Car Charger Burnt My Phone! - One (M8) Accessories

I bought a twin USB car charger (2A) from Halfords and a 2M Belkin micro USB from Halfords.
I was using phone as sat nav for a while when one day I noticed a plasticky burning smell. I noticed the charger and my phone were very hot. I pulled the cable out of the phone and as I did, the metal of the cable twisted through the rubber of the cable. I found I couldn't charge the phone with any charger and the port had blackened.
I sent charger back to Halfords and they are carrying out investigations. I sent the phone to Carphone Warehouse for repair under Manufacturer Warranty and am awaiting for them to diagnose the problem.
Has any one had a similar experience?
I am worried both Halfords and Carphone Warehouse will blame each other leaving me with a dud phone. Any advice?
Here are the links to the products I bought:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/..._productId_839071_langId_-1_categoryId_165489
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/...productId_1007339_langId_-1_categoryId_165635
The assistant in store had a guess that possibly the wire was not rated for 2A? But I think he was reaching.

I do a lot of travelling in my line of work and only once have I seen something similar happen to me and oddly it was in my personal car not the work van I drive regularly!
But yes, it was the cable that went. Not sure why. I doubt it was a rating thing to be honest. Its more likely the insulation has failed in the cable somewhere causing a short and to heat up. That will travel the length of the cable so its no wonder it burnt out the socket on the phone especially with the HTC being constructed of metals.
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gsdaheley said:
I bought a twin USB car charger (2A) from Halfords and a 2M Belkin micro USB from Halfords.
I was using phone as sat nav for a while when one day I noticed a plasticky burning smell. I noticed the charger and my phone were very hot. I pulled the cable out of the phone and as I did, the metal of the cable twisted through the rubber of the cable. I found I couldn't charge the phone with any charger and the port had blackened.
I sent charger back to Halfords and they are carrying out investigations. I sent the phone to Carphone Warehouse for repair under Manufacturer Warranty and am awaiting for them to diagnose the problem.
Has any one had a similar experience?
I am worried both Halfords and Carphone Warehouse will blame each other leaving me with a dud phone. Any advice?
Here are the links to the products I bought:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/..._productId_839071_langId_-1_categoryId_165489
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/...productId_1007339_langId_-1_categoryId_165635
The assistant in store had a guess that possibly the wire was not rated for 2A? But I think he was reaching.
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The stock charger is rated at 1.5 amps. Isn't 2 amps too high?
EDIT: I looked it up and it is a twin charger. The question is: do they put the full amps out a single port, or divide it in half, for twin 1 amp charges. I've seen chargers that do one or the other - depends on the design.

stevedebi said:
The stock charger is rated at 1.5 amps. Isn't 2 amps too high?
EDIT: I looked it up and it is a twin charger. The question is: do they put the full amps out a single port, or divide it in half, for twin 1 amp charges. I've seen chargers that do one or the other - depends on the design.
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It does not matter. It could be rated for 5 amps, a device should only pull as many amps as it needs. As long as the voltage is right and you meet the minimum amperage you're fine.
EDIT: Short version, improper voltage will kill electronics fast.
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I needed a car charger and I noticed a lot of them said 2A on them. I was told directly from HTC not to buy a charger rated over 1.5A or I could damage the phone.

gsdaheley said:
I bought a twin USB car charger (2A) from Halfords and a 2M Belkin micro USB from Halfords.
Has any one had a similar experience?
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How long have you had the cable? I've seen it several times with cables that have shorts in one of the ends, generally showing signs of ware such as exposed wires, ripples in the outer shield etc... if they were both new then it's probably still the cable at fault, generally when chargers fail they just stop working.

yuppicide said:
I needed a car charger and I noticed a lot of them said 2A on them. I was told directly from HTC not to buy a charger rated over 1.5A or I could damage the phone.
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This is rubbish and smacks of HTC just covering their arses. I sometimes use a 2amp charger with my M8 in the house and never had a problem. As previous poster said, the phone will draw what it needs.
Aside from that, the M8 supports quick charge 2. Whilst that requires a special charger to work, said charger kicks out nearly 2amps and a higher voltage (9-12v). So I don't think anyone has to worry.
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yuppicide said:
I needed a car charger and I noticed a lot of them said 2A on them. I was told directly from HTC not to buy a charger rated over 1.5A or I could damage the phone.
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This is the problem with HTC support, they don't seem to really know what they are talking about!
I don't understand how the phone will pull more current just because the charger is capable of supplying it. Its like saying, don't plug your phone charger into a wall socket capable of supplying 13A, because it only needs 3A!

Tejr said:
This is the problem with HTC support, they don't seem to really know what they are talking about!
I don't understand how the phone will pull more current just because the charger is capable of supplying it. Its like saying, don't plug your phone charger into a wall socket capable of supplying 13A, because it only needs 3A!
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Oh man! I better not use my kitchen outlets! Those guys are 20A rated outlets on a 20A breaker!

Update
So I returned my phone for repair, and after two weeks, they just sent me a replacement. I asked for details on the overheating problem and they fobbed me off saying now the 'repair' was complete they can't contact the repair centre.
I also returned the charger and wire to Halfords, and they exchanged on the spot.
I used the new phone and car charger again, and it seems to be heating up quite a bit again. I'm noticing the charger itself is warming up quite a bit and the phone is getting very hot.
I rang HTC customer services and they said they only offer support on genuine HTC products and told me to go to their shop.
Anyone else have any words of advice on what charger/wire is working well for them?

Yeah I thought about that but I'm getting the same issue in two different vehicles.

In struggling to understand why you exchanged the charger (which 99.9% probability is the problem) for another, so that it could potentially happen again!? If that was me, I'd have got a refund and bought a different charger.
For what its worth I'm using a Proporta 2a twin in car charger with no problems. I'm using this with a short cable 5-6" long as I hate having long cables trailing in the car.
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Does this behavior only happen when you're using navigation and charging at the same time, or does it happen when you just charge? I've noticed with every HTC I've owned that when using GPS and charging, the phone will get pretty warm and the orange LED will start flashing indicating it's overheating.

jaggrey said:
Does this behavior only happen when you're using navigation and charging at the same time, or does it happen when you just charge? I've noticed with every HTC I've owned that when using GPS and charging, the phone will get pretty warm and the orange LED will start flashing indicating it's overheating.
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This is exactly what happens on mine, using it as navigation, so obviously screen on, on hot dashboard, while voice and music are piped through bluetooth, it overheats my M8 and the LED starts blinking and stops charging, even with power saver on. But, if I shut the screen off for maybe 10 minutes it cools down enough to start charging again.

Yeah I'm noticing it heats up generally, but especially when using a car charger vs using mains charger.
When I had the issue, there was no warning or light. It just stopped charging and burnt the port and wire.
The reason I went for an exchange was because it's a reputable retailer. Not some eBay product.

Just a thought. But, and this CAN actually happen....
You're really NOT supposed to use a phone while it's charging. That can cause overheating in both the device AND the charger.

Interesting point, lyrical1278. I bought a charger for my car when I use Google Maps navigation. I'm a bit worried it will fry my phone though if I'm charging and navigating at the same time.

leongwengheng said:
Interesting point, lyrical1278. I bought a charger for my car when I use Google Maps navigation. I'm a bit worried it will fry my phone though if I'm charging and navigating at the same time.
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Yeah, I remember plenty of times I was using nav with the charger and the phone would be blistering hot (from previous phones I have used). So I stopped doing that.
I would simply leave it off charger unless I absolutely needed to charge the phone (around 20%). The downside to that is that there is no way around it. If you get a lower rated charger, you risk the device using more power than the charger can give it and doing more harm than good.
This is where the external batteries come in. I use those now since there isn't any more stress on the phone than what it would normally dram from it's own battery. AND the phone doesn't get hot.

lyrical1278 said:
Yeah, I remember plenty of times I was using nav with the charger and the phone would be blistering hot (from previous phones I have used). So I stopped doing that.
I would simply leave it off charger unless I absolutely needed to charge the phone (around 20%). The downside to that is that there is no way around it. If you get a lower rated charger, you risk the device using more power than the charger can give it and doing more harm than good.
This is where the external batteries come in. I use those now since there isn't any more stress on the phone than what it would normally dram from it's own battery. AND the phone doesn't get hot.
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Yeah, feels like the charger I bought was a waste of money now lol. Probably better to just keep an external battery in the car.
I have a USB port in my car, which I used to use, but the battery would go down faster than it would charge at when using GPS/3G/Wifi/etc. I didn't realise that was bad for the phone until reading your post!

A quick fix for over heating in hot climiates would be a vent phone holder, and turn AC on. Its kind of a bobo approach, but it would work. Also I think having a case on is interfering with thermal transfer,..its insulating the phone and keeping some heat from being radiated away by the metal casing.

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[Q] Car charger 1000mah

Hi everybody, I am looking for a car charger for my HD2. I would like to ask if you think that a 1000mah one would damage the phone?
I have found some on eBay and I was considering buying it.
Please let me know what you think.
The standard mains power adaptor that comes with the phone is 1000mA so no it won't damage it.
Even a 5000mA won't, the phone will draw as much current as it needs.
Thanks for the reply, I was thinking of buying the charger and a car mount, so that I have my GPS needs for this years vacation, but I already had bad experience with a car charger that was not able to charge my wife's HTC Diamond when using GPS, that is why I want to buy a good one.
Try these: They work perfectly for me. The charger is a Motorola original charger.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1130487
I use an original Nokia N97 car charger and I never had any problems. I suggest you do the same, they are a little more expensive than the other ones, but a car charger has to be able to give enough juice to the phone while running. A friend of mine uses a similar charger for his HD2, he even tried a charger with several normal USB ports and they can't supply enough power for the phone.
Thank you all for the replies. I have seen both chargers, and the Nokia N97 one is even cheaper on Amazon. I will probably go with the Motorola one, as it seems to have enough power for the HD2. I was able to find out that its maximum output is 950mah, which is not bad for a cell phone charger.
Looks also like a more durable one, and if the manufacturers won't change the port soon, might be able to get it to charge my future phones as well.
Now for a car mount, I will probably go with the Exomount, as I have read some very nice things about it, plus it is universal, so I'll be able to have it hold much more than this phone.
Hope this thread helps someone with the same questions as I had.
Micro usb is the agreed standard amongst most mobile phone manufacturers to reduce wastage in having to produce umpteen different power adaptors, plus it reduces manufacturing costs.
xaccers said:
Micro usb is the agreed standard amongst most mobile phone manufacturers to reduce wastage in having to produce umpteen different power adaptors, plus it reduces manufacturing costs.
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amen to that , I was tiered of having so many different charges at home. At least at that time Nokia ruled the world (mobile world I mean), and most of them were Nokia chargers, hehe
But I prefer the micro usb norm. I just hope they will not invent a mini micro usb in the new devices. My xperia x1 and touch pro use a mini usb, which was the standard at that time
What is the max that the HD2 can get from the car charger?
I have a 500ma car charger, but when using the GPS it doesn't really charge, it seems that it only gives the same amount as the drain. (few days ago when I had 64% I connected the charger and drove for another hour or so, GPS always active, upon arrival battery was 63%)
will a 1000ma charger "charge" the battery during long drives?
I have a Brodit Active holder it works very well.
With GPS and Navigon on still charging.
I cannot put a link Serch for Brodit active holder HD2
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What is the max that the HD2 can get from the car charger?
I have a 500ma car charger, but when using the GPS it doesn't really charge, it seems that it only gives the same amount as the drain. (few days ago when I had 64% I connected the charger and drove for another hour or so, GPS always active, upon arrival battery was 63%)
will a 1000ma charger "charge" the battery during long drives?
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yes that will do the job,
if it does not, solder the 2 inner terminals together and that will make your phone think it plugged into the mains charger
i bought a cheap 1amp usb charger from deal extreme and did the above
Be careful with the soldering. If the charger can't supply 1A, it might damage the phone /car/charger.
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I also need this for GPS in car,
Anyone recommend a good car charger? I have 2 cheap ones that don't charge
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I bought this one for 8€ at a retailer. It is well manufactured and does what it should. http://www.hama.de/portal/articleId*179294/action*2563
Product number: hama 00093584
Charging current of 1000 mA for fast charging
12/24 V charger for practical charging in cars and trucks
space-saving coiled cable for avoiding cable clutter
Direct power supply and battery charging via the car cigarette lighter socket
IC controlled, intelligent charging (switch-over to trickle charge, overcharge protection)
LED function indicator
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[Q] Battery charging problem?

I've had the Droid 3 for about 10 days now, and I've been encountering an intermittent problem with charging the phone.
Last night, I plugged in my phone so that it would charge overnight. I made sure that the connections to both the phone and the outlet were firm, and upon plugging it in, my phone's battery icon and lock screen both indicated that it was charging. However, when I woke up this morning, I discovered that the battery had actually continued to discharge overnight. Despite this, the battery icon and lock screen both continued to say that the battery was charging.
I've run into this problem three times this past week. It's entirely possible that I just have a defective device, but I wanted to check and make sure that nobody else was experiencing this issue before taking it back to Verizon.
Check the task manager for programs using lots of cpu. I've found that using google maps nav in the car dock while charging still in fact uses more power than it could charge. Your issue is with the screen off though so check for background apps.
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I have had this problem 2 times and I have had the phone for about the same time. I plugged it in at like 40% watched a movie screen never came on till the movie was over I looked at my screen and the battery was at 11%. I was thinking maybe just a bad connection untill I looked at the notification bar and it said it was charging!
I just got my Droid 3 yesterday and last night, the first night of use, it did the same thing. Even if I go into battery usage and look at the graph it'll say charging but the power level will be going down. Very frustrating.
A Verizon rep I spoke with recommended trying a different charger. Sounds reasonable enough, so I'll give that a shot and post back after a few nights of use.
What is the current rating of the chargers you guys are using? (i.e. 850 mA, 1 A, etc). A good rule of thumb is not use anything less than 1 A (1000 mA).
The Motorola-supplied charger is 850mA.
RandomEncounter said:
A Verizon rep I spoke with recommended trying a different charger. Sounds reasonable enough, so I'll give that a shot and post back after a few nights of use.
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This sounds logical. I had this same problem two phones that happened to have a slide-out keyboard (Shift, G2) and the problem vanished when I used a different charger. I just read today that 100s of people were having this problem today in a news feed.
I was having the issue too, so I used a 2A charger that came with my Huawei tablet...no more issues! (Charge time is about 1.5 hours too!)
pplude said:
I was having the issue too, so I used a 2A charger that came with my Huawei tablet...no more issues! (Charge time is about 1.5 hours too!)
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I'd be careful about using higher amperage chargers. Don't want to be burning out the charging circuitry. Not saying you will.. just be careful using a charger not designed specifically for the device.
Apparently the new Moto LiPo batteries have another level of overcharge protection. To be safe, I'm going to use an ohm-meter about once a week or so to check the internal contacts (a higher ohm rating would suggest damage).
pplude said:
Apparently the new Moto LiPo batteries have another level of overcharge protection. To be safe, I'm going to use an ohm-meter about once a week or so to check the internal contacts (a higher ohm rating would suggest damage).
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Good to know. I found one of those chargers for $6, I'm considering getting one now.
http://www.bargaincell.com/huaweiid...e-p-509461.html?cPath=58893_59091_59092_59093
elkay said:
Good to know. I found one of those chargers for $6, I'm considering getting one now.
http://www.bargaincell.com/huaweiid...e-p-509461.html?cPath=58893_59091_59092_59093
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That's not the one I have, I'm using the USB-output charger from the S7 SLIM, then the Moto supplied USB cable.
Well, it's been a few days, and I haven't experienced the problem since switching to a different charger. Granted, the problem was intermittent, so it's difficult to know for certain if the charger was in fact the issue, but I'm content with this solution.
I've been using my iPad's 5.1V 2.1A charger without issues for a few days. It charges the extended battery from 10% to full in a little over an hour.
That's the dual-core proc for ya. Wonder why the Xoom uses a proprietary charger? dual-core devices nom battery.
Jewremy said:
That's the dual-core proc for ya. Wonder why the Xoom uses a proprietary charger? dual-core devices nom battery.
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No? Dual core is more efficient, it shuts down one of the processors when it's not in use. Dual core means nothing about power efficiency. As a matter of fact, it can have an advantage. Each core uses less power, and combined, they can use less power than a similarly powerful chipset.
I've also run into some issues on my 5 day old Droid 3. It seems to be when disconnected from the charger. I have two regular Moto chargers for this, and tried a 1A HTC charger, which this thing will not charge from.
I tried using different micro USB cables, which didn't help, either. I was trying to move the phone around while charging, and seemed to encounter the issue. Either it's a connector issue for the mUSB, or the (especially short and stiff) charging cables have broken conductors inside, and we're getting a bad batch of cords.
Possibly the D3 has its own issue with charging, but I didn't have a problem until this morning. regular mUSB cords won't work for me at all, as I've tried all I have.
Given this issue, I'm wondering how widespread this is, and if it's something to take the phone back for. I took me a few hours (over 3) of waiting and fiddling with it, but it's at least charging now.
I had this issue to. I used a different charger and cord to charge my phone at night woke up the next day no charge. I went to work pluged in to my wall charger and still no charge. I did a factory reset thinking that might work but it did not. I was going to take it to a verizon store after work so on the way there I pluged in to my car charger an it started to charge so I skipped the store. When I got home I used a different cord and wall charger and it also worked. I did notice that when I plugged in the night before that a small little white light was lit up for a second in between the charging port and hdmi. I know there is a light there but never seen it light up before. So maybe that was behind all of this. Not had a problem sense.
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The amperage you see stated PS units has no effect on your phone. That's not how many amps leaves the unit to charge your battery. That's how much the PS unit can handle as a draw. In reality the reason the stock ones are only 850 only means that the manufacture used spec parts for the PS unit. i would think that Motorola's minimum spec was 850 and so that's what the PS units manufacture used.
The higher the number means nothing other than you can bet the 1AMP one is going to out last the 850.
Of course the last statement is highly speculative because i have no idea what the amp rating for the phone is. But what i do know is that all the parts are made in china and you can bet they are not going to overbuild anything.
If the amp range is 675-832, which is the number I would expect then if the phone draws more than 850 for an extended period of time the units internal fuse could blow. Unless of course you purchased a third party unit that has an external fuse. Then you can jsut replace the fuse and not have to worry about going out to buy Chinese garbage. lolz
but then again i bet this Droid 3 is made in china, oh well. I like it anyway

High speed charging

I went from an OG droid to the revolution. The car charger i used to use for the moto droid was charging that phone very fast, just like the ac charger. Now with the revo, it's pretty damn slow. I tried shorting the data pins with some solder and the revo actually dropped about 200mv worth of charging current. Strange. I thought shorting the data lines together put the phone into fast charge but when i "cat /proc/kmsg" it says "charging at 0mv" even though it is actually charging at about 400mv as verified by a ammeter. My home charger gets "charging at 1800mv". Some strange stuff. I'm gonna try the ipod method of 2.8/2.0 unless someone else can chime in here. Thanx
I'd be interested in this also. I'm using New Trent USB battery pack and I want it to be acknowledged by the Power Manager as a fast charge source -- not the "computer connected USB" source it shows as now.
I use a store bought adapter, with the verizon/LG cord I got with the phone, and if I use Google Maps and Navigator, I lose power while I am plugged in. Glad to see I am not the only one with the "issue"
I figure its just the way the phone charges, not anything to do with any bugs or what not, so I never really worried about it. I just make sure I am fully charged before I need to use the power sucking apps.
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I use a store bought adapter, with the verizon/LG cord I got with the phone, and if I use Google Maps and Navigator, I lose power while I am plugged in. Glad to see I am not the only one with the "issue"
I figure its just the way the phone charges, not anything to do with any bugs or what not, so I never really worried about it. I just make sure I am fully charged before I need to use the power sucking apps.
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On USB "computer powered" I've found maps and weather apps suck battery much faster than it can recharge. I noticed that the car adapter is detected as "AC Powered" -- even though it's starting off as 12VDC. I was hoping to use the external USB battery pack to keep the internal battery full while using the maps and weather in our boat --- but after 5 hours with screen on and battery pack attached at "USB Computer" recharge rates, the internal battery was flat-out DEAD, and the external pack was only down about 35%.
We just need to figure out what the data lines want to see for a "dedicated charger" type-2 charge connection which will yield the full 1800mv like the ac charger does. I'm working on this...hope i don't fry my phone's usb controller
My problem is, i don't have a charger that shows up as such. My friend's last night did, i may try to get that from him and sniff the connection for resistance values etc.
Hey...I'll leave that level of wizardry to you! Good to know there is a possible answer.
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I too would be very interested....thanks for the post
High Speed Charging
Dear All:
I do alternate energy research and we deal with Li battery packs all the time and have seen fires from improper charging. It is okay to advise rom and other software mods but when dealing with electricity it is possibly life threatening. We do not want to read in the next days post about a member dying in his sleep due to a fire. Please use utmost care when you post soldering and wireshorting hacks. We do not know the technical level of the person on the other end.
Second-most, the quality of third party chargers is very shoddy and they do not follow IEC or UL codes which adds another danger factor.
For example I bought a Chinese made Lamptron inverter for my cathode lights and the input wiring was wrong could have fried my gaming rig if I didn't check.
I understand your convern but 1800mA is the charge rate of the wall (ac) charger. That's what we're trying to achieve with a car charger. If you buy crap you're asking for problems. Most car chargers can output 2 full amps @5v but are setup to only charge at 500mA. USB charging of smart devices utilizes the data+ and data- lines as charge mode indicators. Small changes in resistance (therefore voltage) changes how the phone will pull amperage. I think everyone knows the danger of overheating lithium-ion batteries. We're not trying to do anything more than what the wall chargers already do. Check out xda a bit more and you'll see lots of posts about this very subject for different phones. Like this one. Or check out Ladyada's ipod charging research for some other good info. FYI, a good source of CCFL inverter parts is in old broken lcd tvs. Cheap, easy and reliable.
Now that that's out of the way, i set up a breadboard today so i can check some things out but had no time to test so hopefully tomorrow i can give some insight as to what the revo wants data line wise so it goes into "type 2" 1800mA charge mode. Will post with what i find and maybe some pics.
Alright. I just dug in for an hour and found out some things. My wall charger supplies 3.68vdc on both the data+ and data- lines. While using this charger the phone (using /pro/kmsg) goes into "type=2" charging mode with 1800mA. So. I hooked up my car charger. I noticed 2.1vdc on only one data line. So i made a quick resistive divider up to bring both data lines up to 3.68. BAM...didn't work. I also tried shorting the two data lines together while at 3.68v....nope. Then i threw a potentiometer in between the two data lines and tried a few values up to 200ohms....nope. I then pulled all connections to the car chargers data lines and supplied a fresh 3.68v to the output cable...nope. Last thing i did was just use my power supply to supply the 5v and gnd without the car charger in the loop....still couldn't get a type 2 charge. I'm losing my mind here. I think i missed something stupid or am over thinking this. I might start from scratch later but first, i need a few cigarettes. I'm hoping someone can chime in with a simple fix and call me stupid
I found another charger i had bought from radio shack a while ago. It's a PointMobl charger. Plugged it in and got an 1800mA type=2 charge. Sweet. Now i'm gonna dig into it and see why it works....plus i'm ditching the damn spiral cord cuz they piss me off.
I'm using the wall charger from a Moto Razr, and it puts the Revo into fast charge. I found the pinouts here: http://pinouts.ru/all/razrv3_charger_pinout.shtml
Any new insight from that?
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Danzdroid said:
I'm using the wall charger from a Moto Razr, and it puts the Revo into fast charge. I found the pinouts here: http://pinouts.ru/all/razrv3_charger_pinout.shtml
Any new insight from that?
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Some phones are like that. Common usb is 4 wire, micro usb adds another pin. That pin needs to get a 200ohm resistor jumped to the shorted d+/- lines. The thing is, the wall charger only has 4 pins like every other usb. Unless the cable itself has the extra pin connected to the data lines through a resistor, it still doesn't explain the difference. I haven't taken this other charger apart yet, actually, i don't think i can without destroying it as it looks to be sonic-welded at the seams. What happened to the old screw-ended cig lighter adapters??
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Some phones are like that. Common usb is 4 wire, micro usb adds another pin. That pin needs to get a 200ohm resistor jumped to the shorted d+/- lines. The thing is, the wall charger only has 4 pins like every other usb. Unless the cable itself has the extra pin connected to the data lines through a resistor, it still doesn't explain the difference. I haven't taken this other charger apart yet, actually, i don't think i can without destroying it as it looks to be sonic-welded at the seams. What happened to the old screw-ended cig lighter adapters??
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Probably one too many people opening them and electrocuting themselves. Or glue is cheaper than metal screws.
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deftonesmw,
I wanted to say I'm looking forward to your findings. In the meantime, I ended up buying a car charger that claims high ma charging. It sounds like Danzdroid has issues with his battery pack charger which could possibly benefit from your research too.
Wall charger: 100 to 120 AC converted to low voltage dc
Car: 12v DC no conversion, probably resistance regulated.
Stating the obvious the wall charger is a complete different beast from the low voltage computer/car charger. With out a 12v dc to ac converter I don't think you will ever get a car to charge like a wall charger.
Your radio shack device probably uses some type of capacitor device to ramp up the juice then runs it through some sort of regulator which simulates the AC style charge.
Or at least if I was designing one that is how I would do it.
Haxcid said:
Wall charger: 100 to 120 AC converted to low voltage dc
Car: 12v DC no conversion, probably resistance regulated.
Stating the obvious the wall charger is a complete different beast from the low voltage computer/car charger. With out a 12v dc to ac converter I don't think you will ever get a car to charge like a wall charger.
Your radio shack device probably uses some type of capacitor device to ramp up the juice then runs it through some sort of regulator which simulates the AC style charge.
Or at least if I was designing one that is how I would do it.
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My car charges like a wall charger. It's not about inverting alternating to direct. It's about getting the phone to pull the amperage. Regardless of what the max current is, the phone has modes of charging. It will pull what it's directed to pull depending on the charge mode it's put into by either d- and d+ voltages and/or resistance across certain conductors. Most car chargers can produce a full 2 amps, that's not saying they are actually doing that though. It all depends on what the phone is taking, not what the charger is giving. You're looking at this the wrong way. 90% of chargers are capable of the output (dc car chargers), it's the phone that desides what to pull according to the chargers instruction (data lines and/or 5th micro pin). The charger's maximum output is equal to the fuseable value it contains. So. Yes, my car charger charges the same as my wall charger. By the way, capacitors by themselves store energy, they don't "ramp" anything. The only caps in my car charger are for smoothing as far as i can see. It's all about resistance, not capacitance. A wall charger is just a car charger with an inverter before it in the sequence. In fact, you could open a wall charger up and split the two circuits, apply 12v to the dc half's input traces and get the same effect....without the ac components even in the same room.
20 buck solution.
Buy inverter.
plug in AV charger.
Enjoy AC charging in your car.
I'm working on a real solution to this but for now an inverter is a good workaround
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K0G said:
20 buck solution.
Buy inverter.
plug in AV charger.
Enjoy AC charging in your car.
I'm working on a real solution to this but for now an inverter is a good workaround
"Home-Less and happy"
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lol...i was doing the same thing for a while
deftonesmw said:
I found another charger i had bought from radio shack a while ago. It's a PointMobl charger. Plugged it in and got an 1800mA type=2 charge. Sweet. Now i'm gonna dig into it and see why it works....plus i'm ditching the damn spiral cord cuz they piss me off.
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I went to Radio Shack today and got one of these. It shows up just like the ac charger does. I will be able to use it in my car dock for navigation and not have to worry about the running the battery down. At least that is what I am hoping for.

Charging with dock station

I noticed that when I charge the phone in the dock station, the phone gets very hot. Is this normal ? anything I should do
to prevent it ? Running latest 4.2.2 stock.
kalda01 said:
I noticed that when I charge the phone in the dock station, the phone gets very hot. Is this normal ? anything I should do
to prevent it ? Running latest 4.2.2 stock.
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In my experience, the dock is the least powerful of the chargers, my phone gets unbearably hot when charging on mains, put it in the dock and it just gets a little warm.
What mAh is the dock?
Kirkymole said:
In my experience, the dock is the least powerful of the chargers, my phone gets unbearably hot when charging on mains, put it in the dock and it just gets a little warm.
What mAh is the dock?
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The dock is 1800mah, but the wall charger that came with the phone is only 1500mah,
does it mean I shouldn't use the same wall charger when charging via the dock ? Do I need a charger rated at least 1800mah ?
I never noticed that. Yeah, maybe a bit warm but not so much as you can say it's hot. I will check it sometimes the next few days and will give a second review. :good:
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I never noticed that. Yeah, maybe a bit warm but not so much as you can say it's hot. I will check it sometimes the next few days and will give a second review. :good:
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Last night tries to charge with same cable but a 2amp charger, and the dock did not heat up at all.
I really wonder if the original charger is faulty
Yeah it was like always, normal.
Thats possible, you can try it with another original charger and then you know whats going on, maybe..
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Can it cause any damage if using a 2.1amp wall charger instead of the original 1.5amp ?
I think the phone charges how much it needs/set. So if you give the bigger charger it can be that the phone doesnt charge faster. But i'm not sure also my explanation is bad I know
" So if you give the bigger charger it can be that the phone doesnt charge faster."
So it will not damage something. That I wanna say with this sentence
But for a 100% correctly answer an other person have to give an answer like a dev
The phone SHOULD only take the charge it needs, it has an auto cut out when the battery is full so it won't overload and damage the battery.
Charging amps is a funny business. A 1.5 amp charger on a ten metre cable will be practically the same as a 10 amp charger straight into the phone. You lose energy through the cable. The cable my dock came with is rated 2.1 amp but the charger itself is only rated for 0.5 amp. So it takes forever to charge, till I plugged a 3amp charger in, it charges at the same rate but the phone gets much hotter.
I dunno, I just stick to keeping the amps and cable ratings the same as the one that came with the phone in the box. That way we know we can break anything:good:
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The phone SHOULD only take the charge it needs, it has an auto cut out when the battery is full so it won't overload and damage the battery.
Charging amps is a funny business. A 1.5 amp charger on a ten metre cable will be practically the same as a 10 amp charger straight into the phone. You lose energy through the cable. The cable my dock came with is rated 2.1 amp but the charger itself is only rated for 0.5 amp. So it takes forever to charge, till I plugged a 3amp charger in, it charges at the same rate but the phone gets much hotter.
I dunno, I just stick to keeping the amps and cable ratings the same as the one that came with the phone in the box. That way we know we can break anything:good:
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I noticed in recent days that the phone is heating up when not charging. I read it is a known issue with this model.
Is there something that can be done to fix this ? has anyone found a cure yet ? (other than dipping the phone in water to cool it down)
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I noticed in recent days that the phone is heating up when not charging. I read it is a known issue with this model.
Is there something that can be done to fix this ? has anyone found a cure yet ? (other than dipping the phone in water to cool it down)
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Ignore it, the phone will automatically shut itself down to protect itself long before the temperature is high enough to actually cause it any permanent damage. It's actually nice in my profession, warms the hands on freezing cold days.
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Fast charging sometimes works

Does anyone else have this issue with their note 5 where sometimes it says fast charging and sometimes it's just regular charging?
Not using the OEM charger, are you using a different one?
you have to use the charger designed for the Note 5. The Galaxy S6 wont fast charge my note 5. also you need to have the device (and the wall plug part too if you can) under a fan. It gets hot, and when its hot the charge gets slower
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Not using the OEM charger, are you using a different one?
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0xDFA said:
you have to use the charger designed for the Note 5. The Galaxy S6 wont fast charge my note 5. also you need to have the device (and the wall plug part too if you can) under a fan. It gets hot, and when its hot the charge gets slower
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Yes I am using the original charger that came with the phone, the cord and wall.
I know sometimes I'll plug in the OEM charger and it starts just regular charging. If I unplug it and plug right back it starts fast charging. Weird but it happens half the time.
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Quick charge 2.0 chargers work too.
I would try using a different cord just to see if it makes a difference. I have seen it talked about before where the issue was a cord, even when they are brand new.
I have seen this same behavior as well so sometimes with my one charger cord combo, it takes a few tries to get fast charging to kick in. With my new charger and cord I haven't noticed it happen yet.
And yes the previous fast chargers all work fine. I haven't even used the charger and cord that came with my Note 5 yet.
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Does anyone else have this issue with their note 5 where sometimes it says fast charging and sometimes it's just regular charging?
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Any Fast charging Charger should work, because it is a standard. (Qualcomm's patent: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/features/quick-charge )
I've been using a Chinese but functional Fast charger that was veeeery close to be a original one. In fact, I believe the internals are the same you'll find in the original Samsung charge. It was fine for 11 months until some solder points broke and I was getting regular charger, sometimes fast and sometimes nothing at all.
I thought it was lint or dirt buildup in the cable or the phone itself, so every time I needed fast charge I used to blow on the charger, the cable and the phone; basically giving it the Nintendo NES cartridge treatment! LOL After a while that didn't work and soon enough It stopped working.
I disassembled the charger to check for broken solder joints and yes, the GND joints were broken and also the transformer but I guess that was my fault. Chargers and other gadgets are made not to last. It is called PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE so it was a PITA to disassemble. In the end the white plastic housing was FUBAR, I couldn't get the internals out. (The housing is made from a chewy plastic, It won't break like it was made of bubble gum) So I had to take a pair of pliers and rip the plug connectors. The charger is made to never be taken apart, It is disposable.
After a half hour battle I could resolder everything and I took apart an old DVD player and used its power cord to power the charger. It is nothing more than the PCB and a long power cord but it works again.
So long story short:
-Any good quality fast charger SHOULD work
-Any good quality USB cable should work
-Murphy's Law: If you need to charge your phone because it only has 5% battery, the charger will fail
-Some gadgets are not meant to be repaired, they are disposable
On the attached photos, the one with red arrows is where I had to resolder.
I had that problem too, is the cable, mine took 1 year to broke and i bought some news cables and they always work with fast charging

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