Hy guys
i've an idea, it's possible to have dual boot with windows?
The hardware of the tablet can support almost w7 ( i think w8 whitout problems)....
there's nobody thath have think this?
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lorenzo88 said:
Hy guys
i've an idea, it's possible to have dual boot with windows?
The hardware of the tablet can support almost w7 ( i think w8 whitout problems)....
there's nobody thath have think this?
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While I would love this option as well as almost everyone else in the community ......... I don't think that it would be possible with Windows, Linux or other open source Operating Systems would be more likley.
lorenzo88 said:
Hy guys
i've an idea, it's possible to have dual boot with windows?
The hardware of the tablet can support almost w7 ( i think w8 whitout problems)....
there's nobody thath have think this?
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Im not sure about that but I think the farthest they have to come to dual booting is multirom. And thats on a nexus 7. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403 That is also TWRP with touch which we dont have yet in recoveries. But maybe if the manufacturers wanted that they might make for it to be more possible. I guess its more likely to work on an x86 tablet(with x86 android). Other than that I dont know.
lorenzo88 said:
Hy guys
i've an idea, it's possible to have dual boot with windows?
The hardware of the tablet can support almost w7 ( i think w8 whitout problems)....
there's nobody thath have think this?
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Okay... I think you are confused.
The processor in this is an ARM based processor. Tegra4 to be precise. It is _NOT_ an x86 proc. The hardware can _NOT_ support Windows7.
On the other hand, it might be able to support Windows 8 RT, but it would need a different bootloader and TPM modules and keys, plus a flashable version of Windows 8 RT (which is not the desktop version of Windows).
You could link to a Windows machine using RDP, or Splashtop, or maybe even LimeLight. You could connect to a virtual instance running on Amazon Cloud or something like that also.
I think we went through this misconception with even the TF101 (Tegra2), the first Transformer Tablet, and again with each successive tablet in this line. These tablets can not run Windows desktop version (like you would have in a big PC, or a normal laptop). You can _EMULATE_ DOS (and maybe Win 3.1 and possibly Win95, but it would be slow as sin, due to the translation of x86 to ARM instructions and back again). You could quite possibly get it to run Linux (ARM variant of Linux run quite well if you can get it to boot properly to begin with).
However there will never be native Windows on these tablets.
Thanks, your explenation is perfect! I' m newbe in this world !
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Yes i should have mentioned that this is not for x86 based operating systems like windows other then maybe windows RT.
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Seeing how Windows 8 will be ARM compatible, does this mean that there might be a glimmer of hope on seeing it on our Tabs?
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Seeing how Windows 8 will be ARM compatible, does this mean that there might be a glimmer of hope on seeing it on our Tabs?
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No
If I could write fewer than 10 characters I'd leave it at that, but I can't and I know you'll ask "why?" so I will elaborate:
We need kernel source code to ensure that everything works with the majority of the hardware in our device (unless, by some miracle, Microsoft made the kernel with full Tab support), which we won't get. On top of that, the bootloaders wouldn't know what to do with a Windows kernel, it's a completely different system. Even on a PC the Linux bootloaders (GRUB, LILO) don't handle it, they just pass the job onto the Windows bootloaders. It would be technically impossible at the low level stuff. Of course, at the higher level it would work. A glimmer of hope may be gleaned from knowing that Ubuntu is being ported to the Tab, and with ARM compatibility in Windows we could one day see a version of WINE running Windows applications on the Tab (although by the time that happens we'll all be using quad core tablets )
Hope this helps
Thanks for your answer. Very informative and thorough.
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Thanks for your answer. Very informative and thorough.
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No problemo dude
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT
Any idea whether it would be possible to run this version of Windows 8 RT on the TP?
They say this is an ARM-based release, so If you could get ahold of a legit copy- you should technically be able to port it over to the TP.
It's all over bro, locked bootloader, blah blah blah
~Freshly acquired LTEvo; ViperRom'ed in under 2hrs...
What about all the driver stuff? Its not that easy as just to get some Windows from anywhere and flash it on the Tablet.
drivers are probably not such a big issue. there is a creative method windows is using for driver implementation. plus about 6-ish months ago, i saw a demo of windows for arm running on hardware nearly identical to what touchpad has. so i think if not for it being locked, it would technically be possible.
here is the link to where i read it http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon go down to qualcom, i think those specs are pretty much in line with what a touchpad has
here is some info about how they are handling drivers. scroll down to driver section and look for "class drivers" http://www.anandtech.com/show/5527/microsoft-provides-windows-on-arm-details
unless i'm mistaken, and i could very well be, seems like the driver implementation is going to be very flexible in what will be supported.
I hope windows 8 come to touchpad
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if it ever does, it wont be officially and i doubt someone would be posted on this forum how to install it
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What about all the driver stuff? Its not that easy as just to get some Windows from anywhere and flash it on the Tablet.
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It depends how strict the ARM version is on drivers. If you think about it the x86 edition will install and boot with hardly any drivers required but I think this is due to a large library of included generic drivers. You can also instal drivers in Windows after you boot into it pretty easily.
The restrictions on doing this are going to be legal concerns since Windows RT will not be sold so files will likely not be allowed here. It also depends on if this is even possible to do since there will be no disc/ISO image out there and it depends how similar RT is to its x86 counterpart. They are both NT so I'm thinking that they may operate similarly, except RT won't have all the legacy system files that x86/64 has.
if you see the trouble the devs from cyanogenmod or the other linux ports are running into with the drivers, i dont think there will ever be a working windows port here.
The windows 8 RT version is made for tablets running a arm processor. So It is comming. I wonder how Windows 8 Proffessional response, when I jack a windows Phone 7 into my usb port Wonder If I still need those drivers wich is 2,3 gig or so
I have the Proffessional version of 8 wich is fully activated by Microsoft hehe, suckersszzz
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I have the Proffessional version of 8 wich is fully activated by Microsoft hehe, suckersszzz
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And where are the information? Its no problem to obtain W8Pro and get this activated!?
Im still waiting for the guys who said it would be that easy to show some proof
We won't get Windows RT. Microsoft will not be releasing an iso with the files. It will be only given to OEMs.
This would be simply amazing.
I want this
Any (positive) updates?
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Any (positive) updates?
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RT will only be on officially approved devices by microsoft. so you realize that it would involve using pirated software and even if someone could figure out how to get past the security measures it would never be posted here?
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RT will only be on officially approved devices by microsoft. so you realize that it would involve using pirated software and even if someone could figure out how to get past the security measures it would never be posted here?
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Hmph, and what about WP7 for HD2? Was it posted on XDA?
By the way, Microsoft made a huge mistake by locking W8 RT so tight, it would have bigger chances of adoption if devs were able to legally port the OS to other devices.
i dont know about what was or was not allowed with wp7 so i cant comment on that. but getting rt on other non-sanctioned devices will take some hacking and distribution of their software... i'm thinking thats too close to piracy. i'm no mod but i dont see how they would allow that kind of information on here.
but i agree with you, they should have been more open with the devices. maybe down the road microsoft will allow it, but who knows.
Windows 8 on the Touched?!
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I can't quite figure out why people want this?!?
What is Windows RT going to give you that android and/or webos doesn't?
Was wondering if somebody fluent in the Linux OS could help me choose a good Linux distro. Currently running LMDE, but it seems as if my laptops battery pluments. I have a high capacity 6-cell battery which usually lasts me 6-7 hours on windows. But only lasts 4 hours or less in LMDE. Anyways I'm looking for something that has just about everything working out of the box. LMDE had my WiFi drivers... my graphics drivers... which Linux is picky with my radeon GPU. My laptop is
HP Pavilion Dv6z quad edition
AMD A8 3550-MX (APU)
Radeon HD Discrete Class Graphics (I believe its a 6220g)
6GB RAM
Etc.
If you need any more info just ask. Thanks.
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Try Ubuntu, I have it set as a dual boot OS on my desktop and it had most of the drivers I needed.
Ubuntu tends to run "out of the box" without any additional installs or tweaks, so you could try it. Make a live CD and check that everything is working before you install it.
Oops. I should have mentioned I tried Ubuntu 11.10 and it wouldn't display my screen turns out it doesn't like my GPU. Tried 10.04 and it worked... but hardly. Haven't tried 12 yet... might try it and see if it still does the black screen deal. Trying to stay away from fedora or RPM based distros as I hear they are a little more difficult and I'm a Linux illiterate.
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If you've still got an Ubuntu 11 disc available, this thread may help with your display issue...
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1929234
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If you've still got an Ubuntu 11 disc available, this thread may help with your display issue...
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1929234
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Yeah I looked into that. But I also saw that people did this and their resolution was terrible. I might try it again. If I find the disk again.
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Yeah I looked into that. But I also saw that people did this and their resolution was terrible. I might try it again. If I find the disk again.
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I just used that to get up and running. Once I was dual-booting and able to run Ubuntu I just changed the resolution in that and it was all good.
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I just used that to get up and running. Once I was dual-booting and able to run Ubuntu I just changed the resolution in that and it was all good.
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Being a complete illiterate on this stuff... its a little daunting. If someone would like to help along the way a little later... my talk is [email protected]
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Check out CrunchBang, haven't tried the newest build yet but it's super lightweight and snappy, it is by far my favorite distro and has been rock solid on 3 different machines for a year and a half now.
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Check out CrunchBang, haven't tried the newest build yet but it's super lightweight and snappy, it is by far my favorite distro and has been rock solid on 3 different machines for a year and a half now.
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Intresting never heard of it.. then again the only ones you ever really hear of are Ubuntu and Fedora... so ill take a look at it. I understand desktops are a lot more linux friendly? Wondering if there is one that is more laptop friendly. Laptops tend to have more drivers such as Wifi bluetooth and so on and so forth. Maybe somthing like that?
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Intresting never heard of it.. then again the only ones you ever really hear of are Ubuntu and Fedora... so ill take a look at it. I understand desktops are a lot more linux friendly? Wondering if there is one that is more laptop friendly. Laptops tend to have more drivers such as Wifi bluetooth and so on and so forth. Maybe somthing like that?
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I'm running it on an Acer Aspire 6920 laptop and an Asus Eee netbook, both worked great out of the box. The main thing I like is there are lots of keyboard shortcuts to open apps, really cuts down time for opening anything.
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I'm running it on an Acer Aspire 6920 laptop and an Asus Eee netbook, both worked great out of the box. The main thing I like is there are lots of keyboard shortcuts to open apps, really cuts down time for opening anything.
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Alright gotta find my DVD's and make a disk.
Intel processors?
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I just took a look at Linux Mint 13 and it looks promising. Can you put Cinnamon on Ubuntu 12.04?
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Intel processors?
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Yes sir, the laptop is a Core 2 Duo and the netbook is an Atom.
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Yes sir, the laptop is a Core 2 Duo and the netbook is an Atom.
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That's the problem... I have an AMD and Linux seems to be partial to Intel at least from my experience.
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I use Fedora 17. I like it.
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That's the problem... I have an AMD and Linux seems to be partial to Intel at least from my experience.
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Ah my fault, completely missed where you said that, sorry 'bout that.
If you grab the "AMD64" iso image you should be fine, it's been a while but I remember running Ubuntu 9.04 on AMD with no problems, you should be fine.
Debian squeeze is very good for that sort of thing
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Try Ubuntu, it will make you just happy
If the phone is Intel based, is it possible to run Windows on it - even if its a cut down version?
Windows desktop? Don't think so. Wouldn't scale right on the 4:3" screen.
Windows Phone? Maybe. But it would take a lot of time, time which I think should be invested into Android ROM baking and stuff.
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agree.
If you can make the boot loader to read GRUB or MBR partition tables than the phone will load a Win XP/Vista/7/8 because of the native x86 instructions in the processor. Trying to find matching drivers then is the next step.
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If you can make the boot loader to read GRUB or MBR partition tables than the phone will load a Win XP/Vista/7/8 because of the native x86 instructions in the processor. Trying to find matching drivers then is the next step.
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I think Intel have changed quite a lot within the x86 based architecture to be running fan-less and at that level of battery consumption.
Porting a x86 PC OS would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack and that's just getting it booting.
As for windows phone it has more chance of getting ported to any other android phone as it runs on ARM.
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Here is an atom powered x86 phone that runs windows 7. I am not a dev but I do believe this is quite possible if we can get the right minds interested.
i have arch linux and ubuntu x86 running so only the bootloader is the problem...
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i have arch linux and ubuntu x86 running so only the bootloader is the problem...
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As in the stock bootloader won't let you boot from whatever you need to boot from? I figured with an unlocked bootloader, there wouldn't be any issues on that front.
then tell me how to make it boot from my sd card xD
Oh, I have no idea. I just thought those problems would be over. I guess the bootloader just doesn't support that function.
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Here is an atom powered x86 phone that runs windows 7. I am not a dev but I do believe this is quite possible if we can get the right minds interested.
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That phone is of no help since it uses wrong chip. It uses the Intel atom z530 made in 2008 long before Intel remodeled them for mobiles.
RAZR I uses a atom (soc) completely different.
As I said would be extremely difficult for little in return.
As for booting from sdcard if it doesn't support it then there's nothing we can do to the bootloader to get that to work.
We could boot to nand then mount sdcard partition partitions other phones have ran android from sdcard.
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As I said would be extremely difficult for little in return.
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I'd be more than happy to help sponsor some development to have the RAZR i running Windows 8 Pro not Windows 8 phone.
I was quote about $2000 for a ITG xpPhone 2 a while ago, with the RAZR i being about $500 unlocked with a newer chipset and a thinner device, it would be really nice to have instead. I have asked for another quote for the ITG xpPhone 2 to see if the price has come down at all.
I'd didn't buy it yet as I thought with Windows 8 being released, there might be a bit more interest in getting it to run on Intel Medfield phones.
I really want a Windows 8 Pro device that I can have in my pocket.
Win 3.1 through aDosBox ?
Another way could be to use aDosBox ?
As for the Asus transformer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079332
Does the Razri version remove the x86 emulation layer ?
http://www.freeware4android.net/motorola-razr-i-xt890-device-2815/adosbox-get-24103.html
It should provide a faster version than the current ARM-based Android version.
We were talking about the real Windows 8/Windows Phone 8, not 3.1 through emulation.
Any news about installing a real desktop windows on this device ? Are there any x86 phone that can do that anyway ?
My main goal is to build an x86 handheld for retro games (old native windows games), probably coupled with an iControlPad 2.
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Any news about installing a real desktop windows on this device ? Are there any x86 phone that can do that anyway ?
My main goal is to build an x86 handheld for retro games (old native windows games), probably coupled with an iControlPad 2.
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The only thing that would run fine is Windows 8 desktop but we need someone to write an UEFI bootloader for the Razr i first. And even if it boots I'm not sure how the battery life will be nor how we would trigger it to install (the default installer will be useless on such a small screen). Aside from the legal issues it would bring...
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The only thing that would run fine is Windows 8 desktop but we need someone to write an UEFI bootloader for the Razr i first. And even if it boots I'm not sure how the battery life will be nor how we would trigger it to install (the default installer will be useless on such a small screen). Aside from the legal issues it would bring...
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Actually I'm not specifically interested in the Razr i, just wanted to know if it was possible to run desktop windows in x86 phones, my real target is the upcoming Lenovo K900, which have killer specs that should be good enough for a desktop windows 8.
I though that being x86 theses phones can install anything x86, it is not that simple it seems, too bad -.-
running Windows 8 Firmware
Is it fake or not?youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZKxNkf-IU
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Is it fake or not?youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZKxNkf-IU
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Seems fishy. The lockscreen was an Android lockscreen, and the error popup also looked like an Android popup.
I honestly think he was just using something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XwIeWfvcZ_o#!
It seems that the ASUS tablet 810 has a medfield SoC and runs windows 8, so it's almost certainly within the capabilities of the hardware. The question is whether or not we can get the bootloader to play nice or maybe stick a custom bootloader on it.
If someone has tested dual boot installation of windows 10, please share your experience and instructions.
I think this phone is powerful enough for Win10 to process images on the go with e.g. Luminar 4 or any of the other main editors.
Thanks.
Whaaat?
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If someone has tested dual boot installation of windows 10, please share your experience and instructions.
I think this phone is powerful enough for Win10 to process images on the go with e.g. Luminar 4 or any of the other main editors.
Thanks.
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I don't think it's possible to install Windows on android device, however, I don't see any reason why would it be impossible to install some kind of virtual machine environment suitable for android and running Win10 on it. this phone has a high class specs, it can do anything android devices can do. The real(me ) question is, is this screen big enough to use Windows suited apps? you might find it really uncomfortable..
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I don't think it's possible to install Windows on android device, however, I don't see any reason why would it be impossible to install some kind of virtual machine environment suitable for android and running Win10 on it. this phone has a high class specs, it can do anything android devices can do. The real(me ) question is, is this screen big enough to use Windows suited apps? you might find it really uncomfortable..
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Btw it is possible to get windows 10 on android.
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Btw it is possible to get windows 10 on android.
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I think you should explain yourself better. I specifically answered this in my previous post..
Hey bro ',
Windows = x86
Android = ARM
Am I wrong?