I am running android L on my Nexus 7 but i just wanted to know when will Xposed support the android version??
Or will it ever support android L
Android L is a preview version. So you shouldn't wait Xposed for this version. Maybe in few weeks or months we will have Android 4.5 or Android 5.0 with Xposed support :good:
Yeah.. I'm currently playing around with it a bit, trying to get adb working in root mode and stuff which makes it easier to develop.
It's indeed still a preview release, and it's a moving target (there are very strong signs that Google will update the preview before the final release). Root apps and even some normal apps don't work well at the moment. It's good that I can try what is necessary to get Xposed running, but I haven't decided yet whether I will work on a Xposed preview release for this preview ROM. I'll share some more thoughts once I had the chance to look deeper into it.
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Yeah.. I'm currently playing around with it a bit, trying to get adb working in root mode and stuff which makes it easier to develop.
It's indeed still a preview release, and it's a moving target (there are very strong signs that Google will update the preview before the final release). Root apps and even some normal apps don't work well at the moment. It's good that I can try what is necessary to get Xposed running, but I haven't decided yet whether I will work on a Xposed preview release for this preview ROM. I'll share some more thoughts once I had the chance to look deeper into it.
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if you can get xposed running in android L developer preview it will make xposed available to kitkat with art ?
PedroM.CostaAndrade said:
if you can get xposed running in android L developer preview it will make xposed available to kitkat with art ?
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How about you just let him work on it and see how it's goes.
There's literally no reason at all to bother him with questions, when he has something new to share he will, when he doesn't those questions will be just annoying to him. Not yours personally, but the sheer amount of people bombarding him with all kinds of art related questions just add up.
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if you can get xposed running in android L developer preview it will make xposed available to kitkat with art ?
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"Getting it running" is one thing, whether it's good to publish it is another question. I've had a prototype of Xposed for the ART preview in December already. Barely tested, needed manual installation, probably failing here and there, but generally it did what it should. But already back then, I've seen that Google is still working actively on improving ART. They have made huge internal changes since then. Last weekend, I made my prototype compile against the master branch of AOSP and I had to introduce lots of conditionals. That's without knowing whether it will actually work, I just changed declarations, calls etc. to avoid compile time errors.
The ART preview in KitKat and the ART almost-final in the Android L preview are different pieces of software. Maintaining support for both of them means basically twice the work, especially for testing. That, and the fact that ART in KitKat was just an optional preview (with potential bugs that may be incorrectly blamed on Xposed), makes it less likely that I will publish Xposed for the KitKat variant of ART. That's not a final decision, it depends on how ART development continues and how well I can support Android L. It's important that Xposed works fine on upcoming Android versions where ART is the only runtime. KitKat support would be a bonus if it's not too much effort to maintain in parallel.
Oh, and for everyone who thinks that posting "pleeeeease" or "you have to support it" will increase the chances of publishing something: It won't. It will just annoy me and make it less likely.
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How about you just let him work on it and see how it's goes.
There's literally no reason at all to bother him with questions, when he has something new to share he will, when he doesn't those questions will be just annoying to him. Not yours personally, but the sheer amount of people bombarding him with all kinds of art related questions just add up.
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Indeed. I have received lots of hints "hey, Android L is out now" - yes, I know. So for now, I have disabled PMs...
By the way, I have just read the "How to Report Bugs Effectively" essay by the PuTTY developer. It's so true!
I just wanted to say how incredibly awesome it is that you're already working on Xposed with this early preview version of Android L. I for one am very happy with my current 4.4.4+Xposed setup, and would rather stick with that than use a newer Android release without Xposed. It's a truly great piece of software that I have come to depend on. Keep up the good work and ignore those who would try to pressure you. We can wait!
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"Getting it running" is one thing, whether it's good to publish it is another question. I've had a prototype of Xposed for the ART preview in December already. Barely tested, needed manual installation, probably failing here and there, but generally it did what it should. But already back then, I've seen that Google is still working actively on improving ART. They have made huge internal changes since then. Last weekend, I made my prototype compile against the master branch of AOSP and I had to introduce lots of conditionals. That's without knowing whether it will actually work, I just changed declarations, calls etc. to avoid compile time errors.
The ART preview in KitKat and the ART almost-final in the Android L preview are different pieces of software. Maintaining support for both of them means basically twice the work, especially for testing. That, and the fact that ART in KitKat was just an optional preview (with potential bugs that may be incorrectly blamed on Xposed), makes it less likely that I will publish Xposed for the KitKat variant of ART. That's not a final decision, it depends on how ART development continues and how well I can support Android L. It's important that Xposed works fine on upcoming Android versions where ART is the only runtime. KitKat support would be a bonus if it's not too much effort to maintain in parallel.
Oh, and for everyone who thinks that posting "pleeeeease" or "you have to support it" will increase the chances of publishing something: It won't. It will just annoy me and make it less likely.
Indeed. I have received lots of hints "hey, Android L is out now" - yes, I know. So for now, I have disabled PMs...
By the way, I have just read the "How to Report Bugs Effectively" essay by the PuTTY developer. It's so true!
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Thanks for the answer it's what imagined and I understand, I just wanted to make sure that i was right xD
You have done a really great job, and you and all of the good developers of XDA are our heroes!!! Take a beer you deserve it! [emoji106]
Any chance of a sticky and close on this thread? I was fortunate to find it quickly enough on the second page but I was checking the General and FAQ threads first for this exact info. I'm sure a lot of people are coming to see it.
Thanks for the hint. I have extended the FAQ item about ART with a link to this thread.
I use Xposed on stock GPE 4.4.4. Its great, and for my use actually better than some of the more customised ROM's. I find i dont actually want a lot of customisation, just a few things that Xposed with a couple of modules does well.
From what i am reading at the moment, ART wont be a really viable alternative until the release of Android L. Hopefully the GPE ROMs will be early releases.
So, i would think that if you choose to continue Xposed releases (if you dont the sobbing from XDA will keep you awake nights!!) then developing for Android L which NEEDS to be ART compatible, and forgetting a version for KK which can use Dalvik anyway is the way to go.
Many thanks for all you efforts.
Hi @rovo89 I have a quick petition for you. Please release your art KitKat "alpha" of xposed so somebody interested can complete it. I think that is pretty fair and it shouldn't take you too much time. Please consider it.
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Hi @rovo89 I have a quick petition for you. Please release your art KitKat "alpha" of xposed so somebody interested can complete it. I think that is pretty fair and it shouldn't take you too much time. Please consider it.
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You mean the source code, so interested developers can compile it themselves? I'm indeed thinking about publishing some work-in-progress code because I'm getting more and more frustrated with L (currently uninstalled it again, I need my phone). Not yet though, I would at least like to get L booting with it (if necessary with permissive SELinux). *If* I ever support ART on KitKat, then I wouldn't want to maintain two totally different codebases.
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You mean the source code, so interested developers can compile it themselves? I'm indeed thinking about publishing some work-in-progress code because I'm getting more and more frustrated with L (currently uninstalled it again, I need my phone). Not yet though, I would at least like to get L booting with it (if necessary with permissive SELinux). *If* I ever support ART on KitKat, then I wouldn't want to maintain two totally different codebases.
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Thanks for your answher, that's mostly what I meant. I read in the last page you had a prototype running in kitkat+art, so I thought you could publish that work in order for other devs to have the possibility to keep working on it if you don't want to for whatever the reason or even help you with the code. Also, it would be good for any user who wants to use it even if he knows it may fail here or there as you say.
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Thanks for your answher, that's mostly what I meant. I read in the last page you had a prototype running in kitkat+art, so I thought you could publish that work in order for other devs to have the possibility to keep working on it if you don't want to for whatever the reason or even help you with the code. Also, it would be good for any user who wants to use it even if he knows it may fail here or there as you say.
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Never underesimate the stupidity of the users
They will install it, run into all kinds of issues and then come complaining and whining at xda.
This will just cause issues, so I don't think it should be released in any way to endusers.
But I do think the release of the source code is a good idea when it comes with the request kindly not to share any compiled versions.
Each developer who could seriously help working in that complex field (which aren't too many I suppose) won't have a problem compiling it, so it might help in speeding up the development or producing new ideas.
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Never underesimate the stupidity of the users
They will install it, run into all kinds of issues and then come complaining and whining at xda.
This will just cause issues, so I don't think it should be released in any way to endusers.
But I do think the release of the source code is a good idea when it comes with the request kindly not to share any compiled versions.
Each developer who could seriously help working in that complex field (which aren't too many I suppose) won't have a problem compiling it, so it might help in speeding up the development or producing new ideas.
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May be the stupidity is on your side! I don't have a problem to flash 98% done xposed on my KitKat and give feedbacks to the developer.
I am sure that there are many users like me who will agree to do it, don't forget that hundreds of users still using Dalvik because of xposed!
Some module won't work or other small bug isn't a reason not to use it.
So, if you think you are so smart-you are wrong!
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May be the stupidity is on your side! I don't have a problem to flash 98% done xposed on my KitKat and give feedbacks to the developer.
I am sure that there are many users like me who will agree to do it, don't forget that hundreds of users still using Dalvik because of xposed!
Some module won't work or other small bug isn't a reason not to use it.
So, if you think you are so smart-you are wrong!
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Don't get me wrong, as soon as it's in a functional beta state I'm with you there, but what rovo had wasn't even close to an alpha stage afaik. At that point users feedback is hardly ever useful for developers as it's quite obvious what's working and what isn't. Here you need useful logs and no general feedback (and usually you're testing a new version every other minute, so it doesn't really make sense to make testing releases and wait for feedback).
Please don't read my post as offense, the fact that you're actually reading here means you're not in the scope of "users" I was referring to.
It's sad, but unfortunately xda(-developers) usually isn't the best place to do and discuss actual development. There are loads of people who fail to read instructions, the OP or a couple pages back before posting, which results in lots of redundant bug reports of well known problems.
The situation has improved in the last years and the staff is doing a great job at keeping it within boundaries, but still loads of development threads (see e.g. the N5 section) are getting spammed with stupid and redundant posts.
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Don't get me wrong, as soon as it's in a functional beta state I'm with you there, but what rovo had wasn't even close to an alpha stage afaik. At that point users feedback is hardly ever useful for developers as it's quite obvious what's working and what isn't. Here you need useful logs and no general feedback (and usually you're testing a new version every other minute, so it doesn't really make sense to make testing releases and wait for feedback).
Please don't read my post as offense, the fact that you're actually reading here means you're not in the scope of "users" I was referring to.
It's sad, but unfortunately xda(-developers) usually isn't the best place to do and discuss actual development. There are loads of people who fail to read instructions, the OP or a couple pages back before posting, which results in lots of redundant bug reports of well known problems.
The situation has improved in the last years and the staff is doing a great job at keeping it within boundaries, but still loads of development threads (see e.g. the N5 section) are getting spammed with stupid and redundant posts.
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Ok, First of all there are always be "stupid and redundant posts", because when I see "franco kernel" thread for N4 - it's thouthends of pages, not many people will search inside to find simple answer to question like "how to flash", it's much easier to ask again and get an answer in 5 minutes.
About Rovo, I think if it works on his phone, there is no reason not to let other users WHO WANT to use the new Xposed version, again, few modules less didn't kill anyone, so f I use 5 instead of 10 modules - it's OK by me.
I tried to change to ART (ofcourse disabled Xposed), but I had to install 6 other apps instead to make phone look/work as with Xposed, I think it's not worth it, but ART working better... After 1 day I changed to Dalvik and Xposed.
In coclusion, I prefer almost ready Xposed + ART then Dalvik with 100% working Xposed.
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Ok, First of all there are always be "stupid and redundant posts", because when I see "franco kernel" thread for N4 - it's thouthends of pages, not many people will search inside to find simple answer to question like "how to flash", it's much easier to ask again and get an answer in 5 minutes.
About Rovo, I think if it works on his phone, there is no reason not to let other users WHO WANT to use the new Xposed version, again, few modules less didn't kill anyone, so f I use 5 instead of 10 modules - it's OK by me.
I tried to change to ART (ofcourse disabled Xposed), but I had to install 6 other apps instead to make phone look/work as with Xposed, I think it's not worth it, but ART working better... After 1 day I changed to Dalvik and Xposed.
In coclusion, I prefer almost ready Xposed + ART then Dalvik with 100% working Xposed.
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LOL. Translated - "Give it me now! It's not fair that rovo is keeping it to himself!" No offence, but that is how your posts are coming across. There's also no need to be insulting to someone that has contributed many things to the users of this site.
The reasons for not releasing the experimental version in a precompiled easily installable state were explained clearly by tonyp. The Xposed framework is a hugely complicated project to begin with and the fact that rovo has a test version does not mean that it's anywhere near ready for end users to install on their devices. If it didn't work properly, there would be many, many people with unusable devices flooding this section complaining that rovo broke their phone. Even if the experimental framework itself worked perfectly on the multitude of devices people have, it may break some modules, which would cause complaints and headaches for the module developers, because most people wouldn't mention they were using the test version.
As for it only being released to people that agree that it may not work. What normally happens here is that people that just want the latest version apply, then disappear without ever providing any feedback apart from complaints that "It doesn't work", with no useful logs etc provided.
The source being made available is the correct way to go here. It ensures, in the most part, that only people that have knowledge and understanding of the risks involved and are able to collaborate properly with development are able to install the experimental version. Not impatient people that just can't wait to make their phone cool and don't read or search threads before modifying their expensive device.
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You mean the source code, so interested developers can compile it themselves? I'm indeed thinking about publishing some work-in-progress code because I'm getting more and more frustrated with L (currently uninstalled it again, I need my phone). Not yet though, I would at least like to get L booting with it (if necessary with permissive SELinux). *If* I ever support ART on KitKat, then I wouldn't want to maintain two totally different codebases.
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Why don't you keep L as a secondary rom(with MultiROM)? By doing so you can test xposed on L, and then switch to kitkat when you need your phone.
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What do you guys think. I don't even care about custom Roms anymore since I can use xposed to do almost anything I could possibly imagine. Are there any hopes of getting a similar tool to modify Roms running art.
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Unlikely, as it needs Dalvik to work (this is why Xposed doesn't work with ART)
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What do you guys think. I don't even care about custom Roms anymore since I can use xposed to do almost anything I could possibly imagine. Are there any hopes of getting a similar tool to modify Roms running art.
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The Xposed dev said he had a lot of work to do on it, I think though he has certain aspects of it working and in testing, am I'm sure he'll let us know is and when it's ready.
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The Xposed dev said he had a lot of work to do on it, I think though he has certain aspects of it working and in testing, am I'm sure he'll let us know is and when it's ready.
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Yeah he doesn't want to do too much work based on the developer preview as its not a baseline. Subject to massive change.
Its a lot of work because ART is not JiT based, so it cannot intercept code at time of execution because its pre-loaded
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Why is this posed in an N6 forum?
because Nexus 6 will be the 1st true phone to use the new ART and no Dalvik.
I remember the Dev saying that xposed will be ready once ART is finalized. He has already put a lot for work into the module so why let it die off with 4.4.4?
Yeah the first modules I'm installing is XMultiWindow then GravityBox for my PIE control on the right side of the screen, talk about a optimized Nexus phablet setup...
Rovo has stated that Xposed will eventually support ART, just not immediately. Certain elements of Xposed are already in development for ART, he's just waiting for the final release of Lollipop to do the heavy lifting because it wouldn't make sense to develop the Xposed Framework based on an experimental build of Android.
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Why is this posed in an N6 forum?
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With all the BS threads I have seen in this forum you are going to complain about this one? Really? Anyway I appreciate the banter from all that have posted.
No news on this?
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No news on this?
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Go to the xposed tread or G+ - you're not going to find updates here. But no, not really.
You'll see it when it's ready, the developer does this in his free time and as a hobby. He doesn't get paid for it.
Asking for timelines from developers is a huge no no. No one can answer that question for you and even if someone could they wouldn't make any promises that they can't keep.
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You'll see it when it's ready, the developer does this in his free time and as a hobby. He doesn't get paid for it.
Asking for timelines from developers is a huge no no. No one can answer that question for you and even if someone could they wouldn't make any promises that they can't keep.
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appreciate your response.
I thought I was not clear on my question. I did not mean to ask this from developer. I asked the community or other members here who are following this or if anyone knows anything about the xposed framework to just update whats going on.
I never meant to ask the developer to provide the timeline of-course.
Thanks though.
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appreciate your response.
I thought I was not clear on my question. I did not mean to ask this from developer. I asked the community or other members here who are following this or if anyone knows anything about the xposed framework to just update whats going on.
I never meant to ask the developer to provide the timeline of-course.
Thanks though.
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I was thinking the same thing -greenboy-. I really appreciate the things the devs have done for this community and the things they made possible really made my day to day life easier. I also made sure I donate to the dev whenever I use something useful.
I believe that "assuming" that a forum user is asking for specific timelines is a huge no no. Poster is simply asking for updates which he clearly communicated. We could have helped these users better by pointing them to the right forum or we can simply remind them to use the search button.
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I was thinking the same thing -greenboy-. I really appreciate the things the devs have done for this community and the things they made possible really made my day to day life easier. I also made sure I donate to the dev whenever I use something useful.
I believe that "assuming" that a forum user is asking for specific timelines is a huge no no. Poster is simply asking for updates which he clearly communicated. We could have helped these users better by pointing them to the right forum or we can simply remind them to use the search button.
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I just think it was how the question was phrased. Asking for an ETA is against the rules and the way the question was phrased seemed a little like that. A better phrasing perhaps would have been "do you think Xposed will ever work?"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/official-xposed-lollipop-t3030118 now out.
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What do you guys think. I don't even care about custom Roms anymore since I can use xposed to do almost anything I could possibly imagine. Are there any hopes of getting a similar tool to modify Roms running art.
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Xposed For Lollipop is already here though it's on very Alpha stage so use it at your own risk You may face bootloop so before doing anything take a nandroid backup
Well guys, looks like Xposed for 5.0 won't ever happen.
REVISION: This edit was added on 2.13.14
The above statement was purely a joke when Xposed for LP was merely a dream. To clarify, as of now there is no ETA for Xposed. Ever. Don't ask. Stop. Don't think of it. If you ask, you shall be banned as of the words of the moderator.
I know it may be hard to read sometimes, so I started a new paragraph. If you are confused, look up. ETAs don't exist on this developer website. Thank you.
Xposed is IN THE WORKS and no, there is no beta version. If you beg to differ, post a comment. Don't flame me or anybody.
=D have a WONDERFUL, hate free day.
The full comment posted at https://github.com/rovo89/Xposed/issues/18 is:
Thanks guys. Actually, there is no need to worry about alternative approaches. It's not easy to "hack" ART in a similar way as Dalvik, but it's generally working.
What most people forget:
a) ART isn't the only new thing in Lollipop. SELinux requires a lot of extra code and even more thoughts to work around the restrictions. And 64 bit breaks the assumption that everything starts in a single process, as there are two Zygote processes now. I think it's important to consider this right from the start.
b) The actual (net) time required to write code is far away from the time that passes. It's not like I work on Xposed every evening. There are weeks when I don't look at the code at all. Yes, I do have other things in my life, and some have a higher priority. So even if something would take just a few evenings to code, it might take me a couple of weeks to actually do it. And once I publish something, you probably wouldn't like it if I took off for a few weeks.
If it was just about coding, pushing the source could be helpful. But that works best if there's already a clear concept of what is needed and an idea how this can be split up into work packages. Often it takes hours to come up with a concept that can be coded in 20 lines. Remember how many people are using Xposed meanwhile. We don't want to have some quick code that works by accident, so it's vital to think everything through carefully, and that takes time.
So yeah. It will take more time, I still don't give any ETA, but I'm quite confident that we'll have something nice some day.
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No new "work in progress" sources = no help from other contributors. That's it.
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No new "work in progress" sources = no help from other contributors. That's it.
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You can probably count the people who really understand Xposed and how it works at one hand (and you'll basically have to start from scratch for lollipop).
It's not like there were hundreds of contributors in the past, so what you're trying to say here is invalid.
Yes, there would probably be some people who could help out, but keep in mind that every minute rovo is helping others to better understand what's going on isn't available for him to do some actual development (which includes research and drafting ideas).
I'm sure that any top tier dev who feels confident to actually bring xposed for lollipop forward can contact rovo anytime and get his wip code, but so far no one has spoken out.
The sad truth is that 95% of the xda users are people without any real technical knowledge - and the only thing they do is to offer to "test" something to gain access to something before it's release.
Unfortunately those testers are rarely ever needed, at least not within the core development phase, here it takes way more time to explain people what is needed than to just test it yourself.
When you're rolling something out to production and want to make sure that the last little bugs within different usage cases and configurations are squashed, sure you'll need testers, but not before.
But for now that's not the case, so it might be better to keep the unhelpful comments to oneself
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Well guys, looks like Xposed for 5.0 won't ever happen.
(To all you downers out there, its called a joke. Laugh about it. Next thread.)
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Liar
So yeah. It will take more time, I still don't give any ETA, but I'm quite confident that we'll have something nice some day.
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If you can't offer something better then be patient.
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Liar
If you can't offer something better then be patient.
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Just like the op stated.... Its a JOKE
He had 666 Followers and I thought it was funny and would lighten up a few peoples stress filled days. The only reason I saw this was because I was going through his posts and READING all of them to get an update as to where we stand.
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(To all you downers out there, its called a joke. Laugh about it. Next thread.)
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I found it for you ^ since sometimes I know its REALLY hard to understand the concept of a joke.
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Just like the op stated.... Its a JOKE
He had 666 Followers and I thought it was funny and would lighten up a few peoples stress filled days. The only reason I saw this was because I was going through his posts and READING all of them to get an update as to where we stand.
I found it for you ^ since sometimes I know its REALLY hard to understand the concept of a joke.
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Yep sorry I misread your post. I feel a little bit stressed with all this story lol
Anyways, 666 is the patience and Rovo the angel
Primokorn said:
Yep sorry I misread your post. I feel a little bit stressed with all this story lol
Anyways, 666 is the patience and Rovo the angel
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Hahaha no worries bro just keepin the haters out of this thread :bruh:
just for waiting...
Hope xposed will be ported to lollipop eventually!!!
Hi guys! Yeah, I'm part of those 95% (I'm a lawyer), but I'm very grateful to rovo for his work. I have Nexus 5, but I'm still on Android 4.4.4 because of Xposed, and I'm not going to update to 5.0 until the new version of Xposed is done. You can see how important it is for me. @rovo89, I'm pretty sure that many people would pay you to complete your work. I understand that you have higher priorities and you are doing all of this for fun, but have you thought that you have almost 3 millions of downloads? If you create your team of software engineers and sell Xposed at 2$ (2€), you work on it every day for several months, and we assume that most of the current users buy your product, you will have enough money to pay your team and dedicate all of your time at what you want. It's just a suggestion of one of these 3 millions of users, that would pay more than 2$ and appreciate your work so much! Best regards from Spain!
rovo has said on multiple occasions that he won't take money for working on Xposed as he does not want it to become a job where he feels obligated to work on it full time.
He's working on it already. Offers of monetary gain won't make that work go any faster. Everyone will just have to be patient.
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We don't know if he is really doing on it (I hope yes but..) since we have no proofs (only claims) and no documentable code progress since August 2014. Plus, rovo89 was active here last year till August or so. Then he left.
If there are people who want work on it and have enough skills to port it, they should fork it and not wait. I saw some guys on github who want to work on ART port.
He flat out stated he would not post progress publicly either on GitHub or here and to wait until he had something worth publishing (that real contributors could help with) without bothering him. Comments on issues on GitHub do show he is/was working on it.
The real problem is that people are impatient and feel entitled to updates on progress, even though rovo explicitly stated that he wouldn't be doing that.
As for others *wanting* to work on it; nobody is stopping them forking the project and doing so. If they get it working then that would be fantastic and I'm sure everyone including rovo would be happy and grateful. That's the great thing about open source.
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1. Work hard to create something really, really useful.
2. Make it (and all the resources for re-creating it) available for free.
3. Millions of people use it.
4. Decide not to work so hard on it.
5. Get hounded day in and day out for months by thousands of people.
This is a classic example of "No good deed goes unpunished".
Rovo is a saint. In his shoes, I would have told all of the "hounders" to f**k off a long time ago.
In other words, people, learn how to be grateful, get off of Rovo's case, and move on.
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This is sad, I would donate to help the dev, especially since all this is free
i'm a user and for me is normally this long time...the system of cache is completaly changed....and see it immediately in the booting process and the loading apps process.
Be patient!
Go On Rovo u can do that =)
I hope you are wrong
KevinDixson said:
Well guys, looks like Xposed for 5.0 won't ever happen.
(To all you downers out there, its called a joke. Laugh about it. Next thread.)
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It is already 2015 and there is still no support for lollipop. It was working fine with jelly bean. I just installed a custom lollipop rom and I wanted to user xposed with greenify. It seems I have to wait and your saying will just be a conspiracy. You should really stop creating this kind of threads. Value people's creativity. That fact that, there is a delay doors not mean it will not be made. If for anything at all, give them some morale
Lollipop is a completely new system. The difference between KitKat and Lollipop is almost the same as between Windows 95 and Windows XP, if not larger... Lollipop looks like ordinary Android, acts like it, but it is NOT it...
Xposed has become an iconic platform for customizing Android OS starting from vanilla to OEM customized versions. @rovo89 has been actively contributing the community. I have discussed my idea in the past but I was left out. For modders but who doesn't have much programming knowledge, Xposed is heaven. So, it should be there as long as there is Android.
It's beyond any gracious comment that Rovo89 deserves. Xposed has changed how we (at least me) look at Android. So, to keep it continuous, we need some enterprise effort. I don't mind if there is a company named Rovo89 and I have to buy a pro version of Xposed that promises to update with future Android versions in a professional way. Like more developers can work on this.
I Rovo89's efforts to in the app is awesome already. I don't know what he is planning for the future Xposed versions but I believe it is an undeniable addition to android and living in android without it will not be the same.
izephyr said:
Xposed has become an iconic platform for customizing Android OS starting from vanilla to OEM customized versions. @rovo89 has been actively contributing the community. I have discussed my idea in the past but I was left out. For modders but who doesn't have much programming knowledge, Xposed is heaven. So, it should be there as long as there is Android.
It's beyond any gracious comment that Rovo89 deserves. Xposed has changed how we (at least me) look at Android. So, to keep it continuous, we need some enterprise effort. I don't mind if there is a company named Rovo89 and I have to buy a pro version of Xposed that promises to update with future Android versions in a professional way. Like more developers can work on this.
I Rovo89's efforts to in the app is awesome already. I don't know what he is planning for the future Xposed versions but I believe it is an undeniable addition to android and living in android without it will not be the same.
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No business will want to be associate with "Android Hacking" that google is working hard to put a stop. Even if it's a positive one as Xposed.
The source code is there, but no one has a company to "take it over" nor will want to work on someone else idea instead of they're own.
In other words Xposed is Rovo and we should either sit tight and wait for his timing... or move on from Xposed (MM work great for me and i wont move on... but i know that he is only one man with job, life and family besides Xposed... so i accept it may take too long).
Google just is lame to release a new android every year just to change the code enough to make Xposed and other "hacks" harder to be in...
All in all what i want to say is... ppl love to give ideas but they don't understand how things work...
Sit tight... wait... or move on..
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Google just is lame to release a new android every year just to change the code enough to make Xposed and other "hacks" harder to be in...
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They keep working on making Android more secure. What's strange (or "lame") about that? And face it... Xposed, root access and other "hacks" are security issues.
Didgeridoohan said:
They keep working on making Android more secure. What's strange (or "lame") about that? And face it... Xposed, root access and other "hacks" are security issues.
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Have admin rights isn't a security issue. I never use a system without it (even windows has it). If the user don't know how to use admin rights with safety.. just don't use it.. Use the limited user account..
Also, make security updates... great... but change the code just to do so and break the tools that we, experienced users depend is lame.
Android never come rooted, who root it know what they are doing and all the risks.
It isn't a security issue.
As no real detail has been given behind the "development" of these new release, please read the below and inform yourself before installing this on your devices.
https://github.com/rovo89/Xposed/issues/230#issuecomment-315959127
This should be stickied for greater visibility.
It's progress even if it is incomplete. I know Rovo prefers to work alone, but it'd be nice to see a small team of Xposed developers working together and sharing the load. I can only imagine how many hundreds of hours have been put into Xposed so far.
Thanks for sharing. Indeed insightful and should be stickied.
Please allow me to quote a post of me:
I'm definitely praying for Xposed eventually coming to Nougat in order to enable me especially to use XPrivacy again for further enhancement of my privacy. I know that most of us have found our individual and custom ways how to "live" without Xposed.
It seems to me there's currently a hype on XDA regarding some ("unofficial") Xposed modules for Nougat 7.1.2 being around. Being curious, I tried one of them myself a few days ago I immediately reverted to my Xposed-free backup. Besides many cries for help, requests for spoon-feeding etc. I quickly realised that many people entered this boat who aren't really familiar with their devices. I really doubt that it was a wise idea by XDA to actively propagate these projects and to create an attraction that they might not deserve yet.
Lots of discussions and comments are already available in the different respective threads but they are already hard to find among all that spam.
I'd rather stay with that what I can read and follow here. For me, these are the details you need to know about possible upcoming times of Xposed for Nougat, where it currently stands, in which way it might walk, the processes, and occasionally what's the views on the mentioned "unofficial" modules are.
But most important for me is to see that Rovo89 himself is in deed working on Xposed for Nougat and that wanam obviously joined the bridge of the Xposed fleet flagship. Both are THE masters of Xposed in my personal opinion - and they both seem to be in hot.:good:
EDIT: Please allow me to quote my highly esteemed friend @Davey126. I always benefit from his clear, rational insight and actually wisdom as well as I'm enjoying his British language and humour (written with "ou"!):
"The nature of Xposed framework produces a shotgun-on-a-marry-go-round set of impacts where a huge community is forced into a respond when untested change is introduced. You already see criticism mounting due to perceived issues with Magisk; no doubt that will quickly expand to module developers who will be accused of dodging their implicit volunteer responsibilities (huh?) by not supporting the handful of Franken-Frameworks that emerge from this effort. To be clear I am NOT against public alpha releases or going out on a limb to help ferret out issues. However, that is not the way the initial roll out has been handled, at least to date. Unbridled turmoil does not always lead to better outcomes.
Time to step away from this discussion and OT posts to this thread. There are no winners/losers; just various islands of thought that different people choose to inhabit (and defend)."
His original post is available here.
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[EDIT (2017-08-01):] Anyhow, Xposed on Nougat is now working for me. If interested please refer to this post.
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Please allow me to quote a post of me:
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You're so wrong there. No one is forcing anyone to try an unstable version (and it is said EVERYWHERE that this is a very unstable WIP). Anyone going in knows the consequences or should had read before.
And it is great to see a ton of people on this now. Both xposed for N and modules are being tested on N even if this is an unofficial half-assed hack. And this will get a ton of modules ready updated for N.. for if official N ever appears (which probably won't).
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You're so wrong there. No one is forcing anyone to try an unstable version (and it is said EVERYWHERE that this is a very unstable WIP). Anyone going in knows the consequences or should had read before.
And it is great to see a ton of people on this now. Both xposed for N and modules are being tested on N even if this is an unofficial half-assed hack. And this will get a ton of modules ready updated for N.. for if official N ever appears (which probably won't).
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Yea, i may understand Rovo post... but he really missed the point of those forks too.
It is a good thing to have those new ideas and something that seen impossible now look managable.
Ppl want Xposed for N, this is the best we have so far.
So I'm surprised this isn't Priority One across the board for development with Android.
Now that it looks like John's gone, I'm actually shocked that no one is tried to take over or step forward to try and come up with an alternative. This should be all hands on deck Priority One as not having root is far sh1tt1er than having it. Maybe I just I'm not up to the newest dev news. Does anyone have any information on possible development about that?
The vvb2060 Alpha builds are still getting updated, and as that had been a trusted collaborator with John, that seems to be the current path for continued development.
Why does everyone assume that development of Magisk has stopped? Until we hear anything from John there's zero need for "fear mongering" and speculation...
FUD is what keeps forums running
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The vvb2060 Alpha builds are still getting updated, and as that had been a trusted collaborator with John, that seems to be the current path for continued development.
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Yes I've been running the alpha build since earlyJune. However I worry/sneaking suspicion and inclination that his intention or competency level is to tweak existing technology rather than flat out create compatibility for Android 12 for example. These are my fears.
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Yes I've been running the alpha build since earlyJune. However I worry/sneaking suspicion and inclination that his intention or competency level is to tweak existing technology rather than flat out create compatibility for Android 12 for example. These are my fears.
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You need to step back, take a chill pill, and unclench
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You need to step back, take a chill pill, and unclench
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trying to look cool? Not sure why you bothered to type this - as absolutely nothing in my post would indicate that I'm not calm.
Surprised more people are asking this question about having root in the future.
Well.
It is better to think ahead but it may happen that demand will create supply.
It is basic market rule.
I hope & pray that current Magisk will continue to work even if site where it checks updates and modules disappears.
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trying to look cool? Not sure why you bothered to type this - as absolutely nothing in my post would indicate that I'm not calm.
Surprised more people are asking this question about having root in the future.
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Because the FUD was boring a month ago
The only prospecting you should be doing should involve a gold pan
p.s. My default setting is humour, sometimes people get it, some dont, the clue would have been the 2 smilies i put in to try and make certain it was taken that way
p.p.s. Casting doubt on someones abilities (vvb2060) isnt cool, just saying, they guy is working largely on his own to add features/fixes from the original Magisk repo issues, so maybe cut him some slack? or help out?
i really like vvb2060 magisk lite approach
i hop he adds control to it throw a terminate
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Why does everyone assume that development of Magisk has stopped? Until we hear anything from John there's zero need for "fear mongering" and speculation...
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Back in May, topjohnwu had already confirmed that Google is forbidding him from working on Magisk.
misterlink said:
Back in May, topjohnwu had already confirmed that Google is forbidding him from working on Magisk.
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Since that screenshot is taken out of context from a longer conversation, that was private and not shared by John himself, it doesn't show the whole truth.
My statement still stands: wait until we hear anything official from John...
Game Over.
State of Magisk: 2021
Ever since my employment at Google, crazy speculations has been spreading like wild fire all over the Internet. The out-of-context private…
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Game over? I think we read that text and came to two very different conclusions...
It's far from game over.
So as far i understand he is allowed to continue working on magisk but is not allowed to do any work on magisk hide or any hide module he claims that is just 5% of the work so if he does magisk and someone else adds magisk hide function it is all good right ?
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So as far i understand he is allowed to continue working on magisk but is not allowed to do any work on magisk hide or any hide module he claims that is just 5% of the work so if he does magisk and someone else adds magisk hide function it is all good right ?
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This sounds simple enough, but Magisk without MagiskHide will be relatively useless since most apps that aren't a web browser will refuse to run because they detect root and/or an unlocked bootloader. This is the core problem that Magisk solves. The rest of the Magisk modules are nice to haves.
Until the apps try to detect modifications to themselves rather than simply seeing if there is a possibility of modification they are not doing anything for security but instead further locking users into their ecosystem.
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This sounds simple enough, but Magisk without MagiskHide will be relatively useless since most apps that aren't a web browser will refuse to run because they detect root and/or an unlocked bootloader. This is the core problem that Magisk solves. The rest of the Magisk modules are nice to haves.
Until the apps try to detect modifications to themselves rather than simply seeing if there is a possibility of modification they are not doing anything for security but instead further locking users into their ecosystem.
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I would imagen magisk would not be useless as i would assume magisk and a hide module would be in development in paralell to each other so magisk by the creator and hide by other developer who is kind innof to help out so yeah.
unless people ditch magisk alltogether and fork it and do it difrently who knows
i just read the article about this on the xda homepage and read through the comments people seem to be freaking out and spell doom to custom roms and everything about it pretty funny though but i geuss the signs are on the wall....
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I would imagen magisk would not be useless as i would assume magisk and a hide module would be in development in paralell to each other so magisk by the creator and hide by other developer who is kind innof to help out so yeah.
unless people ditch magisk alltogether and fork it and do it difrently who knows
i just read the article about this on the xda homepage and read through the comments people seem to be freaking out and spell doom to custom roms and everything about it pretty funny though but i geuss the signs are on the wall....
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Ok, useless might have been too strong. If a hide module is developed and maintained then things will largely stay the same. That said, until that materializes, it is the end of Magisk as we know it. Anyone who claims that nothing will change is going to give rise to a lot of disappointment. Don't get me wrong, there are lots of talented developers and one could very likey pick up where TJW leaves off but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.
IMO rather than fight with the our small community, Google/Android should provide us a way to self sign our devices and absolve themselves of any responsibility to keep our devices "secure".
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Ok, useless might have been too strong. If a hide module is developed and maintained then things will largely stay the same. That said, until that materializes, it is the end of Magisk as we know it. Anyone who claims that nothing will change is going to give rise to a lot of disappointment. Don't get me wrong, there are lots of talented developers and one could very likey pick up where TJW leaves off but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.
IMO rather than fight with the our small community, Google/Android should provide us a way to self sign our devices and absolve themselves of any responsibility to keep our devices "secure".
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Yeah agree on your first part
now about that second part..
never going to happen why ? because what do you think we are to those companys? what do you think they would call us people who dont buy a new phone every year and keep older phones working for a couple years with the latest software huh ? we cost them money it is in their best interest that none of all this works and or is capable because if it wasnt everyone here would have to get a new phone ergo bringing in the bacon for those said companys...
I wish we could send out a message a reqeust to all the developers on this site and be like oke guys lets ditch android it is not worth the ffort anymore lets get together all of us and work on alternitives of wich we have 2
ubuntu touch linux os for phones (there are otheres but noone as far developt as this one) also it is stil not entirely their yet but it is very close.
sailfish wel basicly also linux this is next best thing to android it is based on nokia/intel meego project it is like i said linux based and open source this is what the developers should work on it is just rough araund the edges but works great one downside while it is opensource the ability to run android apps is properity software so developers would have to come with their own thing forexample maybe try and get wine to work on sailfish so u can use android apps as normal phone.
what do you think? developers unite in a avengers style and the ones who cant do code like myself help by donating ?
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Yeah agree on your first part
now about that second part..
never going to happen why ? because what do you think we are to those companys? what do you think they would call us people who dont buy a new phone every year and keep older phones working for a couple years with the latest software huh ? we cost them money it is in their best interest that none of all this works and or is capable because if it wasnt everyone here would have to get a new phone ergo bringing in the bacon for those said companys...
I wish we could send out a message a reqeust to all the developers on this site and be like oke guys lets ditch android it is not worth the ffort anymore lets get together all of us and work on alternitives of wich we have 2
ubuntu touch linux os for phones (there are otheres but noone as far developt as this one) also it is stil not entirely their yet but it is very close.
sailfish wel basicly also linux this is next best thing to android it is based on nokia/intel meego project it is like i said linux based and open source this is what the developers should work on it is just rough araund the edges but works great one downside while it is opensource the ability to run android apps is properity software so developers would have to come with their own thing forexample maybe try and get wine to work on sailfish so u can use android apps as normal phone.
what do you think? developers unite in a avengers style and the ones who cant do code like myself help by donating ?
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Oh I would never expect #2 to happen either, that is why it's only my opinion.
A phone OS not managed by a large corporation would be great, but it couldn't survive without the app stores of the large corporations. That is what they are making money off of, not the devices. I think most of us already realize that so I'm just stating the obvious.