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Hey there, I just got my G1 and got it unlocked and semi working on Orange UK. What Id like help with is some of the terms you use on here,
What is "Rooting"?
Where do I get the latest firmware update, as it's unlikely to come over the air to an Orange customer.
With the APNs do I need to set up a different APN for each service? I.E. MMS, WAP, GPRS?
My marketplace is showing only free apps, is there another marketplace where all the paid for apps are stored and if so how do I access it?
I'm sorry for all the questions, it's just i'm a total noob.
Thanks in advance,
Steve GOral
Steve_Goral, I can try to give you some answers... still a bit of a newb too tho
Rooting- basically allows you access to system areas/files of you phone that are protected to keep normal users from breaking the os beyond repair. (someone can probably explain this better?)
You'll have to look around for the latest firmware update for your model of phone, RC=bought from t-mobile(not rooted), JFRC=rooted t-mobile firmware, ADP=phones bought for app development(rooted by default)
I have no idea about the APN stuff, sorry.
Market Place is currently only available to RC(rooted & not), US model phones as far as I know.
Cheers for the help, my phone was bought off ebay in the UK. As far as i know it's a total UK model. How do i check the phone to see what the firmware version is?
from the home screen press -> menu-settings-about phone, your firmware version will be near the bottom, check out the Build Number: .....RC##....
Just done that, I'm such a knob. There's actually a whole thread with a proper idiots guide to rooting the phone. As soon as I get in I'm going to do it - if only for the auto rotate feature and stuff. It seems like such a good phone but there's just a couple of features that let it down. Blue tooth seems pretty poor as standard too. Be good to get access to the whole range of apps to really get this thing ripping away.
ya, I basically just did it to have the to 'kewl' features too(coming from the wing which got old pretty fast). With a little bit of reading I got debian (command line os) on here. I can use the G1 as a virtual 'modem' with speeds around 50-100kb/s. Kill apps that are running in the background at will There's a ton of other 'how tos' as well.
I'm leaning pretty strong towards the former, but let me just say I am a *BIG* fan of Android. I bought the ADP1, and gave that to my wife when I switched to T-Mo & bought the MT3G. Both are great devices, and I run cm on them. Overall I have a great experience with these phones & they're super fun & convenient.
But on both devices, both when I had the ADP1 on AT&T and with the MT3G with T-Mo, (where I live I have to roam off of AT&T, so it's using the same towers as before.) all IM apps stink because they cannot stay connected. This is including the built-in gtalk & sms-based IM apps and every other free one on the market that I've tried. IM+, Meebo, eBuddy, Aimer, Hi Aim/Yahoo, imov, Palringo, all fail to keep a session open. I'm almost certain it's something with Android, because it's the same on mobile networks as with wifi, and I've used BlackBerrys on the very same networks & locations and not had this problem. At all.
So what gives? I'm not gonna pay for a chat app, even if that would solve the problem. These apps are free on BlackBerry, and I have a spare BB that I can swap my sim card into if I have to & just use the MT3G as a MID where I have wifi available. I'd love to jump in and try to write a chat app for Android that fixes this problem, but I'm at best a n00b dev & don't know where to begin. If there's someone out there with some guidance on how to get started on that, or if the problem is specific to something with me/my devices, or can explain this so I can understand the problem if not solve it, or any other input at all I'd love to get your feedback.
Maybe it's you or something up with your service
Maybe it's you, something up with your service, or your particular phones. Where my parents live, nothing works but ATT. I've had two BB which I couldn't even receive a signal.
Then when I moved up to the Dash and then to the wing, I received one bar and I could get all of my services to work, even the IM services. When I moved to the G1, two bars.
Now, with the MyTouch, I get three bars and all of my apps which require the network work. IM, text, phone. The blackberry wouldn't even get a signal let alone IM.
So maybe it has something to do with the service and the phone.
wierd thing is, at the very same location & networks, both wap & wifi, i get a completely different result on the mt3g than i do on the bb. there has to be something wrong with the android network stack or how IM apps use it or something.
hopefully i'm not speaking too soon...
... but i may have fixed my problem. i was thinking about how Android puts applications to sleep if it's low on memory, so i changed my userinit.sh script to enable swap. been logged in all afternoon. we'll see how well this continues...
confirmed resolution
enabling swap fixed the problem. apparently Android system tells the chat apps to shut down to free up ram & they can no longer keep their sessions open.
thanks for the hint.
Thought about this a lot but didn't want to try.
Now I'll have to... Thanks
i used to use ebuddy on my htc magic.
and now i use the built in google voice/chat with my milestone.
both have been great for me...especially the latter. I dont even need to log on or anythnig. its just like recieving text messages
Now i have 256 megs of ram size. everything works just fine. more than that. minimal lag on switching apps and tabs(highest so far was 4 seconds)
Hello guiz. I am completely new with how to tweak the innards of my MyTouch.
What is this "swapping" you guys are talking about and how do you activate it?
Does it really help keep the AIM session connected despite being in the background?
I've always knew of the problem that causes AIM to constantly sign off when I try
using it, but never knew how to address the source issue.
Thanks for reply!
Hello all,
Been a reader for a long time, but not much of a contributor. This community helped me put Cyanogen 4 on my original G1. But this is about my Nexus One which I've had since orders were announced on the live feed! Rooted it at 2.2.1 and then a couple months later updated to over the air 2.3.3 when it was available.
Here are my issues:
1. Battery.
Getting progressively worse. Previously used from 8am - 11pm and have 30% left. Now dead about 6pm. Also, battery warns me 15% left and then shuts down about a minute later. To test the dead at 15% issue, I would start charging it, power it on and it says 1%. So it seems like stats or usage data is incorrect.
What, if any, is the best way to refresh the battery? Should I just buy a new battery?
2. Service Unavailable Messages.
I get pretty bad service in my house and have always had service issues, but lately it's been terrible. Can be holding my phone surfing web and cell service goes out. Have to put phone down for service to come back. If it's out more than a few minutes, it won't come back at all. Meaning I go into settings, manually search for operators and select T-Mobile.
Maybe related, but I can only ever use T-Mobile (my service). Trying to register on AT&T gets "Unable to connect" or "SIM card not supported" (forget exact message). Shouldn't I still be able to use AT&T for roaming calls?
Although rare, sometimes I have to reboot my phone to get the service back.
3. Data Connection Issues
Lately. (Notice a trend?) My data service won't connect. Sometimes I'm coming from a wifi spot or coming out of a bad service error and my data never connects. No 3G, no G, no EDGE. I'll even have full bars on service but no data. Have to go into settings, check "Use only 2G Networks," then uncheck to get data back. Again, sometimes have to reboot phone.
With all that said, I was thinking about moving to a new ROM or wiping and starting over, with the hope that a new ROM would fix problems and give me root back, which would be nice.
Problems... And this seems silly, but I would like to keep my game progress in games like Angry Birds, Drag Racing, and Robo Defense. Tank Hero and PewPew2 would be nice, but not end of the world if I lose them.
I purchased Titanium Backup, but that requires root. Seems if I want to flash to get root I lose data, so in a Catch 22 here.
All other data, Google has got me covered for mail, contacts, Google Voice, etc.
Considering CyanogenMod 7, but guide isn't very helpful for my questions.
Step 1, unlock bootloader.
Shouldn't I already be unlocked from my previous root. How do I verify?
Step 2, install ClockWork or Amon Ra.
I apologize, but can't remember if I did this. Again, how to verify?
From here on I can finish things, just need a good tutorial on the games backup/restore process.
One last thing, it's been awhile since I did the root and longer since the G1 flash, but how are the terminal commands handled on Windows 7?
Ok, so I've got a long list of topics and problems here and understand if it might be a bit overwhelming. However, if anyone has answers to just a few things here, even that would be greatly appreciated.
I love my Nexus One and hate to see it in such bad shape. Plus, I really want to tinker with it and get it back to working order, but from my post you can see I'm not sure where to start.
Thank you,
Steve
I wanted the Note to begin with but went with the S2. I'm in the process of selling my S2 now on CL. I have a few questions first:
1. How's the GPS?
2. ANy issues with AT&T(i assume I can just pop my AT&T SIM in and be good to go).
3. Do market apps work fine with the Notes big screen or do they look crappy because they weren't meant for a large screen?
4. How's every one generally liking the phone? How is it to make calls on (holding up to ones face not via BT).
Info is needed:
I'm on a unlimited 4G plan with AT&T (already using the S2 now) <-----not sure if this matters
Anything else would be excellent. Thanks again guys. Looking to get this then throw a ROM on for speed, remove bloat, tethering (should already be unlocked since not a carrier version) and cleanness.
I have found that it works EXACTLY like the GSII. The screen has one more row for shortcuts.
You'll not notice any difference, other than the enormous size difference. I have huge hands, so the size doesn't matter to me. It's actually quite comfortable.
I just hope some better cases come out for it. There is nothing but crap available now.
Thank you for your thoughts on the device. I'm looking to get one ASAP. Espically since that and the S2 will get ICS in Q1 2012. I know the international versions will get it much quicker then the carrier (AT&T, etc) locked down versions.
GPS is best on the market, literally. its using a new setup that allows for access to many more satellites and locks on better than most dedicated GPS units.
apps are hit and miss. some scale fully, some dont scale at all. theres an app to resize apps though.
i dont use BT when i make calls. its a good sized phone. only downside is that there is a fair bit of leakage out of the earpiece, ie. people around you can often hear both sides of the conversation.
Souai said:
GPS is best on the market, literally. its using a new setup that allows for access to many more satellites and locks on better than most dedicated GPS units.
apps are hit and miss. some scale fully, some dont scale at all. theres an app to resize apps though.
i dont use BT when i make calls. its a good sized phone. only downside is that there is a fair bit of leakage out of the earpiece, ie. people around you can often hear both sides of the conversation.
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What is the app that resizes? Does the resizing make it look distorted? How's the facebook app and other common ones like tapatalk, etc
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What is the app that resizes? Does the resizing make it look distorted? How's the facebook app and other common ones like tapatalk, etc
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Facebook and TapaTalk both work great. No issues whatsoever. I have not seen any rendering issues at all. There have been a few apps that won't download because they say they don't work on a tablet. The phone shows up as a tablet in the Android Market.
Gary86 said:
I wanted the Note to begin with but went with the S2. I'm in the process of selling my S2 now on CL. I have a few questions first:
1. How's the GPS?
2. ANy issues with AT&T(i assume I can just pop my AT&T SIM in and be good to go).
3. Do market apps work fine with the Notes big screen or do they look crappy because they weren't meant for a large screen?
4. How's every one generally liking the phone? How is it to make calls on (holding up to ones face not via BT).
Info is needed:
I'm on a unlimited 4G plan with AT&T (already using the S2 now) <-----not sure if this matters
Anything else would be excellent. Thanks again guys. Looking to get this then throw a ROM on for speed, remove bloat, tethering (should already be unlocked since not a carrier version) and cleanness.
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GPS is Fantastic! Better than the SGSII. ( I had SGSII for 3 weeks and also have a skyrocket) I routinely get a lock INSIDE my house!
You can pop your ATT SIM in but you must configure the APN for Data and MMS.
I have downloaded about 20 (not finished yet) apps to my GNote and they all look fine!
I have only made calls with bluetooth. I have not held to my ear yet except at home. It seems a bit large to do that. My skyrocket is crap with bluetooth but the GNote has been great with my car.
I do not like swipe or the samsung keyboard. Had to download the gingerbread keyboard. I have used several but keep coming back to that one.
Typing is 1000 time easier and better. For the life of me I could not type accurately type on the SGSII...
The screen resolution will blow you away! Watch that video that comes on it! WOW! There is no bloat as with ATT.
I do not know if ATT can detect the tether or not? When I log on to my ATT account it does not show the phone I am using. Does anyone know for sure?
Gary86 said:
I wanted the Note to begin with but went with the S2. I'm in the process of selling my S2 now on CL. I have a few questions first:
1. How's the GPS?
2. ANy issues with AT&T(i assume I can just pop my AT&T SIM in and be good to go).
3. Do market apps work fine with the Notes big screen or do they look crappy because they weren't meant for a large screen?
4. How's every one generally liking the phone? How is it to make calls on (holding up to ones face not via BT).
Info is needed:
I'm on a unlimited 4G plan with AT&T (already using the S2 now) <-----not sure if this matters
Anything else would be excellent. Thanks again guys. Looking to get this then throw a ROM on for speed, remove bloat, tethering (should already be unlocked since not a carrier version) and cleanness.
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1. The GPS is fantastic! It literally outperforms anything else I have ever used, including dedicated stand-alone GPS units.
2. There was initially an issue with AT&T where a particular range of Note IMEI's were being erroneously detected as a tablet device on the system. This issue seems to have been resolved. Even then, not every Note is/was affected anyway. The only other thing I can recommend (apart from configuring the correct APN's, which you can find throughout this forum) is to disable Fast Dormancy. Enter *#*#9900#*#* from your dialer and disable that feature from the menu that pops up. Basically it's a feature that AT&T doesn't use, and disabling it on your Note will vastly improve data speed and reliability.
3. So far I haven't had any issues with apps. Everything I've used looks fine so far.
4. Generally I'm loving the Note. There are a couple of minor (for me anyway) niggles. Mainly, it definitely is a big laggier than the SGS2, but not to the point where it's a deal breaker for me. The lag can mostly be attributed to software for now, but I expect these issues will mostly be solved when ICS is released for it. In the mean time, using SPB Shell 3D in tablet mode instead of TouchWiz has worked wonders. The side button on the s-pen is a little difficult to find just by feeling around for it, but that can be alleviated by etching a # pattern with a razor blade onto the button, giving it just a little more texture. As for actual call quality, honestly it's the clearest and best sounding call quality I have ever heard on a phone, period. Even better than most wired phones I've used!
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planoman said:
I do not like swipe or the samsung keyboard. Had to download the gingerbread keyboard. I have used several but keep coming back to that one.
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Totally agree! Been using the Gingerbread keyboard since my old Captivate, and even on tablets! By far my favourite keyboard!
planoman said:
I do not know if ATT can detect the tether or not? When I log on to my ATT account it does not show the phone I am using. Does anyone know for sure?
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Well, considering that our unlocked devices are free of any AT&T bloatware or other intrusiveware that would otherwise report the specific use of our own equipment, I'm willing to bet that the only way AT&T would be able to detect that we're tethering is to perform deep packet inspection in order to determine the kind of traffic going through the device. I have tethered with both my old unlocked SGS2 and now my Note using only the stock Android tethering ability with no issues. However, I would recommend that you tether only when absolutely necessary and not abuse it, lest you risk being spotted by the Evil Eye of Sauron. Basically, as long as you don't draw unnecessary attention to yourself, you should be fine.
First, I'm just in shock t here's a phone that can't be rooted. It just blows my mind and really, I'm saddened by it. It totally defeats the original idea behind Android - a device that people can root, voiding their warranty, develop - A lot of Amateur dev'd features have been incorporated into Android as it's grown over the years, and modify. Even the Judicial system said end users have the right to do what they want to their device and void the warranty at their own discretion.
However, even if it does ever actually come out and even if VZW DOES carry it and even if I could afford it, which I doubt, I really like th Z force, from what I've seen and read.
So how are you guys who have always used rooted, mod'd devices living without root??
I guess I can learn to give up most of my root required apps, begrudgingly, but TB?? How could I ever transfer my apps and data (MUST have data transferred too) without root??
What about bloatware? It's like giving up sex for me to give up root. Aaaauuuggghhhhh
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First, I'm just in shock t here's a phone that can't be rooted. It just blows my mind and really, I'm saddened by it. It totally defeats the original idea behind Android - a device that people can root, voiding their warranty, develop - A lot of Amateur dev'd features have been incorporated into Android as it's grown over the years, and modify. Even the Judicial system said end users have the right to do what they want to their device and void the warranty at their own discretion.
However, even if it does ever actually come out and even if VZW DOES carry it and even if I could afford it, which I doubt, I really like th Z force, from what I've seen and read.
So how are you guys who have always used rooted, mod'd devices living without root??
I guess I can learn to give up most of my root required apps, begrudgingly, but TB?? How could I ever transfer my apps and data (MUST have data transferred too) without root??
What about bloatware? It's like giving up sex for me to give up root. Aaaauuuggghhhhh
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There's several Android devices that cannot be rooted, certainly ones designed for Verizon (Droids)
Sent from my Moto Razr M using Tapatalk
sd_shadow said:
There's several Android devices that cannot be rooted, certainly ones designed for Verizon (Droids)
Sent from my Moto Razr M using Tapatalk
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True that, but I'm not interested in those lol
HipKat said:
True that, but I'm not interested in those lol
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Well for me the biggest difference is I used to use Playstation controllers, so I had to switch to a gamesir g3s which is the same size and shape but does not require root. Nothing else I do requires root so Im perfectly fine not having it. I miss mhl far more than root since I used it a lot with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse with chrome remote desktop, but I bought a laptop to eliminate that.
I'm really missing the following apps:
Titanium Backup
Ad Blockers that actually work well (AdAway, MinMinGuard, UnbelovedHosts)
Viper4Android
File Browsers that can access the entire filesystem (allowing me to debloat stock apps, among other things).
I can partially work around the ad blockers thing by spending a few extra bucks to purchase some apps that I don't use often enough to have already warranted a purchase, and using DNS66 for non-secure uses (a less than optimal solution, since I can't trust some random server on the internet which could theoretically hit me with a MITM attack...I turn it off whenever security is a concern).
There really is no good workaround for TiBu, V4A, or root file explorers.
But the benefits are that I can now use Android Pay, and don't need to fight with SnapChat every time I need to log back in.
The negatives far outweigh the benefits, and I don't want to ever buy a non-rootable phone again. GFY Verizon.
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I'm really missing the following apps:
Titanium Backup
Ad Blockers that actually work well (AdAway, MinMinGuard, UnbelovedHosts)
Viper4Android
File Browsers that can access the entire filesystem (allowing me to debloat stock apps, among other things).
I can partially work around the ad blockers thing by spending a few extra bucks to purchase some apps that I don't use often enough to have already warranted a purchase, and using DNS66 for non-secure uses (a less than optimal solution, since I can't trust some random server on the internet which could theoretically hit me with a MITM attack...I turn it off whenever security is a concern).
There really is no good workaround for TiBu, V4A, or root file explorers.
But the benefits are that I can now use Android Pay, and don't need to fight with SnapChat every time I need to log back in.
The negatives far outweigh the benefits, and I don't want to ever buy a non-rootable phone again. GFY Verizon.
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That's what I wanted to hear. Guess I'll have to pass on this one. No Backup, or V4A is not acceptable for me
The only complaint that I have is that some of the pre-installed apps are not able to be uninstalled. theres 4? or so that I can't get rid of
This is my first non-rootable phone and I have mixed feelings about that. As a stock platform, the Z Force is a great phone and does almost all that I could ask for from a pocket computer. I love having stock Android and like having WiFi calling, though it's a pain to switch back and forth: go into airplane mode, then switch WiFi on to make WiFi calls. Of course, you have to remember to turn airplane mode off when you get back into service.
I also miss Titanium Backup and the ability to completely remove apps I have no interest in having on my phone. All things being equal, I find that I can live without root on this phone. Battery life is great, it's fast, and it gets frequent and regular updates.
Really, no root?
So I just as well stay with my old rooted Droid Turbo. I came here thinking its time I look for a newer Motorola phone, that I can root.
What if I buy an unlocked Z Force? Can it be rooted then?
It seems that the regular Moto Z can be rooted according to this thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z/how-to/guide-how-to-root-moto-z-supersu-t3551113
So why can the Force not also be rooted?
Stuck with VZW Malware
I'd like to add to my original list of complaints about not having root.
The topic: AppFlash
Verizon now pushes the AppFlash malware onto every Android device. Without root, it can not be removed properly. I tried to disable the app via Settings, and it "uninstalled" an "update" so now AppFlash doesn't appear in the Apps list, but I still get messages that "AppFlash has crashed" multiple times per day. I work in an area with minimal cell service and no GPS service, and I strongly supect that it's AppFlash that's trying to spy on me, which is causing my phone to be constantly seeking location via GPS and draining my battery. It's only the last month or two that I've noticed it being this bad, and that does seem to correspond with the time that people started reporting the latest wave of AppFlash installations.
Make no bones about it, this is spyware, pushed by Verizon, that tracks your location, calls home to report everything ELSE they've spied on you as well, drains battery rapidly, and can not be removed!
This was the final straw, Verizon. I'm going to move back to iPhone (at least VZW can't crap up iOS too badly, like they can with Android) and then convince my wife to finally fire those VZW bums and switch to T-Mobile or Google Fi.
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I'd like to add to my original list of complaints about not having root.
The topic: AppFlash
Verizon now pushes the AppFlash malware onto every Android device. Without root, it can not be removed properly. I tried to disable the app via Settings, and it "uninstalled" an "update" so now AppFlash doesn't appear in the Apps list, but I still get messages that "AppFlash has crashed" multiple times per day. I work in an area with minimal cell service and no GPS service, and I strongly supect that it's AppFlash that's trying to spy on me, which is causing my phone to be constantly seeking location via GPS and draining my battery. It's only the last month or two that I've noticed it being this bad, and that does seem to correspond with the time that people started reporting the latest wave of AppFlash installations.
Make no bones about it, this is spyware, pushed by Verizon, that tracks your location, calls home to report everything ELSE they've spied on you as well, drains battery rapidly, and can not be removed!
This was the final straw, Verizon. I'm going to move back to iPhone (at least VZW can't crap up iOS too badly, like they can with Android) and then convince my wife to finally fire those VZW bums and switch to T-Mobile or Google Fi.
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How is the iPhone working out on Fi?
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How is the iPhone working out on Fi?
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Haha, I know, right? Reading comprehension can be hard.
As I said, my plan was to FIRST move back to an iPhone, THEN switch to T-Mobile OR Google Fi (the implication being, that when changing networks, one must obviously either have or obtain compatible hardware). Unfortunately, in my area only VZW has reliable 4G coverage without dead zones in the places where we need service the most. The wife has put her foot down about switching networks for the time being.
At least my iPhone, while older, still has the most recent version of iOS and is unencumbered by Verizon's malware. It's a reasonable compromise at the moment.
Since Z Force seems to be non-rootable, does it mean that camera2 api support level on the phone cannot be improved?
Or is there any way to enable Camera2 API Without Root on this phone?
also, can someone PLEASE help me on this QUERY...
What is Camera2 API support level on Moto Z FORCE
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z-force/themes/camera2-api-support-level-moto-z-force-t3863829
Its so sad not to have root on a very capable device like the Z force