I've had many HTC phones in my time, HTC desire, desire hd, one x and one sv, now I have a one m7_ul, it's on the 401 ruu with hboot 1.57, currently running viperone sense 6 Rom, I've just paid to have it s-off by java card, as rumrunner and firewater didn't work for me.
What I would like to do now is remove the red text and also the TAMPERED and UNLOCKED messages from the bootloader screen, not sure how to proceed with this as like I said I am very new to s-off on the m7, but far from a noob with these devices, I know it involves flashing an unsecure hboot, but is there different ones for different versions of these phones, and where do I find them etc.
Tia
Seanie280672 said:
What I would like to do now is remove the red text
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You can remove the red text by flashing a custom hboot. The custom hboot must match your version. in your case you can use this one, instructions how to flash in the same thread. Be carefull with custom hboot, you can brick your phone in some conditions (i.e turning back s-on on a custom hboot)
imo, you should live with the red text and not flashing a modded hboot
and also the TAMPERED and UNLOCKED messages from the bootloader screen
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you can use this tool from custom recovery: http://www.htc1guru.com/guides/guru-bootloader-reset/
or you can do it using adb commands:
[how to] lock/unlock your bootloader without htcdev(s-off required)
[how to] remove your "tampered" banner
be careful with dd commands, better to copy/paste them
Seanie280672 said:
I've had many HTC phones in my time, HTC desire, desire hd, one x and one sv, now I have a one m7_ul, it's on the 401 ruu with hboot 1.57, currently running viperone sense 6 Rom, I've just paid to have it s-off by java card, as rumrunner and firewater didn't work for me.
What I would like to do now is remove the red text and also the TAMPERED and UNLOCKED messages from the bootloader screen, not sure how to proceed with this as like I said I am very new to s-off on the m7, but far from a noob with these devices, I know it involves flashing an unsecure hboot, but is there different ones for different versions of these phones, and where do I find them etc.
Tia
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to remove tampered, you can use this tool: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2527194
or scotty1223's adb commands (he has threads in the m7 general section, one for removing the tampered, and another one for locking/unlocking the bootloader)
though i recommend you keep bootloader unlocked
for the red text, you'll need to flash a "no red" modded hboot, for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2753631
(there are others too, but don't have any links handy, as I usually avoid messing around with hboot)
nkk71 said:
to remove tampered, you can use this tool: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2527194
or scotty1223's adb commands (he has threads in the m7 general section, one for removing the tampered, and another one for locking/unlocking the bootloader)
though i recommend you keep bootloader unlocked
for the red text, you'll need to flash a "no red" modded hboot, for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2753631
(there are others too, but don't have any links handy, as I usually avoid messing around with hboot)
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funny to see how we both answered to this one, with almost the same exact answer at the same time :laugh:
alray said:
funny to see how we both answered to this one, with almost the same exact answer at the same time :laugh:
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lol, i didn't see your post above
Thank you guys, I knew I could rely on you lot, don't ask for help very often because as my Mrs would tell you, I'm stubborn, and like to figure things out myself, it's the only way to learn, but when it's something as serious as flashing hboot, it's ask or brick.
I am aware that a custom hboot will instantly brick my phone if I return to s-on, but have no intentions of doing that, I've had to fight for s-off and here it is staying, I hate s-on.
Seanie280672 said:
I've had many HTC phones in my time, HTC desire, desire hd, one x and one sv, now I have a one m7_ul, it's on the 401 ruu with hboot 1.57, currently running viperone sense 6 Rom, I've just paid to have it s-off by java card, as rumrunner and firewater didn't work for me.
What I would like to do now is remove the red text and also the TAMPERED and UNLOCKED messages from the bootloader screen, not sure how to proceed with this as like I said I am very new to s-off on the m7, but far from a noob with these devices, I know it involves flashing an unsecure hboot, but is there different ones for different versions of these phones, and where do I find them etc.
Tia
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Hi I also hate the s-off already impossible to do both rumrunner and firewater.
Do not understand very well get s-off by paying with java card?
And how is that done? Sorry for my English worked with a translator.
thanks
gorka785 said:
Hi I also hate the s-off already impossible to do both rumrunner and firewater.
Do not understand very well get s-off by paying with java card?
And how is that done? Sorry for my English worked with a translator.
thanks
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It was a little back street mobile phone shop which I found in an area I visit regular, its kind of a hardware flash rather than software, its like it being reset by HTC themselves.
Java card = hardware reset
firewater / rumrunner = software reset
This is them and exactly what they did, doesn't matter which HBOOT you are on, notice how they plug a lead into the phone, it has a microsd card and reader attached to the other end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSrrd-ayphE
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First of all, I want to say hello to all of you. HTC One is my first HTC smartphone (I'm coming from Samsung devices). There is many significant differences between those two brands when it comes to rooting and moding the software. Still there are some things that are unclear for me and I would appreciate any answers from experienced users or developers.
Some facts about my phone:
Unlocked and S-OFF by revone
SuperCID
Android Revolution HD 12.2 custom rom
Now the main question is: In some cases it is important to update phone with firmware.zip (part of OTA update) file which contains updated drivers, hboot, radio, etc. before flashing newer base of the custom rom. Will my phone stay S-OFF'ed after the update (firmware.zip's contains newer hboots and that's what made me worried).
Thanks!
matee89 said:
First of all, I want to say hello to all of you. HTC One is my first HTC smartphone (I'm coming from Samsung devices). There is many significant differences between those two brands when it comes to rooting and moding the software. Still there are some things that are unclear for me and I would appreciate any answers from experienced users or developers.
Some facts about my phone:
Unlocked and S-OFF by revone
SuperCID
Android Revolution HD 12.2 custom rom
Now the main question is: In some cases it is important to update phone with firmware.zip (part of OTA update) file which contains updated drivers, hboot, radio, etc. before flashing newer base of the custom rom. Will my phone stay S-OFF'ed after the update (firmware.zip's contains newer hboots and that's what made me worried).
Thanks!
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Your phone will always stay s-off unless you specifically command it to go s-on. (which imo is a pointless thing to do)
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matee89 said:
First of all, I want to say hello to all of you. HTC One is my first HTC smartphone (I'm coming from Samsung devices). There is many significant differences between those two brands when it comes to rooting and moding the software. Still there are some things that are unclear for me and I would appreciate any answers from experienced users or developers.
Some facts about my phone:
Unlocked and S-OFF by revone
SuperCID
Android Revolution HD 12.2 custom rom
Now the main question is: In some cases it is important to update phone with firmware.zip (part of OTA update) file which contains updated drivers, hboot, radio, etc. before flashing newer base of the custom rom. Will my phone stay S-OFF'ed after the update (firmware.zip's contains newer hboots and that's what made me worried).
Thanks!
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You will stay S-off through a firmware upgrade. Once S-off, the only way to go S-on is to set the secure flag yourself
Thanks for clarifying this for me !
One more question. I need to relock the bootloader when flashing the firmware.zip, even if I'm S-OFF'ed right?
In case I'm relocked and S-OFF on hboot not supported by revone, can I still downgrade it to the 1.44 without any problems?
I just don't want to ever use htcdev for unlocking.
You shouldn't have yo lock to flash firmware, I didn't. As far as downgrading hboot, since you have s-off, you can downgrade as long as you don't go to s-on for any reason.
But there's not many reasons to downgrade, your phone will still be s-off, unlocked, and without tampered flag on the new hboot. If it does relock, I believe you can use revone to unlock it again, since you've already used the exploit to gain s-off.
Or you can skip all that BS and flash the GE hboot, which can be locked or unlocked by "fastboot OEM lock/unlock"
AT&T HTC One
Baadnewz's InsertCoin 3.0-14
Flar2's Bulletproof 4.3
Actually, I found a great topic with firmware flashing guide by Volmer http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2365506.
So I didn't need to relock my bootloader or had to wipe anything. For couple of minutes ago, I've updated my firmware from 1.29.x to 2.24 (with updated touch drivers etc.). Worked like charm I've got the newest hboot 1.54 and still S-OFF and unlocked
Thanks for info guys!
matee89 said:
Will my phone stay S-OFF'ed after the update (firmware.zip's contains newer hboots and that's what made me worried).
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There are only a couple of ways to go back to s-on, and they are almost impossible to do accidentally. For practical purposes, unless you were to accept an OTA that HTC specifically designed to reverse s-off (something they have never done and are unlikely to ever do), you are s-off until you decide otherwise.
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There are only a couple of ways to go back to s-on, and they are almost impossible to do accidentally. For practical purposes, unless you were to accept an OTA that HTC specifically designed to reverse s-off (something they have never done and are unlikely to ever do), you are s-off until you decide otherwise.
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That is, unless you go around flashing zips that are labeled "for development purposes only". A few people on here have flashed things when they didn't know what they're doing (and some that know exactly what they're doing) and lost s-off. After that you're stuck with s-on and hboot 1.54.
AT&T HTC One
Baadnewz's InsertCoin 3.0-14
Flar2's Bulletproof 4.3
CoryTallman said:
That is, unless you go around flashing zips that are labeled "for development purposes only". A few people on here have flashed things when they didn't know what they're doing (and some that know exactly what they're doing) and lost s-off. After that you're stuck with s-on and hboot 1.54.
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That is one of the ways, actually. If you flash an s-on package with the p3 partition, where the secureflag is stored, that will do it. While one cannot flash things accidentally, I suppose it is possible to accidentally reset your secureflag if you're dumb enough to flash any old firmware package you find.
If that's you, you're one of those people who has to learn things the hard way, and your phone will pay the price.
iElvis said:
That is one of the ways, actually. If you flash an s-on package with the p3 partition, where the secureflag is stored, that will do it. While one cannot flash things accidentally, I suppose it is possible to accidentally reset your secureflag if you're dumb enough to flash any old firmware package you find.
If that's you, you're one of those people who has to learn things the hard way, and your phone will pay the price.
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As unlikely as all that is, I figured it would be worth noting. Since Murphys law says that if you tell someone its impossible to lose s-off through flashing firmware, they're going to go find the only old firmware package floating around that would break their s-off.
AT&T HTC One
Baadnewz's InsertCoin 3.0-14
Flar2's Bulletproof 4.3
So I read about S-OFF and I can gather that it has something to do with unlocking the bootloader. I'm a little confused since I just went to the HTC website and did the official unlock steps, I'm now rooted with clockworkmod CM10.2, and my bootloader is S-ON.
Basically, I never did S-OFF so I'm confused about why it's so important and why didn't I have to do it?
Stephen304 said:
So I read about S-OFF and I can gather that it has something to do with unlocking the bootloader. I'm a little confused since I just went to the HTC website and did the official unlock steps, I'm now rooted with clockworkmod CM10.2, and my bootloader is S-ON.
Basically, I never did S-OFF so I'm confused about why it's so important and why didn't I have to do it?
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Its not important at all
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With S-off you can flash everything you want on your phone . Downgrade is a most comun reason.
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Stephen304 said:
So I read about S-OFF and I can gather that it has something to do with unlocking the bootloader. I'm a little confused since I just went to the HTC website and did the official unlock steps, I'm now rooted with clockworkmod CM10.2, and my bootloader is S-ON.
Basically, I never did S-OFF so I'm confused about why it's so important and why didn't I have to do it?
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Some carriers are the only users option in their area.
Like for me, that carrier would be Verizon. They have great coverage.
But they also happen to be evil and had HTC block our HTC One's MID from being able to use the HTC Bootloader Unlock bin file.
It will fail the initial checks after getting the token from you.
We also have the 1.54 hboot as stock, so there is no using moonshine, or facepalm, or any other previous method as of yet.
So in order for poor folks with carriers that strongarm smaller companies like HTC into doing things against their wishes and our wishes,
S-off allows us to then change CID,MID, etc,...as well as then go and unlock the bootloader as we should be able to do by choice.
That's why they built it and added in a warranty void warning, so we could make that choice if we so choose.
Anyway, that should make it more clear to you now at least, sorry for the extra carrier rant, lol.
Plus the obvious other advantages of flashing radios, kernels, etc,...without doing fastboot.
Ah okay. So S-off does similar to the HTCDev unlock? If I used S-Off instead could I get rid of the ugly warning text on boot?
Htc dev unlock only needed partitions. S-off unlock ALL
Sent from my HTC 802w
Stephen304 said:
Ah okay. So S-off does similar to the HTCDev unlock? If I used S-Off instead could I get rid of the ugly warning text on boot?
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Yes you could get ride of the warning text with s-off, with s-on you cannot.
Everything what's said above + more , for example if htc one windows version ever gets ported s-off users can have it , we can also convert our device into ge edition / dev edition / flash whatever comes thru your mind , even splash screens , use modified bootloaders , we can also unlock bootloader without need of HTC official unlock process , we can lock it as well ( s-on can only relock it ) we can also completely hide we ever were rooted / unlocked for warranty reasons while s-on can't.
We can also use super cid which allows us to flash any ruu or use any region / carrier roms.
We can also downgrade bootloader or flash any other.
That's mainly it , also for example us with s-off have writeable partitions while for example s-on users still don't on 3.22 base.
And at the end maybe a good thing for you and some less advanced or less knowledgeable ppl s-on is a good thing since with s-on phone is practically indestructible software-wise , while with s-off small mistake even in fastboot could brick the device.
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santod040 said:
Plus the obvious other advantages of flashing radios, kernels, etc,...without doing fastboot.
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With the HTC One, you can flash radios and kernels in the recovery if you unlock the bootloader...
>> Sent from the abyss <<
Stephen304 said:
So I read about S-OFF and I can gather that it has something to do with unlocking the bootloader. I'm a little confused since I just went to the HTC website and did the official unlock steps, I'm now rooted with clockworkmod CM10.2, and my bootloader is S-ON.
Basically, I never did S-OFF so I'm confused about why it's so important and why didn't I have to do it?
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To get official OTA with updates to firmware, hboot and everything you have to get them from your carrier, and this depends on your CID. You cannot change this on S-ON. So basically your are bound to your carrier for life, they may but also may not release updates (like for ex. carriers in USA skipped 4.2 if I am not mistaken). You can of course flash custom ROM using dev unlock, but it won't update the firmware.
Ah okay thanks for the info! I have one more question about S-OFF if you don't mind: If I S-OFF and disable the red warning (flashing an unsigned fw), then S-ON again, would the warning come back?
If you do s-on with modified hboot will result an instant and forever brick. Dont do that.
Sent from my HTC 802w
Stephen304 said:
Ah okay thanks for the info! I have one more question about S-OFF if you don't mind: If I S-OFF and disable the red warning (flashing an unsigned fw), then S-ON again, would the warning come back?
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Why exactly would you want to go back to S-ON?
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Hey all, I recently acquired an HTC one m7 and I previously had an xperia z1. I had unlocked the bootloader and rooted my previous phone but coming to m7's page I've found that there are many things new here. First is the S-Off business.
I basically wanted to ask if there's a specific order in which I should go. For example S-off first, then root then unlock bootloader or anything like that.
And secondly, for the xperia line, there was a tool called Flashtool that basically did all the things you need to unlock/root your phone. I was wondering if there's something like that for the One M7 so that I can flash stock firmware if need be.
Also, I'm on kitkat 4.4.3 HBOOT 2.49 so should I keep some things in mind?
Also, what is CID?
Sorry for so many questions, any help is appreciated
Thank you!
uhh, I will tell you what i know here related to your questions.
Firstly, if you want to customize your phone, first thing is to unlock your bootloader which is easy to do. Then you need to flash a custom recovery. After that you can do what you like.as to s-off, if you don't have special requirements,I think it's not a must step.
Secondly,there is indeed a tool for htc one.you may find it in one's development forum.
May that help you!
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If I unlock bootloader before S-off, will I be able to get back "UNLOCKED" status or will it be "RELOCKED"
ggnoobteam said:
If I unlock bootloader before S-off, will I be able to get back "UNLOCKED" status or will it be "RELOCKED"
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yeah you can get back to full locked status, but only with s-off, be careful though, theres not alot about for the dual sim really, you can pretty much find everything in the general section for the dual. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2495697
I think for your HBOOT, use Rumrunner to s-off. http://rumrunner.us/
EDIT: sorry for your HBOOT version you needed to use firewater s-off tool, but as thats discontinued, you'll have to try sunshine s-off tool which will cost $25 if it can s-off your device, it will run some checks first, if it can then you pay and it proceeds, if it cant it will let you know why and you dont pay: http://theroot.ninja/
if I remember correctly, CID is carrier identification.
the main things that matter, and that you need to take note of it your planning on changing them are CID, MID, HBOOT version and OS or version main (same thing really)
Hi all. I just unlocked my HTC m7 (GSM) with HTCdev.com and then installed TWRP and used that to install SuperSU. After that, I ran Sunshine to get S-OFF, and then I ran Guru Bootloader Reset in order to remove the "tampered" flag. Then I set SuperCID to 11111111, and I think I'm ready to flash a rom (I"m looking at ViperOne, since I used it on my Sensation and liked it).
I'm on hboot 1.61. Is it worth downgrading to 1.44 so that I can easily get s-on/s-off in the future? If so, should I flash the new hboot before or after the rom? Does it matter?
Thanks all. I spent quite a bit of time flashing and testing roms on my HTC Touch Pro and then my HTC Sensation. I've held off for a couple of years, but I'm looking forward to playing around with my M7 again!
MPenguin said:
(...), I ran Sunshine to get S-OFF
(...)
I'm on hboot 1.61. Is it worth downgrading to 1.44 so that I can easily get s-on/s-off in the future? If so, should I flash the new hboot before or after the rom? Does it matter?
Thanks all. I spent quite a bit of time flashing and testing roms on my HTC Touch Pro and then my HTC Sensation. I've held off for a couple of years, but I'm looking forward to playing around with my M7 again!
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Your phone is already S-OFF why would you want to turn it back S-ON? Never go back S-ON, the only time it should be done is before sending the phone for repair under warranty. Going back S-ON is the same as intentionally locking your car with the keys left inside... And even if you go back S-ON why hboot 1.44 should make it easier to achieve S-OFF again? You just paid for Sunshine, you can use it as many time as you want on that phone + If you already have paid for Sunshine, its actually the easiest method to S-OFF your phone on any hboot version.
If I buy a SunShine license, can I use it on multiple phones?
No - one license is good for one device. You can reuse SunShine on that device, if necessary, we however NEVER recommending setting your device S-ON
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ref: http://theroot.ninja/faq.html
Another thing to know is that hboot 1.44 is incompatible with windows 8 and 10, so say goodbye to fastboot connectivity (fastboot commands) after flashing it, unless you are using a Mac, Win7 or Linux.
For your last question, it doesn't matter when you flash the hboot, if you need to flash one. Would recommend to stay on 1.61
Hello guys
Is it worth to s-off or I can install custom recovery and rom with no problem.
What are the benefits of s-off
S-off is good, as long as you can do it without issues. I broke my USB port while trying to s-off. I can't plug my phone into pc, it goes to car mode, and refuses to charge at all. Many people have faced this issue, and this is a software + hardware issue. Just warning you, tho im running ARHD with my own mods on it for about 2 years all without s-off.
Cheers ^_^
I've got hboot 1,61 so i need to know if it is worth buying sunshine or if a free option is avalible
AleXand3rr said:
I've got hboot 1,61 so i need to know if it is worth buying sunshine or if a free option is avalible
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As far as I know sunshine is the only way to get s-off on that hboot so you'll need to pay $25. On the matter if it's worth buying that's up to you. Personally s-off allows you to flash ROMs easily since you don't have to worry about firmware and I know some ROMs require s-off. Always research what could go wrong just to make sure you can s-off in the safest way.
AleXand3rr said:
Hello guys
Is it worth to s-off or I can install custom recovery and rom with no problem.
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You don't need S-OFF to flash a custom recovery nor a custom rom. Is it worth it? Well if you don't need it, no.
What are the benefits of s-off
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If you don't know what are the benefits of having S-OFF then you probably don't need it. Unlocking the bootloader remove the signature check and disable security from the /system, /boot, /recovery and /radio partitions so you can flash custom software like roms, kernel, recovery and radios. S-OFF remove the signature check and security on the remaining partitions like /hboot, /pg1fs, /pg2fs and /mfg which make it possible to flash flash unsigned firmware like a custom hboot for example. This also make possible to downgrade or change your firmware version. With access to the mfg partition you can change your MID number and with the pgfs partitions you can remove the ***tampered***, ***re-locked*** and ***security warning*** flags. S-OFF also enables some blocked "fastboot oem" commands like "fastboot oem writecid" which make it possible to change your CID number. Well a lots of useful things but nothing required to flash a custom recovery and rom.
alicarbovader said:
I broke my USB port while trying to s-off
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Achieving S-OFF itself can't broke your USB port, its most likely an hardware problem only or you did something wrong once s-off.
AleXand3rr said:
I've got hboot 1,61 so i need to know if it is worth buying sunshine or if a free option is avalible
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There isn't any free alternative to sunshine on hboot 1.61.
Mikecosta64 said:
Personally s-off allows you to flash ROMs easily since you don't have to worry about firmware
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Since he is already running hboot 1.61 he already have one of the latest 7.xx.xxx.x firmware version which is all he need to run all the recent roms. So even if he keep is phone S-ON, firmware isn't something to worry about.
and I know some ROMs require s-off
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Custom roms requires an unlocked bootloader only, not S-OFF. :good:
alray said:
Custom roms requires an unlocked bootloader only, not S-OFF. :good:
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Well most of them but Skydragon ROM for htc one m7 says it needs s-off and there are some kernels which require s-off as well. I've only seen one, don't remember the name of it.
Mikecosta64 said:
Well most of them
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All of them can be flashed with S-ON . There isn't anything justifying the need to have S-OFF when flashing a custom rom or kernel.
but Skydragon ROM for htc one m7 says it needs s-off
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Yeah I know its in the OP but you don't need s-off to flash and use it. There are a lot of members reporting successfully flashing this rom on a S-ON phone, even in the Skydragon thread.
and there are some kernels which require s-off as well. I've only seen one, don't remember the name of it.
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I never seen any kernel requiring S-OFF and that wouldn't make any sense since the kernel is written on /boot partition which is not a secured partition once the bootloader is unlocked.
alray said:
All of them can be flashed with S-ON . There isn't anything justifying the need to have S-OFF when flashing a custom rom or kernel.
Yeah I know its in the OP but you don't need s-off to flash and use it. There are a lot of members reporting successfully flashing this rom on a S-ON phone, even in the Skydragon thread.
I never seen any kernel requiring S-OFF and that wouldn't make any sense since the kernel is written on /boot partition which is not a secured partition once the bootloader is unlocked.
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Are you fairly knowledgeable about *old* HTC devices as well? (obviously you are very knowledgeable about current ones). Old meaning, gingerbread and older. I personally am not, but I'm wondering if the functions of S-on vs S-off have changed over the years. Because, if you run a basic google search for S-on vs S-off, the *vast majority* of the information you will find is false information-- or at least it is false now, but I do not know if it was always untrue. Countless websites that say "In order to root, you must be S-off." "In order to flash ROMs, you must have S-off." Stuff like that. I know the internet is full of false information, but it seems to me the amount of false information regarding S-off is disproportionate.. I find it odd.
That said...it's not completely necessary, but it *is* nice being able to remove the Tampered flag, and to have the red text be gone, and to be able to lock and unlock my bootloader and have it say 'locked" instead of "relocked." Is it even still the case that S-off allows you to flash the /system partition? I am S-off, and I have never been able to successfully flash /system. It always returns a permission denied error of some kind. Maybe it works with KitKat and below, and from Lollipop on you need an Eng bootloader to flash /system through fastboot?
I'm kinda curious how the one poster broke his usb port trying to S-off.... did it involve that one old S-off method that involved stripped wires...I think it was called the wire method.. I like the term "hot wiring"
firejuggler86 said:
Are you fairly knowledgeable about *old* HTC devices as well? (obviously you are very knowledgeable about current ones). Old meaning, gingerbread and older. I personally am not
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Me neither, my first HTC device was in 2012, the One X (Tegra variant)
but I'm wondering if the functions of S-on vs S-off have changed over the years.
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Probably, there a lot of old guides (back in the nexus one days) saying that you need S-OFF in order to ROOT which is false when speaking about the One M7 but not so false when speaking about the Verizon One M7 (this one requires s-off since bootloader unlock is not available from htcdev.com)
Because, if you run a basic google search for S-on vs S-off, the *vast majority* of the information you will find is false information-- or at least it is false now, but I do not know if it was always untrue. Countless websites that say "In order to root, you must be S-off." "In order to flash ROMs, you must have S-off." Stuff like that. I know the internet is full of false information, but it seems to me the amount of false information regarding S-off is disproportionate.. I find it odd.
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I think its a combination of false informations and outdated informations. For example, some ppl are still saying that you must flash the kernel (boot.img) using fastboot after flashing a custom rom on a S-ON phone. This was true for older HTC devices, but not needed on the M7 (and i guess newer devices) since the boot partition isn't secured and can now be flashed from custom recovery. There are some ppl confusing ROOT and Unlocked bootloader (they think unlocking the bootloader = rooting the phone which are 2 totally different things). A lor of outdated/false(or applying to a specific device only) information online. Better to look for the most recent information available for the correct device. :good:
That said...it's not completely necessary, but it *is* nice being able to remove the Tampered flag, and to have the red text be gone, and to be able to lock and unlock my bootloader and have it say 'locked" instead of "relocked."
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Yep, exactly what I was saying above, its very useful to have s-off. But is it needed to flash a custom recovery and rom (question asked at post #1)? Absolutely not.
Is it even still the case that S-off allows you to flash the /system partition?
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You don't need s-off to flash the system partition, only an unlocked bootloader but it can only be done from custom recovery, not from fastboot.
If you absolutely want to flash /system from fastboot then I suppose you can make a custom ruu.zip with the system image only and flash it in RUU mode. In this case you will need S-OFF since its required to flash an unsigned ruu.zip.
I'm kinda curious how the one poster broke his usb port trying to S-off.... did it involve that one old S-off method that involved stripped wires...I think it was called the wire method.. I like the term "hot wiring"
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Me too but imo its a coincidence only. The methods used to achieve S-OFF doesn't requires any hardware modification. You only have to use the appropriate exploit (software) for your bootloader version and the only one requiring your phone to be connected with a usb cable is rumrunner. The other exploits like Revone or Sunshine for example are running directly from your phone, without any computer. I'm 99.99% sure achieving s-off itself can't cause hardware damage since its done using software as opposed to the hot wiring method you described. Anyway what I'm saying in this thread might not apply for other HTC devices but I'm pretty sure everything I'm saying is 100% correct for the M7.
Yes. Plain and simple.