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SlimPort - a new kind of magic? I Doubt it.

Hey all,
seeing all the threads about OTG and the difference to MHL, I thought I'd try to clear things up a bit:
Is this just another name for MHL?
No, it's not. MHL and SlimPort do the same, but in different ways. It's not the same and accessories are not compatible. You will need a new adapter, e.g.
Aren't we being 'appled' here?
Just a little, really. SlimPort does have several advantages, such as support for more than just HDMI and the freedom not to connect a power source, if you don't want to. Also it helps make the device as cheap as it is, because while MHL requires fees, SlimPort does not.
Does this device support USB OTG?
No, not yet. It should be possible though. Analogix (the makers of SlimPort) state their product will pass USB OTG signals to a host controller. Is there a host controller? Yes, there is! The N4's CPU includes one Figures it's a matter of support in the kernel, someone will likely get to this in the near future.
Sounds pretty impressive, huh? I'm afraid it isn't. While most manufacturers switched to a 11-pin design, SlimPort still uses 5-pin according to the whitepaper. Now, what does that mean? There's 3 data lines less, usual USB connections are not even possible, says the whitepaper. So it will most likely not be possible to use video output and OTG at the same time.
Most people will not care about this, but it will be a big deal for those - including me - who want to use it as a 'PC replacement'.
Correct me, if I'm wrong, but I did some thorough research and believe I should be right with my statements here.
Regards,
dobbi10k

I'm disappointed with this switch to SlimPort.
1. I just want to get the display of my phone to the TV. So to me MHL and SlimPort do the same thing and it doesn't matter if they do it differently.
2. I feel "Apple'd" big time. Only one company makes these SlimPort adapters that I could find and they charge $30 for it. The MHL adapter I already own can't be used. Argh.
And I kept hearing about how I wouldn't need a power cable and that was suppose to be an advantage to SlimPort. But reading on their website, it sounds like the TV or monitor must support SlimPort too in order for the power over HDMI to work. Standard HDMI ports from the TV to the adapter will still need a separate power source.
I doubt SlimPort will catch on and I know I won't be spending $30 for an adapter that nothing else will probably ever use.
God, I need a freaking Miracast box that will work with my Nexus 4 in the worst way.

I think you pay the fees with the cable rather than possibly paying fees with the phone for a feature you may not want. I think this is why the cable costs more.
I could be wrong though and its just a company profitting because they are currently the only supplier.
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I thought the micro usb sockets only had 5 pins anyway, so where the hell doe the 6 pins come from?
Edit: Galaxy S III has a 11pin port apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link

Ravynmagi said:
And I kept hearing about how I wouldn't need a power cable and that was suppose to be an advantage to SlimPort. But reading on their website, it sounds like the TV or monitor must support SlimPort too in order for the power over HDMI to work. Standard HDMI ports from the TV to the adapter will still need a separate power source.
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No, that was true for MHL, either the screen had to have a power output on the HDMI cable or you had to connect an external power source. SlimPort however makes this unneccessary, you CAN connect an external power source to charge your phone, but you don't have to.
If I already bought an MHL adapter, I would probably feel apple'd too, got you point, though
gbroon said:
I think you pay the fees with the cable rather than possibly paying fees with the phone for a feature you may not want. I think this is why the cable costs more.
I could be wrong though and its just a company profitting because they are currently the only supplier.
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The standard is maintained by VESA and it's completely free. However, the HDMI standard still requires fees, which you pay with the cable. A display port adapter could be made way cheaper. But the latter is true, too. All these adapters could be made cheaper.
tehrules said:
I thought the micro usb sockets only had 5 pins anyway, so where the hell doe the 6 pins come from?
Edit: Galaxy S III has a 11pin port apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link
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Yup, forgot to mention an example, the Note 2 for example has it too,ty. I believe I heard about other manufacturers planning to do similar things...

[Q] problem with mhl-hdmi adaptor

Good afternoon, everybody. I can not find the problem, on the Russian Forums Help is not found. (I am from Moscow). such a problem-acquired mhl-hdmi adapter. connecting entirely in accordance with the instructions is nothing happens. no pop-up window on the connected hdmi no display on the screen. the problem is clearly not in the adapter. I believe that I have something extra frozen / deleted. please if someone knows tell me what process / system file is responsible for displaying the image on the hdmi.thank you all in advance. and please do not delete the question if he is in the wrong section. move to the desired section please.

Make sure you are using 11pin (not 5 pin) adapter. Can you check adapter with another Note 2 to make sure that adapter is ok?
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you can also test the adapter with a Galaxy S3, and probably S4. I don't believe the S4 changed anything in the HML or USB port, so it's very likely the same as GN2 and S3.
Also, if you are using a HML adapter, make sure it has enough power. Not all adapters pulled enough power from the phone, so you will need an external power source. Most just use the USB cable and charger that come with the phone.

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you can also test the adapter with a Galaxy S3, and probably S4. I don't believe the S4 changed anything in the HML or USB port, so it's very likely the same as GN2 and S3.
Also, if you are using a HML adapter, make sure it has enough power. Not all adapters pulled enough power from the phone, so you will need an external power source. Most just use the USB cable and charger that come with the phone.
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unfortunately I have not the opportunity to try something different to what note2 or s3. if I had the chance I would not have asked for help. I just ask somebody to check on his device and see what process start when adapter connect to the phone and tv. sorry for any mistakes

the idea was to confirm that your GN2 wasn't working correct, and it wasn't the adapter. If the adpater worked, then it's the phone. If not, the it may be the adapter.
Depending on your adapter, it's possible there may not be enough power, thus, it's possible the HML isn't registering. I'm assuming you're not using some one directional HDMI cable.
I use an adapter as well. I needed a 5pin to 11pin adapter. I have to use the phone charger to power the adapter. The above video shows the setup and it working.
Maybe you can let someone at the store where you got the phone to test another phone with the adapter or an adapter with your phone. Hopefully they have TV with HDMI to test with. Maybe try an electronics store.

lovekeiiy said:
the idea was to confirm that your GN2 wasn't working correct, and it wasn't the adapter. If the adpater worked, then it's the phone. If not, the it may be the adapter.
Depending on your adapter, it's possible there may not be enough power, thus, it's possible the HML isn't registering. I'm assuming you're not using some one directional HDMI cable.
I use an adapter as well. I needed a 5pin to 11pin adapter. I have to use the phone charger to power the adapter. The above video shows the setup and it working.
Maybe you can let someone at the store where you got the phone to test another phone with the adapter or an adapter with your phone. Hopefully they have TV with HDMI to test with. Maybe try an electronics store.
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Thank you very much. Today decided to move - to unfreeze all applications and restore all avtostarts. We'll see tomorrow at work. The results unsubscribe. By the way today went to the office store Samsung - I have the original cable. It turns out that the case in my phone. Charging and tried to 1A and 1.5A - no way. I really hope that everything will turn out tomorrow. Thanks for the video
By the way your adapter is not like mine. Apparently, in different regions of different designs.

gguitarist88 said:
Thank you very much. Today decided to move - to unfreeze all applications and restore all avtostarts. We'll see tomorrow at work. The results unsubscribe. By the way today went to the office store Samsung - I have the original cable. It turns out that the case in my phone. Charging and tried to 1A and 1.5A - no way. I really hope that everything will turn out tomorrow. Thanks for the video
By the way your adapter is not like mine. Apparently, in different regions of different designs.
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It's don't work It is a pity. Don't know what's next search. What's the problem

the adapter I have is a generic one I got from Monoprice; they're a company that sells cheaper electronic, which is usually made in China. Thus, it is not the official sumsung one.
it looks like you're still in the situation where you don't know if it is your phone or the MHL adapter where the problem lies. I would consider going to an electronics store that sells TVs, phones, video games, and so forth; whatever is the similar to Best Buy in the USA. I don't know the stores that would be in Moscow. Bring your phone and adapter and see if they will let you hook up to one of their TVs. Also, see if they will let you test out another adapter, maybe one that they sell. And maybe they can let you test Samsung Galaxy S3, S4 or Note 2 with your adapter.
I think it may be the easiest way to figure it out based on your don't know anyone locally with any of the Samsung phones list above. There's just too many variables right now to effectively to say one way or the other.

thank you very much for the advice. yesterday went to the official store samsung. asked to check but no one helped me. so I will look for original cable and test all over again. today tried my cable on another galaxy note 2. no reaction. even tried to connect another cable hdmi, the more expensive and high quality. It seems the problem is still in the adapter.
lovekeiiy said:
the adapter I have is a generic one I got from Monoprice; they're a company that sells cheaper electronic, which is usually made in China. Thus, it is not the official sumsung one.
it looks like you're still in the situation where you don't know if it is your phone or the MHL adapter where the problem lies. I would consider going to an electronics store that sells TVs, phones, video games, and so forth; whatever is the similar to Best Buy in the USA. I don't know the stores that would be in Moscow. Bring your phone and adapter and see if they will let you hook up to one of their TVs. Also, see if they will let you test out another adapter, maybe one that they sell. And maybe they can let you test Samsung Galaxy S3, S4 or Note 2 with your adapter.
I think it may be the easiest way to figure it out based on your don't know anyone locally with any of the Samsung phones list above. There's just too many variables right now to effectively to say one way or the other.
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lovekeiiy said:
the adapter I have is a generic one I got from Monoprice; they're a company that sells cheaper electronic, which is usually made in China. Thus, it is not the official sumsung one.
it looks like you're still in the situation where you don't know if it is your phone or the MHL adapter where the problem lies. I would consider going to an electronics store that sells TVs, phones, video games, and so forth; whatever is the similar to Best Buy in the USA. I don't know the stores that would be in Moscow. Bring your phone and adapter and see if they will let you hook up to one of their TVs. Also, see if they will let you test out another adapter, maybe one that they sell. And maybe they can let you test Samsung Galaxy S3, S4 or Note 2 with your adapter.
I think it may be the easiest way to figure it out based on your don't know anyone locally with any of the Samsung phones list above. There's just too many variables right now to effectively to say one way or the other.
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not aware of the USB debugging should be enabled or not? and then perhaps because of this problem?

that should not effect the HDMI/HML. Mine is always enableed, but only triggers when connected to a PC. Most likely, the HML uses more pins than the USB for a PC, which is why it doesn't trigger.

lovekeiiy said:
that should not effect the HDMI/HML. Mine is always enableed, but only triggers when connected to a PC. Most likely, the HML uses more pins than the USB for a PC, which is why it doesn't trigger.
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May be you sell me your own ? :laugh: obviously work. or tell me where you bought?

HTC One M8 MHL cable?

Hey guys Im looking for a good quality USB to HDMI MHL cable, that will work with the M8. Any good suggestions?

naurto75 said:
Hey guys Im looking for a good quality USB to HDMI MHL cable, that will work with the M8. Any good suggestions?
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I order one it should be here soon Ill let you know how it works out.

young0ne said:
I order one it should be here soon Ill let you know how it works out.
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Thanks, mind linking the amazon so I can take a look?

naurto75 said:
Thanks, mind linking the amazon so I can take a look?
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/351000448039?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
this is where i got mines

Did your MHL cable work for the M8?

I have a cheap one I got for my Samsung s3, and it has an adapter that goes between the phone and the cable and if I don't use that adapter it works fine. I think the Samsung interface has a switched wire that's why it needs it. So not all cables are the same but if the universal one had a removable adapter it will probably work.
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How did you guys got it to work? I bought two different MHL 5pin adapters and none worked. The MHL symbol does appear on the phone but there is no image on the TV. I dont undestand and I am getting desperate, does someone has any tips?
Cheers

A "cheap" MHL cable will probably be MHL 1.0, which won't support 1080p (1080i @ 30Hz max rather than the 1080p @ 60Hz that MHL 2.0 supports)
Most MHL cables are also designed for use with recent Samsung devices, which use a proprietary MHL implementation, which is NOT compatible with non-Samsung devices.
The MHL "standard" is almost totally useless, mostly thanks to Samsung creating this confusion, plus the fact that almost no-one ever categorically states what version of the format (1.0, 2.0 and now 3.0) their devices are.
The new Sony devices support MHL 3.0, if they use a standard implementation then their adapters might be the way to go, assuming they eventually turn up and don't cost an arm and a leg.

Anyone with T-Mobile firmware can please confirm if MHL works?

USB 3 to Gigabit Ethernet

Anyone know if any of these adapters work through the dock?
Was thinking of getting this as it does mention Android but that's not very specific or doesn't really mean much
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=103&cp_id=10314&cs_id=1031403&p_id=11195&seq=1&format=2

Sleeepy2 said:
Anyone know if any of these adapters work through the dock?
Was thinking of getting this as it does mention Android but that's not very specific or doesn't really mean much
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=103&cp_id=10314&cs_id=1031403&p_id=11195&seq=1&format=2
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http://www.amazon.com/BobjGear-Ethernet-Ultrabooks-ChromeOS-Included/dp/B007RTACDM?tag=twnene-20
did some googling to see if it was possible, and this one will work. first review said you can use it through settings without an app. The one you posted should work the same way.

Thanks for the reply, that was my thought so I ordered it anyway.
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In case anyone was wondering, this just got delivered.
I plugged it into the Dock and right away in the notification it says Ethernet port is detected. I plugged in a cable and it works right away.
Now I can get internet in our crappy other offices.
Very happy especially for $15.

Sleeepy2 said:
In case anyone was wondering, this just got delivered.
I plugged it into the Dock and right away in the notification it says Ethernet port is detected. I plugged in a cable and it works right away.
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Is this the adapter from Monoprice, or the one from Amazon?
EDIT: Actually, I just noticed that the one on Amazon is 100M rather than 1G ethernet, so I assume you went with Monoprice.

elborak said:
Is this the adapter from Monoprice, or the one from Amazon?
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Monoprice
Only $15

You need to stick to something with the AX88772 chipset. The AX88178 might work - mixed danswers around the web on that one. Definately don't get anything with the SMSC LAN7500 chipset either. Stay far away from the AX88179. I bought a StarTech with that chipset and it did not work in any Android device I have.
Finally I bought the one Asus makes one for $19.99 on Amazon - has the AX88772 and works just fine (the Asus connect dock for the TF201/300/700's has that chip in it too so I knew it would work - took mine apart to find out what was in it).

Sleeepy2 - Is that adapter USB 2.0 or USB 3.0 ?
The reason that I asked - on monoprice.com written USB 3.0 and the the color of socket - really blue.
But on ebay from the same seller USB 2.0. From Amazon - BobjGear-Ethernet - USB 2.0
Cadstar - Same things, I bought from Gigabit usb 3.0 - chipset AX88179 - working with Win 7..8 and linux , but not android and Asus tf701

Not really sure, any idea how I can check?

1. The type A connection (the "standard" USB connection that plugs into your computer), should be blue, like: media.bestofmicro.com/USB3-SuperSpeed-external-storage,4-B-252875-13.jpg
2. Speed. You really can feel it if you copy few giga via cable.

Well it is blue and it seems fast. The sticker on it also says USB 3 so I will go with yes it is

Thanks, I intend to buy.

Maybe someone will be useful.
My old Trendnet TU2-ET100 h/w: 3.0 (AX88772 chipset) works great in our device!
Speed ​​Ethernet even slightly higher than over WiFi

HDMI MHL

Good morning, mhl Clable know of any, other than the original sony functioning ??
Thank you

Yeah I would like to know this as well ? I'm struggling to find MHL cables that are announced as 3.0 ones. Most of the time, they don't specify anything.
Any way to be sure to get a compatible 3.0 cable ?

I bought a cheap one on ebay
1080P-Micro-USB-MHL-to-HDMI-HDTV-CABLE-ADAPTER-For-HTC-One-M8-LG-Sony-Xperia-Z1item27e2c0cb36
cost me a fiver (GBP) and works with my Z1 Compact and my Z2 Tablet.
plugs into my older Panasonic (non-smart) HD TV.
You have to power it with micro-usb, tho'
DannyBiker said:
Yeah I would like to know this as well ? I'm struggling to find MHL cables that are announced as 3.0 ones. Most of the time, they don't specify anything.
Any way to be sure to get a compatible 3.0 cable ?
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