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Big difference: With and without backcover!

Hey people, look at these 2 pictures, that I just have taken:
With the backcover on:
http://www.4shared.com/file/53179104/2a29789d/Med_cover.html
And without:
http://www.4shared.com/file/53179169/2c2a3a6/Uden_cover.html
As you can see, there is a big difference. Hmm, why haven't HTC done something to this problem?

Are you sure you were at the same distance?
And what about the focus point? It seems a bit different between the 2 pics.....

flaviopac said:
Are you sure you were at the same distance?
And what about the focus point? It seems a bit different between the 2 pics.....
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Yes I'm very sure about that. I have tried with more pictures.

did you stick a 'lense protector' on the cover's lense screen? like if you stuck on a full body protector like invisibleSHIELD there'll be a piece for the lense cover too.
Or, did you forget to peel off the original one?

happyguy82 said:
did you stick a 'lense protector' on the cover's lense screen? like if you stuck on a full body protector like invisibleSHIELD there'll be a piece for the lense cover too.
Or, did you forget to peel off the original one?
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Haha, no i'm not that stupid Nothing "protection" is on.

the "lens" that is part of the back cover is obviously not optically neutral. Pretty lame if you ask me.

Syphon Filter said:
the "lens" that is part of the back cover is obviously not optically neutral. Pretty lame if you ask me.
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Without the back cover, the Diamond takes decent pictures, still slow on focusing and shutter release(you should see the Samsung F480, this little fellow shoots pictures almost like a normal digital cam) but pretty good for a 3.2 MP cam.
WITH back cover however, the pictures look like crap to me. Sometimes it looks like if the pictures have been taken through light fog and I can clean the lens cover as much as I want(not easy, tiny little bastard), after some time, the lens gets dirty/whatever again. Horrible, HTC definetely needs to find a better solution.

Here some more http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1365731&page=43&pp=15
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remove the small mirorr in a back cover that protect the camera from dust

Aqrab said:
remove the small mirorr in a back cover that protect the camera from dust
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It will "destroy" the backcover? hmm. And when the mirror is gone, dust can easier come into the camera lens?

mooooooa said:
It will "destroy" the backcover? hmm. And when the mirror is gone, dust can easier come into the camera lens?
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look i didnt try it but i think if we remove it the camera quality will increase
the htc p3600 and the touch dual doesnt have mirror for camera

Aqrab said:
look i didnt try it but i think if we remove it the camera quality will increase
the htc p3600 and the touch dual doesnt have mirror for camera
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Yes, of course the quality will increase, when a cheap plastic cover is removed But hmm, my Diamond is 2 days old, and I don't want to already destroy a part of the cover

mooooooa said:
Yes, of course the quality will increase, when a cheap plastic cover is removed But hmm, my Diamond is 2 days old, and I don't want to already destroy a part of the cover
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the problem is man that
when we want to clean the mirror we cant clean it good from the outside
we need to clean it to get better quality

Aqrab said:
the problem is man that
when we want to clean the mirror we cant clean it good from the outside
we need to clean it to get better quality
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But we can't clean the mirror everytime we just wanna take a picture. That's not a good way?

mooooooa said:
But we can't clean the mirror everytime we just wanna take a picture. That's not a good way?
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well ideally you should or you should remember not to put you fingers on the lens (not an easy task given the camera position i know) but lets be fair here, i mean its not as if you would take your stand alone digital camera, smear you greasy hands over the lens all day (+ let dust collect on it) and then expect it to take perfect pics...
be practical, if you remove the case screen for long you are gonna end up with scratches on the actual camera lens! and that's not easily replaceable now is it (not like the back cover...) lol

mooooooa said:
But we can't clean the mirror everytime we just wanna take a picture. That's not a good way?
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yah i know
im jast saying when we want to clean it
remember not to put your fingers on the lens

What we need is a back cover with a piece of glass in place of the piece of plastic which covers the lense.
This seems like the only solution to me.
Its because the plastic isnt very durable, it does mist up the photos. If you look on coolsmartphone.com ive also took some pictures and they looked alot better without the back plastic cover on.
I just hope someone somewhere is reading this as i would pay for a back cover with glass instead of plastic lense cover.
The pictures are alot sharper and arent misty without the cover on.

tomchap said:
What we need is a back cover with a piece of glass in place of the piece of plastic which covers the lense.
This seems like the only solution to me.
Its because the plastic isnt very durable, it does mist up the photos. If you look on coolsmartphone.com ive also took some pictures and they looked alot better without the back plastic cover on.
I just hope someone somewhere is reading this as i would pay for a back cover with glass instead of plastic lense cover.
The pictures are alot sharper and arent misty without the cover on.
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Your right!

white balance
Granted the backcover lens protector doesn't do justice to this phone. Adjusting the white balance does for improvement (say the lighhtbulb mode) I find. Again the camera does let this phone down, compared to others of similar spec. Can a software tweak solve the lag in motion when shooting in video mode at all? Is it as a 'simple' case as that I wonder!?

I just did some test shots with my xda diamond from germany and I honestly cant see a difference. can you tell which one is taken with the cover off?

Modding your Camera Lens

I'd like to say Thank You to everyone in this forum and providing such a great site for us. I am very admire all yours talent that I wish I have, but I don't. I did I a little mod to my Tilt camera lens and it came out good and I'd like to share it with you all. This mod require no drilling to original lens and look oem.
1. A piece of Micro Slice Glass. 20 cents
(used for microscope, you can get it from science store)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2914039158/
2. Knife sharpening stone, fine gain.
3. Glass cutting tool $6
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2914039484/
4. Qtip
5. Double side tape
Instruction:Sorry I don't know how to attach pictures into my post. Have to link it to Flickr. Hope you don't mind.
-To remove the lens, use a Qtip & push the lens out from the back side of the cover, use your figure nail to lift the lens out from the chrome frame.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2913195413/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2914041602/in/photostream/
-Use the lens to mark the size onto the Micro Slice Glass and cutting it with the glass cutting tools, you may need to try a few time to have a straight cut. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2914039158/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2914039484/
-Now you have the piece cut out, here the fun part. use a sharpening stone and work near the sink cause you need to wet the stone during the sanding.
while sanding the new lens, use the original lens to check the shape. I made my a bit bigger then the original so it can be fit in tight without using any glue. Double side tape used just for insurance purposes.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2914080332/
-Here the final product.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2914250782/
-That's it folks, this is the best and the cheapest and the oem look camera lens mod ever. Here some shots I took before and after. Let me know what you think. Pictures are in order, original lens->Moded Lens->no cover.
1.http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2914040902/
2.http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2913194597/
3.http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2914040044/
I will take some picture tomorrow for you to see. Time to sleep.

Those before and after pictures just show what a Mickey Mouse lens cover HTC has provided us with. How about a petition for a new back cover with a glass lens cover?
Top mod, gonna do this one.
BS...

Thanks for the heads up. Amazing how something so simple can improve the clarity of the camera so much.
What is a qtip?
Rob

rfarnell said:
Thanks for the heads up. Amazing how something so simple can improve the clarity of the camera so much.
What is a qtip?
Rob
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The generic name would be a cotton swab.

Without cover is still better, and having done the mod many months ago, the dust problem is overblown.
Surur

Srart-up?
rfarnell said:
Thanks for the heads up. Amazing how something so simple can improve the clarity of the camera so much.
What is a qtip?
Rob
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I don't know how many kaisers are out in the market but a manufacturer in the far-east (due to cost) can make such back cover with integrated fixed lens in the cost of ~$0.10 (go for worst case 1$) each and I'm sure most of us are willing to pay... lets say $15 each ? so here is a win-win opportunity waiting for an entrepreneur.

I did a similar yet cheaper fix.
Pop out the stock lens.
Cut some plastic (used the package some RAM for my pc came in)
Use the double sided tape and place it there. It's not that noticable but the picture quality improves a great amount.

Great mod, just took my back cover off and the picture is much better. I'm going to try just removing the cover altogether.

Lol, this is so much nicer than my ghetto fix! I had just popped out the plastic lens cover (and succeeded in breaking the little chrome-painted piece in the process, of course) and put a little piece of extra screen protector over the actual lens to protect it from the dust and what not.
Gotta' try this!

my lil camera lens cracked so i removed it and it has been off for over a month. i dont really have issues with debris getting under the battery cover. besides, its not hard to remove the back and clean it with my shirt and put it back on

nice, I will have to try this

You really can notice the difference. I just quickly take the back cover off, take a photo and then put it back on. I really notice the difference now. Thanks heaps!!!!

Thanks for the info... from now on, when I want to take a picture, I'll remove the back cover

I was thinking of doing this mod but using glass designed for optics instead of standard glass. A quick web search found http://www.astraproducts.com/i_ptsheet.asp. Are there any photography experts out there who know if this type of glass work any better than standard glass?
Also, if someone (possibly myself) were to bulk purchase pieces of optical glass "pre-machined" to fit as a replacement to the tilt, would there be much interest in purchasing these? I suppose it would all depend on cost and I have no idea what the cost would be, but maybe worth looking into.

This is just my opinion, but I see no point in going through the trouble of modding a phone that was never really meant to be used primarily as a camera.
I think this makes even less sense when you take in to account the fact that it performs really bad in certain conditions.

mata_mosca said:
This is just my opinion, but I see no point in going through the trouble of modding a phone that was never really meant to be used primarily as a camera.
I think this makes even less sense when you take in to account the fact that it performs really bad in certain conditions.
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My reason for the mod is because the lense on my back cover is cracked right down the middle so the camera hardly works at all. Replacement covers run $50-$60 so I'm looking for a less expensive fix. I don't really want to remove the lense entirely because of allowing dust into the case and also the actual camera lense would be exposed and liable to scratch.

No protection for camera lens??

Hello fellow Diamond 2 lovers!
Just after assembling the new toy (T-Mobile MDA Compact V) I realized that there is a nice square hole in the back cover, approx. 6 mm wide. The opening for the 5MP camera lens. Funny thing is, behind the square hole there is.... nothing! I can touch the camera lens directly through the opening of the back cover. Between the lens and the cover remains a gap of approx 3 mm, where the air and loads of dust bunnies can travel in and out at will. Is that intended to be like that?? In contrast to that my Diamond 1 has a nice transparent lens protection inside the back cover to "seal" the opening for the camera. I am a bit puzzled.... is it the same way with your HTC Diamond 2?
Greetings, Studebaker

Ahh, so the MDA Compact V is on sale now too ;-)
On the unbranded Diamond 2 there is also no protection for the Camera lens, although the hole in the cover is smaller and circular rather than the square one on the T-Mobile device, so I guess everything's fine with your device.

The older HTC phones, like the Diamond1, had the lens cover that caused low quality pictures, probably HTC removed the cover to make the camera photoes better. eventhough, the lens still has its own cover. So fdpn't worry.

The lens is just problem #1, problem #2 is the open housing and the dirt that will undoubtly find it's way into the case and accumulate consequently....

HTC makes Different Back-Cover for Touch Daimond2.
Studebaker72 said:
Hello fellow Diamond 2 lovers!
Just after assembling the new toy (T-Mobile MDA Compact V) I realized that there is a nice square hole in the back cover, approx. 6 mm wide. The opening for the 5MP camera lens. Funny thing is, behind the square hole there is.... nothing! I can touch the camera lens directly through the opening of the back cover. Between the lens and the cover remains a gap of approx 3 mm, where the air and loads of dust bunnies can travel in and out at will. Is that intended to be like that?? In contrast to that my Diamond 1 has a nice transparent lens protection inside the back cover to "seal" the opening for the camera. I am a bit puzzled.... is it the same way with your HTC Diamond 2?
Greetings, Studebaker
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It's funny that you have a totally Different back cover from me....
My HTC Touch Diamond2 is extrally the one shown on every web-sites, the back cover is a triangle not square box, but also no protection.... just a round hole. HTC must be sleeping! A plastic cover the hole is a must to prevent dust...

Umm..... I not sure about the camera len cover....
My D2 seem the have len cover attached in front of camera under the back cover (as you can see the len's cover shape from the dust ). for the back cover, it just only hole no cover same as everyone said. but I don't see it will need it on my D2
I also attach the photo of my D2. so you can see it.... maybe D2 have many version?

I actually think the circular hole without a cover and the 3mm or so gap to the lens is very sensible, I'm really pleased with it. You can always take the back off and clean the actual lens cover every week or so.
It's better than a flush cover which a) gets fingerprints all over it and you don't realise till after you've taken a picture and b) gets scratched when you put the phone down on its back.
I think HTC got it right on the D2.

When you lay the note down on it's back...

Does the camera touch the surface? Is the camera and lens cover recessed behind the battery cover?
I want to use the phone caseless, but there's no way I'm gonna let my camera lens get scratched.

Yes if you are using the stock cover, no if you are using the included flip cover.

EarlZ said:
Yes if you are using the stock cover, no if you are using the included flip cover.
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The flip cover isn't always included with the Note (mine wasn't), but is an absolute must in my opinion! I hadn't even noticed that there was a recess on the flip cover, but not on the original back.
Regards,
Dave

Must be a regional thing, in my place its packaged by samsung as part of the purchase.

Well that sucks. Why the heck would Samsung do that? It's not gonna make me buy their flip cover or anything.

Yumunum said:
Well that sucks. Why the heck would Samsung do that? It's not gonna make me buy their flip cover or anything.
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The back for the flip cover is necessarily thicker than the original back cover to allow for the "flip" to connect to it, which is why the camera is recessed whilst in it.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
The back for the flip cover is necessarily thicker than the original back cover to allow for the "flip" to connect to it, which is why the camera is recessed whilst in it.
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Dave
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What confuses me is why Samsung put the camera lens higher than the original back cover in the first place. Could they have not put a lip just around the camera module? *sigh*

Yumunum said:
What confuses me is why Samsung put the camera lens higher than the original back cover in the first place. Could they have not put a lip just around the camera module? *sigh*
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there is a physical limitation to what they can and cant do. if you want the camera recessed, you would need to increase the thickness of the phone. the slimness of the phone is one of the reasons why the phone still fits in most pockets despite its large screen.
by launching the flip cover and the device as separate items, they can still claim the device is slim, and still have the option of a recessed camera.
putting a lip around the camera model increases the device's thickness. cant really recess the camera into the case anymore due to the physical size of the camera unit and the amoled display. since the camera unit in our device partially behind the screen, not too much they can do. whereas with the iphone, the camera is in a corner which is not directly behind the screen, giving them a bit more room to play with.
samsung arent miracle workers. even they can only pack in so much.

Yumunum said:
Well that sucks. Why the heck would Samsung do that? It's not gonna make me buy their flip cover or anything.
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The phone came with the stock cover. Flip cover was included in a separate package for free though. You should see me trying to install it over the stock one. Happy days

P9 rear camera top cover dust

Hi, I have this really disturbing dust inside my p9 rear camera glass. Do I need to remove the whole back cover or is it possible to just take the top cover off? The dust is really annoying since it shows in all of the pics I take. Have no idea how it got there in the first place.

Sipperi said:
Hi, I have this really disturbing dust inside my p9 rear camera glass. Do I need to remove the whole back cover or is it possible to just take the top cover off? The dust is really annoying since it shows in all of the pics I take. Have no idea how it got there in the first place.
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Should be easy : https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Huawei+P9+Rear+Camera+Replacement/78106