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[Q] Windows 8 on our Tabs?

Seeing how Windows 8 will be ARM compatible, does this mean that there might be a glimmer of hope on seeing it on our Tabs?

slimdizzy said:
Seeing how Windows 8 will be ARM compatible, does this mean that there might be a glimmer of hope on seeing it on our Tabs?
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No
If I could write fewer than 10 characters I'd leave it at that, but I can't and I know you'll ask "why?" so I will elaborate:
We need kernel source code to ensure that everything works with the majority of the hardware in our device (unless, by some miracle, Microsoft made the kernel with full Tab support), which we won't get. On top of that, the bootloaders wouldn't know what to do with a Windows kernel, it's a completely different system. Even on a PC the Linux bootloaders (GRUB, LILO) don't handle it, they just pass the job onto the Windows bootloaders. It would be technically impossible at the low level stuff. Of course, at the higher level it would work. A glimmer of hope may be gleaned from knowing that Ubuntu is being ported to the Tab, and with ARM compatibility in Windows we could one day see a version of WINE running Windows applications on the Tab (although by the time that happens we'll all be using quad core tablets )
Hope this helps

Thanks for your answer. Very informative and thorough.

slimdizzy said:
Thanks for your answer. Very informative and thorough.
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No problemo dude

!!Linux thread!!

How many here use linux as their main OS?
As an ahead, please, no OS bashing. I would just like to know how many of you use linux as your day to day OS. Me, I've used just about everything out there, but these days I've settled on Ubuntu. It has worked perfectly for me for years, so I stay with it. You?

I'm using Archlinux with Openbox as my default OS: fast, really fast!

gianguido said:
I'm using Archlinux with Openbox as my default OS: fast, really fast!
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Yeah, using just about any distro with openbox is usually fast.

PC Windows, Laptop Ubuntu

dual boot win7 64 bit and Ubuntu 64 bit

vais4me said:
dual boot win7 64 bit and Ubuntu 64 bit
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Same here but spend most of my time on Windows. Wine doesn't quite cut it yet.
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Unless I need PS or Reason I use Ubuntu....
I'm even liking Unity now
Not sure Ubuntu actually counts as Linux though to the hardcore folks....

I mainly use Ubuntu for almost everything. For gaming, I use Windows 7.

I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 and trying to get used to Unity... I think they made big mistake by removing Classic desktop and forcing Unity. Probably I'll change distro soon.
Ubuntu is my main OS for years.

I used to use Kubuntu as my OS because I like the way it works, its really stable and fast and using less resources then Windows 7, I tried the recent Opensuse 12.1 version and Kubuntu version, they are both good.
But because I don't wish to dual boot and I need Windows 7 for playing games like cod I'm right now using Windows 7 and that is mainly because one application called QQ which doesnt have video chat in Linux and of course I got the resources for running a virtual Windows xp for that app, but I think its not worth it.
But if games and that app where working then I would use Linux as my main os, but I also have an legal license off Windows 7 home premium and I consider Windows 7 as an very good operating system so in fact I like using it because it works good.
But i'm for sure not going use Windows 8, right now I consider Windows 7 stable and fast ( I got an SSD ) but I guess if I didnt need use QQ that then when I quit gaming that I could use Linux, but its because my gf, I need to adjust to her and webQQ is troublesome with video chat.

albertsmuktupavels said:
I think they made big mistake by removing Classic desktop and forcing Unity.
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Gnome classic is back with Ubuntu 12.04

Ubuntu 11.10 with Gnome Shell.

I use arch, windows just for play games here

Triple booting windows 8 consumer preview, mountain lion, and Ubuntu 12.04.
I use lion the most (for school) then windows for gaming, and Ubuntu when windows upsets me (which it hasn't lately) windows 8 is pretty nice
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Users are requested not to post irrelevant things in the thread.
Logs can be posted on www.pastebin.com

Grr I still have a grind with wubi then a grub update. Have they fixed it?
AOKP 4 LYF

Btw for my problem it's rtl 8111/8168 :/
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i posted this on the other topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23534574&postcount=28
AllGamer said:
To me it wont matter at all, as i'm still forced to use Windows in the office, but on the personal level
all my PCs and Laptops are on LinuxMint or Ubuntu, or some other dedicated server versions of Debian or FreeBSD, like my home made load balancing router with pFsense, and FreeNAS
They work better if not waaaaaaaaaaaay better than Windows XP, Vista, 7 and most definitely 8
now the latest version of Ubuntu can even run on Android Phones, which makes it even better
there are also native phone version of Ubuntu as well
I've been using Linux since Win9x times, that when Linux was still mostly command lines and ugly X11 GUI
Also if you are a Gamer, YES, Linux does work with Windows Games, it's not plug and play easy as on Windows, but is getting there, just install Wine, or your favourite Emulator for whatever you need to get the game running.
You also got the free virtual box, so you can run technically anything you want in your Linux box
very few games lik only those annoying MMORPG that have security anti hacking protection, will require to be installed in a virtual Windows, as they are not able to compatible in Linux
Most games installs and plays just fine in Wine
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so feel free to ask
however, i must say, chances are you'll get help faster on the relevant distro forum, than here on XDA for Linux related questions

AllGamer said:
i posted this on the other topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23534574&postcount=28
so feel free to ask
however, i must say, chances are you'll get help faster on the relevant distro forum, than here on XDA for Linux related questions
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Hmm.. sure .. anyways the solution has been given to me by GOogle

Not me... i dual boot windows 7 x64 and ubuntu

Windows 8 RT for ARM-based tablets?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT
Any idea whether it would be possible to run this version of Windows 8 RT on the TP?
They say this is an ARM-based release, so If you could get ahold of a legit copy- you should technically be able to port it over to the TP.

It's all over bro, locked bootloader, blah blah blah
~Freshly acquired LTEvo; ViperRom'ed in under 2hrs...

What about all the driver stuff? Its not that easy as just to get some Windows from anywhere and flash it on the Tablet.

drivers are probably not such a big issue. there is a creative method windows is using for driver implementation. plus about 6-ish months ago, i saw a demo of windows for arm running on hardware nearly identical to what touchpad has. so i think if not for it being locked, it would technically be possible.
here is the link to where i read it http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon go down to qualcom, i think those specs are pretty much in line with what a touchpad has
here is some info about how they are handling drivers. scroll down to driver section and look for "class drivers" http://www.anandtech.com/show/5527/microsoft-provides-windows-on-arm-details
unless i'm mistaken, and i could very well be, seems like the driver implementation is going to be very flexible in what will be supported.

I hope windows 8 come to touchpad
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if it ever does, it wont be officially and i doubt someone would be posted on this forum how to install it

k1l said:
What about all the driver stuff? Its not that easy as just to get some Windows from anywhere and flash it on the Tablet.
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It depends how strict the ARM version is on drivers. If you think about it the x86 edition will install and boot with hardly any drivers required but I think this is due to a large library of included generic drivers. You can also instal drivers in Windows after you boot into it pretty easily.
The restrictions on doing this are going to be legal concerns since Windows RT will not be sold so files will likely not be allowed here. It also depends on if this is even possible to do since there will be no disc/ISO image out there and it depends how similar RT is to its x86 counterpart. They are both NT so I'm thinking that they may operate similarly, except RT won't have all the legacy system files that x86/64 has.

if you see the trouble the devs from cyanogenmod or the other linux ports are running into with the drivers, i dont think there will ever be a working windows port here.

The windows 8 RT version is made for tablets running a arm processor. So It is comming. I wonder how Windows 8 Proffessional response, when I jack a windows Phone 7 into my usb port Wonder If I still need those drivers wich is 2,3 gig or so
I have the Proffessional version of 8 wich is fully activated by Microsoft hehe, suckersszzz

Fabian1985 said:
I have the Proffessional version of 8 wich is fully activated by Microsoft hehe, suckersszzz
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And where are the information? Its no problem to obtain W8Pro and get this activated!?

Im still waiting for the guys who said it would be that easy to show some proof

We won't get Windows RT. Microsoft will not be releasing an iso with the files. It will be only given to OEMs.

This would be simply amazing.

I want this

Any (positive) updates?

tm21fourt3 said:
Any (positive) updates?
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RT will only be on officially approved devices by microsoft. so you realize that it would involve using pirated software and even if someone could figure out how to get past the security measures it would never be posted here?

x000x said:
RT will only be on officially approved devices by microsoft. so you realize that it would involve using pirated software and even if someone could figure out how to get past the security measures it would never be posted here?
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Hmph, and what about WP7 for HD2? Was it posted on XDA?
By the way, Microsoft made a huge mistake by locking W8 RT so tight, it would have bigger chances of adoption if devs were able to legally port the OS to other devices.

i dont know about what was or was not allowed with wp7 so i cant comment on that. but getting rt on other non-sanctioned devices will take some hacking and distribution of their software... i'm thinking thats too close to piracy. i'm no mod but i dont see how they would allow that kind of information on here.
but i agree with you, they should have been more open with the devices. maybe down the road microsoft will allow it, but who knows.

Windows 8 on the Touched?!
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I can't quite figure out why people want this?!?
What is Windows RT going to give you that android and/or webos doesn't?

Windows OS?

If the phone is Intel based, is it possible to run Windows on it - even if its a cut down version?

Windows desktop? Don't think so. Wouldn't scale right on the 4:3" screen.
Windows Phone? Maybe. But it would take a lot of time, time which I think should be invested into Android ROM baking and stuff.

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agree.

If you can make the boot loader to read GRUB or MBR partition tables than the phone will load a Win XP/Vista/7/8 because of the native x86 instructions in the processor. Trying to find matching drivers then is the next step.

kHron0S said:
If you can make the boot loader to read GRUB or MBR partition tables than the phone will load a Win XP/Vista/7/8 because of the native x86 instructions in the processor. Trying to find matching drivers then is the next step.
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I think Intel have changed quite a lot within the x86 based architecture to be running fan-less and at that level of battery consumption.
Porting a x86 PC OS would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack and that's just getting it booting.
As for windows phone it has more chance of getting ported to any other android phone as it runs on ARM.
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Here is an atom powered x86 phone that runs windows 7. I am not a dev but I do believe this is quite possible if we can get the right minds interested.

i have arch linux and ubuntu x86 running so only the bootloader is the problem...
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Robbilie said:
i have arch linux and ubuntu x86 running so only the bootloader is the problem...
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As in the stock bootloader won't let you boot from whatever you need to boot from? I figured with an unlocked bootloader, there wouldn't be any issues on that front.

then tell me how to make it boot from my sd card xD

Oh, I have no idea. I just thought those problems would be over. I guess the bootloader just doesn't support that function.

DKSE said:
Here is an atom powered x86 phone that runs windows 7. I am not a dev but I do believe this is quite possible if we can get the right minds interested.
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That phone is of no help since it uses wrong chip. It uses the Intel atom z530 made in 2008 long before Intel remodeled them for mobiles.
RAZR I uses a atom (soc) completely different.
As I said would be extremely difficult for little in return.
As for booting from sdcard if it doesn't support it then there's nothing we can do to the bootloader to get that to work.
We could boot to nand then mount sdcard partition partitions other phones have ran android from sdcard.
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dethrat said:
As I said would be extremely difficult for little in return.
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I'd be more than happy to help sponsor some development to have the RAZR i running Windows 8 Pro not Windows 8 phone.
I was quote about $2000 for a ITG xpPhone 2 a while ago, with the RAZR i being about $500 unlocked with a newer chipset and a thinner device, it would be really nice to have instead. I have asked for another quote for the ITG xpPhone 2 to see if the price has come down at all.
I'd didn't buy it yet as I thought with Windows 8 being released, there might be a bit more interest in getting it to run on Intel Medfield phones.
I really want a Windows 8 Pro device that I can have in my pocket.

Win 3.1 through aDosBox ?
Another way could be to use aDosBox ?
As for the Asus transformer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079332
Does the Razri version remove the x86 emulation layer ?
http://www.freeware4android.net/motorola-razr-i-xt890-device-2815/adosbox-get-24103.html
It should provide a faster version than the current ARM-based Android version.

We were talking about the real Windows 8/Windows Phone 8, not 3.1 through emulation.

Any news about installing a real desktop windows on this device ? Are there any x86 phone that can do that anyway ?
My main goal is to build an x86 handheld for retro games (old native windows games), probably coupled with an iControlPad 2.

kamuikun said:
Any news about installing a real desktop windows on this device ? Are there any x86 phone that can do that anyway ?
My main goal is to build an x86 handheld for retro games (old native windows games), probably coupled with an iControlPad 2.
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The only thing that would run fine is Windows 8 desktop but we need someone to write an UEFI bootloader for the Razr i first. And even if it boots I'm not sure how the battery life will be nor how we would trigger it to install (the default installer will be useless on such a small screen). Aside from the legal issues it would bring...

Vistaus said:
The only thing that would run fine is Windows 8 desktop but we need someone to write an UEFI bootloader for the Razr i first. And even if it boots I'm not sure how the battery life will be nor how we would trigger it to install (the default installer will be useless on such a small screen). Aside from the legal issues it would bring...
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Actually I'm not specifically interested in the Razr i, just wanted to know if it was possible to run desktop windows in x86 phones, my real target is the upcoming Lenovo K900, which have killer specs that should be good enough for a desktop windows 8.
I though that being x86 theses phones can install anything x86, it is not that simple it seems, too bad -.-

running Windows 8 Firmware
Is it fake or not?youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZKxNkf-IU

Waruna said:
Is it fake or not?youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZKxNkf-IU
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Seems fishy. The lockscreen was an Android lockscreen, and the error popup also looked like an Android popup.
I honestly think he was just using something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XwIeWfvcZ_o#!

It seems that the ASUS tablet 810 has a medfield SoC and runs windows 8, so it's almost certainly within the capabilities of the hardware. The question is whether or not we can get the bootloader to play nice or maybe stick a custom bootloader on it.

[Q] Dual boot whit windows?

Hy guys
i've an idea, it's possible to have dual boot with windows?
The hardware of the tablet can support almost w7 ( i think w8 whitout problems)....
there's nobody thath have think this?
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Lorenzo

lorenzo88 said:
Hy guys
i've an idea, it's possible to have dual boot with windows?
The hardware of the tablet can support almost w7 ( i think w8 whitout problems)....
there's nobody thath have think this?
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Lorenzo
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While I would love this option as well as almost everyone else in the community ......... I don't think that it would be possible with Windows, Linux or other open source Operating Systems would be more likley.

lorenzo88 said:
Hy guys
i've an idea, it's possible to have dual boot with windows?
The hardware of the tablet can support almost w7 ( i think w8 whitout problems)....
there's nobody thath have think this?
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Lorenzo
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Im not sure about that but I think the farthest they have to come to dual booting is multirom. And thats on a nexus 7. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403 That is also TWRP with touch which we dont have yet in recoveries. But maybe if the manufacturers wanted that they might make for it to be more possible. I guess its more likely to work on an x86 tablet(with x86 android). Other than that I dont know.

lorenzo88 said:
Hy guys
i've an idea, it's possible to have dual boot with windows?
The hardware of the tablet can support almost w7 ( i think w8 whitout problems)....
there's nobody thath have think this?
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Lorenzo
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Okay... I think you are confused.
The processor in this is an ARM based processor. Tegra4 to be precise. It is _NOT_ an x86 proc. The hardware can _NOT_ support Windows7.
On the other hand, it might be able to support Windows 8 RT, but it would need a different bootloader and TPM modules and keys, plus a flashable version of Windows 8 RT (which is not the desktop version of Windows).
You could link to a Windows machine using RDP, or Splashtop, or maybe even LimeLight. You could connect to a virtual instance running on Amazon Cloud or something like that also.
I think we went through this misconception with even the TF101 (Tegra2), the first Transformer Tablet, and again with each successive tablet in this line. These tablets can not run Windows desktop version (like you would have in a big PC, or a normal laptop). You can _EMULATE_ DOS (and maybe Win 3.1 and possibly Win95, but it would be slow as sin, due to the translation of x86 to ARM instructions and back again). You could quite possibly get it to run Linux (ARM variant of Linux run quite well if you can get it to boot properly to begin with).
However there will never be native Windows on these tablets.

Thanks, your explenation is perfect! I' m newbe in this world !
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Yes i should have mentioned that this is not for x86 based operating systems like windows other then maybe windows RT.