[Q] Question: Moto X and Telcel GSM SIM in Mexico

[Q] Question: Moto X and Telcel GSM SIM in Mexico - Moto X Q&A

I know there is a thread about someone using a MAXX for this purpose here - but I wondered if anyone here specifically had experience using a Telcel GSM SIM in Mexico with a Moto X.
Just a little backstory on this... I am going to Cancun in October. I have a Samsung S4 but read that it has issues using data with a GSM sim... so I did some research and, from what I have read, my best option was to get a Moto X because the radio in 4.4.4 fixed a bunch of issues with using a GSM sim and that the Moto X was truly sim unlocked - where the MAXX was locked during a recent update. From a layman's perspective, it is almost impossible to determine what the reality is... but I made the jump anyway.
I actually got Verizon to give me a free upgrade 15 months ahead of schedule when I told them that I would just add a new line and pay the ETF rather than paying full retail for the phone... after explaining to them that I wanted the Moto X because it was sim unlocked. The good news is that they didn't even extend my contract... they just let me buy a new subsidized phone, apparently.
So, now to the question at hand... has anyone had experience doing this? Do I need to do something to make it work properly?

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[Q] Moto X from T-Mobile to AT&T

I want to get a Moto X that would work if I decided to switch from T-Mobile to AT&T. My first preference is to buy it from Best Buy (I have some gift cards) but the guy at the store said if I bought a T-Mobile Moto X from them it wouldn't work if I switched to AT&T because it would be locked. From what I understand, T-Mobile can and will unlock this device for me if I ask them (nicely) meaning I could then use it with AT&T. Is my understanding correct?
My other options are to buy one from T-Mobile or get one from Motorola's website. Same question with these phones: Even if they are locked to T-Mobile at first, can I get them unlocked and use them on AT&T?
Thanks for any and all help!

shahud said:
I want to get a Moto X that would work if I decided to switch from T-Mobile to AT&T. My first preference is to buy it from Best Buy (I have some gift cards) but the guy at the store said if I bought a T-Mobile Moto X from them it wouldn't work if I switched to AT&T because it would be locked. From what I understand, T-Mobile can and will unlock this device for me if I ask them (nicely) meaning I could then use it with AT&T. Is my understanding correct?
My other options are to buy one from T-Mobile or get one from Motorola's website. Same question with these phones: Even if they are locked to T-Mobile at first, can I get them unlocked and use them on AT&T?
Thanks for any and all help!
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I don't know that there is a "T-Mobile Branded" X, and I don't think T-Mobile sells the X directly (at least it isn't on their web site).
Your choice, is the GSM UNlocked (includes T-Mobile sim) from Moto Maker web site, or the GSM Developer Edition... why?
These are the only way to get a Moto X that supports HSPA/HSPA+ over AWS (1700mhz) that T-mobile uses. History or why is this a consideration: When T-mobile started rolling out their HSPA/HSPA+ network, they did so on AWS(1700mhz) and are the only carrier to do so. While they are re-farming their 1900mhz from EDGE to HSPA+ in many areas, that isn't complete, so if the phone doesn't support HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS, it will fall back to EDGE in those legacy areas which remain.
Now, what is the difference between the GSM Unlocked and GSM Dev Edition? Kind of simple...
The GSM Developer Edition comes only as 32gig with black face, woven white back, silver accents (buttons and camera ring), and says Developer Edition on the back.
The GSM Unlocked (includes T-Mobile SIM) on Moto Maker can be ordered as 16, 32, or 64gig, and the face, back and accents can be customized, along with other customization.
BOTH are SIM unlocked out of the box. Both can be bootloader unlocked, however doing so voids the warranty on the GSM Unlocked version but not the Dev Edition.
Both of these editions support the same GSM/EDGE/GPRS/HSPA/HSPA+/LTE bands and frequencies. In fact, they are the same "board' inside, use the same roms, etc. i.e. other than the look of the outside & customization options, and bootloader unlocking voiding vs not voiding the warranty, they are the same phone. (hence the GSM Dev Edition being the preferred choice so you can unlock the bootloader and easily root it without voiding the warranty).
If you are on T-Mobile today, you could buy the ATT version at no contract direct from Moto, BUT... you can't unlock the bootloader (moto doesn't give out the codes for ATT, Verizon, Republic wireless and a few others), ATT Wont sim unlock it (so you could use with T-Mobile) unless you are their customer for a certain period of time, and it doesn't support HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS. While the ATT X does support 2 extra LTE bands, those bands are not currently used in the USA.
Hope that makes sense.

Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
P.S. I did take a look at the Moto G 4G and the Dev Edition but considering who is going to use this phone (my mom), my budget and the reviews the Moto X has gotten I decided that the X would be the best choice.

shahud said:
Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
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Yes, that is correct. The only caveat being that if ATT ever starts using those two extra LTE Bands (band 5 and 7) in the USA then the GSM Unlocked will have a slight disadvantage as it doesn't support them (hardware wise).

shahud said:
Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
P.S. I did take a look at the Moto G 4G and the Dev Edition but considering who is going to use this phone (my mom), my budget and the reviews the Moto X has gotten I decided that the X would be the best choice.
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moto x is a great phone for mom because it just works. Good choice my friend.
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shahud said:
Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
P.S. I did take a look at the Moto G 4G and the Dev Edition but considering who is going to use this phone (my mom), my budget and the reviews the Moto X has gotten I decided that the X would be the best choice.
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I bought the T-Mobile/GSM unlocked version from MotoMaker and it's working on my AT&T GoPhone plan no problem. I cut my micro-SIM down to nano and it works in the X just like it did in my Nexus 4. Interestingly I get better signal in many areas on LTE than my N4 got on HSPA+.
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tnp9008 said:
I bought the T-Mobile/GSM unlocked version from MotoMaker and it's working on my AT&T GoPhone plan no problem. I cut my micro-SIM down to nano and it works in the X just like it did in my Nexus 4. Interestingly I get better signal in many areas on LTE than my N4 got on HSPA+.
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I have this device on the AT&T GoPhone plan and very pleased with LTE here in the mountains of NC..out performs my Moto X Dev Edition and Droid Maxx Dev Edition (Verizon) here..
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[Q] Buying on Moto site w/VZW

This is probably a really stupid question forgive me. I'm in the market for a new phone. Is the Moto X on the Moto website the Pure edition? The site gives me the option for VZW. Is there a Pure version for VZW?

No. Although I read there was a way to use the pure edition on Verizon network if you switch the sim out with another Verizon phone with the same size sim. This might have been an article about the nexus 6, and I don't have Verizon so I can't confirm. The frequencies might be different.

XT1053 broken, looking at my options

I have XT1053 and it is broken. I use it on AT&T and LTE support is important. It was on 4.2.2 and I never upgraded to 4.4 as it seemed all later versions just brought different problems and I never needed any new features. I haven't followed 5.1 too much but if it was any good there would not be threads here about downgrading, right?
My options are (I need to do something fast because I leave for vacation in Europe at the end of the month and would like to use phone there. I don't want anything larger than 5"):
1) Send it to Motorola and for $100 they will fix it. Probably just replace with refurb. But what version of Android will it come with? Does anyone know?
2) Get 2014 Moto X, but what version? It seems "Pure Edition" (XT1095) didn't support AT& LTE bands out of the box but they were upgraded later and that enabled it. Yet I found posts that AT&T IMEI database apparently doesn't list XT1095 as having these bands and phone doesn't connect to LTE on AT&T. One has to proved IMEI from another phone. My AT&T SIM is now associated with 1053, so maybe I would be OK?
has Lollipop upgrade on 2014 Moto X been as bad as it was on 2013?
3) Get XT1097 (AT&T version of Moto X 2014) - I don't like the fact that it only comes with 16GB of storage. Also, can it be rooted/bootloader/SIM unlocked?
4) Get some other phone and here I just don't know what to consider in 5" size because I haven't been following Android phones recently.
Feedback and answers appreciated.

You could wait for the new nexus.
Apparently a 5 inch nexus will be released.
Otherwise, you don't really have many options for 5 inch phone.
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Looking to get XT1095 or XT1097 or something else for AT&T

I have XT1053 (Moto X 2013 Developer Edition GSM) and it is broken. I use it on AT&T and LTE support is important. It was on 4.2.2 and I never upgraded to 4.4 as it seemed all later versions just brought different problems and I never needed any new features. I haven't followed 5.1 too much but if it was any good there would not be threads here about downgrading on its forum, right?
My options are (I need to do something fast because I leave for vacation in Europe at the end of the month and would like to use phone there. I don't want anything larger than 5"):
1) Send it to Motorola and for $100 they will fix it. Probably just replace with refurb. But what version of Android will it come with? Does anyone know?
2) Get 2014 Moto X, but what version? It seems "Pure Edition" (XT1095) didn't support AT& LTE bands out of the box but they were upgraded later and that enabled it. Yet I found posts that AT&T IMEI database apparently doesn't list XT1095 as having these bands and phone doesn't connect to LTE on AT&T. One has to proved IMEI from another phone. My AT&T SIM is now associated with 1053, so maybe I would be OK? Has all this been officially rectified?
Has Lollipop upgrade on 2014 Moto X been as bad as it was on 2013?
3) Get XT1097 (AT&T version of Moto X 2014) - I don't like the fact that it only comes with 16GB of storage. Also, can it be rooted/bootloader/SIM unlocked?
4) Get some other phone and here I just don't know what to consider in 5" size because I haven't been following Android phones recently.
Feedback and answers appreciated.

Unlocked Moto G6 on Verizon

Yes, I searched. And yes, I realize this may be a trivial question. But I've done no tinkering on my past 2 phones so real rusty on anything other than VZW purchased phones.
First, I live in a VZW-only area, so different carriers is not an option. And its time for me to do a phone upgrade. Because we're on a tight budget, the Motorola Moto G6 seems the best option for a new phone with warranty.
QUESTION: For any of you that purchased the Moto G6 unlocked from Motorola, Amazon, etc. (not the Play, etc etc) for use on Verizon using your existing SIM card, have you had any problem getting the phone to work correctly on Verizon?
The reason I ask is purchasing the G6 on Verizon is $240 + $30 upgrade + free shipping = $270 vs. on Motorola the unlocked G6 is currently $229 + free shipping = $229 ... then just swap my SIM card and do the phone switch on the VZW site.

I'm not a VZW user, but I did some digging for you.
Verizon uses 3 LTE antenna bands -- 2, 4, and 13 -- all of which the Moto G6 has. So, you should be fine as long as the service is good.
Here are the sources if you wish to take a look for yourself:
https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g6-9000.php
https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/verizon-wireless-united-states

It should work but keep in mind you will probably never see custom roms specific that device. It does have the ability to root and use twrp if memory serves me right. With that you can install Generic System Images from the Treble Development forum here. These are a new rom format that are universally compatible with devices shipping with Android 8 and newer. Because of the universal format, and it's a newer way of making roms, not everything may work.
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JoeGatto said:
I'm not a VZW user, but I did some digging for you.
Verizon uses 3 LTE antenna bands -- 2, 4, and 13 -- all of which the Moto G6 has. So, you should be fine as long as the service is good.
Here are the sources if you wish to take a look for yourself:
https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g6-9000.php
https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/verizon-wireless-united-states
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Thanks! Appreciate this info ... its something I used to check into but being so rusty on stock phones, didn't even think about the various bands. Glad to have those links!

cvhovey said:
Yes, I searched. And yes, I realize this may be a trivial question. But I've done no tinkering on my past 2 phones so real rusty on anything other than VZW purchased phones.
First, I live in a VZW-only area, so different carriers is not an option. And its time for me to do a phone upgrade. Because we're on a tight budget, the Motorola Moto G6 seems the best option for a new phone with warranty.
QUESTION: For any of you that purchased the Moto G6 unlocked from Motorola, Amazon, etc. (not the Play, etc etc) for use on Verizon using your existing SIM card, have you had any problem getting the phone to work correctly on Verizon?
The reason I ask is purchasing the G6 on Verizon is $240 + $30 upgrade + free shipping = $270 vs. on Motorola the unlocked G6 is currently $229 + free shipping = $229 ... then just swap my SIM card and do the phone switch on the VZW site.
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i use straight talk through the verizon network on my retail -6 g6. works perfectly. just pull the trigger as long as its not the amazon version. i got mine at best buy for 250$

Dadud said:
i use straight talk through the verizon network on my retail -6 g6. works perfectly. just pull the trigger as long as its not the amazon version. i got mine at best buy for 250$
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Thx! And, yeah, I did a quick look at the Amazon version ... and ran the opposite direction.

cvhovey said:
Yes, I searched. And yes, I realize this may be a trivial question. But I've done no tinkering on my past 2 phones so real rusty on anything other than VZW purchased phones.
First, I live in a VZW-only area, so different carriers is not an option. And its time for me to do a phone upgrade. Because we're on a tight budget, the Motorola Moto G6 seems the best option for a new phone with warranty.
QUESTION: For any of you that purchased the Moto G6 unlocked from Motorola, Amazon, etc. (not the Play, etc etc) for use on Verizon using your existing SIM card, have you had any problem getting the phone to work correctly on Verizon?
The reason I ask is purchasing the G6 on Verizon is $240 + $30 upgrade + free shipping = $270 vs. on Motorola the unlocked G6 is currently $229 + free shipping = $229 ... then just swap my SIM card and do the phone switch on the VZW site.
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I use an unlocked Moto G6 I bought from Target on Verizon, I went into a corporate store, ported my number from ATT to Verizon and had no issues, everything works, volte, visual voicemail, ect.

luigi90210 said:
I use an unlocked Moto G6 I bought from Target on Verizon, I went into a corporate store, ported my number from ATT to Verizon and had no issues, everything works, volte, visual voicemail, ect.
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Thx ... I'm going ahead to get this phone!

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