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I recently compared my 4 month old Galaxy S-AMOLED display with a recently bought one.. There is visible difference between the maximum brightness in both screens. The newer one looks brighter with better colors when compared to my older Galaxy S. Both are GT-i9000 international version, and I used similar images to compare the screens..
Does the Super AMOLED display deteriorate with time? Also please tell me if this will covered under warranty..
It does deteriorate quite quickly. Especially the blue pixels. Not keeping it on high brightness levels helps the screen deteriorate less quick. And I'm not sure but I had read somewhere that when it comes to "burn in" if the effected area is greater than 8 pixels then you can replace it under guarantee.
Does the Super AMOLED display deteriorate with time? Also please tell me if this will covered under warranty..
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Yes every lcd screen would die one day but Super AMOLED dies with burn in faster, but still would give you 3-5yrs of life.
On daily basis keep the brightness to low or lowest when you need to brighten up put finger on notification bar & slide it to right (bright) slide it to left (dark).
Hope this helps you to get more life from your lcd.
thanx a lot guys.. will go for warranty and let yawl know how it goes..
No this is not another one of those "I've got a screen issue" thread, For those who still have their Galaxy S1/S2 or even a Samsung Wave, how deep are the blacks on the Galaxy Note compared to them?
I ask this since I no longer have any other SAMOLED device aside from the G-Note and I noticed that the black levels are not very deep, infact they are like LCD's with backlit when you view an all black or watch a movie/picture with a good majority of blacks.
Can anyone be so kind as to test and compare in a dark room showing the phone stock test image found under *#0*# ( dialer ) I've been getting reports from other users that the black levels on the G-Note is not as deep as the S1 or S2, Trying to figure out if this is normal or some really bad gamma issue/hardware limits.
Since there has been a HUGE failure of people reading or understanding what this thread is, it is not a complaint thread its more of an inquiry thread on what you are getting with your screen. Those who dont have a previous SuperAMOLED device you guys cannot contribute anything on this thread since you wont have any basis of comparison so please stop trolling.
Darker than a black steer's tookus on a moonless prairie night.
Anyone else with a meaningful post comparing the S1/S2 vs the Note in black levels?
Like any other OLED technology, there is no backlight, so the blacks should be as black as if the screen were off.
What you might be noticing is fringing, the light leaking out from the neighboring pixels.
It could also be an optical illusion (you are seeing a black object with lighter surroundings it might make the blacks "not seem as dark"), I tested it myself, I got an opaque piece of paper with a small hole in it and placed it against a black part of an image, and compared it with the screen off. It looked the same to me.
I can't compare it with the S1 or S2 since I don't have them, but with as with any other OLED screen, as long as the black parts of the image is truly digitally black, as in that part of the picture is 000000 on the RGB color model, it should be equally black as if that part of the screen were off.
No difference in the black levels when they are properly rendered on the note vs gs2. The software bug though sometimes makes blacks grey so viewing the same video on both screens dark areas look better on the gs2. This will be fixed with an update and as others have said true black=off with oled so black will be black on any oled screen.
In gallery i get true blacks and images look the same on both screens apart from much bigger and sharper on the note. If i make this image a lock screen its sometimes grey with banding on the now instead of true black.
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Don't know about black, but the screen it's forkin bright, too bright for day time use even on the lowest setting
The Black arent 100% fully black. If you turn the lights lights of you can see some very very deep grey. It black enough tbh, I am not complaining!
rigurat said:
Like any other OLED technology, there is no backlight, so the blacks should be as black as if the screen were off.
What you might be noticing is fringing, the light leaking out from the neighboring pixels.
It could also be an optical illusion (you are seeing a black object with lighter surroundings it might make the blacks "not seem as dark"), I tested it myself, I got an opaque piece of paper with a small hole in it and placed it against a black part of an image, and compared it with the screen off. It looked the same to me.
I can't compare it with the S1 or S2 since I don't have them, but with as with any other OLED screen, as long as the black parts of the image is truly digitally black, as in that part of the picture is 000000 on the RGB color model, it should be equally black as if that part of the screen were off.
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lol wut?
If you have a phone with a SAMOLED screen go to a black room and bring up the LCD test menu, the black is at 000000 and you will see a faint glow, you can very easily tell if the screen is displaying a black color or if the screen is locked. Why websites say their testing machines report infinite contrast ratio is beyond me.
If you cant tell the difference of the screen displaying black and when the screen is locked ( off ) either you got the most absolute perfect screen or you need to actually check rather theory craft.
martcerv said:
No difference in the black levels when they are properly rendered on the note vs gs2.
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The main point of my question is not about "when rendered properly" just bring up the LCD test menu on your galaxy note and galaxy S2 and check if the note has a higher glow on its black levels. mine is extremely high from what I can remember on the Galaxy S2, infact I can label it an an LCD backlight instead of SAMOLED blacks. But if im in daylight the blacks are pretty good.
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The Black arent 100% fully black. If you turn the lights lights of you can see some very very deep grey. It black enough tbh, I am not complaining!
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Its not about complaining, I just wanted to ask for those who have the note and also have the S1/S2 to make a comparison if the black levels are similar.
Im at a loss as to why this feat is extremely hard for the people who replied on the thread so far, I guess I am asking to much.
No one has the S2 and S1 and the galaxy note. why would they? the note is amazing!
Galaxy Note black has more leak than previous Super AMOLED and Super AMOLED Plus screens.
I'll come up with measurements a bit later.
well, Kabayan i have both... i can confirm your finding that S2 does have deeper blacks... last night i viewed the Dota2 trailer video on S2 and Note side by side... @ the beginning of the clip where there are lots of black displayed, its noticeable in my eyes...
I decided to create a pure black wallpaper on photoshop, transfer it to S2 and Note, set both brightness @ max, go to the complete dark room and view the mentioned wallpaper on gallery; its positive that S2's dsplay shows deeper black than Note... Though i have the display tuning app by SUPERCURIO on my S2 which i think we'll also consider...
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Good to hear from you SUPERCURIO... its always a breath for us having you here... So, can we expect some fix? hehehehhe... More power...
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lol wut?
If you have a phone with a SAMOLED screen go to a black room and bring up the LCD test menu, the black is at 000000 and you will see a faint glow, you can very easily tell if the screen is displaying a black color or if the screen is locked. Why websites say their testing machines report infinite contrast ratio is beyond me.
If you cant tell the difference of the screen displaying black and when the screen is locked ( off ) either you got the most absolute perfect screen or you need to actually check rather theory craft.
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An OLED display works without a backlight. Thus, it can display deep black levels and can be thinner and lighter than liquid crystal displays (LCDs). In low ambient light conditions such as dark rooms an OLED screen can achieve a higher contrast ratio than an LCD, whether the LCD uses either cold cathode fluorescent lamps or the more recently developed LED backlight. Due to their low thermal conductivity, they typically emit less light per area than inorganic LEDs.
When the display is "showing" black, the "black pixels" are actually inactive. In other words, the black parts of the screen is off.
The black levels on my screen is also 100% black. If i go into a dark room with a 100% black wallpaper, i won't see the screen.
I have an S1, S2 and Note. Showed all 3 at Samsung service centre just to prove the Note's screen was crap. Should be getting it back to day with a new screen. The S1 screen still seems the best in terms of brightness and uniform white.
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Galaxy Note black has more leak than previous Super AMOLED and Super AMOLED Plus screens.
I'll come up with measurements a bit later.
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Yay supercurio. It's good to see you.
It does have more light leak on pure blacks, but coming from an Atrix (LCD) and an S2 (WVGA), I still love this display the most. The resolution is insane.
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I have an S1, S2 and Note. Showed all 3 at Samsung service centre just to prove the Note's screen was crap. Should be getting it back to day with a new screen. The S1 screen still seems the best in terms of brightness and uniform white.
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Did you happen to get a photo of it?
I compared both with a clear black test screen from walvisions.com min and max brightness blacks where the same to me. I must have a perfect screen or you have a very bad one.
But like i said in my previous post the blacks when actualy in use watching a dark video are much better in the gs2 for what i think is a software issue as they arent rendered properly and dark areas tend to look more like backlit lcd on the note when viewing videos.
Whites are much brighter on the note with min brightness settings then on the gs1.
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An OLED display works without a backlight. Thus, it can display deep black levels and can be thinner and lighter than liquid crystal displays (LCDs). In low ambient light conditions such as dark rooms an OLED screen can achieve a higher contrast ratio than an LCD, whether the LCD uses either cold cathode fluorescent lamps or the more recently developed LED backlight. Due to their low thermal conductivity, they typically emit less light per area than inorganic LEDs.
When the display is "showing" black, the "black pixels" are actually inactive. In other words, the black parts of the screen is off.
The black levels on my screen is also 100% black. If i go into a dark room with a 100% black wallpaper, i won't see the screen.
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It is not true, you really should try it before just quoting wikipedia or whichever website that quote came from. Even with a perfectly black image you can easily tell there is backlight.
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Galaxy Note black has more leak than previous Super AMOLED and Super AMOLED Plus screens.
I'll come up with measurements a bit later.
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The first meaningful post which also aims to be objective rather than quoting specs.
jaytana said:
well, Kabayan i have both... i can confirm your finding that S2 does have deeper blacks... last night i viewed the Dota2 trailer video on S2 and Note side by side... @ the beginning of the clip where there are lots of black displayed, its noticeable in my eyes...
I decided to create a pure black wallpaper on photoshop, transfer it to S2 and Note, set both brightness @ max, go to the complete dark room and view the mentioned wallpaper on gallery; its positive that S2's dsplay shows deeper black than Note... Though i have the display tuning app by SUPERCURIO on my S2 which i think we'll also consider...
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Thank you for confirming, at least someone managed to read through my post and actually perform something.
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An OLED display works without a backlight. Thus, it can display deep black levels and can be thinner and lighter than liquid crystal displays (LCDs). In low ambient light conditions such as dark rooms an OLED screen can achieve a higher contrast ratio than an LCD, whether the LCD uses either cold cathode fluorescent lamps or the more recently developed LED backlight. Due to their low thermal conductivity, they typically emit less light per area than inorganic LEDs.
When the display is "showing" black, the "black pixels" are actually inactive. In other words, the black parts of the screen is off.
The black levels on my screen is also 100% black. If i go into a dark room with a 100% black wallpaper, i won't see the screen.
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This shows me what you know and how much visual acuity you have when it comes to things like this, I mean no disrespect or in anyway be offensive to you but I dont believe that its 100% black on your end. But I respect your opinion. Thank you.
afadzil21 said:
I have an S1, S2 and Note. Showed all 3 at Samsung service centre just to prove the Note's screen was crap. Should be getting it back to day with a new screen. The S1 screen still seems the best in terms of brightness and uniform white.
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Very true, the S1 screen was really great.. it really brought the expectation level at an all time high.
There's a lot of variation on the screens we are getting, my Galaxy Note screen has no color variation, banding, dead pixels, and the blacks are real black. In a dark room, displaying a black image, I can't see the limit between screen and plastic bezel. Exactly as with the screen off.
The same with video playback. I recommend to use BBC One Human Planet trailer in HD. It has a lot of colors and transitions to black screens. I see the screen completly back, no difference to the black plastic bezel.
This is a black Galaxy Note, on a black background displaying a mostly black image. Brightness set to maximum.
Now you tell me you can see the limit between SAMOLED screen and plastic bezel
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There's a lot of variation on the screens we are getting, my Galaxy Note screen has no color variation, banding, dead pixels, and the blacks are real black. In a dark room, displaying a black image, I can't see the limit between screen and plastic bezel. Exactly as with the screen off.
The same with video playback. I recommend to use BBC One Human Planet trailer in HD. It has a lot of colors and transitions to black screens. I see the screen completly back, no difference to the black plastic bezel.
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No color variation is plausible, banding is SW issue so nobody is excepted from it unless you can prove it, dead pixels are pretty rare that its a non issue, black levels are lit let yours eyes adjust to the darkness for 3~5mins and you can clearly see a lit black its always been like that since the SGS1 days, your phone is no exception.
Your screen is perfect for you, I respect that and Im very happy for you, wish I had that screen. Cheers!
Response to your added image:
Your image proves nothing since the discussion is about black levels in total darkness while displaying the black image from the LCD test, your picture shows an image displayed making an illusion that the blacks are very deep, I also get the same black levels when im displaying even just a few pixels of white and you have ambient light since I can clearly see the bezel.
Basically we are comparing 2 different things but thank you for trying.
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black levels are lit let yours eyes adjust to the darkness for 3~5mins and you can clearly see a lit black its always been like that since the SGS1 days, your phone is no exception.
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Seriously who uses a phone like that and whats the point of that test. OLED does show a little light in the dark when you do that but my GS2 and note are pretty much the same, during this test I notice some darker blotches on my gs2 screen. Does that mean its faulty? not to me as Ive never noticed it in real use and thats what the device is for not to sit in the dark for 3 minutes to find some obscure issue to complain about.
There are real screen defects that will occur to some people not matter what device you get, then get it replaced. There are confirmed software issues and these will hopefully be addressed soon enough.
Many more people have no physical issues with their screens then the ones that do but its funny how some people just wont accept that and have to believe every screen is faulty.
Seeing a little light through a screen in total darkness is not a hardware fault, maybe you should turn off your phone as it will save your battery and at the same time the screen will be perfectly dark, I prefer to have my screen on and use it but we all use our devices differently
So my partner has a new iPhone 6s Plus and the clarity of his screen has me envious.
Checked the specs on GMS the N6 has more pixels and a higher density %, so what gives?
Is it the AMOLED screen? Is it possible to get that level of clarity?
Do you have a screen protector on? Those can make display look fuzzy, especially the anti-glare protectors.
my n6 screen is much more crisp than an I phones..
I suggest doing two things,
1- With a custom kernel, pick a color profile that fits you; and/or
2- Download this:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=flar2.hbmwidget
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So my partner has a new iPhone 6s Plus and the clarity of his screen has me envious.
Checked the specs on GMS the N6 has more pixels and a higher density %, so what gives?
Is it the AMOLED screen? Is it possible to get that level of clarity?
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Yes, kind of.
AMOLED is... visually TERRIBLE. There are two advantages it has over a conventional LCD; (1) lower power consumption -- black pixels are actually switched off. (2) no backlight means no light bleeding through "black", in other words, black is more black on an AMOLED than an LCD.
The other part of it is that AMOLED actually *CHEATS* on its resolution claims. Something called an "RGBG subpixel matrix". The "RGBG" part is particularly important, since it describes the actual layout of the R, G, and B pixels -- for Red, Green, and Blue. Notice that there are twice as many G's as R's or B's.... Right. Its only 2560x1440 in GREEN. The Red and Blue are each only 2560x720. THAT is why the higher pixel density LOOKS less sharp than the apple LCD. You can thank samsung for that one, AMOLED is their tech.
So for the question about whether or not you can get that same (or better) clarity of of a Nexus 6... sure, if the image is ALL GREEN.
Edit: These are the Android phone's I've owned, in chronological order;
2008: HTC Dream, 480x320 LCD -- reasonable, given the low resolution.
2010: HTC Vision, 800x480 LCD -- at its time, absolutely stunning. Still "pleasant".
2012: Samsung Relay, 800x480 AMOLED -- if looking at something could cause your eyes to bleed, this would have done just that. Absolutely the WORST display imaginable. I had MUCH higher hopes for it, given all the "good" I'd heard about AMOLED and how "crisp" and "high contrast" they were supposed to be. That it could be dramatically WORSE than the 480x320 on the HTC Dream was stunning. I was expecting it to at least be "close" to the HTC Vision.
2015: Nexus 6, 2560x1440 AMOLED -- while visually the best so far, it is only because of the absurdly high number of pixels. So many that it has a significant negative impact on graphic performance. I would gladly sacrifice a little bit of battery and contrast to get the performance of 1920x1080.
turn up your brightness, N6's screen looks terrible at low brightness unless you have a kcal kernel to adjust the colors (stock warm colors look fuzzier imo compared to cool colors). The iphone having a LCD makes it look basically the same at any brightness at least color and sharpness-wise.
iphone is crisp because of its tech..
but i love nexus more..
i dont adore the nexus because of its screen but i love android because its an ANDROID
Honestly, I'm just getting old. I think the Nexus 6 screen is perfectly fine - crisp and clear.
Ordered my OnePlus last week (I'm upgrading from a Moto X 2015 Pure) and I'm looking forward to getting it. I've been looking over various reviews and came across this one by AnandTech, regarding the display color/accuracy:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10411/the-oneplus-3-review/4
The OnePlus doesn't score very high on the benchmarks that were used, but what I'm curious about is why OnePlus chose to render NTSC color space, instead of the more widely accepted RGB standard?
The author of the review states:
"After reaching out to OnePlus, explaining why the choice of the NTSC color space as a target doesn't make any sense, and showing the errors it causes with sRGB rendition, they told me that they now intend to offer an sRGB mode as an option in an upcoming OTA update."
Is this something that can be tweaked once I get the phone or will I have to wait? I know color accuracy may not be a big deal to many of you, a lot displays are overly saturated straight from factory anyways, but I've also been seeing reports of green tint etc by various reviews/users. I just wanted to post this information here and wanted to know what your thoughts/opinions are about this.
I feel the display has more of a blue tint than a green.
Some of the issues can be fixed through software, imo. Not all.
The display as it is, isn't as bad as that suggests. But it could be improved for sure. I think they've tried to oversaturate to compensate for the panel.
I think this was a gamble to actually appeal to more customers. This is not very surprising. TVs in the store also often have "presentation" mode with very vivid color (not correct ones) to catch peoples attention. Only those who care calibrate later for best color reproduction. In the store, vivid picture sells the device. Before technical analyses came out, there were plenty of reviews (if not all) saying how good display looks. Most were saying that sure, it would be good to have 2K, but this 1080 screen still looks great, etc. No complaints about color.
I think many people would point and say that screen with very vivid colors looks better next to perfectly calibrated (not so vivid screen). That is just how it is. For a company (Oneplus) that depends on internet sales (not sales through carriers) it probably wasn't a good decision after all. With so much hype and scrutiny going around "sRGB mode as an option" probably should've been there to begin with, so technical people have less to complain about and pop out colors crowd had their treat as well.
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I think this was a gamble to actually appeal to more customers. This is not very surprising. TVs in the store also often have "presentation" mode with very vivid color (not correct ones) to catch peoples attention. Only those who care calibrate later for best color reproduction. In the store, vivid picture sells the device. Before technical analyses came out, there were plenty of reviews (if not all) saying how good display looks. Most were saying that sure, it would be good to have 2K, but this 1080 screen still looks great, etc. No complaints about color.
I think many people would point and say that screen with very vivid colors looks better next to perfectly calibrated (not so vivid screen). That is just how it is. For a company (Oneplus) that depends on internet sales (not sales through carriers) it probably wasn't a good decision after all. With so much hype and scrutiny going around "sRGB mode as an option" probably should've been there to begin with, so technical people have less to complain about and pop out colors crowd had their treat as well.
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Yep. The panel definitely isn't bad quality. Anandtech gave it a poor review based on the calibration, not the quality of the actual panel itself. I can appreciate accurate displays and typically prefer them, but I can tell you this, most people will think the OnePlus 3 display looks great. The colors look about the same as the default adaptive display mode of the Note 5 and Galaxy S7, but the white balance is actually better (my OP3 has less green tint than my S7 Edge). If the Galaxy S7 didn't have the basic mode display setting that no one actually enables, Anandtech would have given it just as bad of a review as they gave the OnePlus 3.
As for sharpness, it's a non-issue. You can't even tell it's lower resolution than the S7 Edge unless you bring the phone about 6 inches from you face, and even then, it's not easy to tell.
Brightness is good too. I compared it to my S7 Edge out in sunlight today and the S7 Edge was only slightly brighter. Both were easily readable though.
At this point, I am leaning towards going back to the S7 Edge and returning the OP3, but it's not an easy decision. I have changed my mind back and forth several times. If I didn't already own an S7 Edge and was deciding between paying $800 or $400, it would be an easy choice... the OnePlus 3. It is soo close to providing an experience just as good as the S7 Edge. There are only a few small areas in which it falls a little bit behind, but those small improvements aren't worth double the price.
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Yep. The panel definitely isn't bad quality. Anandtech gave it a poor review based on the calibration, not the quality of the actual panel itself. I can appreciate accurate displays and typically prefer them, but I can tell you this, most people will think the OnePlus 3 display looks great. The colors look about the same as the default adaptive display mode of the Note 5 and Galaxy S7, but the white balance is actually better (my OP3 has less green tint than my S7 Edge). If the Galaxy S7 didn't have the basic mode display setting that no one actually enables, Anandtech would have given it just as bad of a review as they gave the OnePlus 3.
As for sharpness, it's a non-issue. You can't even tell it's lower resolution than the S7 Edge unless you bring the phone about 6 inches from you face, and even then, it's not easy to tell.
Brightness is good too. I compared it to my S7 Edge out in sunlight today and the S7 Edge was only slightly brighter. Both were easily readable though.
At this point, I am leaning towards going back to the S7 Edge and returning the OP3, but it's not an easy decision. I have changed my mind back and forth several times. If I didn't already own an S7 Edge and was deciding between paying $800 or $400, it would be an easy choice... the OnePlus 3. It is soo close to providing an experience just as good as the S7 Edge. There are only a few small areas in which it falls a little bit behind, but those small improvements aren't worth double the price.
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can you discern individual pixels because of the pentile technology that is used? that's really crucial. I'm not really bothered by some inaccuracies that the display might have. I'm using my note 4 with adaptive display which for sure is not accurate but i do like it. I think those innacuracies can be fixed with an OTA display profile or some tweaking with custom kernel. But pixelation cannot be fixed. So there you have it. Could you discern individual pixels. Ty for your review
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Yep. The panel definitely isn't bad quality. Anandtech gave it a poor review based on the calibration, not the quality of the actual panel itself. I can appreciate accurate displays and typically prefer them, but I can tell you this, most people will think the OnePlus 3 display looks great. The colors look about the same as the default adaptive display mode of the Note 5 and Galaxy S7, but the white balance is actually better (my OP3 has less green tint than my S7 Edge). If the Galaxy S7 didn't have the basic mode display setting that no one actually enables, Anandtech would have given it just as bad of a review as they gave the OnePlus 3.
As for sharpness, it's a non-issue. You can't even tell it's lower resolution than the S7 Edge unless you bring the phone about 6 inches from you face, and even then, it's not easy to tell.
Brightness is good too. I compared it to my S7 Edge out in sunlight today and the S7 Edge was only slightly brighter. Both were easily readable though.
At this point, I am leaning towards going back to the S7 Edge and returning the OP3, but it's not an easy decision. I have changed my mind back and forth several times. If I didn't already own an S7 Edge and was deciding between paying $800 or $400, it would be an easy choice... the OnePlus 3. It is soo close to providing an experience just as good as the S7 Edge. There are only a few small areas in which it falls a little bit behind, but those small improvements aren't worth double the price.
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Thank you for your input, it is much appreciated. I should be receiving my OP3 by the end of this week, can't wait!
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Yep. The panel definitely isn't bad quality. Anandtech gave it a poor review based on the calibration, not the quality of the actual panel itself. I can appreciate accurate displays and typically prefer them, but I can tell you this, most people will think the OnePlus 3 display looks great.
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Note: long post, a bit off topic, but mostly about the display.
I was very worried about this, especially as I already on OP2 and was wondering whether I should get the OP3. According to anandtech, OP3 is amazing in everything other than the screen calibration, just like the OP2. So thanks for the clarification. :highfive: It's annoying that they didn't cover some topics like audio/DAC quality and community development support. The amount of source code released is staggering, on par with a Nexus, even dash charge will work as they will release the binaries as stated on their GitHub. We got our first custom rom within an hour of the op3 announcement, which I believe is a new record. Many famous devs from other devices are moving to the OP3, like arter97, DespairFactor and sultanxda. And we already have grarak.
But I was also wondering(since I don't have a spectrophotometer) whether the default color profile on custom roms for the op2 and op3 are accurate or whether they are same as stock. I tried the threads, but couldn't find a satisfactory answer. I assume with kcal it could be fixed, but atleast for the OP2 I have found no color profiles that claim to have been a result of accurate calibration using a spectrophotometer. So I just boosted the saturation a tiny bit and it looks much better. You are right that the display looks good though, but users will never know the difference if they aren't exposed to accurate colors right? I wonder how anandtech knows that the display colors seem off just by looking at it.
And like the other user said, this is actually odd because oneplus sells through the internet, not retail, so they have no incentive to calibrate to appear "vivid", whatever that's supposed to mean. So I basically don't understand why oneplus would choose to calibrate their display like this.
About the resolution, atleast on my OP2 and a friend's Galaxy note 5(stock, friend isn't a power user) compared side to side(at different viewing distances), I could tell that the note 5 display was way better/sharper, atleast to me. And I actually went in expecting my op2 display to be better.
I don't know whether that was because of the colors or actual resolution or something else. I could also notice how freaking blue the op2 display was when we compared high res black and white pictures. To be fair, the black and white pic on the note 5 looked a bit yellow to me.
So to sum up, my questions are,
is the default color profile on custom roms for op2/op3 accurate unlike stock?
If not, is there an easy way to obtain an accurate display on these devices using kcal or something else?
Why do OEMs choose to calibrate displays inaccurately?
Is display accuracy a good thing or bad thing?
Regardless, I am most likely going to purchase an OP3(although I'm still skeptical about the display), since as you said, the numerous advantages dwarf the few minor flaws, and it costs half as much as many flagships. I'm currently in India, but will be going to the US in August to study undergrad computer science (maybe get into Android development as well!). So I'm probably going to have to wait to purchase the north american model instead of the global one for LTE reasons, will have to check. Kinda sucks. I wonder why oems have SO MANY different variants of the same phone(especially Samsung). One reason I can think of is they can't fit in all the LTE and other radios required to support all frequencies/bands without compromising on other parts of the phone.
I personally think a cool phone for some people would be one that has one large compromise, but is near perfect in everything else, like design, performance, and dev support. For example, a phone without cameras, but near perfect in everything else. Maybe if the op3 eliminated the camera and poured that money into the display and other minor flaws, it would have been even better! Just my opinion though.
Edit: hey I just realized, that's the strength of truly modular phones!!! You can choose your own compromises, like no large camera in favour of using that space for a larger battery, or some other combo! Ugh, that was so obvious..
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Note: long post, a bit off topic, but mostly about the display.
Why do OEMs choose to calibrate displays inaccurately?
Is display accuracy a good thing or bad thing?
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Looks like Carl posted his thoughts on the latest Anandtech review (regarding the display):
"With our relationships in the supply chain, we know the BOM (bill of materials) of all other flagships. Out of all the devices that the OnePlus 3 gets compared to, it is one of, if not the most expensive to make. Do you think the price delta between a 2K AMOLED and a 1080p AMOLED is huge? It's a product decision, and spec by spec is not how to judge a product. The OnePlus 3 uses latest generation AMOLED made to our specifications by Samsung. The vast majority of our users, and reviewers love Optic AMOLED. It is NOT tuned to sRGB, and was never meant to be. sRGB tuning is a niche requirement and is not the right choice for the vast majority of smartphone users. Why do you think it's hidden under developer settings on the 6P? For those who need it, we've taken note, and have added it to the next OTA."
Source: https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/even-carl-tires-of-constant-nitpicking-display-options-forthcoming-on-next-ota.451786/
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Looks like Carl posted his thoughts on the latest Anandtech review (regarding the display):
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Interesting. Check out further debate in the comments.
http://www.anandtech.com/comments/10411/the-oneplus-3-review/504784
I'm no expert, but it seems like anandtech sticks to sRGB for a reason. I would not trust any party(oneplus, anandtech, anyone else) too much until I have more info. But you have to admit anandtech seem slightly more trustworthy since they give you "real" reasons and are a 3rd party reviewer unlike oneplus. Carl's reason was just that people like it and sRGB is not the standard(no reason provided). He didn't even respond to the usage of pentile amoled(last used in the Galaxy note 3 I believe). And im confused as to why he is citing expenses. That does not seem relevant (if we don't take into consideration that higher price means higher quality).
Usually your eyes just adapt to the display regardless of its color accuracy, since I don't think most people can't judge very well whether colors are accurate.(including me)
Thanks for the link though. Wonder when Android when implement some kind of color calibration standard. Or when some kind of metric for smartphone display quality/accuracy will be developed.
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Here's another link. Note the last paragraph which I've also pasted here in hide quotes.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7821/color-gamut-in-mobile-and-pcs
Seems pretty unbiased and there really doesn't seem to be any incentive for them to misconstrue their report.
http://gizmodo.com/which-smartphone-and-tablet-displays-show-the-most-accu-1660275228
Ultimately, such quibbles over color gamut and the resultant color accuracy of the display may not be able to override the dominant discourse of subjectively evaluated color in a display, and many people prefer the look of an oversaturated display to that of a properly calibrated one. But within the debates that will undoubtedly take place over such a subject, it is crucial to keep in mind that regardless of personal opinion on display colors, color accuracy is a quantitative, objective analysis of display quality. While subjectively, one may prefer a display that has a color gamut larger than sRGB, objectively, such a display isn't accurate. Of course, including a vivid display profile isn't a problem, but there should always be a display profile that makes for accurate color.
@TritonB7 if you're on the oneplus forums (I'm not), I think it would be interesting if you posted there and linked them here to see what their response is.
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I hope someone releases a guide on xda or elsewhere, how to calibrate displays accurately using kcal, or publishes a list of calibrated kcal profiles for different phones. Or maybe there already is a guide like that. I'll try searching.
Konskl said:
can you discern individual pixels because of the pentile technology that is used? that's really crucial. I'm not really bothered by some inaccuracies that the display might have. I'm using my note 4 with adaptive display which for sure is not accurate but i do like it. I think those innacuracies can be fixed with an OTA display profile or some tweaking with custom kernel. But pixelation cannot be fixed. So there you have it. Could you discern individual pixels. Ty for your review
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No, definitely not. If I put the phone about 6 inches from my eyes, I can see some very minor jagged edges on curved lines, but definitely not individual pixels. And at 1 foot plus and normal viewing distances it's very hard to tell that the screen is lower resolution than my S7 Edge.
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can you discern individual pixels because of the pentile technology that is used? that's really crucial. I'm not really bothered by some inaccuracies that the display might have. I'm using my note 4 with adaptive display which for sure is not accurate but i do like it. I think those innacuracies can be fixed with an OTA display profile or some tweaking with custom kernel. But pixelation cannot be fixed. So there you have it. Could you discern individual pixels. Ty for your review
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Two more things fixed. http://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3-reviewer-ota-brings-srgb-mode-and-ram-adjustments/
I just got my phone yesterday and very impressed with it having come from the Moto X Pure. I do see the display shift to blue hue when viewing the display at an angle, but I rarely ever do that and it's not enough to bother me. Also, I thought I'd link to this review regarding ota 3.1.4 ( you will need to use google translate).
http://www.frandroid.com/marques/oneplus/365110_oneplus-3-oxygenos-3-1-4-mise-a-jour-change
For me, the "Optic AMOLED" is most problematic when it comes to having lots of text on the screen and reading text. Granted, that's an extremely important feature, but I just mean that as far as the experience of playing games, consuming media, looking at and taking pictures, and so on, the average user will probably be happier with an oversaturated display (re: more Samsung-like) than they would be with more faithful color reproduction. It seems like to the layman, oversaturation = better quality display, at least to a degree.
Hey everyone, just wanted to check back in and thank everyone for their thoughts on this matter. I also wanted let you all know that Anandtech just posted an update to their original review regarding the OnePlus3 display, stating:
To say that OnePlus's new sRGB mode provides a substantial improvement in display accuracy would be an understatement. The display has gone from being the most inaccurate display that I've seen in years, to being among the most accurate displays that we have on record.
Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10445/revisiting-the-oneplus-3/2
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No, definitely not. If I put the phone about 6 inches from my eyes, I can see some very minor jagged edges on curved lines, but definitely not individual pixels. And at 1 foot plus and normal viewing distances it's very hard to tell that the screen is lower resolution than my S7 Edge.
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Mmmmh, its not a truly bad panel but view it in horizontal position and the lack of resolution which drops to around 320 PPI is just too apparent. My guess is the panel is a few generations old. Its the most obvious part where costs have been saved and I do wonder about Op' wisdom on this. Other than that its a good phone IMHO.
Triton, that's really great to hear!
Now if just my replacement device (had irregular color hue on screen...) would be here... then I could enjoy this great phone even more!
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Mmmmh, its not a truly bad panel but view it in horizontal position and the lack of resolution which drops to around 320 PPI is just too apparent. My guess is the panel is a few generations old. Its the most obvious part where costs have been saved and I do wonder about Op' wisdom on this. Other than that its a good phone IMHO.
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If it was a few generations old, it would not be accurate or efficient
I can't wait for the update. These updates will bring positivity to OnePlus 3. I'm waiting for update before root.
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Yep. The panel definitely isn't bad quality. Anandtech gave it a poor review based on the calibration, not the quality of the actual panel itself. I can appreciate accurate displays and typically prefer them, but I can tell you this, most people will think the OnePlus 3 display looks great. The colors look about the same as the default adaptive display mode of the Note 5 and Galaxy S7, but the white balance is actually better (my OP3 has less green tint than my S7 Edge). If the Galaxy S7 didn't have the basic mode display setting that no one actually enables, Anandtech would have given it just as bad of a review as they gave the OnePlus 3.
As for sharpness, it's a non-issue. You can't even tell it's lower resolution than the S7 Edge unless you bring the phone about 6 inches from you face, and even then, it's not easy to tell.
Brightness is good too. I compared it to my S7 Edge out in sunlight today and the S7 Edge was only slightly brighter. Both were easily readable though.
At this point, I am leaning towards going back to the S7 Edge and returning the OP3, but it's not an easy decision. I have changed my mind back and forth several times. If I didn't already own an S7 Edge and was deciding between paying $800 or $400, it would be an easy choice... the OnePlus 3. It is soo close to providing an experience just as good as the S7 Edge. There are only a few small areas in which it falls a little bit behind, but those small improvements aren't worth double the price.
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Are you serious? The S7 display is WAY better in every aspect.
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Are you serious? The S7 display is WAY better in every aspect.
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I'm serious. I have both phones right here. And I did say that the S7 Edge display is a little brighter and a little sharper, but I don't see how that makes it WAY better, especially now that OnePlus has provided an update that calibrates it to be just as accurate as the S7 display in sRGB mode.
Many aspects are the same. Both are covered in Gorilla Glass 4. They have equal viewing angles. They are both AMOLED and made by Samsung. They both have similarly accurate colors in sRGB mode.
Just requested the return of my Mi 8 due to an AMOLED issue.
Shades of dark gray aren't uniform. This is visible in darker environments (like in the bedroom at night).
This is most visible on Reddit dark mode. I can see it on Spotify if I look hard.
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I'm waiting for the e-commerce store's response. They claim that this has to be validated via their tests.
Also, I'm wondering what my odds are with AMOLED... If I get a replacement, will I get a significantly better display or potentially find another set of issues if I look.
What do you reckon are my odds if I go through with the replacement?
OLED screens in general are more problematic displaying dark shapes of grey compared to IPS panels. This has to do with manufacturing tolerances of individual light-emitting pixels at low current. This, in particular, is the reason why most OLED panels employ PWM (flickering) to control brightness, applying higher current in short pulses compared to applying constant low current. If you search for "LG G Flex 2 screen uniformity", you'll see some pretty extreme example of this.
That said, with each individual OLED panel and depending on your personal tolerances, your luck may vary. My Mi 8 is very acceptable when displaying dark shades of grey (I don't notice the problem even if it is there). If you received my Mi 8, there is a chance you could spot the issue because your personal tolerance of the problem is lower than mine. My wife uses an LG G Flex 2 and never notices the (very real) problem with its display uniformity (I do!)
In other words, most users are happy with their displays, but it does not mean all of them got a perfect one.
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Just requested the return of my Mi 8 due to an AMOLED issue.
Shades of dark gray aren't uniform. This is visible in darker environments (like in the bedroom at night).
This is most visible on Reddit dark mode. I can see it on Spotify if I look hard.
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I'm waiting for the e-commerce store's response. They claim that this has to be validated via their tests.
Also, I'm wondering what my odds are with AMOLED... If I get a replacement, will I get a significantly better display or potentially find another set of issues if I look.
What do you reckon are my odds if I go through with the replacement?
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That's normal. It happens with every AMOLED display. I have a Samsung S8 and it happens in the same way.
It's something common, don't be scared.
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That's normal. It happens with every AMOLED display. I have a Samsung S8 and it happens in the same way.
It's something common, don't be scared.
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That's right I have this issue on my note 9 too. My previous note 9 had this and devices in store had this.
Its normal.
anthroplus said:
Just requested the return of my Mi 8 due to an AMOLED issue.
Shades of dark gray aren't uniform. This is visible in darker environments (like in the bedroom at night).
This is most visible on Reddit dark mode. I can see it on Spotify if I look hard.
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I'm waiting for the e-commerce store's response. They claim that this has to be validated via their tests.
Also, I'm wondering what my odds are with AMOLED... If I get a replacement, will I get a significantly better display or potentially find another set of issues if I look.
What do you reckon are my odds if I go through with the replacement?
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"Aren't uniform" meaning you cannot tell the difference in the shades? Grey is a very challenging and controversial color for AMOLED. Use the Display Tester app by Braintrapp from Google Play and try the "Gamma detection" app when you have your device, you'll see it displayed horizontally. Swipe up and down (with the device of course held horizontally, or "landscape" mode) to change the brightness and look at how it displays grey at different brightness levels. Very weird huh?! It's perfectly normal.
I guess you can say it is a "grey area" for AMOLED...
Crossvxm said:
I would have to say you're in for quite a gamble. Most people aren't keen to spot "defects" on AMOLED displays. I am. Coming from a person who has owned many phones of both main screen technologies, I can tell you that the displays can vary even on identical devices. I've owned Galaxy devices with some having a red hue and others not, same when I had two Nexus 6, one had a slightly red hue and seemingly lower brightness at max, the other was perfect. Sometimes manufacturers have different facilities making the same screen, and differences arise. If you do get a replacement, you just have to hope it's from the better batch.
Now to get a better understanding, what do you mean when you say "aren't uniform?" Could you describe a little what you mean and where/when you notice the issue (e.g. videos, pictures, etc.)
Also, did you attempt to set a static color contrast within the Settings? The display does change tones automatically by default. According to the Display Tester app by Braintrapp from Google Play, it seems that our display does not support Wide Color Gamut. Some of the hues seem to be a tiny bit off according to it on my display, and this is coming from someone who owns a Mi 8 with a "perfect" AMOLED display.
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Every oled screen is uneven, clearly visible on dark gray backround in dark room. Even samsungs don't have perfect screens.
Grana_10 said:
That's normal. It happens with every AMOLED display. I have a Samsung S8 and it happens in the same way.
It's something common, don't be scared.
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I have the same issue with pixel 2 xl
I've owned the nexus 6p, OnePlus 5, 5t, 6 and the mi 8.
Tbh I think the mi8 has the worst AMOLED display of all of them when it comes to dark backgrounds in low light. It has like a "jelly scrolling" effect
My avatar on YouTube is solid black and I use the dark mode of the YouTube app....when I'm scrolling through comments i leave on videos with the screen brightness down low there's a noticable trailing effect.
It's not enough to make me want to return it but it's a problem I didn't have with any of the other devices I listed.
I prefer AMOLED to LCD any day.
xyourxhighnessx said:
I've owned the nexus 6p, OnePlus 5, 5t, 6 and the mi 8.
Tbh I think the mi8 has the worst AMOLED display of all of them when it comes to dark backgrounds in low light. It has like a "jelly scrolling" effect
My avatar on YouTube is solid black and I use the dark mode of the YouTube app....when I'm scrolling through comments i leave on videos with the screen brightness down low there's a noticable trailing effect.
It's not enough to make me want to return it but it's a problem I didn't have with any of the other devices I listed.
I prefer AMOLED to LCD any day.
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Coming from OnePlus 6, what motivated you to move to the Mi 8?
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Coming from OnePlus 6, what motivated you to move to the Mi 8?
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I bought the op6 with PayPal credit. I bought two and with the op6t coming I decided to sell them instead of paying the remaining balance. At first I intended to go with 6t but in the end I thought I'd try something different.
Since the Nexus 6p all of my phones have been stock/near stock. I thought I'd try something else. I like stock better because I feel there's a learning curve to miui if you're used to stock but overall I like the mi 8. I wish I would've waited for the mi mix 3 though. The sliding design is nice.
The full screen gesture navigation is the best button free navigation I've tried. I haven't used the buttons since nearly the beginning of owning it. It'll suck when I decide to use a non-xiaomi device. I didn't like OnePlus or stock gesture navigation
well i gotta say, i was afraid to get an bad Screen, too. Especially after reading threads like this. But i can say my screen is perfectly fine. even in lowest brightness. Yes The grays are not that gray as on the screen as on lcd, but thats the same with all amoled screens, and you only see it when u have the exact same app on an lcd screen beside your phone. For the rest its super fine.
Yeah. After 3+ months of using the phone, I’m learning to just enjoy it naturally without nitpicking details that don’t practically affect my everyday experience.
If we treat the phone like a baby, there’s an endless list of concerns.
But if you really just use it like you would (without analyzing scenarios that don’t come naturally), so many of these issues don’t matter at the end of the day.
I think the green is much more problematic on amoled displays (on low brightness / Oled Tool)
Sigray said:
I think the green is much more problematic on amoled displays (on low brightness / Oled Tool)
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That's exactly what I found.
Now, having said that, we don't use oled tools for practical purposes.
I basically don't notice the issue at all under normal use.
In other words, if I never did nitpick at first, 3 years of normal daily use could pass without me noticing the issue at all.