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Receiving Moto X DE (GSM) soon, should I stay with JB?

Does new phone come with JB? If so should I stay with it and not to accept OTA?
It seems that Kitkat update introduced several issues (problem with email syncing, bluetooth incompatibility wit some cars, etc). Is there anything else? I am fine with not having the latest and greatest.
Also: is it possible to downgrade Moto X DE (GSM) back to JB? I am not 100% sure from reading this forum.

The kit Kat update had issues but nothing on the scale of the Samsung galaxy family's 4.3 update. I haven't noticed any issue on mine nor any on customers. Totally worth upgrading it.
Sent from my Lumia 928

The only issue I am having with mine is that while it says its connected to web (either lte or wifi) it won't actually connect. A reboot fixes the issue until it comes back.

texanman said:
The only issue I am having with mine is that while it says its connected to web (either lte or wifi) it won't actually connect. A reboot fixes the issue until it comes back.
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Did you have this issue while on JB?

Dont know as mine came with 4.4 which did not have this weird issue. It may be something I installed so a wipe may be in order.

Go to KK, no question
tapped out via XT1053 DE

The only issue I had was Google maps not showing my direct location with high accuracy on. It was hard for me to distinguish if I needed to go right or left then it has a hard time rerouting. Which pissed my wife off lol.
MOTO X Slapped

It will come with KitKat, and good luck not bricking the phone trying to downgrade it.
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Don't forget text reflow has been deprecated. Major loss in browsers and reading apps.
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@rbiter said:
Don't forget text reflow has been deprecated. Major loss in browsers and reading apps. Blink is in web view. Also means invert lost.
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Sent from my XT1053 using HoFo mobile app.

eksasol said:
It will come with KitKat, and good luck not bricking the phone trying to downgrade it.
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Mine arrived with 4.2.2 installed, (2 weeks ago) and it took two updates to get to 4.4, 1'st 4.2.2 then 4.4. No regrets on the update for me, but then again I let the updates fly when I turned on the phone.

eksasol said:
It will come with KitKat, and good luck not bricking the phone trying to downgrade it.
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Just got my vzw DE wednesday, 2/12/2014. Came with 4.2.2 pre-camera update. soon as it booted it took the 4.2.2 camera update, then shortly after that came 4.4. did all the updates then unlocked the bootloader, installed twrp and rooted. happy as a clam!

Teksu said:
Just got my vzw DE wednesday, 2/12/2014. Came with 4.2.2 pre-camera update. soon as it booted it took the 4.2.2 camera update, then shortly after that came 4.4. did all the updates then unlocked the bootloader, installed twrp and rooted. happy as a clam!
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let me make this blunt before you even get your phone
your phone is a DE so you can root any version
is you come with 4.2.2 camera update or 4.4 you can upgrade and downgrade between thouse two versions only
if your phone comes with 4.4.2 you can not downgrade at all so just root it and enjoy because most people are trying to get there and bricking there phones half the time.
if you have any other question please post or PM me

dray_jr said:
let me make this blunt before you even get your phone
your phone is a DE so you can root any version
is you come with 4.2.2 camera update or 4.4 you can upgrade and downgrade between thouse two versions only
if your phone comes with 4.4.2 you can not downgrade at all so just root it and enjoy because most people are trying to get there and bricking there phones half the time.
if you have any other question please post or PM me
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That makes it very clear. But can you elaborate on why downgrade from 4.4.2 is not possible? I currently use rooted Droid Incredible on Verizon with CM 7.1 and if I am not mistaken I can flash pretty much any previous ROM I want (I really haven't tinkered with it for last couple of years, so I may be wrong).

JoeSchmoe007 said:
That makes it very clear. But can you elaborate on why downgrade from 4.4.2 is not possible? I currently use rooted Droid Incredible on Verizon with CM 7.1 and if I am not mistaken I can flash pretty much any previous ROM I want (I really haven't tinkered with it for last couple of years, so I may be wrong).
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Moto changed the bootloader in 4.4.2 and they dont allow you to downgrade

Moto X DE - mine coming soon as well - some questions
dray_jr said:
Moto changed the bootloader in 4.4.2 and they dont allow you to downgrade
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My VZW Moto X DE is on its way to me, and I've spent a bunch of time on the forums yet still have the following questions and hope you can help. My current phone is an original Droid Incredible, which I rooted, mostly for recovery, backups, tethering, and system monitoring. This site was a great resource back when I did that and I greatly appreciated the information.
RE: the Moto X, I've read the steps for unlocking the bootloader and which paths for upgrading/downgrading are safe given the release shipped with the phone. That information was for the standard Moto X. If the DE is unlocked, can I just go straight to rooting the phone? If the OTA updates won't work with root, is it best to accept the latest OTA pushes once my phone is online and then root? I want to be clear about what I've gained by getting the DE edition. Why go back to 4.4.2 if it ships with a later release?
I have no plans in the near future for changing ROM's. I'd just like to initially install what I am using on the Incredible - the clockworkmod recovery app (or current equivalent), titanium backuip, and a good tethering program. I currently use android wifi tether.
Thanks for any help.

dmm108 said:
My VZW Moto X DE is on its way to me, and I've spent a bunch of time on the forums yet still have the following questions and hope you can help. My current phone is an original Droid Incredible, which I rooted, mostly for recovery, backups, tethering, and system monitoring. This site was a great resource back when I did that and I greatly appreciated the information.
RE: the Moto X, I've read the steps for unlocking the bootloader and which paths for upgrading/downgrading are safe given the release shipped with the phone. That information was for the standard Moto X. If the DE is unlocked, can I just go straight to rooting the phone? If the OTA updates won't work with root, is it best to accept the latest OTA pushes once my phone is online and then root? I want to be clear about what I've gained by getting the DE edition.
I have no plans in the near future for changing ROM's. I'd just like to initially install what I am using on the Incredible - the clockworkmod recovery app (or current equivalent), titanium backuip, and a good tethering program. I currently use android wifi tether.
Thanks for any help.
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I have a dev ed and keep mine the same way you intend... What I've gleaned so far is that the each update includes a new bootloader version that cannot be downgraded, i.e. if you take 4.4.2 you cannot downgrade to 4.4. At this point the VZW version only has 4.4.
As far as getting the phone to how you want it after you take the upgrades the material in the following two links should get you right where you want to be...
Custom recovery...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2424110
Verizon boot animation and tether hack...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2645343
He kind of muddied it up by adding other cleanup tools that I'm not interested in, if you're like me and only want the tether hack you will need to go to the 140.45.5 folder in his link and download xt1060-140.45.5-vzw-removal-s.zip He also has an undo zip that you might want to download and stash away just in case.
This part is speculative and potentially dangerous so take with a grain of salt and correct me if I'm wrong.
My understanding is that the big issue from the downgrade is that there will be a partition table mismatch if one takes an OTA upgrade and the phone will be bricked, though I can find nothing solid on this. Being that I plan on keeping a custom recovery I don't have to worry about accidentally taking an OTA and for some reason prefer to have the ability to downgrade, when 4.4.2 comes out I'm going to try to flash everything but the bootloader and I believe the partition table, (I need to read more and understand more before I speak with authority) to see if I can get away with it.
Also, on a side note, I found that freezing pre installed apps/bloat destroyed the wonderful battery life I was getting so I would suggest you keep your phone stock for a few days to get a feel for how the phone behaves before you begin freezing bloat.
Enjoy your new toy!

edthesped said:
I have a dev ed and keep mine the same way you intend... What I've gleaned so far is that the each update includes a new bootloader version that cannot be downgraded, i.e. if you take 4.4.2 you cannot downgrade to 4.4. At this point the VZW version only has 4.4.
As far as getting the phone to how you want it after you take the upgrades the material in the following two links should get you right where you want to be...
Custom recovery...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2424110
Verizon boot animation and tether hack...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2645343
He kind of muddied it up by adding other cleanup tools that I'm not interested in, if you're like me and only want the tether hack you will need to go to the 140.45.5 folder in his link and download xt1060-140.45.5-vzw-removal-s.zip He also has an undo zip that you might want to download and stash away just in case.
This part is speculative and potentially dangerous so take with a grain of salt and correct me if I'm wrong.
My understanding is that the big issue from the downgrade is that there will be a partition table mismatch if one takes an OTA upgrade and the phone will be bricked, though I can find nothing solid on this. Being that I plan on keeping a custom recovery I don't have to worry about accidentally taking an OTA and for some reason prefer to have the ability to downgrade, when 4.4.2 comes out I'm going to try to flash everything but the bootloader and I believe the partition table, (I need to read more and understand more before I speak with authority) to see if I can get away with it.
Also, on a side note, I found that freezing pre installed apps/bloat destroyed the wonderful battery life I was getting so I would suggest you keep your phone stock for a few days to get a feel for how the phone behaves before you begin freezing bloat.
Enjoy your new toy!
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Thanks for that information. The last paragrapht seems counter-intuitive. I froze apps on the incredible so that it would reduce battery drain, why would freezing apps increase battery drain?

dmm108 said:
Thanks for that information. The last paragrapht seems counter-intuitive. I froze apps on the incredible so that it would reduce battery drain, why would freezing apps increase battery drain?
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No idea, but freezing moto apps killed the battery. I haven't figured out what the culprit is yet as I'll be travelling this week and I don't want to jack up the phone while I'm on the road. I suspect another system app was spending effort looking for a missing app. Had I not ran my phone stock for a week I may have assumed that was just the phone as the high battery use was about the same as what I typically got on my S3. However, once I started freezing apps battery life went way down. Battery is good again after defrosting all Moto stuff that I assumed to be garbage. Once I get off the road I'll start freezing apps one at a time to see if I can isolate the culprit.
My thought is if you run it stock for a week you'll have a pretty good feel as to how the phone performs so you'll know whether your tweaks are helping or hurting you.

edthesped said:
Verizon boot animation and tether hack...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2645343
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Now that I'm looking at a full size computer I see that you are not getting a VZW version, The link above is not good! Sorry

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Now that I'm looking at a full size computer I see that you are not getting a VZW version, The link above is not good! Sorry
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Yes, I am getting the Verizon DE. (VZW, 1st post).

[Q] Checking for OTA Update Error

Just got the Verizon Moto X and now I am attempting to update it to the latest version (Android 4.4.2). I am currently on Android 4.2.2, which came with the phone out of the box. Whenever I go to About Phone > System Updates, it says "Checking for an available update" for a second and then the error message "An unexpected error has occured. Please try again later." pops up. I tried talking to Verizon (they redirected me to Motorola) and Motorola, where I was sent through the standard troubleshooting steps by someone who clearly didn't know anything about the phone. I tried restarting the phone, wiping the phone's cache, and looking for updates through the Motorola Device Manager on my computer (which said that my phone was up to date, even though it clearly isn't). Is there anything else I can do before I try a factory reset? I would prefer to download the OTA, but I have experience with rooting and installing custom ROMs, so if I have to install the update manually, I will (if it gets to that step, I will probably end up installing the 4.4.4 update which got sent out to soak testers).

mikestrong19 said:
Just got the Verizon Moto X and now I am attempting to update it to the latest version (Android 4.4.2). I am currently on Android 4.2.2, which came with the phone out of the box. Whenever I go to About Phone > System Updates, it says "Checking for an available update" for a second and then the error message "An unexpected error has occured. Please try again later." pops up. I tried talking to Verizon (they redirected me to Motorola) and Motorola, where I was sent through the standard troubleshooting steps by someone who clearly didn't know anything about the phone. I tried restarting the phone, wiping the phone's cache, and looking for updates through the Motorola Device Manager on my computer (which said that my phone was up to date, even though it clearly isn't). Is there anything else I can do before I try a factory reset? I would prefer to download the OTA, but I have experience with rooting and installing custom ROMs, so if I have to install the update manually, I will (if it gets to that step, I will probably end up installing the 4.4.4 update which got sent out to soak testers).
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Do NOT upgrade until you've read another 24 hours on this board!!!!! I think you should take a second look at your status and see if you misread 4.4.2 as 4.2.2

If I may ask, why not update?

mikestrong19 said:
If I may ask, why not update?
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If you dont mind having an unrootable phone than update.
4.2.2 and 4.4 is fully rootable and able to disable write protection, 4.4.2 and newer is not. once you upgrade past 4.4 you lose ability to gain write and root.

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If you dont mind having an unrootable phone than update.
4.2.2 and 4.4 is fully rootable and able to disable write protection, 4.4.2 and newer is not. once you upgrade past 4.4 you lose ability to gain write and root.
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Oh OK, that makes sense. Thanks for the info. I have another phone that I use for rooting, ROMs, etc. The Moto X is currently my daily phone, and I need it to be stable, so I am not worried about rooting or anything like that. Just want the latest stock Android version on there.
I just talked to Motorola on the phone again, and they went through the same standard checklist (restart, wipe cache, factory reset -- none of which worked). At this point, they are going to exchange my current phone for a new one, which works out for me. The Moto X I bought was used, so I am getting a new phone for a used price in a convoluted way.

mikestrong19 said:
Oh OK, that makes sense. Thanks for the info. I have another phone that I use for rooting, ROMs, etc. The Moto X is currently my daily phone, and I need it to be stable, so I am not worried about rooting or anything like that. Just want the latest stock Android version on there.
I just talked to Motorola on the phone again, and they went through the same standard checklist (restart, wipe cache, factory reset -- none of which worked). At this point, they are going to exchange my current phone for a new one, which works out for me. The Moto X I bought was used, so I am getting a new phone for a used price in a convoluted way.
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Wow, what a waste. You could have just flashed the entire STOCK SBF as per the Return to Stock thread, and avoided costing Moto money, and hence raising the prices for everybody... :/
This would have repaired any filesystem corruption/damage, which is the only conceivable thing that might have caused your issue.

Your new one will probably have 4.4.2....which means no write protection disabling.
D'oh!
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You could have had FULL root on 4.2.2.

XT1053 OTA 5.1 update unsuccessful

Hi
I've run into a problem while trying to update my Moto X (gen 1) XT1053 from 4.4.4. to 5.1. through standard OTA update. Here is the scenario:
- My phone is not unlocked or rooted, nor does it have modified firmware of any type. It is a fully stock XT1053 purchased directly from Motorola in the US that I have not tinkered with in anyway
- My phone downloaded and applied the update on Saturday morning and after the first section of the install rebooted. It sat at the screen with the M and "powered by android" at the bottom and vibrated once, then the screen went off, the same screen came back on and the phone vibrated again. Then an Android on it's back with a red exclamation and "Command" was shown.
- I figured out how to get into the recovery menu and wiped the cache, rebooted and no change. I then attempted to factory reset the phone, it did this but again no change.
- I spoke with a Motorola chat representative who was unable to help but I managed to follow some instructions on this forum to enter the fast boot menu, download and re-flash android stock 4.4.4 using RSDlite and get the phone working again.
- The phone attempted to apply the 5.1 update again yesterday and encountered the same issue again.
Would anyone have any ideas about what could be going wrong with the update process? Or ways that I can go about getting this to install correctly. The motorola rep seemed to think it was to do with my carrier, but as it was downloaded over wifi can this be the case?
If not, would anyone know how to stop android from continously prompting me to update to 5.1? I'm happy to remain on 4.4.4. if it means the phone will still remain functional.
Thanks in advance for your help.

Did you try going to settings and about phone, update
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Correct, the update was applied through settings > about phone > system update

Delta117nz said:
Would anyone have any ideas about what could be going wrong with the update process? Or ways that I can go about getting this to install correctly. The motorola rep seemed to think it was to do with my carrier, but as it was downloaded over wifi can this be the case?
If not, would anyone know how to stop android from continously prompting me to update to 5.1? I'm happy to remain on 4.4.4. if it means the phone will still remain functional.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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If you prefer to stay with a working 4.4.4 then you can try disabling some apps related to the OTA, like I think Motorola OTA used to be there although I don't see it now in 5.1, or Motorola Update Services, which now looks like you can't disable but anything you can't disable you can try unchecking "Show Notifications", and so on. if you check around the forum you'll find something that works.
On the other hand if you want to try to get 5.1 working you could try applying the OTA from recovery. while on 4.4.4 you download the OTA (see this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61304089&postcount=864 ) and then boot into stock recovery and choose to apply update from sd. hopefully it will work that way. ***Be aware however that by going from your failed 5.1 update back down to 4.4.4 as you said you did, you have put your phone at risk of bricking when you try to go back up to 5.1. since you've already tried it once, you might be willing to try it again, but just know that there is that risk and its on you if it bricks and you lose your working 4.4.4
Oh and you do have another option, you can stay on 4.4.4 until Motorola releases the whole 5.1 firmware or someone managed to get it, then you can flash 5.1 firmware with rsdlite like you did with 4.4.4

dtg7 said:
If you prefer to stay with a working 4.4.4 then you can try disabling some apps related to the OTA, like I think Motorola OTA used to be there although I don't see it now in 5.1, or Motorola Update Services, which now looks like you can't disable but anything you can't disable you can try unchecking "Show Notifications", and so on. if you check around the forum you'll find something that works.
On the other hand if you want to try to get 5.1 working you could try applying the OTA from recovery. while on 4.4.4 you download the OTA (see this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61304089&postcount=864 ) and then boot into stock recovery and choose to apply update from sd. hopefully it will work that way. ***Be aware however that by going from your failed 5.1 update back down to 4.4.4 as you said you did, you have put your phone at risk of bricking when you try to go back up to 5.1. since you've already tried it once, you might be willing to try it again, but just know that there is that risk and its on you if it bricks and you lose your working 4.4.4
Oh and you do have another option, you can stay on 4.4.4 until Motorola releases the whole 5.1 firmware or someone managed to get it, then you can flash 5.1 firmware with rsdlite like you did with 4.4.4
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Thanks dtg7, I'll give that a try in the next day or so (updating via the recovery menu) otherwise will hold out for the 5.1 firmware and try RSDlite again.

dtg7 said:
If you prefer to stay with a working 4.4.4 then you can try disabling some apps related to the OTA, like I think Motorola OTA used to be there although I don't see it now in 5.1, or Motorola Update Services, which now looks like you can't disable but anything you can't disable you can try unchecking "Show Notifications", and so on. if you check around the forum you'll find something that works.
On the other hand if you want to try to get 5.1 working you could try applying the OTA from recovery. while on 4.4.4 you download the OTA (see this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61304089&postcount=864 ) and then boot into stock recovery and choose to apply update from sd. hopefully it will work that way. ***Be aware however that by going from your failed 5.1 update back down to 4.4.4 as you said you did, you have put your phone at risk of bricking when you try to go back up to 5.1. since you've already tried it once, you might be willing to try it again, but just know that there is that risk and its on you if it bricks and you lose your working 4.4.4
Oh and you do have another option, you can stay on 4.4.4 until Motorola releases the whole 5.1 firmware or someone managed to get it, then you can flash 5.1 firmware with rsdlite like you did with 4.4.4
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Worked perfectly downloading the OTA update and applying through the recovery screen. Thanks for your help

XT1060 Downgrade from Lollipop to Kitkat

Been on lollipop for a bit now and I'm just not digging it. I don't like the double slide-down on the status bar, don't like that gravitybox doesn't seem to work well, I keep getting random reboots, and as far as I can tell, removable media doesn't seem to be working.
I've got a Verizon XT1060 developer edition and I'm unlocked. Upgraded from kitkat via OTA updates but did a factory reset of everything first, took the few small OTAs, then to lollipop.
I've been reading around about downgrading but it seems the majority of the posts with the danger danger notes are either for people who've been flashing stuff that wasn't officially for their phone, don't have developer edition devices, have root but don't want to lose it, etc.
What's the skinny on going back to the latest official kitkat version with a fully unlocked, XT1060? Can I just go grab the 4.4.4 image files from Motorola and flash ALL of them? Or do I need to skip flashing a couple files in there?
Kinda pissed that this update isn't going well. I suppose there's a chance I need to flash the stock files once Motorola posts them that'd help but that'll be a while and it's not going to change gravitybox support and the features I'm not digging.
Mike

Getting Rid of Lollipop

Hi all. I used to be somewhat tech savvy (I built computers, overclocked them, knew a bit of unix, even got MAC OS running on a PC when they made the change to intel) but it's been ages since I really delved into any tech. So bear with me, the world of android is all new to me.
I have a XT1056, otherwise a Sprint Moto X 1st Gen. Sprint has long been dropped as a carrier and I use the phone more so as a computer/multimedia device.
I held off on updating to Lollipop but finally gave in. The major changes since switching has been :
1. Battery drains twice as fast
2. Overall slowdown
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3. MAJOR WiFi problems. I cannot connect to WiFi networks I previously could. Well I can connect they just don't work except for the first 30 seconds when I actually connect to the network. Even though I'm getting a strong signal it refuses to actually do anything on the network.
A factory reset didn't help.
I want to downgrade back to kitkat or even jellybean.
So far I have followed a guide that says to use RSD. I have the firmware (or ROM, What's the difference ?) for kitkat and lellybean. I've installed the Android SDK and Motorola USB Drivers.
However the flash always fails returning me :
downgraded security version
update gpt_main version failed
preflash validation failed for GPT
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RSD sees the phone just fine.
I even went ahead and got the unlock code and have unlocked the bootloader. It says "Device is UNLOCKED. Status Code 3" (status code 3 ??)
Really I'm now at a loss, with lollipop my phone is basically a brick. All I want is to be able to return to KitKat or Jellybean. I've read multiple guides (like using ODIN ?) but I really don't know what I should do.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, I just want my phone back to being able to pick up WiFi and I'm not opposed to running custom ROMS either.

Just get up to Marshmallow. None of the problems you mention.

Even I downgraded today, sick of the bugs in lollipop. I think the problem is that you flashed an older bootloader over a newer one, which caused a brick. You should download the stock 5.1 factory image for your model and flash it with rsd lite or manually(look it up in the general section). Then follow this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/guide-faq-how-to-downgrade-5-1-to-4-4-4-t3182118
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Status code 3 means bootloader is unlocked

Sashwat Deb said:
You should download the stock 5.1 factory image for your model
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Where are the stock 5.1 images for the XT1060?

JulesJam said:
Where are the stock 5.1 images for the XT1060?
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https://www.filefactory.com/folder/dd05c058d3ff8dbe/?sort=created&order=DESC&show=100&page=1
Find the latest firmware for XT1060. (5.1)