I've had my xt1060 developer edition for a week now and have taken the 4.4 update. Before I go any further with this thing I'm trying to get a solid handle on upgrading and downgrading firmware...
- What I have gathered to date is that no phones with unlocked bootloaders can be downgraded without potentially bricking the phone, with the exception of the VZ 4.4 to 4.2.2 camera fix due to bootloader revision. Is this true even for the developer edition? Common sense tells me a developer phone should be able to run any version of stock firmware for "developer" purposes.
- In my reading I'm thinking there may be bootloader free flashable updates, e.g. android update 4.3 for the GS3. Is this true? As I can't seem to locate what I believe to be a stock firmware for the VZ edition.
- At this point with the released firmwares being pretty bare there really isn't a reason to want to downgrade but who knows what the future may hold, again look what Samsung and VZ did to us GS3 owners with the 4.3 release.
I'm thinking many of the issues posted are from people cross flashing firmware, avoiding doing this makes sense to me especially for an incremental upgrade.
I have to say that I feel information is inconsistent and hard to follow due to all of the different carrier and bootloaders. I assumed this phone would be similar to my old GNex when it came to flashing but it apparently is not nearly as forgiving.
Finally, am I missing any critical "must know" information?
Thanks
edthesped said:
I've had my xt1060 developer edition for a week now and have taken the 4.4 update. Before I go any further with this thing I'm trying to get a solid handle on upgrading and downgrading firmware...
- What I have gathered to date is that no phones with unlocked bootloaders can be downgraded without potentially bricking the phone, with the exception of the VZ 4.4 to 4.2.2 camera fix due to bootloader revision. Is this true even for the developer edition? Common sense tells me a developer phone should be able to run any version of stock firmware for "developer" purposes.
- In my reading I'm thinking there may be bootloader free flashable updates, e.g. android update 4.3 for the GS3. Is this true? As I can't seem to locate what I believe to be a stock firmware for the VZ edition.
- At this point with the released firmwares being pretty bare there really isn't a reason to want to downgrade but who knows what the future may hold, again look what Samsung and VZ did to us GS3 owners with the 4.3 release.
I'm thinking many of the issues posted are from people cross flashing firmware, avoiding doing this makes sense to me especially for an incremental upgrade.
I have to say that I feel information is inconsistent and hard to follow due to all of the different carrier and bootloaders. I assumed this phone would be similar to my old GNex when it came to flashing but it apparently is not nearly as forgiving.
Finally, am I missing any critical "must know" information?
Thanks
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Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2635366
All unlock boot loader motos are in the same boat, even DE variants
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X
flashallthetime said:
Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2635366
All unlock boot loader motos are in the same boat, even DE variants
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X
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How'd I miss that!?
IDK
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I was wondering if there was a way to change my moto x xt1058 (currently with 4.4.2 Movistar Argentina) to an international or carrier free firmware?
I looked up in the firmware link from motorola and there seems it doesnt exist a 4.4.4 update, yet for the moto G it doesnt either but my brother currently have his on 4.4.4
Thanks in advance guys
AFAIK there's no international or carrier-free firmware per-se. You may want an AOSP-based ROM like SlimROM, DirtyUnicorns, etc.
You can flash a bloatware free version, though, but it will still be based on some carrer's ROM.
As of today, only Verizon has released its official 4.4.4 and will be full of bloatware also.
fortunately my phone came bloatware-free.
So the only 4.4.4 update out there is Verizon's?
My idea was to flash a firmware from which i would be able to get the earliest OTAs
ramarivera said:
fortunately my phone came bloatware-free.
So the only 4.4.4 update out there is Verizon's?
My idea was to flash a firmware from which i would be able to get the earliest OTAs
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Not only is this very risky (flashing another carrier's ROM), but also it doesn't mean that you'll get updates quickly at all!
In the case of the Moto X, Motorola has staggered the updates across all carriers. The camera update came first for 1 carrier. Then the 4.4 update came first for a different carrier. The 4.4.2 update was first for yet another carrier. The 4.4.3 update came first for the XT1053, and the 4.4.4 update came first for Verizon. There is nothing you can do to make sure you receive updates "earliest" - unless you switch carrier ROMS each time a new update is released. Not only is this ill-advised, but it could leave you with an expensive paperweight.
My advise is be patient. Your carrier WILL get it soon.
So I keep seeing these articles about the carrier versions getting the 4.4.4 update and I check and see my Dev Edition phone has 4.4.3. Naturally, I check for updates, but it says my software is up to date?
Does the Dev Edition not require 4.4.4?
Its most recent version for it is 4.4.3, but the newest image Moto will GIVE you to restore to is 4.4.2.... stupid as trying to do that will brick your phone.
Bionic22 said:
So I keep seeing these articles about the carrier versions getting the 4.4.4 update and I check and see my Dev Edition phone has 4.4.3. Naturally, I check for updates, but it says my software is up to date?
Does the Dev Edition not require 4.4.4?
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If you are referring to the GSM dev edition, then NO. Not yet. It might not get it at all and go straight to Android L instead...we don't know.
You see, you are on 4.4.3 -- which is *exactly* the same as 4.4.4 except for the ssl bug and a few other minor code changes. You were one of the first to get 4.4.3.
The other carriers HALTED their 4.4.3 roll-out once the SSL bug was discovered. Instead, they fixed the bug and called it "4.4.4".
There is really nothing important that you don't already have in 4.4.3 that 4.4.4 can offer, so no reason to be in a rush. The likelyhood of you leaking any data due to the ssl bug is astronomically small since you are using a smart phone.
Hope that helps explain things...
knitler said:
Its most recent version for it is 4.4.3, but the newest image Moto will GIVE you to restore to is 4.4.2.... stupid as trying to do that will brick your phone.
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Stupid indeed! I discussed this same topic with another member...
Fortunately, you can find the entire 4.4.3 SBF here: http://sbf.droid-developers.org/download.php?device=0&file=919
so this question got me escalate to moto level 3 support - i have a 1053 dev edition unlocked/rooted that was used on tmo for about 8 months, got the ota 4.4.3 from them no prob. now switched carriers and the sim swap went fine and the coverage in my area is much better, but i'm afraid that the upgrade path is muddled.
i can't get the 4.4.4 ota from att, and cant find the zip anywhere. i reinstalled stock recovery, still no go. my hypothesis is that the att won't see my phone as eligible for ota since it is not a version 4.4.2 that it's designed to upgrade. or, maybe i'm a total noob and don't know wtf i'm saying. a lil help? ideas? things to try? i'm at a loss....
The xt1053 does not have 4.4.4 yet. You're fine, you just need to keep waiting.
Sent from my XT1058 using Tapatalk
OTAs aren't released by the carrier, they are specific to the phone model. In your case, the XT1053. As AGISCI said, 4.4.4 isn't available for the 1053 yet. Also, the difference between 4.4.3 and 4.4.4 is very small, mostly just a good for a bug.
i have no problem waiting as a former gnex/vzw person...
...but i just wanted to make sure i didn't paint myself in a corner and be forever on 4.4.3 - i'll keep looking to moto for the eventual update. Thanks for the reply
Nope, you're up to date. We'll see if they even bother with the 4.4.4 update, or whether they just skip it when android L is released with the new nexus (also reported to be made by moto).
Hey all,
I was wondering if anyone knows of any way I can get Lollipop running on my US Cellular Moto X (2nd Generation). As far as I know they haven't pushed out an update and they've been pretty quiet if they even will. If anyone knows, let me know! Thanks!
It's possible to get 5.0 on XT1093, but buggy and difficult. Not really worth it IMO. The Liquid Smooth, CM, Ressurection, etc custom ROMs will work for you though.
A little birdy whispered in my ear it won't be too much longer before Lollipop officially comes to USCC's Moto X 2014...
borxnx said:
It's possible to get 5.0 on XT1093, but buggy and difficult. Not really worth it IMO. The Liquid Smooth, CM, Ressurection, etc custom ROMs will work for you though.
A little birdy whispered in my ear it won't be too much longer before Lollipop officially comes to USCC's Moto X 2014...
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And where have you heard that it won't be long until the USCC version gets an update? As far as I can recall they don't have an amazing track record with updating devices quickly...
sportsinger75 said:
And where have you heard that it won't be long until the USCC version gets an update? As far as I can recall they don't have an amazing track record with updating devices quickly...
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I agree they haven't been known for timely updates for most devices. However, they have done very well with Moto X and Nexus 6 so far, and considering Lollipop is currently running on LESS THAN 0.1% of all Android devices it's safe to say they're not exactly "behind" on the Moto X 2014 either. They got the original Moto X updates extremely quickly, faster than or on par with major carriers in fact.
I have heard that Lollipop soak testing is underway for our device. I'm not a soak tester myself, but this is what I have heard.
borxnx said:
I agree they haven't been known for timely updates for most devices. However, they have done very well with Moto X and Nexus 6 so far, and considering Lollipop is currently running on LESS THAN 0.1% of all Android devices it's safe to say they're not exactly "behind" on the Moto X 2014 either. They got the original Moto X updates extremely quickly, faster than or on par with major carriers in fact.
I have heard that Lollipop soak testing is underway for our device. I'm not a soak tester myself, but this is what I have heard.
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Good points there. I went and signed up for the Motorola Feedback Network, so we'll see what happens with that.
Sent from my XT1093 using XDA Free mobile app
Android 5.0 rolling out to the US Cellular variant today
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sportsinger75 said:
Good points there. I went and signed up for the Motorola Feedback Network, so we'll see what happens with that.
Sent from my XT1093 using XDA Free mobile app
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Now that soak is over, soak testing started 1/16, probably the reason you missed getting in. borxnx was right on the money! I'm pretty happy with how fast Motorola got the soak out and final firmware. I can tell you that Lollipop runs like a dream on the XT1093, and you are all in for a treat!
xRogerxC said:
Now that soak is over, soak testing started 1/16, probably the reason you missed getting in. borxnx was right on the money! I'm pretty happy with how fast Motorola got the soak out and final firmware. I can tell you that Lollipop runs like a dream on the XT1093, and you are all in for a treat!
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What version is your firmware? I mean where did you get that? Chinese, american? Because I have the Chinese version but I want the american one. Thanks in advance
juliospinoza said:
What version is your firmware? I mean where did you get that? Chinese, american? Because I have the Chinese version but I want the american one. Thanks in advance
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for me its look like chinese 5.0.2 firmware , @xRogerxC can you post screenshot "about phone" all info below "android version" ?
you post this pictures on all forums if you cheating you must be very sad person
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/general/5-0-2-moto-x-china-firmware-t3024025
niko99 said:
for me its look like chinese 5.0.2 firmware , @xRogerxC can you post screenshot "about phone" all info below "android version" ?
you post this pictures on all forums if you cheating you must be very sad person
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/general/5-0-2-moto-x-china-firmware-t3024025
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Before you accuse me of cheating, try reading my original post more thoroughly. I was part of the soak test! Also, if you looked at my original screenshot, the baseband alone would show you that it was developed for US Cellular (USC). I have posted the rest of the screenshot so there is no doubt in your feeble mind that I am running official firmware! Also, this firmware was the final soak version. I do not know if the OTA will be a different version from what I currently have, as I have not received the OTA myself. I hope this satisfies your pessimism.
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What version is your firmware? I mean where did you get that? Chinese, american? Because I have the Chinese version but I want the american one. Thanks in advance
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You'll need to wait for the OTA, which is in the process of rolling out
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You'll need to wait for the OTA, which is in the process of rolling out
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I won't receive OTA because I am in different system. My phone is XT1097 and now is XT1085 (chinese). that's why I was asking about where you get the firmware because I want an american image to test the moto voice, chinese version is not working properly, but I see your post below that you are in soak program.
Just a comment, no matter if you are in chinese, american, european you can always have your original baseband with different system, even when is not meant to use it, that's why we asked about it.
regards!
xRogerxC said:
Before you accuse me of cheating, try reading my original post more thoroughly. I was part of the soak test! Also, if you looked at my original screenshot, the baseband alone would show you that it was developed for US Cellular (USC). I have posted the rest of the screenshot so there is no doubt in your feeble mind that I am running official firmware! Also, this firmware was the final soak version. I do not know if the OTA will be a different version from what I currently have, as I have not received the OTA myself. I hope this satisfies your pessimism.
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very sorry and I give back honor, and i can eat my hat , you know that was so strange You are only one person on every forums what got this update ( soak no matter ).
sorry once again !
niko99 said:
very sorry and I give back honor, and i can eat my hat , you know that was so strange You are only one person on every forums what got this update ( soak no matter ).
sorry once again !
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No problem @niko99. I haven't received the OTA yet myself. I'm not really sure if the firmware I have will be changed in the OTA, or if it will stay the same, just know it is the last update during the soak test
I got the OTA but now under about this phone and status
Network: unknown
Cellular network type: unknown
Service state: Voice ut of service / Data: out of service
Cellular Network State: Disconnected
My Phone Number: Unknown
Please help desperate need!
phillybizzle said:
I got the OTA but now under about this phone and status
Network: unknown
Cellular network type: unknown
Service state: Voice ut of service / Data: out of service
Cellular Network State: Disconnected
My Phone Number: Unknown
Please help desperate need!
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so, you loose signal at all. is weird, because the OTA has patchs for every partition, even for the modems, in you case you have a problem with the modem, you need to flash your stock modem (NOH and fsg.mbn files) via fastboot
Hope this help you
juliospinoza said:
so, you loose signal at all. is weird, because the OTA has patchs for every partition, even for the modems, in you case you have a problem with the modem, you need to flash your stock modem (NOH and fsg.mbn files) via fastboot
Hope this help you
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i cannot for the life of me find the stock modem files anywhere!!!!!!!!!!
xRogerxC said:
Now that soak is over, soak testing started 1/16, probably the reason you missed getting in. borxnx was right on the money! I'm pretty happy with how fast Motorola got the soak out and final firmware. I can tell you that Lollipop runs like a dream on the XT1093, and you are all in for a treat!
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phillybizzle said:
i cannot for the life of me find the stock modem files anywhere!!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe he can help you. He has the stock firmware. You only need to ask.
By the way, if there is any system image of your phone out there you can use the modems, is indifferent if is kit Kat or Lollipop, they will work in both systems.
Good luck
juliospinoza said:
so, you loose signal at all. is weird, because the OTA has patchs for every partition, even for the modems, in you case you have a problem with the modem, you need to flash your stock modem (NOH and fsg.mbn files) via fastboot
Hope this help you
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juliospinoza said:
Maybe he can help you. He has the stock firmware. You only need to ask.
By the way, if there is any system image of your phone out there you can use the modems, is indifferent if is kit Kat or Lollipop, they will work in both systems.
Good luck
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i just downloaded this file :
USC_XT1093_4.4.4_KXE21.187-43_cid9_CFC.xml
and tried manually to reflash the stock recovery only i am getting a error in pink text saying "mismatched partition size (recovery)"
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i just downloaded this file :
USC_XT1093_4.4.4_KXE21.187-43_cid9_CFC.xml
and tried manually to reflash the stock recovery only i am getting a error in pink text saying "mismatched partition size (recovery)"
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Yes and that's because you are trying to flash and old stock recovery version, if you want to downgrade you have to use different steps here is the post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/help/lollipop-to-kit-kat-t2986044
In your case you only need to flash the NOH and fsg files. By now I am not at my computer but here is my post check the steps to recover signal after an OTA update
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2972693