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Ok Samsung released an update for the original Gear the day i bought the thing, now i don't know what to do, should i install a Custom ROM such as Null or upgrade to Tizen?
Null for me! my automation home And 100000 possibility only with android!
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Just flip a coin!
Heads is Null.
Tails is Tizen.
Root and install null and play with it for a while until the Tizen offering becomes more pallatable (ie more native apps, and perhaps custom roms). If youget it to do the things you need in a smartwatch and the battery life is sufficient then there is no reason to "upgrade"
If you start to feel that the promise of having access to thousands of android apps is somewhat overated and largely impractical on the gear's form factor (as I did), or you feel that support is/will be slowly being withdrawn on native apps, or that you may need the extra efficiency with the battery life. Then you can always explore Tizen..Just beware that, at present, there is no viable way back.
I was happy to have had the ability to experiment with Null and truly appreciate Fomey's work. But I believe that the future ( for the Gear anyway) lies with Tizen..Hopefully Fomey will come on board and dev for us on the "dark side"
crutzulee said:
Root and install null and play with it for a while until the Tizen offering becomes more pallatable (ie more native apps, and perhaps custom roms). If youget it to do the things you need in a smartwatch and the battery life is sufficient then there is no reason to "upgrade"
If you start to feel that the promise of having access to thousands of android apps is somewhat overated and largely impractical on the gear's form factor (as I did), or you feel that support is/will be slowly being withdrawn on native apps, or that you may need the extra efficiency with the battery life. Then you can always explore Tizen..Just beware that, at present, there is no viable way back.
I was happy to have had the ability to experiment with Null and truly appreciate Fomey's work. But I believe that the future ( for the Gear anyway) lies with Tizen..Hopefully Fomey will come on board and dev for us on the "dark side"
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I totally agree
I used stock android
I used null rom
Im now on tizen
I preferred stock to null ,but appreciate what null had to offer
I prefer tizen over them all
This is honestly really interesting for me to read. I just got my Gear in the mail and when i get home it will be the 1st time i have got to mess with one. Just gonna try it out for a little while as is before i decide. Came with Android and im curious about Tizen. Hmm..
I'm enjoying learning about Android to much to swap to tizen at the moment. So far the stock experience of Android or tizen on the gear seems to be very similar. The only major difference so far is that lots of people are reporting better battery life on tizen. However app selection on tizen seems limited. I've really enjoyed playing with different third party apps whilst running null. At the moment, for me, tizen would take more than it gives from my user experience. If that changes somewhere down the line I can always move to tizen. However if I switch to tizen there is currently no way to switch back if I miss the current features I'm using with third party apps on null.
Tizen is for those who want a smartwatch with built in apps and don't want to 'play' with it. I think stock experience is terrible, and I would return the watch if i could not put Null rom on it.
Null is the actual upgrade, Tizen is a downgrade.
Tizen is the way to go if you are using a non-Samsung phone and want to use the watch for what it was meant to be. So much more works out of the box and many of null's features were more of a novelty.
Playing roms on your watch isnt very viable due to the screen and battery life.
Browsing the internet on a watch is cool for a few minutes
Tizen allows notifications to work out of the box, and they work with almost everything. By default, this didn't work in null.
Tizen allows the "find my phone" feature to work. This also didn't work in null on my phone
Tizen gives the watch a mini version of the exercise app. Null doesn't have this, but you can sideload other apps.
Tizen gives the phone a standalone music player that can also play through bluetooth headphones. Null didn't do that for me.
Tizen also supports sleep tracking.
The battery life in Tizen is much better.
The Tizen upgrade is more than just an improvement in battery life.
The only thing I miss from the android experience is the unlocked kernel that allowed me to go from 800mhz single core to 1.6ghz dual core, the 15 second time limit for video being raised to 60 second and the mod that allows offline voice commands to work. Using null for much else lead to a major drain in battery life that caused me to leave my gear at home more often than not. With the Tizen upgrade the gear is now seriously being used as a tool rather than a toy to tinker with.
Of course, I totally understand why people running null say that Tizen makes it a toy and null makes their watch a real tool, but for me not having to waste time getting my smart watch setup was important. Out of the box, it's everything I need without having to waste too much time troubleshooting.
novadaemon said:
Tizen is the way to go if you are using a non-Samsung phone and want to use the watch for what it was meant to be. So much more works out of the box and many of null's features were more of a novelty.
Playing roms on your watch isnt very viable due to the screen and battery life.
Browsing the internet on a watch is cool for a few minutes
Tizen allows notifications to work out of the box, and they work with almost everything. By default, this didn't work in null.
Tizen allows the "find my phone" feature to work. This also didn't work in null on my phone
Tizen gives the watch a mini version of the exercise app. Null doesn't have this, but you can sideload other apps.
Tizen gives the phone a standalone music player that can also play through bluetooth headphones. Null didn't do that for me.
Tizen also supports sleep tracking.
The battery life in Tizen is much better.
The Tizen upgrade is more than just an improvement in battery life.
The only thing I miss from the android experience is the unlocked kernel that allowed me to go from 800mhz single core to 1.6ghz dual core, the 15 second time limit for video being raised to 60 second and the mod that allows offline voice commands to work. Using null for much else lead to a major drain in battery life that caused me to leave my gear at home more often than not. With the Tizen upgrade the gear is now seriously being used as a tool rather than a toy to tinker with.
Of course, I totally understand why people running null say that Tizen makes it a toy and null makes their watch a real tool, but for me not having to waste time getting my smart watch setup was important. Out of the box, it's everything I need without having to waste too much time troubleshooting.
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What is the app it uses to connect to the phone. Or I mean what app installs on the phone to talk to the watch.
I only use for what I want notifications.
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I would go tizen if I can have 60 second recoding. I use it quite often. The root hack version isn't good enough for me. So for now null is better for me. I also like being to Bluetooth files to my gear with null.
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Curious
I just got my Gear a week ago and have been loving it running Null. I am curious about Tizen but was wondering if anyone is working on anything with it yet? e.g. Custom ROM's, etc. I've also heard through the rumor mills that Tizen may offer a solution for devices running AOSP ROM's? I am currently running infmaous ROM on my Note 3, but want to get back to an AOSP like CM11.
Thanks
Tizen Upgrade
Hi,
How do I upgrade from stock to Tizen?
Is it available in Australia yet?
andrewbat said:
Hi,
How do I upgrade from stock to Tizen?
Is it available in Australia yet?
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I assume you have Gear 1 since you don't have Tizen stock loaded?
@radekklamzynski7 has this up on XDA...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2767465
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After messing arround with Tizen for a while I am really sick of it.
I am not able to make all the features work on a non Samsung phone.
When I get one thing running, something else is broken. I have reinstalled everything for at least 5-7 times.
- Sometimes I am able to install apps from Galaxy store, sometimes not
- After a while notification (which is the only real usefull feature of the watch) crashes after receiving the first notification until I reboot or reinstall the phone
- There is no screen which shows notifications on the watch face
- All calls are automatically routed to the phone first: My phone is ringing and I start running arround and search for the watch to be able to pick up the phone
I am thinking of selling the watch on Ebay.
Or probably I'll play arround with Null first, to get rid of those crappy Samsung apps at least.
If I am lucky somebody is making an Android Wear port in the meantime.
novadaemon said:
Tizen is the way to go if you are using a non-Samsung phone and want to use the watch for what it was meant to be. So much more works out of the box and many of null's features were more of a novelty.
Playing roms on your watch isnt very viable due to the screen and battery life.
Browsing the internet on a watch is cool for a few minutes
Tizen allows notifications to work out of the box, and they work with almost everything. By default, this didn't work in null.
Tizen allows the "find my phone" feature to work. This also didn't work in null on my phone
Tizen gives the watch a mini version of the exercise app. Null doesn't have this, but you can sideload other apps.
Tizen gives the phone a standalone music player that can also play through bluetooth headphones. Null didn't do that for me.
Tizen also supports sleep tracking.
The battery life in Tizen is much better.
The Tizen upgrade is more than just an improvement in battery life.
The only thing I miss from the android experience is the unlocked kernel that allowed me to go from 800mhz single core to 1.6ghz dual core, the 15 second time limit for video being raised to 60 second and the mod that allows offline voice commands to work. Using null for much else lead to a major drain in battery life that caused me to leave my gear at home more often than not. With the Tizen upgrade the gear is now seriously being used as a tool rather than a toy to tinker with.
Of course, I totally understand why people running null say that Tizen makes it a toy and null makes their watch a real tool, but for me not having to waste time getting my smart watch setup was important. Out of the box, it's everything I need without having to waste too much time troubleshooting.
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Sorry may be a stupid question, but I flashed my S4 i9505 to GPE 4.4.4. How do i make it work with my Gear 1 which is now tizen?
bacman20 said:
Sorry may be a stupid question, but I flashed my S4 i9505 to GPE 4.4.4. How do i make it work with my Gear 1 which is now tizen?
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Go back to android on your gear 1. Lol. I couldn't tizen to play nice with anything but Samsung ROM with gear software.
Megaflop666 said:
Go back to android on your gear 1. Lol. I couldn't tizen to play nice with anything but Samsung ROM with gear software.
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Thank you. I was already considering it.
Hi there.. what is best rom for Galaxy Gear? that i can customize lot? mean notifications and other things? is stock good or that Null ROM? thanks.
The main question is what you need. All Roms can get Notification. One Problem is the battery. I think with Tizen it is the best. Then comes Null Rom and at last the Android.
For myself I prefer Tizen. Because the Battery must stand at least one day.
For Null Rom you need Internet over BT Tethering. Nothing for the Battery. In my opinion its something to show other people for 2 days. Nothing else. Remember, its a watch and not a computer.
darkgano said:
The main question is what you need. All Roms can get Notification. One Problem is the battery. I think with Tizen it is the best. Then comes Null Rom and at last the Android.
For myself I prefer Tizen. Because the Battery must stand at least one day.
For Null Rom you need Internet over BT Tethering. Nothing for the Battery. In my opinion its something to show other people for 2 days. Nothing else. Remember, its a watch and not a computer.
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thanks.. maybe i keep tizen
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For Null Rom you need Internet over BT Tethering. Nothing for the Battery.
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This is not true. Null rom does not have any requirement for internet/bluetooth tethering. Yes, if you wanted to use the native web browser for internet, you need tethering. There are alternatives to this though.
Personally, I use Null ROM and gear manager 1.6 (the most recent gear manager causes too much battery drain). Under normal usage conditions (e.g. checking notifications, responding to sms messages, occasional calls), I'm usually left with 80-85% battery still left after a full day use (7:30 am - 12am).
I flashed yesterday the last Android Version after Nullrom. Because Gear Manager doesnt worked.
In 4 hours the battery was dead. Now I have Tizen on my watch. Because I have with this the best Battery consume.
Search and try them out yourself.
There is no best ROM. A search would have told you this.
I have a Galaxy Gear (1st gen) and it's still on Android.
Curious if I should stay on Android or move to the Tizen update?
I don't really plan to do much tinkering or hacking, but don't see much on rolling it back to Android if I don't like Tizen so thought I'd ask first.
TIA!
~poz
I updated mine and think its much better. I dont tinker much with the watch (i do with my phone) and generally just use the watch for its intended purpose.
Ive seen a thread with a working rollback to android. Although i think it takes abit of luck to make it work. Dont plan on rolling back though as i dont see the need.
I would suggest the update but thats just my opinion
Like maskerwsk said. If you're not tinkering with it then I think Tizen is the way to go. I upgraded shortly after I got mine. The battery life is better. I hear the performance is better but I can't vouch for that, I didn't play with android enough. The app support is much better and the launcher is visually more appealing, if that sort of thing is important to you. I like to check out the available stock options and then I cant resist the urge to mess with it. I have successfully downgraded back to android with out to much trouble. I have a custom recovery installed. The next step is to get Null loaded on it. If you intend to use it for it's intended purpose then you probably wont regret upgrading to Tizen.
Going back to android is easy, follow the thread and it's fine. I used tizen for the most part and everything worked fine for me using it on an lg g3 however I wasn't able to get gear manager working when I updated to lollipop on my g3 so back to null for me.
Null, when you set the cpu up properly easily last a full day, could probably get 2 days out of it if I don't play with it a lot. It's really a toss up. Try both and see what fits you better, or if non Samsung and lollipop, right now your only real option is android and with that no reason not to run null.
What's the video recording time limit on Tizen?
I get 3 days of battery on my Gear now because it's only for notification and occasional camera use.
Performance is much better than Android. And no side loading either!
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What's the video recording time limit on Tizen?
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15 seconds.
I love to tinker so it's null all the way for me! I look at tizen and I think no: zooper, tasker, popup widget, gmd gesture control etc etc etc it's my device and I enjoy seeing how far I can push it and also workaround things that frustrate me like not being able to reply to a notification on whatsapp. But it's each to their own. I hope you enjoy your device whatever path you choose to take
It's a much better device on Tizen, with one critical exception, at least for me: the battery drain is horrible. On Android, I could still be in the low 90% range at the end of the day. On Tizen, it drains at an average rate of 7% an hour. Worse if I'm really active with it (video recording, etc.). It died mid-afternoon last week. I've reset the Gear and reinstalled Gear Manager, but no joy. I'd go back to Android but I like Tizen a lot more -- save for the drain.
Edit: This fix -- downgrading to the previous version of Gear Manager -- seems to have fixed the battery issue for me: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-gear/help/battery-dying-12-hours-t2887770.
I've read through reviews, and this looks like a great phone, and the fact that it is a small phone makes it better. But will I be able to have at least root & TWRP without any major downsides?
The camera apparently loses quality, but is there a Gcam HDR+ yet?
If you stay on stock rom, the camera quality will stay the same if you use the DRM-fix.
You'll loose the ability to do OTA updates, tho.
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I've read through reviews, and this looks like a great phone, and the fact that it is a small phone makes it better. But will I be able to have at least root & TWRP without any major downsides?
The camera apparently loses quality, but is there a Gcam HDR+ yet?
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The DRM fix made by sToRm// works on any firmware (next release) and any XZ device.
The DRM that sony installed is broken when you unlock your bootloader and sToRm//'s fix enables it. So there is no loss of quality with the camera, it's exactly as stock. The DRM is fixed or broken, the camera is fixed or broken, there is no half way 'dodgy' pictures that people imagine.
Yes, you won't receive any OTA updates if your phone is rooted, but there is Xperiafirm and Newflasher, to keep you up to date. Then reflash with sToRm//'s app and you're good to go.
In the old days you wanted to root your phone to control all the battery eating apps, but Google/Sony have been aware of the drive to extend battery life for a long time now and with a few exceptions, changing the configuration of the services will probably make your battery worse not better. The battery life on the XZ1 compact is the best of any phone I've had, straight out the box, no tweaking required.
The only other main driver for rooting your phone was to be able to customise it and change the framework colours, but you can do that without root now.
Be sure you want to root you phone for the right reasons, not because it's fashionable, or because you want Xposed installed so that when you press the volume the flash comes on.
There's a chance you'll break your phone in the process, so is what you want to root your phone for important enough to have to buy a new phone for?
I'm not trying to put you off, but if you read sToRm//'s thread, there's loads of people getting into a real mess trying to root when they don't even know what ADB is. They've unlocked their phones, broken the camera, but now stuck unable to get the fix to work. Don't go there.
If you want the Google +HDR camera, check out russel5's [XZ1C,G8441,Lilac]AOSP_8.1 rom, which comes with it baked in
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Yes, you won't receive any OTA updates if your phone is rooted, but there is Xperiafirm and Newflasher, to keep you up to date. Then reflash with sToRm//'s app and you're good to go.
In the old days you wanted to root your phone to control all the battery eating apps, but Google/Sony have been aware of the drive to extend battery life for a long time now and with a few exceptions, changing the configuration of the services will probably make your battery worse not better. The battery life on the XZ1 compact is the best of any phone I've had, straight out the box, no tweaking required.
The only other main driver for rooting your phone was to be able to customise it and change the framework colours, but you can do that without root now.
Be sure you want to root you phone for the right reasons, not because it's fashionable, or because you want Xposed installed so that when you press the volume the flash comes on.
There's a chance you'll break your phone in the process, so is what you want to root your phone for important enough to have to buy a new phone for?
I'm not trying to put you off, but if you read sToRm//'s thread, there's loads of people getting into a real mess trying to root when they don't even know what ADB is. They've unlocked their phones, broken the camera, but now stuck unable to get the fix to work. Don't go there.
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There are a few apps that require root that I'd like to use, and a lot of tweaks via TWRP flashing. The main reason really is underclocking the XZ1C, because I really don't need that much power, even if the battery life is already insane.
Thanks a lot though!
Hello, I'm a newbie. I've browsed the ROMs topic but since I don't understand nothing I was lost. I would like to put stock android on my Galaxy s10, will someone please link to me a guide + stock android ROM? (If what I said made any sense) trying to flee programmed obsolescence. Thank you!
I'm confused - your title says you want to root, but then your post says you want stock. And then you say you're trying to "flee programmed obsolescence:". Can you be more specific about what you are trying to do?
For stock ROM, you can easily use ODIN to do that. This has nothing to do with rooting.
Rooting can be done on some devices, not others. We'd need to know which exact model you have (eg my S10+ is an SM-G975U1)...
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I'm confused (...)
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I meant I wanted to use pure Android, no UI on top of it. I want to root because I've heard it can improve battery life and camera quality. I noticed my phone's screen wakes up randomly no notifications since I bought it, I'm suspicious this is an artifact to decrease the life span of the device. Also there is a carrier app I can't delete which sends notifications that wake up my phone and don't turn the screen off after, no matter my settings, this app I can't delete nor customize notification settings on. This also degrades battery life a lot as it not only wakes up the screen, but puts the whole phone to function and can be there woken for hours if I don't see it, it's really annoying. So I'd like to get rid of that and run pure Android. Galaxy S10 SM-G973F. Thank you for reaching.
Since you're on Exynos, I am not directly familiar with the process (I am in the USA and have a Snapdragon phone, which means we can't root as easily).
This thread seem to have info, and the second post seems quite detailed and clear: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...device-and-get-it-right-tipps-tricks.4015813/
If you have further questions about the process, you may want to ask on that thread.