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I've heard so many mixed perspectives.
The way I see it, S-OLED should be the best in the bunch.
Followed by OLED and then TFT..
I've heard about the nexus display looking "unnatural" from engadget, whatever that means..
Some people are saying that the upcoming sprint evo 4g has a brighter and simply better (4.3") screen.
Apart from the size, the screen technology is just TFT.
In the computer LCD world, i have heard more bad than good about TFT, so what's the deal?
Right now I have a 24" 1080p TFT LCD Monitor, and I think it's beautiful.
I haven't had much to compare it to though.
It's not the greatest screen I've seen, but it's definitely nice.
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
On the flip side, the Nexus One's vibrancy is hands down better. While watching movies on the HD2, I loved the size of the image, but to be honest, I prefer the color of the Nexus One's screen.
Outside in the sunlight, the HD2 wins. It still gets horrible glare, but no where near as bad as the Nexus One.
With all of that being said, I prefer the Nexus One's screen. Not going to talk about the size differences and their pros and cons, because that's a separate subject altogether. I'm mostly indoors for my job, and being a graphics designer, I enjoy the contrast that the OLED screen can deliver. It's not exactly color accurate, but since this is a phone and not being used as a design device, it doesn't matter...it looks gorgeous. So long as people don't appear as orange aliens, I enjoy the contrast. (Go stare at some of the TVs on display in major retail stores...they jack the contrast up to ridiculous levels to try to wow the viewer, but make things look downright stupid)
I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
azalex86 said:
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
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I believe they are the same screen in both devices, but could be wrong. We'll have to wait until they can do a proper side by side with the exact same lightness settings.
A 4.3" Super AMOLED screen would be nice. I would never buy a phone with a bigger display than that, because it would become uncomfortable to use, and at that point, you might as well just buy a tablet.
Settembrini said:
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
rockky said:
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are anti-glare protectors that help eliminate some of the glare by dispursing it better, but even then it's still pretty bad. The main issue is due to having no backlight like a TFT.
GlenH said:
I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
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No, there is nothing wrong with the colour calibration. Girlfriend has also got a Nexus and I have seen others and even on photos here on the internet you can see the unnatural colours of the screen.
Have a look at the first post where you can find the question, if it were true that the colours are unnatural referring to Engadget. And yes, the colours are unnatural. I like the Nexus, do not get me wrong, but I do not like the colours of AMOLED screens. They are awful.
rockky said:
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are definitely protectors that do that, but I don't like the feel of anything but glass on a touch screen.. That's just me though.
Hey I noticed in your sig that you have an iphone and nexus, how would you compare the two? The screen and everything else (you should make another thread for that though).
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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Damn that's pretty bad, cause with the TFT on my G1 I always had to turn it up to max to get a decent display.
So assuming the HD2 is similar (same technology), then AMOLED must be pretty bad in sunlight.
vegetaleb said:
I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Lol, spy pics.
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I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
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I know the AMOLED's are pretty great indoors, but when you say incredibly bright... If viewing late at night in bed for example, is it too bright even on the lowest setting?
I'd like a phone that can be very dim or very bright.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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i personally love it..the colors pop out they look gorgeous
Compared to TFT capacitive screens Amoled are less good under sunlight but they are still usable and certainly much more than HTC WM phones like Diamond and Touch HD
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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You seem to put a lot of faith in what Engadget says. I'm not saying that everything is perfectly flat, but I have a few hundred perfectly-exposed photos from my Nikon D90, all taken with pro glass, on my Nexus, and the colors are not bad at all. They are, well, let's call them "well saturated", but nothing remotely unpleasant - to be honest, given the tiny screen (I take photos be be blown up BIG), the saturation is probably an advantage. And they look notably, even considerably better on the N1 than on an iPhone / iPod touch third-gen.
All of that is my opinion - and I like saturated colors. But I also like skin that still looks like skin, and the N1 delivers that to my eyes.
Gee, didn't I say that it is my opinion and that others might think differently? What you call saturated colours I call unnatural and for me and maybe only for me the colours are an eyesore, but I like the Nexus nevertheless.
big_adventure, you gave me a thought.
I think the best way to really compare these technologies is to have the same image of something, like a HQ picture of your skin.
On both of the phones.
Then compare the output to eachother and to the real life color of your skin.
I said to compare to eachother because a cameras snapshot can change the color, flash, settings, and what not.
Sounds stupid, but maybe what some people define as unnatural on a display, is actually quite natural.
Don't compare how the android OS looks, compare an image within the OS.
vegetaleb said:
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Well, if you are going to be wandering around a beach at midnight you probably won't run into too many girls to take pictures of. And they'd probably notice the flash going off so it wouldn't be much of a "spy shot".
(Edit: To be fair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight mentions that am/pm by definition don't make any sense for noon and midnight and are thus often confused. But, the sources it quotes that do assign meaning to 12am and 12pm all seem to call 12am midnight and 12pm noon. It's probably why most of the parking signs in SF are now starting to use "12:01am" when they want to talk about late night street cleaning restrictions...that, and the fact that 12am is also ambiguous as to whether it refers to the start of a day or the end of a day...)
Ok so I was about 98% set on purchasing the G2x/O2x but then realized it had a WVGA screen. Isnt that outdated?
I really liked the Galaxy S and above because of the SUPER AMOLED. I have an MP3 player with that screen (Cowon) and its great looking.
I am looking for comparison, if WVGA is fine and bright, perhaps comparison in sunlight, etc. I thought AMOLED was the next big thing and all phones would have it.
WVGA is the screen size, mate. It means 800x480.
For the screen, yes, it is not AMOLED which is brilliant to display black color but poor in direct sunlight. It is supposedly more engergy saving (but then you need to increase the brightness in sunlight)
The TFT IPS LCD that Optimus 2X has is very good indeed in my opinion.
Personally i prefer the screen on the O2X, i don't like the colors on the Amoled, not realistic at all
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The IPS screen on O2x are brighter, sharper and with better colours than Amoled - its also better in the sun and have as good viewing angles as Amoled. The only thing where Amoled are slightly better is pure black. It's the same type of screen as the Iphone4 (actually its LG that manufactures the screen for Iphone4 to Apple) - except the Iphone4 screen has higher resolution.
You wont be disappointed about the screen on the O2x - it is very good.
Mate. LG screen clarity is outstanding, sunlight, clublighting, office home you name it. I run it with auto off and at approximately 20%. So brighter is available.
You will not be disappointed.
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Thank you for all the responses and clearing up. I was lookiing everywhere for the info on what the screen was, it was strange because one site just said "WVGA" for g2x and the galaxy it said AMOLED so I wasn't sure.
G2x is now still at the top of my list =) I am deciding between this and when the Galaxy S II comes out, seems like slightly better hardware, but dont know other details
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WVGA is the screen size, mate. It means 800x480.
For the screen, yes, it is not AMOLED which is brilliant to display black color but poor in direct sunlight. It is supposedly more engergy saving (but then you need to increase the brightness in sunlight)
The TFT IPS LCD that Optimus 2X has is very good indeed in my opinion.
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Indeed and amazing better as the Amoled from my HTC Desire S only the black isn't pure black in some cases but hence the vivid colors and the overall screen make up for it big time
mandude said:
I really liked the Galaxy S and above because of the SUPER AMOLED. I have an MP3 player with that screen (Cowon) and its great looking.
I am looking for comparison, if [LCD] is fine and bright, perhaps comparison in sunlight, etc. I thought AMOLED was the next big thing and all phones would have it.
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I came from the Galaxy S to the OP2X, so I can report for you
The Super AMOLED of the Galaxy S is nothing short of glorious. Even though it uses a "pentile grid" subpixel layout, it's crisp and bright. It's even readable in daylight.
Coming the the OP2X and its TFT LCD, I was very pleasantly surprised. The screen has great viewing angles and almost no colour warping at high angles. The blacks are really deep, so the contrast ratio is much better than I was expecting. If I hadn't experienced the SGS screen first, I'd be utterly in love with the OP2X screen. As it is, I'm 'merely' very happy with it
Having spent 4 days using an S-LCD Nexus S, then going back to my AMOLED Nexus One, I can say that the S-LCD is miles sharper than the AMOLED. OK so you do lose out on a bit of black, but not being Pentile does make up for it.
unfnknblvbl said:
I came from the Galaxy S to the OP2X, so I can report for you
The Super AMOLED of the Galaxy S is nothing short of glorious. Even though it uses a "pentile grid" subpixel layout, it's crisp and bright. It's even readable in daylight.
Coming the the OP2X and its TFT LCD, I was very pleasantly surprised. The screen has great viewing angles and almost no colour warping at high angles. The blacks are really deep, so the contrast ratio is much better than I was expecting. If I hadn't experienced the SGS screen first, I'd be utterly in love with the OP2X screen. As it is, I'm 'merely' very happy with it
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Thanks, a viewpoint I was looking for =) I guess that eases me. Yeah I was concerned about the viewing angles, crisp of the colors and daylight viewing.
Do yourself a favour and go somewhere where you can look at the O2x screen live - anyone having concerns about the screen should do that - and be pleasently surprised
It really is very good - high contrast, high brightness, excellent colours with no banding, excellent deep blacks (for an LCD), good viewing angles etc. - viewing pictures of real life scenarios on the screen is a treat.
It actually makes my Desire Amoled screen look slightly dull
I sit on a bus and can read just fine. And its been really sunny where i am at the mo.
This screen is fantastic compared to my HTC Hero lol!!
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The screen is really nice. Im very convinced, also in bright sunlight I can read the screen well enough.
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LCD vs OLED
I wish people would just stop using 3-4 letter abbreviations for screen resolutions. In the early days (80s and 90s) there only were a few of these abbreviations and they signified a lot more than just resolution, like color depth and graphics capabilities, but now they're just confusing. Why not just put the two numbers and save everyone the trouble of having to google what WXSDHDGA (don't bother, I just made it up ... at least, I hope so) is supposed to be.
Back on topic.
OLED
Black is really, totally black. The contrast ratio is technically infinite, but that isn't just a good thing, as it hurts my eyes in the dark. It's a bit like staring at a television in a pitch black room.
Colors are more vivid (read: oversaturated). Most people love that but to me it just looks unnatural. Like kid's toys.
The pixels will degrade rather quickly and lose brightness in the process. Since each primary color ages at a different rate your color balance will shift. You should be good for 2-3 years, though.
As long as the image displayed is mostly black or dark, it'll use less power than LCD, on bright images a lot more. Setting your background to pitch-black is a real power-saver on these devices.
Most OLED displays currently on the market use something called a PenTile matrix (see http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...exus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/ or just google it), where each pixel only has 2 subpixels instead of 3. As a result pixels cannot independently display every color but need to work together with adjacent ones, which reduces the effective resolution of the display by at least 1/3. Photos and Videos still look fine, but text gets ragged colored edges and is a lot harder to read than on an LCD.
Handsets with OLED+PenTile matrix, f. ex.: Samsung Galaxy S, Nexus One
Handsets with OLED+full matrix, f. ex.: HTC Legend, Samsung Galaxy S2
LCD
You won't get black, only dark gray, because light emitted from the backlight can't be perfectly masked. As long as the display is on it will emit light.
Power usage is just dependent on the brightness setting, not on the content displayed.
AFAIK all current LCD displays have a full subpixel matrix
A lot of the rest, like color, viewing angles etc. depends on the panel type used. Usually that's TFT, which is kind of meh, the premium choice is IPS (iPhone 4 and some LG phones, like most (all?) 2x variants).
The choice between a (full matrix) OLED screen and an IPS LCD is a matter of personal choice, if you can't get either, get a TFT LCD. Personally I'd never buy anything with PenTile, but, well, some people like it so YMMV.
Going by my preferences and specs alone, the iPhone 4 currently has the best mobile display, followed by the LG Optimus Black / Speed (2x). Since I don't like iOS that would make the 2x the handset of choice, if I needed a new one right now. As it is, I'll wait for the SGS2 and see how that stacks up, first.
I'm brand new to the world of Smartphones, and hence don't have much perspective, but I DO have direct experience comparing the 2 types.
I started last week with a Samsung Galaxy S 4G with the SAMOLED(+?) screen. The screen on the Samsung was very, very nice. As others have said, the blacks are TRUE black and hence everything tends to "pop" more. Think of it kinda like a plasma vs an LCD HDTV. Plasma blacks just can't be beaten by an LCD.
I moved to the G2X two days ago, mostly because I decided I wanted as close to a stock Android experience as possible AND a more future-proof dual core phone. I have NO complaints about the screen on the G2X. Sure, the blacks aren't quite as black, but the colors look great, it's bright and readable, and I don't use a black background anyway. As an added bonus, it is MUCH easier to read in sunlight than the SAMOLED was on the Galaxy.
Just got mine today. Nice phone, but the screen.....
The top left and right corners of the screen have a small white glow, the same as some lcd tv's had in the beginning. So the "color" black isn't covering my whole screen....
This is NOT my phone, but just to show you where the glowing parts are.
Mate, isn't that the lg notification bar? I've heard about some people having backlight problems though, but than it is your phone
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Acti666 said:
Mate, isn't that the lg notification bar? I've heard about some people having backlight problems though, but than it is your phone
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Nope it isn't the bar . Already called with the vip service of LG, and I will get a new phone next week
Best service ever!!!!!
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Rusty! said:
Having spent 4 days using an S-LCD Nexus S, then going back to my AMOLED Nexus One, I can say that the S-LCD is miles sharper than the AMOLED. OK so you do lose out on a bit of black, but not being Pentile does make up for it.
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The UK Nexus S isn't S-LCD, it is S-AMOLED.
The i9023 is sold here and is S-LCD, we get the i9020 as well though.
http://www.tuttoandroid.net/samsung...y-nexus-videoconfronto-da-tuttoandroid-77996/
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I think I need a mustache...
cool video.
at this part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFIDJBQrnc&feature=player_embedded#t=677s
you can clearly see the difference in how deep the blacks are on the amoled.
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cool video.
at this part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFIDJBQrnc&feature=player_embedded#t=677s
you can clearly see the difference in how deep the blacks are on the amoled.
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Coming from a One X i must say that ever since I had the One x i simply despise amoled screens. The Black might be good but i'll take better whites over blacks any day. Apart from that the screen also felt so much brighter than the amoled screen.
The first thing I did when i heard of the nexus 4 and its price was to look whether the screen is Amoled or not. If it were an amoled screen i would have most probably thought twice before buying this device. Amoled IMO is just not there yet. I recall comparing the galaxy nexus's screen with my one x... That dim bluish white on websites was simply horrible.
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cool video.
at this part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFIDJBQrnc&feature=player_embedded#t=677s
you can clearly see the difference in how deep the blacks are on the amoled.
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Watch the first few seconds of this video (Nexus 4 boot up) and you will see that although blacks on the current top of the line LCD displays may not be the same as blacks on AMOLED screens, they're still VERY good.
Well, watched video. Amoled rules. Colors reproduction is way better. LCD way to go for improvement.
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I have a question...okay the black is better on the galaxy nexus....but when you use your phone, the screen is always black ? because, the white is better on the nexus 4 and the contrast is a lot better. So i don't understand all of this thing about the black on the galaxy nexus....( i used a lot the galaxy s 2 )
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How about you ****ing note that in the title, or at least somewhere in the post?
Like I've said before, what's the point of having on screen buttons when the background of the buttons are pure black? And until unless the phone doesn't produce deep blacks, what's the point? The Galaxy Nexus feel more like a Nexus MAINLY because of the AMOLED display.
Don't know why people keep complaining about the PenTile, it's not bad. It really isn't. The Galaxy Nexus, I agree, had some yellow-ing issues but most of the devices DID NOT. I had those issues - My screen broke - I got a new screen and it's FANTASTIC.
Just yesterday, I compared my Galaxy Nexus's screen with the HTC One X, the iPhone 5 and the HTC Sensation (All 3 having LCD displays) and trust me, none of the phones stand a chance in front of the color production of the Galaxy Nexus.
The main reason I didn't buy the Nexus 4 and I never will is the AMOLED. Nexus devices have had AMOLED since their first release. From the HTC One X to the Galaxy Nexus, the devices have been AMOLED and they looked amazing!
Sure the Nexus 4 has a great crisp screen but it surely doesn't beat the Galaxy Nexus in terms of color production and the black levels.
But well, every one has their own opinions. Don't jump on me!
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Like I've said before, what's the point of having on screen buttons when the background of the buttons are pure black? And until unless the phone doesn't produce deep blacks, what's the point? The Galaxy Nexus feel more like a Nexus MAINLY because of the AMOLED display.
Don't know why people keep complaining about the PenTile, it's not bad. It really isn't. The Galaxy Nexus, I agree, had some yellow-ing issues but most of the devices DID NOT. I had those issues - My screen broke - I got a new screen and it's FANTASTIC.
Just yesterday, I compared my Galaxy Nexus's screen with the HTC One X, the iPhone 5 and the HTC Sensation (All 3 having LCD displays) and trust me, none of the phones stand a chance in front of the color production of the Galaxy Nexus.
The main reason I didn't buy the Nexus 4 and I never will is the AMOLED. Nexus devices have had AMOLED since their first release. From the HTC One X to the Galaxy Nexus, the devices have been AMOLED and they looked amazing!
Sure the Nexus 4 has a great crisp screen but it surely doesn't beat the Galaxy Nexus in terms of color production and the black levels.
But well, every one has their own opinions. Don't jump on me!
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No thanks, Jeff. Pentile is an absolute disaster. Forget color reproduction. It has nearly 30% less sub pixels than the Nexus 4. I still remember telling people that the screen is 720P. My iPhone carrying friends literally laughed, because the difference in sharpness between the two screens was a complete and utter joke. Blacks are only noticeably different in a dark environment (try to see the difference in daylight; you can't), and considering most of us use our phones mostly in well lit areas, I'd take LCD > OLED. Lastly, do I even need to mention how pathetic whites were on Samsung crap? What about the severe burn in? Yeah. No thanks. AMOLED, never again...
Craven68 said:
I have a question...okay the black is better on the galaxy nexus....but when you use your phone, the screen is always black ? because, the white is better on the nexus 4 and the contrast is a lot better. So i don't understand all of this thing about the black on the galaxy nexus....( i used a lot the galaxy s 2 )
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Contrast:
Amoled>>>LCD
Contrast is the brighness of the whites divided by the brighness of the blacks, since the blacks on Amoleds have almost zero brightness their contrast is extremely high.
How contast is not everything, my main use of the phone is browsing and messaging so I will take accurate whites over perfect blacks anytime.
I also got sick of the oversaturated colors an even worse the unavoidable screen burn that is even worse on phones with onscreen buttons.
so i think the nexus 4 is definitely a degrade from Gnexus.... every one saying that ips lcd has a far better brightness than amoleds but its clearly showing in video that TRUE IPS PLUS LCD is totally crap when comparing to HDAmoled ..color reproduction,contrast levels, blacks as well aswhites(look in when comparing chrome browsers) , saturation everything excellent on AMoled.... i thought nexus 4 has a super duper display....but its a big dealbreaker for me...i sold my s3 for a nexus4 ...
gnan10 said:
so i think the nexus 4 is definitely a degrade from Gnexus.... every one saying that ips lcd has a far better brightness than amoleds but its clearly showing in video that TRUE IPS PLUS LCD is totally crap when comparing to HDAmoled ..color reproduction,contrast levels, blacks as well aswhites(look in when comparing chrome browsers) , saturation everything excellent on AMoled.... i thought nexus 4 has a super duper display....but its a big dealbreaker for me...i sold my s3 for a nexus4 ...
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Pentile is an absolute disaster. Forget color reproduction. It has nearly 30% less sub pixels than the Nexus 4. I still remember telling people that the screen is 720P. My iPhone carrying friends literally laughed, because the difference in sharpness between the two screens was a complete and utter joke. Blacks are only noticeably different in a dark environment (try to see the difference in daylight; you can't), and considering most of us use our phones mostly in well lit areas, I'd take LCD > OLED. Lastly, do I even need to mention how pathetic whites were on Samsung crap? What about the severe burn in? Yeah. No thanks. AMOLED, never again...
alangrig said:
Well, watched video. Amoled rules. Colors reproduction is way better. LCD way to go for improvement.
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Actually you tend to find colour reproduction on AMOLED is worse. Sure it's more vibrant looking (often referred to as over-saturated), but that doesn't make it accurate.
Thanks been looking for one
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THIS AINT YOUR FATHER'S AMOLED SCREEN:
Are you having problems with your Tab S screen? Yellowing or mura effects in low light? Read this glowing in depth review of what the Tab S super amoled screen should be. If yours doesn't compare to what they describe here you may wish to consider an exchange. Good read.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/06/the-best-tablet-display-isnt-on-an-ipad/
Based on our extensive Lab tests and measurements, the Galaxy Tab S is the best performing tablet display that we have ever tested, not surprisingly with performance that is almost identical to the OLED Galaxy S5 Smartphone that we recently tested and found to be the Best Performing Smartphone Display. The Galaxy Tab S establishes new records for best Tablet display performance in: Highest Colour Accuracy, Infinite Contrast Ratio, Lowest Screen Reflectance, and smallest Brightness Variation with Viewing Angle. Both Galaxy Tab S models offer Quad HD 2560×1600 pixel displays (with 287 to 361 pixels per inch), currently the highest for tablets, with 4.1 megapixels, double the number on your HDTV. Where the Galaxy Tab S does very well but does not break performance records is in maximum display Brightness — the current record holder for tablets is the Nokia Lumia 2520 with 684 nits, while the Tab S has 546 nits with Automatic Brightness On and 415 nits under manual Brightness (10 per cent lower for mixed content with 50 per cent Average Picture Level APL and 25 per cent lower for an all white screen). High screen Brightness is only needed for High Ambient Light, so turning Automatic Brightness On will provide better screen visibility and also a longer battery running time. Its record low Screen Reflectance of 4.7 per cent further improves the effective screen Brightness, resulting in a very high Contrast Rating for High Ambient Light with Automatic Brightness On.
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THIS AINT YOUR FATHER'S AMOLED SCREEN:
Are you having problems with your Tab S screen? Yellowing or mura effects in low light? Read this glowing in depth review of what the Tab S super amoled screen should be. If yours doesn't compare to what they describe here you may wish to consider an exchange. Good read.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/06/the-best-tablet-display-isnt-on-an-ipad/
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Thanks for the read. I don't see any mention to tests for a Mura effect though. The only reference to the screen uniformity doesn't refer to any kind of tests, just a general statement about OLED technology:
"Screen Uniformity
One subtle but important advantage of OLEDs is their excellent screen uniformity compared to LCDs, which often show hot spots and shadows from the edge LED lighting."
I will check in new stores tomorrow and look for mura effects, as well as check for stuttering. I so love the device besides for these flaws, that I sure hope to find one that will be doing good on every aspect.
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Thanks for the read. I don't see any mention to tests for a Mura effect though. The only reference to the screen uniformity doesn't refer to any kind of tests, just a general statement about OLED technology:
"Screen Uniformity
One subtle but important advantage of OLEDs is their excellent screen uniformity compared to LCDs, which often show hot spots and shadows from the edge LED lighting."
I will check in new stores tomorrow and look for mura effects, as well as check for stuttering. I so love the device besides for these flaws, that I sure hope to find one that will be doing good on every aspect.
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Cool. Here's one test you can run.
1) Have the sales person get out a box of the device you want.
2) Go to www.samsung.com
3) Open your account (if you don't have one create one).
4) Attempt to register the new tablet (you aren't actually going to register it).
5) Enter the tablet's serial number in the space given.
6) It will then indicate to you the manufactured date of that tablet.
7) You want something more recent than your problem tablet (which you've already checked using the same method) to ensure that new tablet is not part of the same flawed manufacturing run.
If the salesperson asks you what you are doing simply explain you are looking up the manufacture date and this is the only way to do it. You are not going to actually register the tablet.
*Also consider the 10.5 instead. They seem to be more stable and use a different structure in their screen than the 8.4.
I'm a bit hesitant to return to an AMOLED screen, but I've heard they've been much improved upon over the last couple years. Reviewers have so far gushed over the new Moto x screen. But, comparison shots where the X is placed next to screens of other top devices shows that the whites are "off". I'm not so concerned about somewhat oversaturated colors, but it's always the whites that bother me the most.
Is it possible for a kernel dev to come along and allow for the possibility to tune the color temperature, as has been done with other devices with IPS LCD screens? Or, is there something with an AMOLED that would make this impossible to do?
This will get better over time as blue degrades faster over time than red and green