OK, so far we have some info on the D820 (via the FCC) and D821 (via the leaked service manual).
D820: LTE bands 2/4/5/17/25/26/41
D821: LTE B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B20
D821 looks like a good match for European, African and most Asian LTE bands, and D820 looks like a match for American & South American LTE bands. China does not appear to be well covered by either model, so there may be a third model if the Nexus 5 is released there.
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UK:
D820: No carriers
D821: EE (3, 7, 20) 3, (3, 20), O2 (20), Vodafone (7, 20)
US:
D820: Sprint (25, 26, 41), AT&T (2, 4, 5, 17), T-Mobile (4)
D821: No carriers
Philippines
D820: Smart Communication (5)
D821: Smart Communication (1, 3, 5)
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Please post below with which model is supported by which carriers in your country, and I'll add it to the post.
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Two models, two spec revisions (with inexplicably lost bands), or the same model with bands 'locked off' for different region (is there a regulatory precedent for this, e.g. WiFi channel 14)? My guess is that the hardware is the same and the bands are locked off somewhere in the firmware, but maybe someone familiar with the chipsets can chime in as to their capabilities?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
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Its possible that the bands are modem locked. ie with n4 lte band 4. We really won't be able to tell until we get our hands on one.
So officially now, no Verizon love at all.
Sprint supported. Hell yeah.
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bavarianblessed said:
So officially now, no Verizon love at all.
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Say it isn't so!
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Where is the official proof no Verizon support?
Sprint uses bands 25, 26, and 41 for U.S. version.
AT&T uses bands 4, and 17 on Nexus 5.
T-Mobile has just band 4 from the looks of it.
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Say it isn't so!
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Sudbury78 said:
Where is the official proof no Verizon support?
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Sorry, I shouldn't say official. It hasn't been announced but the bands listed above do not include Verizon's LTE network. Apparently it supports band 4 wich Verizon is supposed to roll out in the future but everyone else is supported in the US. Even US Cellular just no Verizon from the looks of it.
Ugh thanks. F Verizon. Haha
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So there is still a glimmer of hope haha, but knowing Verizon (angry Gnex owner here) and not carrying the Nexus 4, I would not be surprised if they don't support the N5.
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I don't know why they just don't do like the Nexus 7 2013 and just put the Verizon bands in there. Verizon won't be happy but with N7 owners, they were able to activate a SIM in another device, then put it in the N7 for service. They just couldn't activate the SIM in the N7.
Verizon is a pain. My GNex is feeling the pain of Verizon but still overall a great device with tons of dev support.
I do remember there being some issues with the GNex release about signal strength and had a technical support nightmare. Plus the problem of Google releasing CDMA source code in AOSP. Not sure how Sprint does it.
Even if Verizon LTE isn't supported now, would it still work for voice service (3G speeds)?
There is mention of the Radio having an adjustable tuner. Perhaps it can tune in to Verizon LTE unofficially.
Verizon uses LTE 13 currently but plans on expanding to 4.
Having Verizon LTE support is still moot if the CDMA voice fall back isn't there. This after all a phone and Verizon doesn't have vo/lte. This makes the the situation with the new N7 different.
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In my opinion D820 will also have "Band 3" support.
It's the most used band in the world. And it will be very stupid to sell a Nexus 7 2013 US edition with Band 3 support...and a Nexus 5 without it.
Since, the Nexus is a phone it's more required when travelling than an LTE tablet.
Also, people told me that the FFC doesn't need to approve that Band so we still have no info about this.
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Also, people told me that the FFC doesn't need to approve that Band so we still have no info about this.
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I've just dug in Google for a few minutes, and I can't find any info supporting this...the FCC seeks approval on all bands under its perview, to ensure there's no disruption to other frequencies. The fact its a 'world' band is immaterial for release in the US..it would still receive testing/verification.
I am a bit disappointed by the two models, would have preferred a single model that supports all the bands listed (don't know if that is technically possible yet). I travel a lot to the UK and it would have been nice to have LTE while there.
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In my opinion D820 will also have "Band 3" support.
It's the most used band in the world. And it will be very stupid to sell a Nexus 7 2013 US edition with Band 3 support...and a Nexus 5 without it.
Since, the Nexus is a phone it's more required when travelling than an LTE tablet.
Also, people told me that the FFC doesn't need to approve that Band so we still have no info about this.
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According to the leaked Service Manual, page 6 indicates DCS1800 (Band 3) is supported.
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According to the leaked Service Manual, page 6 indicates DCS1800 (Band 3) is supported.
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Mmm but the leaked manual is not only for D821?
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Mmm but the leaked manual is not only for D821?
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"LG-D821 : WCDMA(B1,B2,B4,B5,B8)(HSPA+42Mbps(cat24)/ HSUPA 5.8Mbps(cat6) + GSM850/GSM900/DCS/PCS (GPRS Class10/EDGE
Class10)+ FDD LTE (B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B20) (DL:102Mpbs, UL:51.0Mbps, Max DL MIMO layers = 2, Release8(Cat3))"
I don't know how to make it any clearer..but this relies on a leaked manual.
Here's the wiki page for bands/frequencies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
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"LG-D821 : WCDMA(B1,B2,B4,B5,B8)(HSPA+42Mbps(cat24)/ HSUPA 5.8Mbps(cat6) + GSM850/GSM900/DCS/PCS (GPRS Class10/EDGE
Class10)+ FDD LTE (B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B20) (DL:102Mpbs, UL:51.0Mbps, Max DL MIMO layers = 2, Release8(Cat3))"
I don't know how to make it any clearer..but this relies on a leaked manual.
Here's the wiki page for bands/frequencies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
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The contest wasn't that the D821 would not support band 3 (as you say, the manual clearly states it), but that the D820 would (the FCC filing made no mention of band 3 being among the supported LTE bands).
The FCC website is inaccessible for the moment due to American governmental sillyness, so it's not possible to see if the D820's details have been updated.
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The contest wasn't that the D821 would not support band 3 (as you say, the manual clearly states it), but that the D820 would (the FCC filing made no mention of band 3 being among the supported LTE bands).
The FCC website is inaccessible for the moment due to American governmental sillyness, so it's not possible to see if the D820's details have been updated.
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Good catch! Didn't see that...but for the 820, we presently have:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ery-lte-802-11ac-wi-fi-and-wireless-charging/
I pre-ordered the T-Mobile Galaxy Note 3 from Negri Electronics around October 4 and I just received an email from them saying that they still don't have the T-Mobile Galaxy Note unlocked version yet. I want to get the T-Mobile Note 3 because the bootloader is not locked like the AT&T version. Anyway, Negri offered me the Samsung N900W8 Galaxy Note 3 instead of the unlocked T-Mobile version.
Would the Samsung N900W8 Galaxy Note 3 work with AT&T ?
http://negrielectronics.com/samsung...lte-32gb-nam-unlocked-black.html#.Un3Co8zTmpp
It has this band:
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 1700 / 2100 / 2600
I need LTE to work with AT&T since I currently have AT&T as a provider.
Should I accept Negri offer and get the N900W8 instead of the unlocked T-Mobile version ? ...or should I just wait for the T-Mobile version?
Also, this N900W8 version looks to be more expensive than the T-Mobile version that I orderd but they say that they would honor my T-Mobile price that I pre-ordered on October 4.
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It seems to cover the bands so I say yes it will.
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SM-N900W8 on ATT?
I really want to know if I buy a SM-N900W8 Note 3 from Ebay, can it somehow work with US AT&T network and hopefully get LTE too? Many thanks.
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I really want to know if I buy a SM-N900W8 Note 3 from Ebay, can it somehow work with US AT&T network and hopefully get LTE too? Many thanks.
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Well...did you get it? Did it work on AT&T?
I recently bought an AT&T Note 3, and I am wondering which LTE bands/frequencies the phone is compatible with...
I am looking to use the phone in Singapore (Bands 3 (1800mhz) and 7 (2600mhz)). The AT&T website states that phone covers band 7, while a phone rep stated that it covers band 3. A google search brings up conflicting info. If I can't use my Note 3 in Singapore, I will have to exchange phones. Any help?
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Good question.
I wonder if there is anyone even working on unlocking the T-Mobile bands on the Note 3?
I would go with what negri electronics put on their website, it's a trusted source and in the cellphone business for a long time. They sell unlocked att galaxy note 3's and on the specs I see: 4G LTE: 700/ 850/ 1700/ 1900/ 2100.
As of att's website:
Band 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 and 17
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I see that the Sony mobile US site has the z3c listed as coming soon. Is it best to just wait for that to come out or will the European version fully support all of the AT&T bands? I'd hate to import a phone and not get the best reception/internet.
I know it was suggested in another thread that it would work with AT&T but then there was some confusion in another thread about the phone possibly missing 1 or 2 bands. Any help from an expert would be greatly appreciated.
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I know Sony's white papers have been wrong in the past (Z1 Compact with glass back, grrrr ) but the one for the Z3 Compact D5803 has 4G bands Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 17, 20.
I've had a hunt around for AT&T's 4G bands but this seems a but trickier as it seems dependent on region, going by wikipedia it looks like the main bands are 2, 4 and 17 which are all supported by the European version per the above. It probably doesn't help that I'm not from the US and I don't have enough posts to add the URLs, sorry.
I feel like I remember reading back in the day that some companies used bands of the same frequency that weren't cross compatible. It's always made me nervous about buying non US phones. However my info could be wrong.
When I was in the states, I got a AT&T sim card. My phone definitely says that it has the lte bands. Still, it only displayed h+ while I was there. I did not bother to go back to the store and check because the speed was very good anyway. So maybe it's because the bands are different or it was working on 4g but just not displaying it, I don't know.
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When I was in the states, I got a AT&T sim card. My phone definitely says that it has the lte bands. Still, it only displayed h+ while I was there. I did not bother to go back to the store and check because the speed was very good anyway. So maybe it's because the bands are different or it was working on 4g but just not displaying it, I don't know.
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AT&T must provision your sim for LTE otherwise you'll only receive 3G even if the phone is capable of 4G. Usually they do this based on the IMEI of your device and if it's a non AT&T phone then it won't appear in their database as LTE capable. There are ways for them to manually configure the sim for LTE by contacting support.
The UK model D5803 definitely supports AT&Ts LTE on bands 2, 4, and 17.
Does AT&T have more bands than 2,4,17?
I found when googling AT&T LTE bands that they apparently have also started to use band 5 (850mhz) but that's still supported by the Z3 compact. This was both on AT&T's forums and howardforums but I'm not sure if AT&T need to do something else to enable LTE support on that particular device. I think my own network (3 UK) has to do this as it took a few months for my unlocked Moto X to pick up their 4G network.
From AT&T: https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/byop.html
Refer to the manufacturer's website to verify your unlocked device works with a SIM card on an AT&T GSM network frequency:
• 3G UMTS network 850/1900MHz bands
• 4G LTE network AWS / 700 / 850 / 1900MHz bands
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AWS (1700/2100MHz) is band 4 (Blocks A, B, C, D, E)
700MHz is band 17 (blocks B, C)
850MHz is band 5
1900MHz is band 2
The overwhelming majority of AT&T LTE is on band 17. Bands 2 and 4 are used for additional capacity in some markets and/or some rural/smaller market coverage. I'm not sure they've rolled anything out on band 5 yet, but even so the Z3c has that covered.
OK,
thank you very much for the additional research. It seemed like that was the case but I don't trust my own opinion since I haven't done any real looking into this type of stuff in like 4 years.
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OK,
thank you very much for the additional research. It seemed like that was the case but I don't trust my own opinion since I haven't done any real looking into this type of stuff in like 4 years.
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To answer your original question, as far as we know there is no US model of the Z3c, only the EU D5803 and Asia D5833. If Sony sells it unlocked in the US it will probably be the D5803.
In preparation, hopefully I'll have it in a week.
Programming non-AT&T devices with the correct APN and MMS data settings
Subscribing since I'm very interested in this phone and my service provider is AT&T
Works great. I live in both NY and San Francisco, and I get LTE everywhere on AT&T.
I imported the D5803 (EU) model through Expansys.
Yes. Just make sure to get the d5803 model.
Hi All,
I am on Vodafone who don't use the Band 20 frequency for 4g.
I have the Note 920i version, I have now found out it doesn't work on vodafone 4g as the phone doesn't support that frequency.
I assume there is no way around it?
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Someone mentioned chamging in service menu but also that could not work
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3182455
main networks that use B20 in the UK are o2 and vodafone I think, EE and Three also have a little spectrum at 800Mhz not sure how much its deployed, I think I read that EE was using 800Mhz in rural areas because they could not support alot of handsets on it at the same time due to the limited spectrum/bandwidth that they have. A pity since the 800Mhz frequency is the one which travels through buildings better.
So is the US t-mobile variant SM-N920T the only one with B20 ? What chance is there in unlocking a phone bought off ebay? From what I gather T-Mobile handsets can only be unlocked by T-mobile and not other online services. On the Note 4 it was known that you could flash another carriers firmware on it and then unlock using one of the web services.
I am from slovenia I am waiting for note 5 N920I and we will see how it works now I had 915s note edge Korea version and I didn't have any problem and it was missing band 20...
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I am from slovenia I am waiting for note 5 N920I and we will see how it works now I had 915s note edge Korea version and I didn't have any problem and it was missing band 20...
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But did it connect to Band 20? maybe your older phone just used different band that your network supports