Tripping Knox for root? - AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5

I constantly hear that the reason an exploit is tough to find is because people don't want to set off the Knox. If Knox is tripped, would the phone still work? I'm sure I'm not the only one who is fine with voiding warranty if it means we can get rid of all this bloatware
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abraxo said:
I constantly hear that the reason an exploit is tough to find is because people don't want to set off the Knox. If Knox is tripped, would the phone still work? I'm sure I'm not the only one who is fine with voiding warranty if it means we can get rid of all this bloatware
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You have been mis informed. An exploit has not been found at all. If it is, Knox will more than likely be tripped.
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abraxo said:
I constantly hear that the reason an exploit is tough to find is because people don't want to set off the Knox. If Knox is tripped, would the phone still work? I'm sure I'm not the only one who is fine with voiding warranty if it means we can get rid of all this bloatware
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If you "trip" knox in the sense that you're talking about, by flashing anything that isn't the official att firmware, your phone won't boot. (bootloader lock)
I believe there's a counter that gets tripped when you successfully flash a custom rom so samsung can tell if your warranty is void or not, this isn't what the issue with finding root is however, it's the first part.
Also, the reason why it's so difficult to find an exploit is because att/verizon pay samsung and samsung pays various other parties, likely a lot more than $12,000 (the bounty), to ensure that said exploits are not found and that the device will remain locked.
I don't know why att doesn't offer an unlock service for like 100$ they would make an absolute killing.

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Why don't people care about tripping knox anymore?

I remember back when I had the note 3 (on ATT if that matters), most of the people on XDA would try their hardest not to trip knox, but now that I'm on the note 4, I don't see any posts about it or anything like that. Why is that?
Cause I heard the chainfire auto root trips knox, which is why I'm asking.
pham818 said:
I remember back when I had the note 3 (on ATT if that matters), most of the people on XDA would try their hardest not to trip knox, but now that I'm on the note 4, I don't see any posts about it or anything like that. Why is that?
Cause I heard the chainfire auto root trips knox!
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Probably because there isn't a way to root without tripping it, so people are just accepting.
pham818 said:
I remember back when I had the note 3 (on ATT if that matters), most of the people on XDA would try their hardest not to trip knox, but now that I'm on the note 4, I don't see any posts about it or anything like that. Why is that?
Cause I heard the chainfire auto root trips knox, which is why I'm asking.
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Most people could care less about KNOX they just care to have Samsung service center fix their phones if something were to break they want to get a new phone or have samy fix it they don't want to run the risk of it being returned dud to tripping KNOX. Most people are willing to take a chance on tripping it because they know what to do with root noobs tend to wait for the safe method
Since Knox was introduce I have returned 6 Knox tripped phones without any mention to Knox being tripped by T-Mobile or Assurant. I have never dealt with Samsung directly though, nor do I ever think I will. I use to worry, but as time has passed with no repercussions for tripping Knox, I no longer even think about it.
I deal with tmobile I usually unroot return to stock and send back never a problem.Knox can go to hell for all I care
Your Warranty is Not Void: http://youtu.be/9YcIHaajda8
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Hey when I turned in my g3 it was still rooted and running a custom ROM . when I turned in my note 3 it was still rooted and still running a custom ROM
T-Mobile do sent care as long as its in full working condition
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Hey when I turned in my g3 it was still rooted and running a custom ROM . when I turned in my note 3 it was still rooted and still running a custom ROM
T-Mobile do sent care as long as its in full working condition
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but you have to have tmobile premium handset protection or jump program for tmobile right ? or else you'll have to stuck with samsung warranty service
The people have spoken trip your KNOX already what's the worst that can happen you take it to your carrier and they give you a brand new/refurbished one or fix your phone. I have always rooted don't really know what KNOX is and I don't own a business so I don't care. I will continue to root my devices and enjoy the darkside :angel: with my XDA family
I never gave 2 craps about knox. I need root.
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Uniquebarbee said:
The people have spoken trip your KNOX already what's the worst that can happen you take it to your carrier and they give you a brand new/refurbished one or fix your phone. I have always rooted don't really know what KNOX is and I don't own a business so I don't care. I will continue to root my devices and enjoy the darkside :angel: with my XDA family
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yeah i was just wondering. just rooted my phone a few hours ago!
Colnart said:
but you have to have tmobile premium handset protection or jump program for tmobile right ? or else you'll have to stuck with samsung warranty service
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Yea i have jump but I have a buddy that doesn't and turned in his note 3 rooted and Knox tripped no worries they took it
pham818 said:
I remember back when I had the note 3 (on ATT if that matters), most of the people on XDA would try their hardest not to trip knox, but now that I'm on the note 4, I don't see any posts about it or anything like that. Why is that?
Cause I heard the chainfire auto root trips knox, which is why I'm asking.
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Most people with the Tmobile Note 4 have handset protection and tripping knox dont affect that at all . Long story short TMOBILE DEOSNT CARE . 99% of the time you dont have to send a phone to Samsung for warranty repair Tmo will just swap it out . I have had multiple phones with tripped warranties that were exchanged by Tmo and the Rep says they just reflash them anyway . The $8 a month it costs for handset protection is well worth it especially if you want to toy around with your device .
Colnart said:
but you have to have tmobile premium handset protection or jump program for tmobile right ? or else you'll have to stuck with samsung warranty service
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Correct
randpost said:
Since Knox was introduce I have returned 6 Knox tripped phones without any mention to Knox being tripped by T-Mobile or Assurant. I have never dealt with Samsung directly though, nor do I ever think I will. I use to worry, but as time has passed with no repercussions for tripping Knox, I no longer even think about it.
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ya.. thats how i look at it .. now my outlook would be different if i had to deal with sammy directly :angel:
Colnart said:
but you have to have tmobile premium handset protection or jump program for tmobile right ? or else you'll have to stuck with samsung warranty service
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raw2000j said:
Correct
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Not true, at least technically. Even if you don't have handset protection or jump program, if your phone is still under warranty you can utilize T-Mobile replacement phone program where tmobile will send you a replacement phone first, then you send your phone to tmobile. Tmobile will send the phone back to the manufacturer for you. Tmobile will also check if the phone is defective and eligible for the warranty. If it is, then your replacement phone will be free minus $20 service charge. If it's not, then you will be charged for the replacement phone.
9/10 you will run into someone that checks for knox/root/any kind of tampering when you return a phone.
Knox is only affected when you return it to a Samsung Service center. They check for that, and if it is flagged they will return your device. Going into a T-Mobile store they don't know anything about knox let alone root.
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but you have to have tmobile premium handset protection or jump program for tmobile right ? or else you'll have to stuck with samsung warranty service
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Nope. I returned a Knox-tripped Note 3 to T-Mobile with their standard warranty (had to pay $20) and had no problems. They really do not care about Knox at all.
You will only have a problem if you personally send the phone directly to Samsung for repair.
What about reselling your phone later? Aren't most users (not us) weary of buying rooted or Knox tripped phones? This is one reason I try not to trip my phone as I feel I will get more buyers interested if my phone was stock.
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raw2000j said:
I deal with tmobile I usually unroot return to stock and send back never a problem.Knox can go to hell for all I care
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Agreed. That's what I love about T-Mobile. Or one of the things. With JUMP! program I can upgrade to the newest device and have insurance included. No problems yet.

What's tmobile take on root and bootloader?

Last time I owned a Samsung, I had vzw as my carrier. I swore to never own a Samsung again.
However after reading these posts, am I right to assume that tmobile doesn't lock the bootloader or that it's easier to unlock? I've seen several posts on root too?
Sorry for the questions, I just know all the horror stories about the S5 and vzw.
I've had T-Mobile for the longest time. At this time they have yet to lock our bootloaders. As for the unlocking of the phone, we have been having issues even with people buying the phone outright. T-Mobile wants you to be a customer for at least 40 days before unlocking the device, if I'm not mistaken. As for turning in a rooted phone or a device with custom software on it. They don't care as long as the device is not physically damaged. When I upgraded from my s4 to my s5 I had cm installed. I booted up the phone right in front of the rep and he said "whoa that's cool" after he saw the custom boot animation and took my phone and gave me my s5. If you have insurance on your phone you can send in the bricked phone and get one in return. Of course after paying the nearly 200 dollar deductible. I've never had to return a phone for being defective. But from what I have read about other people's experiences. Is that T-Mobile reps don't even check or care to check to see if Knox has been tripped. Hopefully this answers some of your questions.
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MacTheRipperr said:
I've had T-Mobile for the longest time. At this time they have yet to lock our bootloaders. As for the unlocking of the phone, we have been having issues even with people buying the phone outright. T-Mobile wants you to be a customer for at least 40 days before unlocking the device, if I'm not mistaken. As for turning in a rooted phone or a device with custom software on it. They don't care as long as the device is not physically damaged. When I upgraded from my s4 to my s5 I had cm installed. I booted up the phone right in front of the rep and he said "whoa that's cool" after he saw the custom boot animation and took my phone and gave me my s5. If you have insurance on your phone you can send in the bricked phone and get one in return. Of course after paying the nearly 200 dollar deductible. I've never had to return a phone for being defective. But from what I have read about other people's experiences. Is that T-Mobile reps don't even check or care to check to see if Knox has been tripped. Hopefully this answers some of your questions.
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Thanks for the response. So as of right now, the bootloader is still locked and since it's a Samsung, chances are, it will stay that way. But there is root already available for the S6?
My last few Tmobile phones have been the Nexus 5, M9, and LG G3, so all of them I have been able to unlock the bootloader. But I am seriously considering the S6 as my next phone.
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Easiest way to root the S6 is using Ping Pong root. This apk does not trip the Knox counter. Thus not voiding tour warranty, however if you install a custom recovery this will trip the Knox counter. Search for Ping Ping root in the S6 forums.
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grneyez said:
Easiest way to root the S6 is using Ping Pong root. This apk does not trip the Knox counter. Thus not voiding tour warranty, however if you install a custom recovery this will trip the Knox counter. Search for Ping Ping root in the S6 forums.
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This is great info... Thanks !!!
Your very welcome.
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Any Downside To Unlocking BL?

I've read concerns about unlocking the bootloader on the 815 variant potentially voiding warranty. I think it was Autoprime but I remember one of the devs in the Simple Root thread saying the T-Mobile BL isn't locked or unlocked once rooted... basically it is open for lack of a better term. Can one interpret that as meaning we have the benefit of an unlocked BL without the warranty concerns? Does that mean we can go back to stock and they'd never knowing the phone was rooted provided the T-Mobile app asking for root was disabled prior to actually rooting? I've searched quite a bit but not seen a definitive answer specifically for the 811h variant. Thanks in advance.
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There is no way to lock or unlock the bootloader on the H811. It's a "special" or "odd" bootloader in that it is only ever open. Since it cannot be unlocked, there is no downside to your phone being in its normal state, however odd its normal state might be.
As far as root goes, T-Mobile is using it as an excuse to say "well you shouldn't have rooted" when you're having software issues, so they can tell you to factory reset instead of troubleshooting. If your phone dies or something, they would have to prove that root was the cause in order to deny a warranty claim. Considering how much T-Mobile is enjoying being the favorite carrier in the spotlight, I doubt they would risk a media storm by telling you that you're warranty is void and they won't repair something unless you did something dumb and root access was the cause. It's more of a safety net for them than something they are going to pursue. Either way, freezing/removing the T-Mobile app and denying SU is a great thing to do.
I went ahead and did it. Super easy process. Thanks for the advice!
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cajunflavoredbob said:
There is no way to lock or unlock the bootloader on the H811. It's a "special" or "odd" bootloader in that it is only ever open. Since it cannot be unlocked, there is no downside to your phone being in its normal state, however odd its normal state might be.
As far as root goes, T-Mobile is using it as an excuse to say "well you shouldn't have rooted" when you're having software issues, so they can tell you to factory reset instead of troubleshooting. If your phone dies or something, they would have to prove that root was the cause in order to deny a warranty claim. Considering how much T-Mobile is enjoying being the favorite carrier in the spotlight, I doubt they would risk a media storm by telling you that you're warranty is void and they won't repair something unless you did something dumb and root access was the cause. It's more of a safety net for them than something they are going to pursue. Either way, freezing/removing the T-Mobile app and denying SU is a great thing to do.
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Pro tip for everyone reading you can just call them and play dumb like you don't know what happened, you just woke up and turned it on like that and they will warranty it no problem, and, In fact there is a very real possibility that if you are on XDA you may e more tech savvy than the person you are talking too.
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I've never used an LG phone besides my nexus5, but if the bootloader is unlocked. Then why can't we just flash twrp through adb and then flash superSU?
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mawells787 said:
I've never used an LG phone besides my nexus5, but if the bootloader is unlocked. Then why can't we just flash twrp through adb and then flash superSU?
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The T-Mobile bootloader cannot be unlocked, nor can it be locked. It is special. We are able to disable security, but we are not able to unlock the bootloader like the European model. Basically, this is the best it's going to get unless there's a bootloader update that fixes this. If that happens, we would then need to be allowed to unlock the bootloader through LG in order to get fastboot actions.
If you've ever used an HTC device, think of it as S-Off without BL unlock. It's weird, but it works.

About Samsung Pay Access denied....

When I bought this phone I knew that my carrier flashed my phone with their company name on the splash screen
I didn't think nothing of it and just factory reset and got rid of the custom recovery they put it. I just wanted to run the phone stock. I'm no longer interested in custom roms..
6 months later, that's now and got an update and Samsung Pay is denied and realized they tripped the Knox. I honestly don't really care for Samsung Pay but it feels like my phone was violated without my consent. Can I complain about this and get a refund or exchange?
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You're asking the wrong people. Ask them. I don't know who your carrier is but if they caused knox to trip then I would think they would replace it.
Yeah, who is your carrier? I'm sure it's not T-mobile...

Root without loosing warranty or OTA

I don't know if that question is posted before
Is there any way to root Note 5 N920 C on 5.1.1 without losing warranty and still be able to receive OTA updates?
Thanks
No there isn't and yes it has been asked many times!!
Actually, it's not quite as simple as your warranty being void. The Knox flag will be triggered which means you won't be able to use secure like Samsung pay. It doesn't necessarily mean that your warrantee won't be honoured by Samsung. But they probably won't honour it
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