So, this is a rather unique predicament so I'm not surprised that there aren't any threads available on it but I have an XT1053 because I like to not have bloat on my phone, however, I also use AT&T because I enjoy having a phone signal.
It's been my understanding that in order to get the intended battery life promised by Motorola, I need to have the radio that is optimized for AT&T's signal bands because if you don't have an AT&T branded phone then f**k you (says AT&T).
My question is if anyone can speak on any authority as to whether it would even be possible to (obtain and) flash the AT&T radio to the XT1053 without bricking it and how far that would go as far as solving my problem of having a phone signal and good battery life.
Thanks.
Sparkplug
sparkplugDev said:
So, this is a rather unique predicament so I'm not surprised that there aren't any threads available on it but I have an XT1053 because I like to not have bloat on my phone, however, I also use AT&T because I enjoy having a phone signal.
It's been my understanding that in order to get the intended battery life promised by Motorola, I need to have the radio that is optimized for AT&T's signal bands because if you don't have an AT&T branded phone then f**k you (says AT&T).
My question is if anyone can speak on any authority as to whether it would even be possible to (obtain and) flash the AT&T radio to the XT1053 without bricking it and how far that would go as far as solving my problem of having a phone signal and good battery life.
Thanks.
Sparkplug
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Flashing the AT&T radio probably won't help. GSM stands for "Global Standard for Mobile Communications". It is a standard and does not differ from carrier to carrier.
Additionally, the XT1053 supports 1 extra UTMS band, and lacks 2 LTE bands that the XT1058 has (but this doesn't affect you because AT&T doesn't use those 2 bands, and the XT1053 DOES support all the bands AT&T currently uses).
You can flash the XT1058 baseband IF you have an unlocked bootloader, but you probably won't get any support here. We don't like to support phones with mismatched software/basebands -- they just cause too many problems.
If you insist on doing it (assuming you are unlocked), you would flash fsg.mbn (modem) from the XT1058 SBF, and you would need to:
fastboot erase modemst1
fastboot erase modemst2
I urge you not to do this. Flashing a mismatched radio will often result in WORSE battery life, and you may not even get a signal on some or all bands.
samwathegreat said:
Flashing the AT&T radio probably won't help. GSM stands for "Global Standard for Mobile Communications". It is a standard and does not differ from carrier to carrier.
Additionally, the XT1053 supports 1 extra UTMS band, and lacks 2 LTE bands that the XT1058 has (but this doesn't affect you because AT&T doesn't use those 2 bands, and the XT1053 DOES support all the bands AT&T currently uses).
You can flash the XT1058 baseband IF you have an unlocked bootloader, but you probably won't get any support here. We don't like to support phones with mismatched software/basebands -- they just cause too many problems.
If you insist on doing it (assuming you are unlocked), you would flash fsg.mbn (modem) from the XT1058 SBF, and you would need to:
fastboot erase modemst1
fastboot erase modemst2
I urge you not to do this. Flashing a mismatched radio will often result in WORSE battery life, and you may not even get a signal on some or all bands.
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I didn't even consider that the baseband and software would then be mismatched. Thanks for the advice. Time to abandon this short-lived mission into the darkness.
Just to pile on...I am also using a XT1053 on AT&T and I get great signal and great battery life.
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Isn't Att refarming their network to allow LTE on their 850 signal which the 1053 lacks?
I read that a while ago so excuse my lack of proper terminology.
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http://gigaom.com/2013/11/07/att-begins-cannibalizing-its-2g-and-3g-networks-to-boost-lte-capacity/
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t also means that AT&T almost certainly has plans to repurpose some of its 850 MHz cellular spectrum for LTE as well.
Soldier 2.0 said:
Isn't Att refarming their network to allow LTE on their 850 signal which the 1053 lacks?
I read that a while ago so excuse my lack of proper terminology.
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http://gigaom.com/2013/11/07/att-begins-cannibalizing-its-2g-and-3g-networks-to-boost-lte-capacity/
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t also means that AT&T almost certainly has plans to repurpose some of its 850 MHz cellular spectrum for LTE as well.
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I believe you are correct, but as of now XT1053 supports all at&t bands currently in use.
Conversely, until t mobile finishes refarming their PCS spectrum for hspa+, those using the xt1058 on T-Mobile will have areas that only EDGE data will be available (yuck!).
But for all we know, AT&T won't finish refarming until the Moto X is obsolete....
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I didn't even consider that the baseband and software would then be mismatched. Thanks for the advice. Time to abandon this short-lived mission into the darkness.
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I was running the AT&T radio with the Dev software, both pulled from 4.4.2 SBF files.
Now I am running the straight Dev software 4.4.3.
There is no signal difference.
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I believe you are correct, but as of now XT1053 supports all at&t bands currently in use.
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I'm not entirely sure that this is true. It seems to me that I read here somewhere that vermont? perhaps was using band 5 and using the XT1053 only allowed the user 4G HSPA+ and not 4G LTE.
I think there may be a few places in the US that ATT is using band 5 for LTE which the XT 1053 does not support.
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I'm not entirely sure that this is true. It seems to me that I read here somewhere that vermont? perhaps was using band 5 and using the XT1053 only allowed the user 4G HSPA+ and not 4G LTE.
I think there may be a few places in the US that ATT is using band 5 for LTE which the XT 1053 does not support.
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You may be correct... I know that AT&T is testing the new band. The way I understood, they plan to use the new band to supplement the existing LTE, just like Verizon is doing with their AWS spectrum.... To provide additional backhaul and not to replace the LTE spectrum currently in use. This is speculation, of course...
mandrsn1 said:
I was running the AT&T radio with the Dev software, both pulled from 4.4.2 SBF files.
Now I am running the straight Dev software 4.4.3.
There is no signal difference.
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That's interesting. You didn't encounter any stability issues with that?
samwathegreat said:
Flashing the AT&T radio probably won't help. GSM stands for "Global Standard for Mobile Communications". It is a standard and does not differ from carrier to carrier.
Additionally, the XT1053 supports 1 extra UTMS band, and lacks 2 LTE bands that the XT1058 has (but this doesn't affect you because AT&T doesn't use those 2 bands, and the XT1053 DOES support all the bands AT&T currently uses).
You can flash the XT1058 baseband IF you have an unlocked bootloader, but you probably won't get any support here. We don't like to support phones with mismatched software/basebands -- they just cause too many problems.
If you insist on doing it (assuming you are unlocked), you would flash fsg.mbn (modem) from the XT1058 SBF, and you would need to:
fastboot erase modemst1
fastboot erase modemst2
I urge you not to do this. Flashing a mismatched radio will often result in WORSE battery life, and you may not even get a signal on some or all bands.
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I need to revise my previous statement. I've discovered that "NON-HLOS.bin" is the actual modem/baseband itself, and "fsg.mbn" appears to be a master backup of the baseband cache.
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That's interesting. You didn't encounter any stability issues with that?
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Not at all
Is not easier to flash a retail xt1058 ROM entirely? To avoid software mismatch, and use/unlock the bands from that model?
I have a xt1052 and I need the xt1058 modem/radio/bands to be able to use 4g on my country. That would help?
TLH11 said:
Is not easier to flash a retail xt1058 ROM entirely? To avoid software mismatch, and use/unlock the bands from that model?
I have a xt1052 and I need the xt1058 modem/radio/bands to be able to use 4g on my country. That would help?
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this is an old thread you are resurrecting..
I usually recomend NOT fully flashing the rom from a different model. We've seen the GPT.BIN be different enough between models, even among the same ROM versions (i.e. GPT.BIN from one 4.4.4 not matching GPT.BIN of another 4.4.4 rom). That presents challanges to try a different rom, or flash back.
And flashing another modem file, or rom file does not necessarily mean you will enable those "other bands" because the phone's HARDWARE also is a factor.
In other words, due to different hardware, flashing an XT1058's rom or modem files onto an XT1053 or XT10052, might not enable any new/extra bands due to hardware differences. And if you do cross flash (as its called), the GPT.BIN differences might prevent you in returning to the correct ROM for your phone/carrier.
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I have seen several posts on flashing XT1053(retail/tmobile/developer) firmware on XT1058(AT&T/Rogers/etc) hardware. I believe most people were only doing the OS though and not the entire flash(including the radio/modem)
The XT1053 is FCC ID ihdt56pa2 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 1700/850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04 and 17
The XT1058 is FCC ID ihdt56pa1 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04,05 and 17
So the differences are that the XT1053 supports wcdma 1700 and the XT1058 supports LTE band 05.
Wcdma 1700 is the same frequency range as LTE band 04, LTE band 05 is 850 Mhz. So it would really seem the two models should both be able to support the same frequencies/bands. The iFixit tear down of an XT1058 indicated it has a multimode power amplifier module for Quad-Band GSM / EDGE and Penta-Band (Bands I, II, IV, V, VIII) WCDMA/ HSDPA/ HSUPA/ HSPA+/ LTE. It also has a separate power amp for LTE bands 12 and 17.
I can't see Motorola applying for multiple FCC ID certifications if the hardware really was identical but who really knows what the differences are. Is there a limitation to the total number of bands the phone controller can handle, so in one phone they selected wcdma 1700 and the other they selected LTE band 05? Is it possible AT&T wanted a phone that specifically couldn't do wcdma 1700 mhz?
I'm reasonably new to android and haven't done a lot of flashing, can someone please confirm if the full retail flash from an XT1053 can be loaded into an XT1058 (I assume an unlocked bootloader is required). And if someone has done it can they report back that the radio portion of the flash is updated and what the results are.
I'm also puzzled why Motorola got Canadian certification for the XT1058 model. If they had the XT1053 certified for use in Canada it would work on 5 providers instead of the three the XT1058 supports here(again unless that was purposely selected by Rogers Canada so the phone couldn't be used on two of the other providers here once sim unlocked).
Steve-x said:
I have seen several posts on flashing XT1053(retail/tmobile/developer) firmware on XT1058(AT&T/Rogers/etc) hardware. I believe most people were only doing the OS though and not the entire flash(including the radio/modem)
The XT1053 is FCC ID ihdt56pa2 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 1700/850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04 and 17
The XT1058 is FCC ID ihdt56pa1 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04,05 and 17
So the differences are that the XT1053 supports wcdma 1700 and the XT1058 supports LTE band 05.
Wcdma 1700 is the same frequency range as LTE band 04, LTE band 05 is 850 Mhz. So it would really seem the two models should both be able to support the same frequencies/bands. The iFixit tear down of an XT1058 indicated it has a multimode power amplifier module for Quad-Band GSM / EDGE and Penta-Band (Bands I, II, IV, V, VIII) WCDMA/ HSDPA/ HSUPA/ HSPA+/ LTE. It also has a separate power amp for LTE bands 12 and 17.
I can't see Motorola applying for multiple FCC ID certifications if the hardware really was identical but who really knows what the differences are. Is there a limitation to the total number of bands the phone controller can handle, so in one phone they selected wcdma 1700 and the other they selected LTE band 05? Is it possible AT&T wanted a phone that specifically couldn't do wcdma 1700 mhz?
I'm reasonably new to android and haven't done a lot of flashing, can someone please confirm if the full retail flash from an XT1053 can be loaded into an XT1058 (I assume an unlocked bootloader is required). And if someone has done it can they report back that the radio portion of the flash is updated and what the results are.
I'm also puzzled why Motorola got Canadian certification for the XT1058 model. If they had the XT1053 certified for use in Canada it would work on 5 providers instead of the three the XT1058 supports here(again unless that was purposely selected by Rogers Canada so the phone couldn't be used on two of the other providers here once sim unlocked).
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Rogers Canada has the 1058 , I usually flash at&t Roms but I have flashed t-mobile Roms too.
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can i flash t-mobile moto x firmware to my att moto x? just to remove the sim unlock code?
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can i flash t-mobile moto x firmware to my att moto x? just to remove the sim unlock code?
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No I don't believe so
Sent on my Moto X
Hmm, bad news for me
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Flash retail developer edition in xt1058 unlocked bootloader
Hello, this is my first first post, but i have been reading this forum since years ago.
I have a XT1058, i bought it in Mexico (America Movil version, shipped with locked bootloader). Following Motorola instructions I acquire to unlock the bootloader, then I followed one thread from here and flashed the AT&T KitKat, everithing is running fine so far.
Now I'm wondering is possible or anyone from here have the experience of flash a developer firmware in a XT1058 with unlocked bootloader (MOTO X, GSM Dev Edition:KK 4.4-13.11.1Q2.X-69-3_MR2 (Retail)), I want a more clean installation, without the bloatware included in the AT&T rom.
It is possible to mess the radios? I want to keep the LTE service.
Any comment will be really appreciated.
Thanks
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Hello, this is my first first post, but i have been reading this forum since years ago.
I have a XT1058, i bought it in Mexico (America Movil version, shipped with locked bootloader). Following Motorola instructions I acquire to unlock the bootloader, then I followed one thread from here and flashed the AT&T KitKat, everithing is running fine so far.
Now I'm wondering is possible or anyone from here have the experience of flash a developer firmware in a XT1058 with unlocked bootloader (MOTO X, GSM Dev Edition:KK 4.4-13.11.1Q2.X-69-3_MR2 (Retail)), I want a more clean installation, without the bloatware included in the AT&T rom.
It is possible to mess the radios? I want to keep the LTE service.
Any comment will be really appreciated.
Thanks
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I have a PR XT1058 and I'm running the Retail 4.4 ROM that you mentioned above and it's running fine. Apart from a little higher battery drain (I think), there's nothing to complain about.
I am also using the retail(tmobile) 4.4 with XT1058 hardware. I did flash the NON_HLOS.bin and fsg.mbn from the AT&T 4.4(XT1058 hardware) build though. I can't say for certain it makes a difference but I really feel like I see less time without a signal. I don't use 2600 Mhz/Band 7 LTE so I can't say if it is enabled or disabled at the moment.
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I am also using the retail(tmobile) 4.4 with XT1058 hardware. I did flash the NON_HLOS.bin and fsg.mbn from the AT&T 4.4(XT1058 hardware) build though. I can't say for certain it makes a difference but I really feel like I see less time without a signal. I don't use 2600 Mhz/Band 7 LTE so I can't say if it is enabled or disabled at the moment.
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How's your battery life?
Thanks you guys, I'll try the dev firmware, the worst thing that can happen is go back to AT&T in case something doesn't work properly
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How's your battery life?
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Excellent. I have no weird drains of any kind. I don't use wifi at all and only turn location services on if needed. I generally have the phone off charge for 17 hours per day, 2 hours of screen on time and end the day with 60 to 70% battery remaining. Most days I see a no signal percentage of 1 to 3%, if I disable LTE I will see no signal loss at all. My LTE is on the AWS band so its not super strong most places and only works upstairs at my house, in the basement I go back to HSPA.
I have switched between the AT&T 4.4 and the retail 4.4 build several times. I really did feel the AT&T build gave slightly better battery life until I flashed the modems. It is not a big enough difference to really quantify though. I have thought maybe the modem code in the Moto X was the same in all builds and it just selected the proper radios based on the detected hardware. I don't believe that is actually the case any longer though as I have read people with XT1058 hardware have lost the 2600 mhz band with the stock retail modem.
If my provider used the 2600 mhz band I'd test and verify but it is the other provider in town using it.
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Excellent. I have no weird drains of any kind. I don't use wifi at all and only turn location services on if needed. I generally have the phone off charge for 17 hours per day, 2 hours of screen on time and end the day with 60 to 70% battery remaining. Most days I see a no signal percentage of 1 to 3%, if I disable LTE I will see no signal loss at all. My LTE is on the AWS band so its not super strong most places and only works upstairs at my house, in the basement I go back to HSPA.
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Wow I wish I could say the same! My phone is currently at 15h 55m on battery and I'm down to 47%. Mobile data is off but everything else is on. Screen time is 37m.
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I have switched between the AT&T 4.4 and the retail 4.4 build several times. I really did feel the AT&T build gave slightly better battery life until I flashed the modems. It is not a big enough difference to really quantify though. I have thought maybe the modem code in the Moto X was the same in all builds and it just selected the proper radios based on the detected hardware. I don't believe that is actually the case any longer though as I have read people with XT1058 hardware have lost the 2600 mhz band with the stock retail modem.
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I just compared the md5 hashes of NON-HLOS.bin from ATT_XT1058_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-54_CFC_1FF.xml and TMO_RETAIL_XT1053_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-57_MR1_CFC.xml and they don't match. So the modem code in the Moto X is not the same in all builds, I think it's actually the other way round. I think the modem hardware is the same in all models and it just selects the proper radios based on loaded ROM.
On the weekend I didn't charge the phone Saturday night, phone was off charger for two days, 3.5 hours of screen on time, still had 25% when I plugged it in last night. I really found my biggest drain was the GPS and wifi looking for location all the time. I could care less if I ever use wifi so I leave it off. I don't want anything tracking me so I prefer to have GPS off completely. It does mean certain features don't work as well as intended though, I can't just ask google to tell me the temperature outside, it will get the location wrong as it has to fall back to my providers wireless IP location which is not that close to me.
Also got my dream phrase to work pretty good, I use "ok skynet now" to get the X to do stuff for me.
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I just compared the md5 hashes of NON-HLOS.bin from ATT_XT1058_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-54_CFC_1FF.xml and TMO_RETAIL_XT1053_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-57_MR1_CFC.xml and they don't match. So the modem code in the Moto X is not the same in all builds, I think it's actually the other way round. I think the modem hardware is the same in all models and it just selects the proper radios based on loaded ROM.
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I am pretty sure it is actually different, if they could make one hardware model they would as it would save them a ton of money. Receiving the FCC certifications for the different hardware is expensive, as is making more then one model. I know using the retail build does not magically enable HSPA/WCDMA on band 4 on my XT1058, I've checked several times.
Or if they aren't different they are programmed as different from the factory. If you do a "fastboot getvar all" you can see there is a flag which sets the radio hardware installed, it is 0x01 for an XT1058 and different for other models.
The CDMA models are also different for certain as they have an extra CDMA baseband processor in them which has been verified by hardware teardown.
Steve-x said:
I am pretty sure it is actually different, if they could make one hardware model they would as it would save them a ton of money. Receiving the FCC certifications for the different hardware is expensive, as is making more then one model. I know using the retail build does not magically enable HSPA/WCDMA on band 4 on my XT1058, I've checked several times.
Or if they aren't different they are programmed as different from the factory. If you do a "fastboot getvar all" you can see there is a flag which sets the radio hardware installed, it is 0x01 for an XT1058 and different for other models.
The CDMA models are also different for certain as they have an extra CDMA baseband processor in them which has been verified by hardware teardown.
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Makes sense...
Steve-x said:
I have switched between the AT&T 4.4 and the retail 4.4 build several times. I really did feel the AT&T build gave slightly better battery life until I flashed the modems. It is not a big enough difference to really quantify though. I have thought maybe the modem code in the Moto X was the same in all builds and it just selected the proper radios based on the detected hardware. I don't believe that is actually the case any longer though as I have read people with XT1058 hardware have lost the 2600 mhz band with the stock retail modem.
If my provider used the 2600 mhz band I'd test and verify but it is the other provider in town using it.
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I bought a used AT&T Moto X XT1058, now running KitKat 4.4 on the stock rom, but rooted so that I could use my Tmobile SIM.
I've been trying to find a way to flash the retail version of KitKat 4.4 in place of the AT&T rom, but I don't see how to do it with a locked bootloader. Can you explain (or point to a thread) how you were able to switch from AT&T 4.4 to retail 4.4?
Thanks!
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I bought a used AT&T Moto X XT1058, now running KitKat 4.4 on the stock rom, but rooted so that I could use my Tmobile SIM.
I've been trying to find a way to flash the retail version of KitKat 4.4 in place of the AT&T rom, but I don't see how to do it with a locked bootloader. Can you explain (or point to a thread) how you were able to switch from AT&T 4.4 to retail 4.4?
Thanks!
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My XT1058 is from Rogers Canada, they allow bootloader unlocking. I don't think it can be done with a locked bootloader.
galt$gulch said:
I bought a used AT&T Moto X XT1058, now running KitKat 4.4 on the stock rom, but rooted so that I could use my Tmobile SIM.
I've been trying to find a way to flash the retail version of KitKat 4.4 in place of the AT&T rom, but I don't see how to do it with a locked bootloader. Can you explain (or point to a thread) how you were able to switch from AT&T 4.4 to retail 4.4?
Thanks!
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I don't think @Steve-x has an AT&T XT1058, he probably has one of those Latin American XT1058s (like mine) which bootloader can be unlocked.
Edit: He just confirmed that it's actually a Canadian XT1058.
Afaik, you cannot flash another carrier's ROM with a locked bootloader unless both carrier ROMs have the same CID. For example, all Latin American ROMs are CID12, so I think you can flash ROMs from different Latin American carriers on a Latin American phone without unlocking the bootloader, but you wouldn't be able to flash another ROM which has a different CID.
I 'm not sure what CID the Retail US ROM has, but I don't think it has the same CID as the AT&T ROM.
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I don't think @Steve-x has an AT&T XT1058, he probably has one of those Latin American XT1058s (like mine) which bootloader can be unlocked.
Edit: He just confirmed that it's actually a Canadian XT1058.
Afaik, you cannot flash another carrier's ROM with a locked bootloader unless both carrier ROMs have the same CID. For example, all Latin American ROMs are CID12, so I think you can flash ROMs from different Latin American carriers on a Latin American phone without unlocking the bootloader, but you wouldn't be able to flash another ROM which has a different CID.
I 'm not sure what CID the Retail US ROM has, but I don't think it has the same CID as the AT&T ROM.
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Thanks guys. Okay. I'll keep watching for boot loader exploits, or otherwise see about selling my phone to buy a T-Mobile version.
Hi, I also flashed unmodéle XT1058 AmericaMovil with TMO-Rom XT1053 and my Moto x became a 1053 XT, so it's great ROM that determines xTxxx type and not the hardware.
Best rergards - The 4G is already on use in Belgium , with this configuration and carrier BASE . . . Enjoy !
Just wondering if the VZW variant will work on AT&T, I know it works on T-Mobile but not sure about AT&T.
bose301s said:
Just wondering if the VZW variant will work on AT&T, I know it works on T-Mobile but not sure about AT&T.
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Yes, I bought a new one yesterday and just popped in my at&t based net 10 card switched to global and put in the apn.
Big question is will LTE work?
Me thinks no
I'm on AT&T with my VS980, but HSPA+ is what you will get (I understand there is some very small areas where you may get LTE). That said, I am ok with the speeds on my device, no problem for me with browsing, email, forums, mms, youtube etc...
AT&T LTE is different band
The VZW LTE band is (block C, band 13) which I believe is 746-787MHz. The AT&T band is band 5 (I think it's 850MHz range). I think it's more complicated since not all bands for AT&T cover the continental US - refer to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies for more exact info. I am guessing that the radio hardware in the phone can probably handle all the bands (just assuming the SOC's etc. are designed to cover all current LTE bands) but probably radio drivers and possibly antenna designs need to set the proper bands for the carriers network. So my take is while theoretically it *could* work it probably won't work due to software configuration issues that would need to be addressed at the driver level.
There is a thread in the qa section that has some good detail "Working AT&T LTE for Verizon G2"
It will work because I popped in a straight talk/ ATT Sim into a VS980 just the other day. I configured the APN and was able to send/receive texts, make calls and browse the internet. I pulled about 7mpbs according to speedtest.
OK ? I have a Verizon lg g2 with at&t and I can not for the life of me get data how do I get data maybe I need a correct APN my phone only shows bars no h no 4g no nothing any help I would be appreciated thanx
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try theses apn settings.
http://apn-settings.com/us/att-apn-settings/
I only get H. No LTE
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Just have this annoying ass Sim card symbol in the status bar with a ? Inside it
I will be taking my verizon XT1060 DE phone to the UK in a couple of weeks. Last time I was there I picked up a gifgaf card but didn't have time to focus on trying to use data. This time, I'd like to be able to use LTE data but most, if not all, carriers in the UK use band 3 and 20. I believe the xt1060 has bands 4 and 13 enabled. Is there any way to enable the UK bands on the phone?
Unfortunately, no. It's a hardware limitation.
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Unfortunately, no. It's a hardware limitation.
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Per FCC approval, the verizon version has hardware for lte bands 2/4/7/13 - Verizon
The current XT1060 rom/radio files only supports LTE Bands 4 and 13.
I have seen nothing on enabling other bands, nor have I seen the rom/radio files from other modes which are compatible to flash in order to enable any other LTE bands.
i.e. No matter what the hardware is capable of supporting, as it stands today, you are stuck with LTE Bands 4 and 13 only on the XT1060.
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Per FCC approval, the verizon version has hardware for lte bands 2/4/7/13 - Verizon
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just to make this clear:
does the vzw xt1060 has hardware limitations for band 7 or not?
if i flash e.g. the rogers or at&t radios i will result in a phone with imei = 0 until flashing back to the vzw radios?
is the cdma&"worldphone" chipset responsible for this?
thanks in advance
You can't enable bands that aren't supported. That's it. ?
Hi,
I'm currently living in Israel (i.e. not in the US), and I want to get LTE in my Moto X Pure Edition (XT1095). I am using SIM card from a local carrier (Golan Telecom), and although the carrier provides a LTE service, I couldn't activate it in the phone (the 3G working though). After speaking with a Golan rep, he told me that they are fairly new carrier, and therefore some phones doesn't 'know' that they can have LTE with Golan (it's happens also with LG phones), and they are working with the OEM's to update their firmwares to include Golan in the LTE providers list.
Moto X doesn't has a widespread distribution here, and it's logical that Golan won't make any effort to reach Motorola and enable the LTE on the phone. I want to know what should I need to do in my side (modding the phone and such) to enable LTE in my phone (in other phones I know that there is configuration files which, with a root access, you can change and enabling the connection, I don't know how it works with the Moto X).
Thanks in advance,
It could be as simple as an APN issue. Your carrier should be able to provide you with the correct APN settings for LTE and then you can manually add them under Settings -> More -> Cellular Networks -> Access Point Names.
raptir said:
It could be as simple as an APN issue. Your carrier should be able to provide you with the correct APN settings for LTE and then you can manually add them under Settings -> More -> Cellular Networks -> Access Point Names.
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That the thing, the carrier claims there is no different APN configuration for LTE, it's the same as the 3G configuration, and apparently it's works like that with the other phones.
Therefore, I asked how to mod the phone, or how to do some other tricks to enable the LTE on the phone.
I know this variant sold only in the US, and in Europe you get another variant (the XT1092), so maybe Europeans who use this variant encountered with problems using the phone too.
One possibility: when the XT1095 was launched, I believe the LTE bands available were limited to 2, 4 and 17, which are the main US carrier LTE bands. In the Lollipop upgrade, Motorola included activation of more bands including those used typically in Europe and the Middle East (3,5 and 7). I am assuming Golan Telecom use European band(s) for LTE, so If you don't have Android 5.0 or above, you're still in Android 4.4, upgrading to this version could resolve your problem.
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One possibility: when the XT1095 was launched, I believe the LTE bands available were limited to 2, 4 and 17, which are the main US carrier LTE bands. In the Lollipop upgrade, Motorola included activation of more bands including those used typically in Europe and the Middle East (3,5 and 7). I am assuming Golan Telecom use European band(s) for LTE, so If you don't have Android 5.0 or above, you're still in Android 4.4, upgrading to this version could resolve your problem.
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Thank you all for the answers, but I did install the Lollipop update and it didn't bring LTE to the phone.
I know that LG phones have a configuration file, located in the system/app folder. named lteconfigs.apk, which includes list of all the LTE carriers , and supposed to inform the phone that the carrier providing LTE. I don't know, but maybe something like this exist in Motorola phones, and right now my carrier not listed there (just a thought).
Sorry but that lte config file does not exist in our phone.
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What bands does your company support? Maybe they use a band that our phone doesn't support?
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AGISCI said:
Sorry but that lte config file does not exist in our phone.
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What bands does your company support? Maybe they use a band that our phone doesn't support?
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Currently it supports band 3, and I know the Lollipop update activate the band, so I guess it's supposed to work out of the box.
chilikla said:
Hi,
I'm currently living in Israel (i.e. not in the US), and I want to get LTE in my Moto X Pure Edition (XT1095). I am using SIM card from a local carrier (Golan Telecom), and although the carrier provides a LTE service, I couldn't activate it in the phone (the 3G working though). After speaking with a Golan rep, he told me that they are fairly new carrier, and therefore some phones doesn't 'know' that they can have LTE with Golan (it's happens also with LG phones), and they are working with the OEM's to update their firmwares to include Golan in the LTE providers list.
Moto X doesn't has a widespread distribution here, and it's logical that Golan won't make any effort to reach Motorola and enable the LTE on the phone. I want to know what should I need to do in my side (modding the phone and such) to enable LTE in my phone (in other phones I know that there is configuration files which, with a root access, you can change and enabling the connection, I don't know how it works with the Moto X).
Thanks in advance,
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5.1 PE update is bringing more bands. Here in Latinamerica 5.0 PE didn't work, and 5.1 is working ok.
Cheers!
manueltts said:
5.1 PE update is bringing more bands. Here in Latinamerica 5.0 PE didn't work, and 5.1 is working ok.
Cheers!
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Oh, thanks! I will wait for the official OTA.
I'm confused... The carrier operates on band 3,which is already activated in LP 5.0. What bands are being activated in 5.1 that would make a difference?
Quick rundown of my situation....
I was using an XT1097 on AT&T, broke my screen and went through Motorola to replace it. For a replacement they sent me an XT1095. Opened it up and immediately took the Lollipop update but everything on it is T-Mo, including the baseband. Maybe it's just in my head but I feel like the 4G coverage is not the same. Places at my job I used to get service and 4G do not work anymore or are very spotty. Would having all the T-Mo info on it affect me? Is there anyway to put the AT&T stuff back on it? I unlocked the bootloader, rooted and installed TWRP.
Just not sure what my options are....
KB
KB Smoka said:
Quick rundown of my situation....
I was using an XT1097 on AT&T, broke my screen and went through Motorola to replace it. For a replacement they sent me an XT1095. Opened it up and immediately took the Lollipop update but everything on it is T-Mo, including the baseband. Maybe it's just in my head but I feel like the 4G coverage is not the same. Places at my job I used to get service and 4G do not work anymore or are very spotty. Would having all the T-Mo info on it affect me? Is there anyway to put the AT&T stuff back on it? I unlocked the bootloader, rooted and installed TWRP.
Just not sure what my options are....
KB
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The hardware is different. AT&T uses a LTE band that the 1095 is missing. Maybe changing the APN could have more signal but I doubt ...
juliospinoza said:
The hardware is different. AT&T uses a LTE band that the 1095 is missing. Maybe changing the APN could have more signal but I doubt ...
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Didn't Motorola restore the missing bands in the PE with the 5.0 update?
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Didn't Motorola restore the missing bands in the PE with the 5.0 update?
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XT1095 (GSM Unlocked US Pure edition), UMTS Bands (850/900/1700/1900/2100), LTE Bands (2/3/4/5/7/17/29) [Sim unlocked and capatable with most GSM networks including AT&T and T-Mobile; LTE bands software restricted to 2/4/17]
XT1097 (AT&T US, Retail Brazil), UMTS Bands (850,900,1700,1900,2100), LTE Bands (2/3/4/5/7/17/29) [The AT&T doesn't support LTE band 29 (software restricted) and is SIM locked whereas the non-US variants are SIM unlocked]
try flashing a xt1097 modem in order to use the LTE bands you company requires.
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try flashing a xt1097 modem in order to use the LTE bands you company requires.
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I was't sure if there were any risks in doing that but I will certainly look into it....
I guess I've been lucky, my xt1095 works just as great as my xt1097 did on att.
There is a thread over on motorola's forum that states that the software restriction to 2/4/17 present on XT1095 with KK was removed with the OTA to LL. So it should support the same LTE bands as the ATT version.
Performance between the two phones should be identical as they have the exact same hardware and Motorola enabled all of the bands on the XT1095.
I have seen phones take time to build a list of available signals in the area though.
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Performance between the two phones should be identical as they have the exact same hardware and Motorola enabled all of the bands on the XT1095.
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So once MoFo is opened up for the ATT XT1097, they should be able to flash XT1095 images as long as they are in ext4 format?
Or another way of thinking about it, if the ATT XT1097's bootloader could be unlocked (i know currently it can't be) then they should be able to flash XT1095 Custom ROMs correct?
Yes it should be fine. It's the same thing done with XT1097's from other providers that do allow boot loader unlocking such as Telus and Wind Mobile in Canada.
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There is a thread over on motorola's forum that states that the software restriction to 2/4/17 present on XT1095 with KK was removed with the OTA to LL. So it should support the same LTE bands as the ATT version.
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No, it hasn't been removed yet. It's been confirmed that at some point they will activate those bands but it hasn't been done yet.
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Performance between the two phones should be identical as they have the exact same hardware and Motorola enabled all of the bands on the XT1095.
I have seen phones take time to build a list of available signals in the area though.
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It's definitely not identical and from what I've read they have not activated all of the bands yet. Hopefully soon.
There is no way to tell what bands are available on the phone is there?
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No, it hasn't been removed yet. It's been confirmed that at some point they will activate those bands but it hasn't been done yet.
It's definitely not identical and from what I've read they have not activated all of the bands yet. Hopefully soon.
There is no way to tell what bands are available on the phone is there?
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Are you sure? There are people posting over at Motorola's forum saying that since they took the LL OTA with the new baseband, they have been able to get LTE on bands 3,5 and 7.
I can't check this myself. I always connect to ATT's LTE on band 17 on my XT1095. I used LTE discovery to see what band I was using when connected.
From what I've seen/read they still weren't added but I could be wrong. I really hope I am right because in my case the experience between the XT1097 and XT1095 has been very different. I will give LTE discovery a try and see what's up.
Thanks!
I am 99.99999% sure the bands were enabled. Several people in Canada are using the XT1095 with LTE bands 2,4,5,7 and 17.