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[Q] Unlocked Tmobile Moto X: Use on any US GSM/CDMA network?

Wondering if the unlocked Tmobile Moto X will work on either CDMA carrier in the US (VZW, Sprint, or any of their off-contract small spin off carriers)?
I've read that people have gotten the VZW Moto X to work on T Mobile GSM, but haven't heard definitively whether the Tmobile version will work with Sprint or Straight Talk?
I'd like to buy an off contract version of the X and be able to use it on T Mobile, ATT, Straight Talk or Sprint towers in the USA. I'm currently with Sprint but am tired of them locking devices to their network not allowing you to use your device elsewhere. Was going to switch to Tmobile and have them pay my ETF so I'm contract free. Coverage is spotty sometimes in rural areas between carriers, so if after doing this Tmobile coverage sucks if I can use it with Straight Talk (which uses ATT towers I believe) then I would have better coverage from the same device. An added plus would be if it works on Sprint too, cuz then I could buy the Tmobile unlocked version now and use it on Sprint, then switch to Tmobile later on instead of having to do both at once.

bobby2478 said:
Wondering if the unlocked Tmobile Moto X will work on either CDMA carrier in the US (VZW, Sprint, or any of their off-contract small spin off carriers)?
I've read that people have gotten the VZW Moto X to work on T Mobile GSM, but haven't heard definitively whether the Tmobile version will work with Sprint or Straight Talk?
I'd like to buy an off contract version of the X and be able to use it on T Mobile, ATT, Straight Talk or Sprint towers in the USA. I'm currently with Sprint but am tired of them locking devices to their network not allowing you to use your device elsewhere. Was going to switch to Tmobile and have them pay my ETF so I'm contract free. Coverage is spotty sometimes in rural areas between carriers, so if after doing this Tmobile coverage sucks if I can use it with Straight Talk (which uses ATT towers I believe) then I would have better coverage from the same device. An added plus would be if it works on Sprint too, cuz then I could buy the Tmobile unlocked version now and use it on Sprint, then switch to Tmobile later on instead of having to do both at once.
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Are you on a sprint family plan? If so, do they have a lower rate plan for tablets, or something of the sort?

justinisloco said:
Are you on a sprint family plan? If so, do they have a lower rate plan for tablets, or something of the sort?
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Yes and yes, they just switched me to their "Framily" plan. My frustration with Sprint honestly is around their current network rollout as I started getting dropped calls and network issues all the time now when I never did before. Their LTE rollout is such a mess, and it will take years to resolve. And ever since the 4.2 update for my GS4 it's been behaving like crap (poor battery life, dropped Wifi, weather apps not working, etc). So was looking at selling it outright and I like the Moto X.
Also my brother who is on my plan lives in a small town and wants to eventually switch to Straight Talk from Sprint. So ideal is a device that will work on Tmobile, Straight Talk and Sprint. That way he could switch to the device now while on Sprint, and if he wants to leave for Straight Talk he can first go to Tmobile to pay off the ETF then after a few months he could switch to Straight Talk. I think in his area Tmobile coverage is very spotty, so if it doesn't work out he can at least switch to Straight Talk, which I believe uses ATT towers so likely much better GSM coverage than Tmobile).

bobby2478 said:
Wondering if the unlocked Tmobile Moto X will work on either CDMA carrier in the US (VZW, Sprint, or any of their off-contract small spin off carriers)?
I've read that people have gotten the VZW Moto X to work on T Mobile GSM, but haven't heard definitively whether the Tmobile version will work with Sprint or Straight Talk?.
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That is because you can't.
The Verizon uses CDMA/1xRtt/EVDO for Voice and 2G/3G data, and includes GSM/HSPA radio for "global' use. Due to FCC rules around the 700mhz spectrum Verizon won and is using, their LTE devices have been SIM unlocked. So, you can take a GSM SIM, pop-it into the VZW X, set the X for Global mode, or GSM/UMTS mode, and work on a GSM Carrier (like ATT or T-Mobile) network.
While the Sprint version might include GSM radios for global roaming, its not SIM Unlocked, so you are stuck with a Sprint SIM being the only ones that work in the phone.
And finally, the GSM Moto X lack CDMA radio, so you can't get them working on a CDMA carrier.

KidJoe said:
That is because you can't.
The Verizon uses CDMA/1xRtt/EVDO for Voice and 2G/3G data, and includes GSM/HSPA radio for "global' use. Due to FCC rules around the 700mhz spectrum Verizon won and is using, their LTE devices have been SIM unlocked. So, you can take a GSM SIM, pop-it into the VZW X, set the X for Global mode, or GSM/UMTS mode, and work on a GSM Carrier (like ATT or T-Mobile) network.
While the Sprint version might include GSM radios for global roaming, its not SIM Unlocked, so you are stuck with a Sprint SIM being the only ones that work in the phone.
And finally, the GSM Moto X lack CDMA radio, so you can't get them working on a CDMA carrier.
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Thanks, that helps. So the GSM Moto X (whether ATT or Tmobile) don't have CDMA radio, and thus impossible to work with Sprint or Verizon. Where Verizon has both CDMA and GSM, and should work on VZW, ATT, Tmobile and Straight Talk. Meaning any Sprint Moto X is 100% locked to their network in the USA, and it isn't possible to unlock the SIM to use it on a GSM carrer?
If so, that further makes my decision to leave Sprint at some point easier given there are options for sufficient GSM coverage between Tmobile and Straight Talk. What radios does the Tmobile Moto X have that the VZW X does not?

bobby2478 said:
Thanks, that helps. So the GSM Moto X (whether ATT or Tmobile) don't have CDMA radio, and thus impossible to work with Sprint or Verizon. Where Verizon has both CDMA and GSM, and should work on VZW, ATT, Tmobile and Straight Talk. Meaning any Sprint Moto X is 100% locked to their network in the USA, and it isn't possible to unlock the SIM to use it on a GSM carrer?
If so, that further makes my decision to leave Sprint at some point easier given there are options for sufficient GSM coverage between Tmobile and Straight Talk. What radios does the Tmobile Moto X have that the VZW X does not?
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The reason why I asked about the family plan thing is because I did this to get out of etf with Verizon and keep my number.
-Port out of VZW to Google Voice
-Within 24 hours, changed phone number on VZW
-Ported out from Google Voice to ATT
-Swapped my line with a tablet on VZW, thus paying 10 a month for 20 remaining months rather than $310+tax cancelation fee.
-Simply try now to give someone else a AOL on my VZW now if they choose
This may work for Sprint as well, but I'm unfamiliar with them
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The other thing I may need to consider is the Nexus 5, as the unlocked version from Google Play can be activated and used on Sprint, ATT and Tmobile networks as it has all radios in it. You can also take it with you to any of those 3 carriers, the only one it won't work on is Verizon.
Main thing I liked about the Moto X was the customization of colors, as well as the Touchless control and Active Notifications. Although I'm reading now that there are apps in Play that bring both of those to the Nexus 5 also. So I need to do some more research. If the Nexus 5 can have all the features of the Moto X, minus the customization, then I'll likely be willing to sacrifice customization for the sake of interoperability between carriers. Plus, the X doesn't have wireless charging while the Nexus 5 does.

Is it possible to have the Sprint Moto X unlocked for use on T-mobile? I can't seem to find any sites offering such a service.

bobby2478 said:
Thanks, that helps. So the GSM Moto X (whether ATT or Tmobile) don't have CDMA radio, and thus impossible to work with Sprint or Verizon. Where Verizon has both CDMA and GSM, and should work on VZW, ATT, Tmobile and Straight Talk. Meaning any Sprint Moto X is 100% locked to their network in the USA, and it isn't possible to unlock the SIM to use it on a GSM carrer?
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Pretty much, so long as Straight Talk uses ATT or T-Mobile towers.
To make things clearer, let me quote something I posted in another thread..see -> THIS POST
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....Because Verizon's 4G LTE phones are "global" they support the same GSM/GPRS/Edge bands (850/900/1800/1900 MHz) as ATT and T-Mobile for voice and data so they can be used globally on GSM carrier networks. Another little plus is that due to the FCC rules around their 700Mhz spectrum, they are SIM unlocked, so they happen to work with ATT and T-Mobile sim inserted. Since ATT uses the same bands for HSPA and HSPA+ as they do for EDGE, you can get HSPA speeds. In areas where T-Mobile's "network modernization" has refarmed their 1900Mhz edge to HSPA, you'll get HSPA speeds. In Tmobile areas that HSPA is still over AWS, you'll fall back to Edge when trying Verizon branded devices....
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Sorry, I didn't mention that ATT's HSPA also uses 2100 Mhz, but the VZW X also supports that, so you can get ATT HSPA on the VZW X.
Two other important things to keep in mind... LTE, and APNs.
The LTE bands used/supported by the wireless carriers differ. So while the VZW X supports LTE, it only supports Band 4 and 13, if the carrier you intend to use doesn't use one of those bands where you go, you wont get LTE.
When it comes to APNs, or Access Point Names, these are critical for proper data settings, MMS usage, texting, etc. Set incorrectly and your phone wont work right. In another thread, I explained how when I first got my VZW Moto X Developer Edition, and it had 4.2.2, putting my T-Mobile USA SIM in, resulted in the T-Mo APN being received automatically, and everything working. However, with 4.4 on my X, the APN isn't properly received and I have to manually enter, and MMS doesn't work. See my posts in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594302
bobby2478 said:
If so, that further makes my decision to leave Sprint at some point easier given there are options for sufficient GSM coverage between Tmobile and Straight Talk. What radios does the Tmobile Moto X have that the VZW X does not?
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In addition to the GSM bands the VZW X supports, the T-Mobile X, (as well as the GSM Developer Edition as they are the same phone), supports HSPA on AWS (1700/2100) which the VZW X doesn't have. Why is this important? When T-Mo started their HSPA/HSPA+ 3G/4G built out, they used AWS 1700/2100 spectrum for it. In 2013, T-Mobile started their "Network Modernization" plan underwich they are coverting (or refarming) their 1900 Mhz from usage for EDGE to HSPA/HSPA+. So as mentioned above, where T-Mobile still has their HSPA/HSPA+ on the AWS (1700/2100) bands the T-Mo X will get and fully utilize HSPA/HSPA+, and the Verizon X will fall back to Edge. However, in areas they have refarmed their 1900mhz spectrum from EDGE to HSPA (aka "network modernization"), you'll get HSPA/HSPA+ with the Verizon X.
The T-Mo X also supports LTE bands 2 and 17, in addition to Band 4 that the verizon X also supports. So as you can imagine, if T-Mobile is using Band 2 or 17 for LTE where you are, the VZW X wont be able to use it. If TMobile is using band 4 for LTE in your area, the VZW X will be fine.
When it comes to the ATT GSM vs T-Mobile GSM band differences... It comes down to... Like the VZW X, the ATT X lacks HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS. And the LTE bands supported are slightly different. It was posted in another thread that the T-mobile (and thus GSM Developer Edition) X is missing two LTE bands when compared to the ATT X, however it was said that the two missing bands are not used in the USA.
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Rayz321 said:
Is it possible to have the Sprint Moto X unlocked for use on T-mobile? I can't seem to find any sites offering such a service.
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From the posts I've seen around the net. No one except Sprint can SIM Unlock the Sprint Moto X. To do so, your X must be currently active on Sprint.
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!UPDATE! 1/31/2014...
I do need to add something based experiences yesterday when I put my T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Moto X developer edition (Kit Kat rom) again.
With the T-Mobile SIM inserted, and the phone reporting LTE, trying to make a phone call fails, service is briefly lost (4GLTE/3G indicator next to the bars goes out), Forcing the phone to LTE/GSM/UMTS doesn't help. Using an app like LTE OnOFF to go into the service menu and force the phone to either LTE/GSM auto (PRL) or LTE Only does not help, and the phone reverts back to LTE/GSM/CDMA auto (PRL)
There is a bug posted in another thread about not being able to use simultaneous voice/data while LTE on T-Mobile. I do not know the details on it, but its possible this is exactly what I'm seeing. Its posted in another thread that I don't have the link to right this second. Thread link -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2578665 just start reading around post 13 and 14... The work around was to force the phone to HSPA.
It was suggested to me by CellZealot to change the build.prop line of LteOnCdmaDevice to LteOnGsmDevice I have NOT tried this yet. I haven't had time, and VZW is my primary carrier, so I'd need to make the edit to test, then undo it to switch back to "normal" use. There may be other settings in there which need edited to be used in "pure GSM mode"
Also, I found that ATT also might be using LTE Band 4 in some areas, but I do not have a map showing which band LTE is used where, so while the VZW X may get ATT LTE in some areas, it wont pick it up everywhere. Also, I'm not sure how much Band 4 LTE ATT might have left due to the spectrum swap ATT did with T-Mobile as a result of the failed take over attempt. I have not had a chance to try an ATT Sim in my VZW X.

KidJoe said:
Pretty much, so long as Straight Talk uses ATT or T-Mobile towers.
To make things clearer, let me quote something I posted in another thread..see -> THIS POST
Sorry, I didn't mention that ATT's HSPA also uses 2100 Mhz, but the VZW X also supports that, so you can get ATT HSPA on the VZW X.
Two other important things to keep in mind... LTE, and APNs.
The LTE bands used/supported by the wireless carriers differ. So while the VZW X supports LTE, it only supports Band 4 and 13, if the carrier you intend to use doesn't use one of those bands where you go, you wont get LTE.
When it comes to APNs, or Access Point Names, these are critical for proper data settings, MMS usage, texting, etc. Set incorrectly and your phone wont work right. In another thread, I explained how when I first got my VZW Moto X Developer Edition, and it had 4.2.2, putting my T-Mobile USA SIM in, resulted in the T-Mo APN being received automatically, and everything working. However, with 4.4 on my X, the APN isn't properly received and I have to manually enter, and MMS doesn't work. See my posts in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594302
In addition to the GSM bands the VZW X supports, the T-Mobile X, (as well as the GSM Developer Edition as they are the same phone), supports HSPA on AWS (1700/2100) which the VZW X doesn't have. Why is this important? When T-Mo started their HSPA/HSPA+ 3G/4G built out, they used AWS 1700/2100 spectrum for it. In 2013, T-Mobile started their "Network Modernization" plan underwich they are coverting (or refarming) their 1900 Mhz from usage for EDGE to HSPA/HSPA+. So as mentioned above, where T-Mobile still has their HSPA/HSPA+ on the AWS (1700/2100) bands the T-Mo X will get and fully utilize HSPA/HSPA+, and the Verizon X will fall back to Edge. However, in areas they have refarmed their 1900mhz spectrum from EDGE to HSPA (aka "network modernization"), you'll get HSPA/HSPA+ with the Verizon X.
The T-Mo X also supports LTE bands 2 and 17, in addition to Band 4 that the verizon X also supports. So as you can imagine, if T-Mobile is using Band 2 or 17 for LTE where you are, the VZW X wont be able to use it. If TMobile is using band 4 for LTE in your area, the VZW X will be fine.
When it comes to the ATT GSM vs T-Mobile GSM band differences... It comes down to... Like the VZW X, the ATT X lacks HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS. And the LTE bands supported are slightly different. It was posted in another thread that the T-mobile (and thus GSM Developer Edition) X is missing two LTE bands when compared to the ATT X, however it was said that the two missing bands are not used in the USA.
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From the posts I've seen around the net. No one except Sprint can SIM Unlock the Sprint Moto X. To do so, your X must be currently active on Sprint.
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Best post I've seen so far on my latest obsession, getting the VZW Moto X Dev Ed to work on ATT LTE. By unlocking the VZW phone's bootloader, flashing the phone's modem ( and I know there will be more to it than that ) with ATT modem, is there _any_ chance other LTE bands could be made available?

Axilarry said:
Best post I've seen so far on my latest obsession, getting the VZW Moto X Dev Ed to work on ATT LTE. By unlocking the VZW phone's bootloader, flashing the phone's modem ( and I know there will be more to it than that ) with ATT modem, is there _any_ chance other LTE bands could be made available?
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I might be brave enough to try it since I'm too lazy to sell my old backup of a GNex. HOWEVER the only SIM I have access to that isn't VZ is TMo. Since TMo only has band 4 here, I already know I can get their LTE. If I flash a full TMo image and the 1700/2100 H+ service starts popping up when it reverted to EDGE on Verizon radios, we may be onto something.
I HIGHLY doubt these devices are physically identical and firmware is all that separates the SKUs, but the Nexus 4 showed us that it doesn't always have to be FCC certified to be physically capable of picking up the band in question.
Thankfully I have time to decide since I have already flashed a 4.4.2 bootloader and I can't do anything until a TMo 4.4.2 factory image surfaces.

Axilarry said:
Best post I've seen so far on my latest obsession, getting the VZW Moto X Dev Ed to work on ATT LTE. By unlocking the VZW phone's bootloader, flashing the phone's modem ( and I know there will be more to it than that ) with ATT modem, is there _any_ chance other LTE bands could be made available?
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I would NOT cross flash modems between models.
i.e. the Verizon X is an XT1060, the T-Mobile is XT0153. I would not flash a XT1053 rom onto a XT1060 or vice versa. It could result in brick.
Oh, and see the update I just added to my post that you quoted...

Vandyyy said:
I might be brave enough to try it since I'm too lazy to sell my old backup of a GNex. HOWEVER the only SIM I have access to that isn't VZ is TMo. Since TMo only has band 4 here, I already know I can get their LTE. If I flash a full TMo image and the 1700/2100 H+ service starts popping up when it reverted to EDGE on Verizon radios, we may be onto something.
I HIGHLY doubt these devices are physically identical and firmware is all that separates the SKUs, but the Nexus 4 showed us that it doesn't always have to be FCC certified to be physically capable of picking up the band in question.
Thankfully I have time to decide since I have already flashed a 4.4.2 bootloader and I can't do anything until a TMo 4.4.2 factory image surfaces.
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Shouldn't be long, soak test invites are going out
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Question about T-Mobile/Unlocked Moto X

We have just purchased a Moto X made for T-Mobile and connected to AT&T towers and now are receiving terrible coverage. We are going through StraightTalk and are now actually roaming with good reception where we live, but we are roaming on USCellular towers. Is there any way that we can flash this phone to run on the USCellular network?

Ok, so I did a little research as far as coverage goes. If you're wanting to use the X on straight talk, then the at&t towers are going to be it for you. You could put the sprint version on straight talk, but if your Verizon straight talk phone is roaming onto us cellular, odds are Sprint is non existent where you live.
You could talk to the us cellular store about putting their version on prepaid, but you'll be looking at $65/month instead of the $45 that straight talk offers.
Now to answer your original question, it's impossible to put the t mobile x on us cellular because it doesn't have a CDMA radio.
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If you're roaming on US Cellular and want to switch to US Cellular, all you would need to do is sign up with US Cellular and put their SIM in your phone. No flashing required. According to Wikipedia, the T-Mobile version supports all the non-LTE bands supported by the US Cellular version, but lacks some LTE bands that the US Cellular version supports, but this is a hardware limitation, AFAIK.

UncleMike said:
If you're roaming on US Cellular and want to switch to US Cellular, all you would need to do is sign up with US Cellular and put their SIM in your phone. No flashing required. According to Wikipedia, the T-Mobile version supports all the non-LTE bands supported by the US Cellular version, but lacks some LTE bands that the US Cellular version supports, but this is a hardware limitation, AFAIK.
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Unfortunately, both US Cellular and Verizon are CDMA carriers. Phones from GSM providers such as T-Mobile and AT&T will not work on their services.
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chrstndsgnr said:
Unfortunately, both US Cellular and Verizon are CDMA carriers. Phones from GSM providers such as T-Mobile and AT&T will not work on their services.
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The OP claims to be using a T-Mobile version of the Moto X with an AT&T SIM, which couldn't possibly roam on a CDMA carrier.
But a quick look at Wikipedia confirms that US Cellular is a CDMA carrier, although their Moto X version supports GSM bands also - which is what led me astray in my reply.
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Yes I confirm. My Moto X is a Verizon model working on tmobile.

ozzyGEEK said:
Yes I confirm. My Moto X is a Verizon model working on tmobile.
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hi there. I'm looking to try out the tmobile $30 service and I have vzw right now. I was going to get a vzw model just in case things don't work out. As you said the tmobile service works with the vzw moto x but I was wondering if you're able to text/make calls while on the 4g LTE network? I've heard people having problems and not being able to surf the net while on call or not being able to receive texts/outgoing calls while on the 4G, but everything works on the HSPA network.
Thanks!

Which bands will Turbo support?

Copied from phone arena, yet device page doesn't list the bands.
"The FCC filing is for a *Motorola device with the model number*XT1254, which matches the leaked DROID Turbo model number we've seen before. The odd thing is that the filing lists support for*LTE Bands 2, 4, 5, and 17, and GSM and WCDMA frequencies at 850MHz, 1700MHz, and 1900MHz. Those bands match up with AT&T and T-Mobile; but, the DROID Turbo would be a Verizon device"
My question is for my friend who uses cricket. Would the droid turbo work with cricket?
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jfriend33 said:
Copied from phone arena, yet device page doesn't list the bands.
"The FCC filing is for a *Motorola device with the model number*XT1254, which matches the leaked DROID Turbo model number we've seen before. The odd thing is that the filing lists support for*LTE Bands 2, 4, 5, and 17, and GSM and WCDMA frequencies at 850MHz, 1700MHz, and 1900MHz. Those bands match up with AT&T and T-Mobile; but, the DROID Turbo would be a Verizon device"
My question is for my friend who uses cricket. Would the droid turbo work with cricket?
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just wait, next week we will have full specs and we will know for sure.

There are two Droid Turbo listings that have gone through the FCC.
FCC ID: IHDT56PK1 is the Verizon Droid Turbo. It has support for:
GSM 850 / 900
WCDMA Band II / V
CDMA2000 BC0 / BC1
LTE Bands 2/4/7/13
This is pretty much a typical "global" Verizon phone. It does not support AT&T LTE bands but should work on their 3G network. Cricket uses the AT&T network. However there is that second Droid Turbo listing.
FCC ID: IHDT56PK2 is the other listing, it is stated as electrically identical to the Verizon Droid Turbo. It has support for:
GSM 850 / 1900
WCDMA Band II / IV / V
LTE Bands 2/4/5/7/17
This is more or less an AT&T version of the Droid Turbo. So this would be the phone you should be looking for when it eventually comes out.

Networks and Bands
CDMA/EVDO Rev A (850, 1900MHz)
LTE Cat 4 (bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13)
Carrier Aggregation (B4+13)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1900, 2100MHz

will this phone be able to use on tmobile LTE band?

shah_vm said:
will this phone be able to use on tmobile LTE band?
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Probably not.
I put my ATT SIM card in, clicked on the "not a verizon sim card" pop up to make it go away.
Had a 3G icon but speeds are not bad, getting 6-7 Mbps / 2 Mbps (down/up) on ATT. Configured proper APN and it still did not matter.
Put the Verizon sim back and had LTE and noticed the APN I saved for ATT was gone and the Verizon one was back.
In any case, I don't plan to use this device on ATT but was curious if that (ATT) sim would work. Why? If it works (which it did, placed calls, and sent SMS), this means I should be able to travel overseas and use another SIM card. It was a question I could not get answered in the corporate VZW store. Now I know.
I'd suspect TMO LTE would not work. If you plan on using the device full time you probably won't have LTE speeds.

cpufrost said:
Probably not.
I put my ATT SIM card in, clicked on the "not a verizon sim card" pop up to make it go away.
Had a 3G icon but speeds are not bad, getting 6-7 Mbps / 2 Mbps (down/up) on ATT. Configured proper APN and it still did not matter.
Put the Verizon sim back and had LTE and noticed the APN I saved for ATT was gone and the Verizon one was back.
In any case, I don't plan to use this device on ATT but was curious if that (ATT) sim would work. Why? If it works (which it did, placed calls, and sent SMS), this means I should be able to travel overseas and use another SIM card. It was a question I could not get answered in the corporate VZW store. Now I know.
I'd suspect TMO LTE would not work. If you plan on using the device full time you probably won't have LTE speeds.
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http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988
AFAIK, Turbo support band 2, 4 which is compatible with T-Mobile. (1700, 2100).
I don't see the supported band in 3G and GSM but 4G
Also, Motorola planned to launch an international version of Turbo so if you don't want to get from verizon, you can get this version.

Yeah I'd suspect it was using HSPA+ because I've never gotten speeds much above 1 or 2mbps down with 3G.
Either way, definitely not a deal breaker, anything is better than dreaded EDGE/1X LOL.

shah_vm said:
will this phone be able to use on tmobile LTE band?
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I bought this phone on a lark to see if it would work on T-Mo, and I CAN receive LTE. I validated download speeds above 12 MBPS. The coverage seems to be a bit spotty and I am not sure what band is being picked up. I am in Minneapolis.
thankjs
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cpufrost said:
Probably not.
I put my ATT SIM card in, clicked on the "not a verizon sim card" pop up to make it go away.
Had a 3G icon but speeds are not bad, getting 6-7 Mbps / 2 Mbps (down/up) on ATT. Configured proper APN and it still did not matter.
Put the Verizon sim back and had LTE and noticed the APN I saved for ATT was gone and the Verizon one was back.
In any case, I don't plan to use this device on ATT but was curious if that (ATT) sim would work. Why? If it works (which it did, placed calls, and sent SMS), this means I should be able to travel overseas and use another SIM card. It was a question I could not get answered in the corporate VZW store. Now I know.
I'd suspect TMO LTE would not work. If you plan on using the device full time you probably won't have LTE speeds.
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I can confirm LTE does work for T-mobile. I popped my sim in and set up the APN and I can get LTE with download speeds in the 20M range now.

aaronc_98 said:
I bought this phone on a lark to see if it would work on T-Mo, and I CAN receive LTE. I validated download speeds above 12 MBPS. The coverage seems to be a bit spotty and I am not sure what band is being picked up. I am in Minneapolis.
thankjs
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I can confirm LTE does work for T-mobile. I popped my sim in and set up the APN and I can get LTE with download speeds in the 20M range now.
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Thanks for confirming

cpufrost said:
Probably not.
I put my ATT SIM card in, clicked on the "not a verizon sim card" pop up to make it go away.
Had a 3G icon but speeds are not bad, getting 6-7 Mbps / 2 Mbps (down/up) on ATT. Configured proper APN and it still did not matter.
Put the Verizon sim back and had LTE and noticed the APN I saved for ATT was gone and the Verizon one was back.
In any case, I don't plan to use this device on ATT but was curious if that (ATT) sim would work. Why? If it works (which it did, placed calls, and sent SMS), this means I should be able to travel overseas and use another SIM card. It was a question I could not get answered in the corporate VZW store. Now I know.
I'd suspect TMO LTE would not work. If you plan on using the device full time you probably won't have LTE speeds.
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@cpufrost - curious to know if simultaneous data and voice worked for you with your ATT sim. thanks.

cortez.i said:
@cpufrost - curious to know if simultaneous data and voice worked for you with your ATT sim. thanks.
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It does on tmo...

shah_vm said:
will this phone be able to use on tmobile LTE band?
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@cpufrost - curious to know if simultaneous data and voice worked for you with your ATT sim. thanks.
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Yes, just tried it and was able to surf while on a call.
Speed tests show about the same speeds as well, approx 6 down, 2 up.
However when on Verizon there is no data when on a call. They need to enable LTE for voice and data. I believe it's Advanced calling 1.0.
Interestingly enough I got a text yesterday afternoon on my other number that's on an iphone 6 that is now active.
Hopefully it won't be long.
EDIT: Even though the signal icon shows 3G when the ATT sim is there it may be getting LTE. My area doesn't get good signal, typ. -115dBM on LTE and -90 dBM for HSPA, etc. I'll have to try it in an area where LTE is stronger. In any case HSPA+ is pretty good, it surfs pretty fast.

Thanks guys
Sent from my unlocked consumer edition Motorola Droid Maxx xt1080m.

Canadian Network Support / LTE
Hey guys,
Picked up the Turbo at a Buffalo best Buy and set it up today on Rogers/Fido. Couldn't seem to get an LTE signal even though the phone and network seem to be compatible on LTE band 4.
Anyways, for any of those wondering about this or considering doing the same thing and bringing a Turbo up north, after about an hour 4G LTE switched on by itself and I must say these speeds are incredible. 76MB Down and 17MB Up. My home cable speeds aren't that fast.
So basically, anyone reading this thread in Canada. Fear not and buy this beast of a phone.
P.S. (I used the "LTEMOBILE.APN" APN)

04deveni said:
Hey guys,
Picked up the Turbo at a Buffalo best Buy and set it up today on Rogers/Fido. Couldn't seem to get an LTE signal even though the phone and network seem to be compatible on LTE band 4.
Anyways, for any of those wondering about this or considering doing the same thing and bringing a Turbo up north, after about an hour 4G LTE switched on by itself and I must say these speeds are incredible. 76MB Down and 17MB Up. My home cable speeds aren't that fast.
So basically, anyone reading this thread in Canada. Fear not and buy this beast of a phone.
P.S. (I used the "LTEMOBILE.APN" APN)
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How much did it cost you outright?
HTC One M8

Elisha said:
How much did it cost you outright?
HTC One M8
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Just over $700 USD. Not bad at all if you ask me. As soon as I sell my LG G3 it'll be a $200 upgrade.

04deveni said:
Just over $700 USD. Not bad at all if you ask me. As soon as I sell my LG G3 it'll be a $200 upgrade.
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32gb or 64gb?
HTC One M8

it work with venezuela bands?
2g 900 and 850
3g 900 and 1900
4g 1800
thanks

You guys are actively using the Verizon droid turbo on other Sim cards and networks? Isn't the Sim card a micro Sim card? I can use this device with T-Mobile out of the box without unlocking or needing to anything special?
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[Q] Nexus 6 on verizon roaming on telus

Hello all,
On my Verizon LG G2 VS985 when roaming in Canada on telus I could get lte.
Same sim card in nexus 6 does not get me lte. Can anyone shed some insight on this as to why?
Any help will be much appreciated, thanks!

do you have data roaming and national data roaming enabled in the main settings, more, cellular networks..?

Did you have both phones at the same spot and swap your sim card and one got LTE and the N6 did not? That's probably the best way to test.

simms22 said:
do you have data roaming and national data roaming enabled in the main settings, more, cellular networks..?
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I do, the data works when roaming, but I don't get lte.
jawmail said:
Did you have both phones at the same spot and swap your sim card and one got LTE and the N6 did not? That's probably the best way to test.
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I haven't done back to back swapping, but my brother got his nexus 6 first, and us standing beside each other I had lte, he did not. Now in places where I had lte on my g3, I do not with my nexus 6.
I have it with I believe, so I will test back to back. But I'm not sure when I will have time for that yet. Next few days.
Thanks to the both of you!

simms22 said:
do you have data roaming and national data roaming enabled in the main settings, more, cellular networks..?
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Did you have both phones at the same spot and swap your sim card and one got LTE and the N6 did not? That's probably the best way to test.
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Quoting both of you again only for notification purposes.
Both phones side by each, LG G3 VS985 gets LTE roaming on telus, nexus 6 does not. Neither get LTE roaming on Rogers. On the G3 I can specify telus LTE , but that doesn't work, I have to wait for LTE after selecting the telus hspa network.
Not sure if these are any good, or helpful, but I am attaching 4 logs. Two from the G3, one successfully getting LTE from telus, one failing to get LTE on Rogers. Other two from nexus 6, both shortly after connection drops on telus (when I presume it's trying to get LTE and failing).
Again, if anyone can help, I'm all ears. Thanks!!

Here is the last post to me from the other thread where I started this investigation :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269/page94
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I don't know if it's a Verizon thing, but it seems like LTE roaming is dependent on the software, not necessarily the SIM (at least for Verizon).
Here, you can see the G2 had to be updated just to support LTE data roaming:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...ed-calling-1-0-improvements-lte-data-roaming/
So I'm wondering if there's something that need to be updated to enable this. Otherwise, this should work fine. I cannot think of a single reason for this not to work. Telus uses LTE Band 4, which both your Nexus 6 and LG G3 support. T-Mobile's main LTE frequency is also LTE Band 4, and that's the most popular carrier to use the N6 on. So it's gotta be a Verizon-specific configuration file on the phone or something.
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I think Product F(RED) may be onto something, if the G2 needed an actual OTA update to enable LTE roaming.

How about LTE while we roam on Rogers, that would be way more advantages to us since Rogers has way better coverage then Telus
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There is more to it then we think, when I gas a Verizon GS5 I would only roam on Rogers, my wife with her Verizon GS5 roams on MTS, mine would not even see MTS
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It depends on the PRL you have. Its a software thing. By the way, Telus and Bell share towers up here in the land of the great cold, much much better coverage than Rogers. And I mean, much better. Rogers has huge gaps in coverage. And all cellular networks are nonexistent once you get off the beaten path...

I'd like to revive this thread, as we are still not getting LTE while roaming in Canada on our non vzw Nexus s.
Verizon,Motorola, and Google support have been no help.
Can ananyone help?
Thanks in advance

Update: VZW Nexus 6 gets LTE when roaming no matter what. Stock or custom rom, rooted, unlocked, different recovery.
Non VZW nexus 6 does not get LTE when roaming no matter what.
The imei is the only thing left that could be causing this.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.

So after a long lengthy process with VZW, they finally after 9 monthes allow non VZW Nexus 6 devices to roam on LTE, Thank you @Enigmafied ???

Help with LTE Connection Problems

Hi, I have the Moto X 2014 pure edition and I am on consumer cellular. Consumer cellular is basically AT&T if you have not heard of it. My problem is my LTE connection. When I turn my phone on in the morning, I have an LTE signal. When my LTE signal goes under two bars I get pushed down to HSPA. However, once I go to HSPA my phone never goes back to LTE even when I know I have full bars. I have tried multiple APN settings so I don't believe that they are the problem. I will post screenshots from LTE discovery. This app shows the spinal strength of the connection. Both screenshots are from the exact same location within 20 seconds of each other. The only reason I got the LTE signal is because I set my phone to LTE only mode which I can't keep it in because I there is not volte here. Please help. Thanks in advance.

I think AT&T sells the XT1097 and that's because the pure edition is one band missing that your company uses, the same happens in Latin America. Here some information you can use https://forums.motorola.com/posts/889129c231

I also saw that when I was researching the problem. However, LTE discovery shows I am using band 4 which is available on my phone. If I update to lollipop, it will unlock more bands but I don't want to update yet because of the many bugs.

Konner27 said:
I also saw that when I was researching the problem. However, LTE discovery shows I am using band 4 which is available on my phone. If I update to lollipop, it will unlock more bands but I don't want to update yet because of the many bugs.
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AT&T 4G HSPA and HSPA+ use 850Mhz(Band 5) and 1900Mhz(Band 2) bands but it all depends on area if they own a license. LTE uses Band 17(700Mhz), Band 5(850Mhz), Band 2(1900Mhz), Band 4(1700/2100Mhz) currently.
Depends of the area you are, if you are some place where the band 4 is available you will have LTE as soon you leave signal will lost, as I said the pure edition XT1095 supports only bands 2,4 and 17 and Lollipop enables bands 3,5 and 7, so I am guessing that the band you are missing is the 5.

That is a great point. However, I haven't moved more than a couple blocks to school. Once LTE becomes weak enough to drop down to HSPA, the phone doesn't reconnect to LTE once the signal is strong enough. I can turn on LTE only and it will switch to LTE with three or four bars of LTE.

Get a new phone?

I just got the phone about 2 months ago.

That happens to me as well. I know I'm on a place where there's LTE coverage, but the phone never connects to it, even though in the network option I have 4G as preferred network type. I can only get it to connect to LTE by going to the dialer and entering *#*#4636#*#*, Phone information and forcing it to connect to LTE Only.

Are you also on KitKat?

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Are you also on KitKat?
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Right now I'm on Lollipop, but the problem did happen when I was on Kit Kat as well.
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Are you on native at&t or an MVNO?
Not all MVNO's have access to LTE and that might be a reason.
I am on native at&t with a Moto X Pure Edition and I register on and maintain LTE all day long without issue.
VoLTE would be an added benefit but as of yet nobody knows if unbranded device (or in at&t parlance gray devices) will ever support VoLTE.
Dan

Consumer cellular is a MVNO of AT&T. They utilize AT&T LTE and also have roaming. It is pretty much postpaid at&t. I understand that in the lollipop update, more LTE bands are unlocked. However, the LTE band that my phone shows is band 4 which is supported without lollipop. Thanks

If Consumer Cellular is allowed access to at&t's LTE network and if you area utilizing LTE on band 4, than it sounds like you have a defective device.
An easy test would be to pop an at&t SIM into your Moto X and see if that connects to LTE properly, if it doesn't then it is your device, if does then it is your account, it could be a provisioning problem or some other issue on the account side.
You could also try it putting your SIM into another device that supports at&t LTE and see if it properly connects and if it does that would pretty much indicate an issue with your Moto X.
Dan

I talked to Motorola through online chat and I was told to try a new Sim card before they could continue helping me. I called and a new Sim card is being sent. A couple days ago, I put my Sim card into my mother's gophone that she is using on consumer cellular also. It received LTE but I couldn't test it further to see if it stayed connected to LTE because she needed it back. Also, I could input APN settings and they would save no problem.

Konner27 said:
I talked to Motorola through online chat and I was told to try a new Sim card before they could continue helping me. I called and a new Sim card is being sent. A couple days ago, I put my Sim card into my mother's gophone that she is using on consumer cellular also. It received LTE but I couldn't test it further to see if it stayed connected to LTE because she needed it back. Also, I could input APN settings and they would save no problem.
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A SIM may or may not be the answer but it is a good place to start.
In my experience this type of issue is sometimes hard to pinpoint as there could be multiple issues at play, some within your control and some not.
If you have a chance to try your SIM (for more than a few moments) in another handset capable of Band 4 LTE on at&t, that would be beneficial in pinpointing the issue, conversely it is just as helpful to take a consumer cellular or at&t sim (though an at&t might be more telling) and insert that into your Moto X and see what happens.
Another issue, though less likely is that at&t is recognizing the phone as something other than a LTE capable handset and thus not allowing it to register on LTE? Have you used your SIM an a LTE capable handset prior to your Moto X?
Dan

I'm using a PE on AT&T and have bulletproof LTE signal. Not once have I seen it drop to HSPA+ when LTE is available. My N5 does it all the time, but not the Moto X.

I'm hoping to try my Sim in my mother's or brothers phone for a longer period of time sometime soon. A new Sim card will be here soon but I don't think it is the problem but it is indeed a good place to start.

I received the replacement Sim card and it did not help. I called Motorola support and they are sending me a replacement moto x. I really hope it fixes the problem. Also, I read that some people have had bad experiences with Motorola support but I had a great experience. The support member is sending me Motorola earbuds for free because of the inconvenience! I will update this thread once I receive the replacement. Meanwhile, thanks to all who have commented their advice. I truly appreciate it!