I ASK THAT YOU READ ALL THIS BEFORE I GET TO THE FIX, BECAUSE THIS IS A MULTILAYERED TOPIC. I WANT EVERYONE TO READ THIS, NOT JUST DEVS OR SENIORS, BUT ALL THE LURKERS AND MEMBERS WHO'VE NEVER POSTED. I WILL ACCEPT ALL SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS.
THAT MEANS YOU. AND YOU. AND THATS RIGHT...EVEN YOU!
IN THIS POST, I WILL DISCUSS BRIEFLY MY PLANS FOR THE FUTURE OF MY HERO, HOW I WILL BRING MY SUCCESS TO PHONES AROUND THE USA, HOW I WILL JOIN THE LEAUGES OF DAMAGE, AND FLIPZ, AND ESPECIALLY DARCH, WHO WHILE WATCHED FROM A DISTANCE, WHEN THE TIME CAME FOR IT, BROUGHT ME THE ANSWER. AT THE END, I HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION, TO BE FOLLOWED BY THE FIX[EDIT: REALITY; COMING SOON][sooner with your support!]
3 year lurker. xda is the only forum I've taken apart of in the community, and to a small sucess. I've actaully managed to help, learn, and now its time I give back to the community.
I FIRMLY BELIEVE I HAVE THE SKILLS REQUIRED TO BRING SOMETHING NEW TO THE TABLE, AND HAVE ENOUGH TO SPLIT IT BETWEEN EVERY PERSON SITTING AT THAT TABLE. WILL YOU JOIN ME AT THIS TABLE?
If anyone has ever looked at my profile, then you know I've only been a member since March 25th, and have been made a senior in just over a week(not that I'm bragging...). I'm no spammer, all my posts have been legit, and I have actually helped people. I still consider myself a noob, but I do believe I have earned my seniority, and hopefully the support of all the main devs, who have helped me beyond belief, and have responded to any major question I had, especially with what Ive been working on lately.
If you've logged on within the past 2 weeks, and followed my posts at all, then you know that even if I dont know the answer, I offer suggestions, and more importantly support. I distinguish flames, stomp on the trolls, and still manage to bring my ideas to the table, so its time to test and see if I can make these idea's come true.
I cannot do this without your help.
I am now going to quote one the the best devs on this forum, with the fix.
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mountaindont said:
wanna hop over on my trackball fix thread?
im so damn close, i can see the lights!
...get it?
im uploading the directory we gotta mess with now. i just know you can help!!
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I think you're best bet would be to write an app to keep the trackball light forever on instead of trying to rewrite most of the frameworks and deal with all the dependencies to fix the trackball light.
if you really want to go and make the trackball stay always on by rewriting some code, i'd suggest you first look inside the framework jars with baksmali and find any lines which reference to the trackball, and see if you can somehow manipulate it to constantly echo 1 to the trackball led device in /dev to constantly stay on.
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If I'm going to start understanding the Android platform to the degree that Darch and co do, the best place to start would be writing my first application (this will expose me to the framework, the commands, and how to manipulate the OS like never before). Something I've looked into, and have tried a couple things.
-keeping in mind, that in all reality, Sprints final release will give the option to decide light or touch responsive...at least, I hope so...-
I get my laptop back tomaro, and I will be studying the SDK to the T, and with the support of you guys, I will write an app to work on any 2.1 ROM, that will give you the option to keep the trackball light on or let it remain light sensitive[beta, first release] and eventually, options that will blow your mind. Things that handcent might incorporate, so you only have to use this app to pimp out the stock messaging app. Speed of flash. Customize vibration. Haptic feedback when clicking the trackball (links, function buttons, or just sitting on your homescreen, and you get that urge to just enjoy the pleasure of your customized vibration.) [future release, always FREE]
I dont know how long it will take me to learn the SDK enough to set something up from nothing and make this farfetched idea. I was hoping that someone could give me the scource code to a related app; handcent would be amazing, but something like Trackball Alert for the nexus one (its something, not nothing :-\) would be cool too. Or if you have programming skills, please, lets team up, I'm reading tutorials now. If I can complete "Hello Android", I'm sure I can make this happen.
THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT I ASK OF THE ENTIRE XDA COMMUNITY (lurkers, seniors, devs, and members who just want to test and give feed back)
WILL YOU SUPPORT ME?
If I ask a question (dont worry, this thread your reading now has gone through four topic changes to avoid clutter, I'll be sticking with this thread for updates, releases, and changelogs -
I might start one more thread to keep up on bugs-) will you help? Will you subscribe and help my idea come to life, and bring a whole new customization option app. Will the main devs take part, seeing as how this app could very well be included in future releases of their ROMS (I'll talk about my ROM idea's in another update) Will the seniors with a sick attitude be able to put their frustrations and rude answers in their pocket while posting in this thread? Bring positive energy in, with advice and sugestions, and crys of "good luck!"?
If its a team effort, its hardly an effort at all.
the basis of what what we have so far. i know what files need to be edited, this time im sure its [sys/class/leds/button-backlight] in this directory, there are sensor files, a "trigger file"(quite sure this will play a major role) that contains a series of commands that seem to tell the backlights and sensors how and when to act. I'm sure apps like Handcent and Trackball alert mess with the same files (and if not, what do they mess with to make these changes? would installing and taking a look at the permissions be a good place to start?). Anyone know how to get in touch with the devs, or some scource code of an app that affects the trackball? This would be a great start.
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quick rundown of my rom idea's. some of you read my MAJOR INTERNAL MEMORY ISSUE thread, which you all rose magnificently to the occasion, and I couldnt be happier. It was true team work, something I know we can do if we just unite like we did yesterday. You all solved my problem, and have proven to me the members of XDA are capable of anything, especially when united.
the fact is, damages latest leaks are the best platform to build upon, as when the final release surfaces, and we get an official RUU, it will work truely flawlessly. so this is most certainly what we need to base the app off of at first, as its the only one with the closest trackball fix. if darch and flipz n fresh all want to encorporate it into their ROMS, they more than entitled too, as I hope to get help from them in certain areas. my issue with the latest sprint leak: the OS is so big, it leaves you with barely any internal memory, and you pretty much have no choice but to use a2sd. ive never had to use a2sd on my hero, and this is disppointing (damage, this is NOT a shot at you, its a fact, one I plan on helping you adress. im in the middle of working on a cleaner foundation for you to work on). the rom will be fully "sensable" with some tweaks like that of no other. i will build on the foundation you've laid, to create a new foundation for you to build on (once more leaks surface)
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im off for the day, except for occasionaly visits on my Hero, so please feel free to comment. I'm looking for someone to help build this app, so anyone with app programming skills, PM your GTALK and we can chat about idea's. in the meantime, maybe someone knows a open scource app that would allow us to build off?
dear damage, darch, and flipz, please PM me your GTALK if your interested...although I could understand if your too busy with your ROMS, I dont mind taking on the load, as long as I have your support, and can ask for help. i will not cross the line and ask for the RUU's you've been getting damage, but I would love to hear your plans for future releases, whether or not you might be interested in using my app and perhaps help developing it.
c.a.l.i.n.g. a.l.l. d.e.v.s.
It is light sensitive tested by placing finger over the sensor above the sprint logo (upper right) flicked the track ball it comes on. Hopefully that helps beleive me I know how it is when you ask a question or look for help and you get nothing
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It is light sensitive tested by placing finger over the sensor above the sprint logo (upper right) flicked the track ball it comes on. Hopefully that helps beleive me I know how it is when you ask a question or look for help and you get nothing
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a quick search in damages.thread (which i hate doing, his threads fill so fast.and questions get buried, right along with the answer) gave me the same conclusion. but the fact is, i want a constant trackball led, and im sure if people had the option, more people would want it too. most view it as a minimal bug, so dont bother. i guess, for me, the other bugs are so minimal that the trackballs led has become the biggest issue.
could someone please help? i spend alot of time on here helping as much as i can, id really appreciate it if someone with the same desired goal could devote some time to it. id be willing to help in any manner.
im sitting in my basement with all the lights out posting this, just to spend time with my long lost tb led.
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Did you try to turn off the Auto brightness feature for the display to see if this stops the Trackball from not turning on?
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Did you try to turn off the Auto brightness feature for the display to see if this stops the Trackball from not turning on?
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I have auto brightness off and it has no effect on trackball led.....
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I have auto brightness off and it has no effect on trackball led.....
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yes ive been playing with the power control widget since first flash. no joy. thanks for the idea, have anymore?
anyone?
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Trackball Alert
There's a dude from the uk that builds an app for N1 that brings the ability to choose your own color and rate of the trackball lite. Try to send him an email see if he wants to jump in. The app is called Trackball alert. Its says its only for the N1 though.
Hope you can find a solution.
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There's a dude from the uk that builds an app for N1 that brings the ability to choose your own color and rate of the trackball lite. Try to send him an email see if he wants to jump in. The app is called Trackball alert. Its says its only for the N1 though.
Hope you can find a solution.
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yeah ive seen the app. i will make sure to do that, i hope the brits want to help.
im sure us on xda.could find a solution, however.
i really hope sprint doesnt plan on releasing 2.1 like this. id be sorely disappointed.
Believe me, I understand what it's like to have a feature that's important to me and nobody else seems to care about. We all paid good money for these phones, and continue to pay good money every month for service, so I think that gives us each the right to at least ask about the things that we care about. (Well, unless you're trying to use Sprint VVM instead of GV. That's just plain dumb.....)
As far as the trackball light behavior goes, I think your probably screwed. That's something that will most likely have to be changed in the source code of whatever is controlling it. That seems to me like something that's probably coded in at a very low level of the OS itself. (Well, not the OS, actually. The OS is Linux. But it's probably hardcoded into the Android framework.)
As good a job as the rom devs on xda do, it's not like they're actually creating this software. They're just taking what others have created and packaging it in a way that works on our phones. My guess is that the people who can make the change you're asking for work in HTC's offices...
As far as the different colors, good luck. There's a reason that tweak only works on the N1. It's the only phone that has different colored LEDs back there to light up. You can be the best programmer in the world, but you still can't turn on a red light if the only light available is white......
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Believe me, I understand what it's like to have a feature that's important to me and nobody else seems to care about. We all paid good money for these phones, and continue to pay good money every month for service, so I think that gives us each the right to at least ask about the things that we care about. (Well, unless you're trying to use Sprint VVM instead of GV. That's just plain dumb.....)
As far as the trackball light behavior goes, I think your probably screwed. That's something that will most likely have to be changed in the source code of whatever is controlling it. That seems to me like something that's probably coded in at a very low level of the OS itself. (Well, not the OS, actually. The OS is Linux. But it's probably hardcoded into the Android framework.)
As good a job as the rom devs on xda do, it's not like they're actually creating this software. They're just taking what others have created and packaging it in a way that works on our phones. My guess is that the people who can make the change you're asking for work in HTC's offices...
As far as the different colors, good luck. There's a reason that tweak only works on the N1. It's the only phone that has different colored LEDs back there to light up. You can be the best programmer in the world, but you still can't turn on a red light if the only light available is white......
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i exchanged a pm woth regaw, who is working closely with damage in building and testing the leaks. he seems fairly certain its a matter of messing with an xml file. lets cross our fingers for more information.
anyone have any clue what.xml file defines when and how the tb lights up?
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he seems fairly certain its a matter of messing with an xml file. lets cross our fingers for more information.
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That could be, too. Will be cool if it is. I'm still working on getting a full understanding of the Android framework, but that could be in an xml file now that I think about it.
That said, I stand by my point that these guys aren't exactly writing software from scratch. There comes a point where they can only do so much with the programs that they're repackaging.
Once that point is reached, it's really not fair or realistic to ask them to do much more until the real developers release new software and it gets leaked again.
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That could be, too. Will be cool if it is. I'm still working on getting a full understanding of the Android framework, but that could be in an xml file now that I think about it.
That said, I stand by my point that these guys aren't exactly writing software from scratch. There comes a point where they can only do so much with the programs that they're repackaging.
Once that point is reached, it's really not fair or realistic to ask them to do much more until the real developers release new software and it gets leaked again.
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i comletely understand what you mean, and whole heartidly agree. damage is getting these leaks from someone and simply modifying for beytter performance, and working out the bugs sprint hasnt quite got ironed out yet.
but!
originally, these 2.1 roms were based on the eris and legend leaks, meaning the devs have a sound understanding of taking the given software and rewriting it to work on the sprint network/our hardware
it can be done, a simple edit of an xml file, and if we team up, i see no reason it couldnt be done, and rather easily at that.
i dp regret i have no knowledge in this regard, but i know its a patch alot of peoe would jump on and definatly appreciate. damage and all the rest are artists, maybe its time we give baxk, ya know? i wish i could be more of a help, but for.now, all i can do it bring the devs together in hopes to make a speedy and stable patch.
if any devs are reading this, i just want you to know us here at xda do appreciate your work, and i hope us joes.can give back in someway.
i guess edits dont bump lol
sooo...
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can someone help?
is no one awake?
its fridaaaaay!
im off for the night...any late night noobs or pros wanna take a look, you can easily use root explorer to view and edit the files, hopefully youll have more luck than i have (remember its a xml file!)
sys/class/leds/button-backlight/
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correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think Damaged2.15 even touches those portions of the OS. I think you should be looking in the /system/lib/hw/ folder.
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correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think Damaged2.15 even touches those portions of the OS. I think you should be looking in the /system/lib/hw/ folder.
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okokokok, let me take a look
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I think that there are conflicts within there. most of those files are self explanitory, but what are the gralloc.default.so and gralloc.msm7k.so libs? IIRC the droid guys had keyboard issues and those files were included in the fix, so its possible they affect the lighting in some way. I don't think we can pull those files though, it didn't seem to want to boot after that. I think gralloc also has to do with opengl.
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correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think Damaged2.15 even touches those portions of the OS. I think you should be looking in the /system/lib/hw/ folder.
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dammit, i was just trying to sleep.
i was told the file we need is an xml file, and i dont see any in there. HOWEVER; i do see lights.msm7k.so
and sensors.goldfish.so/sensors.heroc.so
which one should i look at first?
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I think that there are conflicts within there. most of those files are self explanitory, but what are the gralloc.default.so and gralloc.msm7k.so libs? IIRC the droid guys had keyboard issues and those files were included in the fix, so its possible they affect the lighting in some way. I don't think we can pull those files though, it didn't seem to want to boot after that. I think gralloc also has to do with opengl.
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i was wondering what those two were also...no idea
i DO know the file we need to fix is xlm file...should be just a change of a command (or perhaps an addon) but i dont see a single xlm in the entire system/ folder...
suggestions?
Okay, so thanks to some members for helping me find this homescreen replacement. However, I have searched for hours looking for some kind of mod for this thing, and I haven't found a one. Is it not possible to manually tweak settings like color, for instance? I can't believe this UI isn't as hyped as I find it to be.
So, can we get some devs on this to give us some tweaks and start a thread?
I know what you mean. I just d.l.'d it and really like the design/idea of it all. Right now it is very limited to what you can tweak. If you go to thier website and check out the forum over there, alot of people are giving thier ideas of what they would like to see done to this app. Hopefully the dev's are listening....
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I know what you mean. I just d.l.'d it and really like the design/idea of it all. Right now it is very limited to what you can tweak. If you go to thier website and check out the forum over there, alot of people are giving thier ideas of what they would like to see done to this app. Hopefully the dev's are listening....
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Yeah, but I think the requests are falling on deaf ears. Multiple people are saying over in their forums are saying they are simply doing compatibility updates now. I thought some Devs here at XDA could take matters into their own hands. But I just don't think there are enough people interested in it, you know? At the time of this post, 395 views of this thread and only one reply. Supply and demand, we need more people to speak up!
Very true. I'm gonna hang on to the free version for a while and see what happens. Time will tell.
I stick using this for a long time. a bit sad I couldn't "beautify" my home like others do. but in my opinion the standards color scheme are the best there is. and don't you think modding it (like adding a shortcut to one page of widget screen or a dash of power control which I really want as an upgrade) is the same as altering the whole program? is that against licencing problem? I'm quite a noob in this area...
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I stick using this for a long time. a bit sad I couldn't "beautify" my home like others do. but in my opinion the standards color scheme are the best there is. and don't you think modding it (like adding a shortcut to one page of widget screen or a dash of power control which I really want as an upgrade) is the same as altering the whole program? is that against licencing problem? I'm quite a noob in this area...
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I have no idea. It seem's that it would be, but then again, people are porting SENSE over to non-HTC devices as well, so who knows? I don't know if the free version is open source or not.