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Game over tab 8.9?

Samsung will likely release a next gen tab in Barcelona. Will this mean minimal support for our tab?
I was a big defender of android for 2 years. But i have had it. Will switch over to iphone 5 and ipad 3. Our tab rom from Samsung is suboptimal to say the least. Still no ICS. App quality still sucks for business, science, musicians etc. Improvement too slow. I thought differently 6 months ago but now it seems we can not catch up to Apple ecosystem.
I am just trying to make a rational decision, no ideological arguments.
I know I know...go ahead, hit me...
cheers
chris

There's a couple of nice ICS roms over in the development forum, I'm using the latest Galaxian Soup alpha and it's awesome.

I agree.. I'm feeling frustrated from lag and the low support from my device. Yes Apple taking the full control for IOS.. But I realise that its for good.....
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I am still not sold on the iOS

here at the WEF
I also need to admit that I am in a bad mood right now...which prompted me to start this thread.
I am here in Davos at the wef. looking around I see only ipads. the special wef app on my tab 8.9 fcs all the time, looks terribly designed and can not be used in landscape on the tablet!
on the ipad the same app looks great andworks in landscape. that just fuelled my anger....

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There's a couple of nice ICS roms over in the development forum, I'm using the latest Galaxian Soup alpha and it's awesome.
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None of the roms for the 8.9 seem to display hdmi out correctly or have other significant issues.
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SGSChris said:
I also need to admit that I am in a bad mood right now...which prompted me to start this thread.
I am here in Davos at the wef. looking around I see only ipads. the special wef app on my tab 8.9 fcs all the time, looks terribly designed and can not be used in landscape on the tablet!
on the ipad the same app looks great andworks in landscape. that just fuelled my anger....
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well but that ain't really androids or samsungs fault. if someone designs a crappy app for android and a well working app for ios then of course it will look better on ios....
as for support. the older iphones aren't getting any updates and ipad1 is missing out on a lot of features that the ipad2 got via software. so it aint like android is all bad and ios is all good.
that being said, yeah samsung is being slow releasing stuff and touchwizz is bloated crap. they should try and please people releasing updates as fast as possible instead of bloating them and making them slower.

I've only owned my sgt 8.9 for a month and I think th nhardware is fantastic and going from iphone 3-4s and my wifes ipad 2 to this android and samsung show they can pull it off better than apple in most ways.... But.....
Time between releases isn't practical, the features of true clean android os (no samsung excess besides ebook) are fantastic but samsung kill it with touchwiz and excess compulsary samsung apps, and the market is great but also it's own worst enemy. (but we cant do anything about that because its un-regulated so to speak). Been muking around with custom roms and my hats off to the develooers as they're are really trying to polish up and bring us the best experience possible but they're relying on samsung to continue support but sadly they just are developing enough for our developers to improve on.
It's sad when a combination of 2 great products with both ability, style and funding can't bring it together and focus on fewer models or realeases to perfect something thats already almost there and really flex there muscles in the face of the competition.
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None of the roms for the 8.9 seem to display hdmi out correctly or have other significant issues.
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This is true, I suppose it really depends upon what you are using the tablet for.

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well but that ain't really androids or samsungs fault. if someone designs a crappy app for android and a well working app for ios then of course it will look better on ios....
as for support. the older iphones aren't getting any updates and ipad1 is missing out on a lot of features that the ipad2 got via software. so it aint like android is all bad and ios is all good.
that being said, yeah samsung is being slow releasing stuff and touchwizz is bloated crap. they should try and please people releasing updates as fast as possible instead of bloating them and making them slower.
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agree, but that is why we need to consider the whole ecosystem that generates design standards, a sense of esthetics and professionalism and coolness...
samsung seems to push new bricks with better technology at a frantic speed but this does not improve usability. they are bad at engaging users and are terrible on the softwareside. It also seems that the ios ecosystem has the more demanding users that care less about tech and custom roms but overall usability.
I have my tab now for 5 months, there has not been a release of any appropriate rom by samsung for a 600$ Tablet! not acceptable...and my sgs i9000 is also not supported anymore by samsung...

I have an 8.9 and I feel your pain as well. I want Android to work out but it seems the manufacturers are only interested in the initial sale of the item, after that support dwindles quickly. Compare this to Apple who understands that your building a relationship with your customer. I think it sucks that the Kindle Fire has better support then the Galaxy Tab and most honeycomb devices.
App support with Android is poor at best. When compatibility has to be reviewed for each device by the developer (Hello hulu, netflix, & Gameloft!), you have a poor ecosystem. A number of really good games avail on the iPad do not even have Android the radar.
Still, I hang in there, because I don't like Apples restrictive system. Hoping manufacturers & developers will get on board and fix things. If it doesn't change in the next year though, I'm out and going back to iPad, because at the end of the day I want to use my device not hack it.

I can understand the frustration fully. I have an LG Optimus S, and my wife just upgraded off her Samsung Moment. Sometimes, vendor support for the latest version of android is minimal at best. In contrast, Apple EOLs their hardware, and there is no coming back from that. Every hardware update/major version release sees the previous oldest supported platform unsupported. Additionally, even the previous version sees missing features on the software side (ref iphone 4 + siri) that hafe been proven to run on the older platform.
Atleast with android, you can rely on strong dev communities to build new versions of the software in a timely manner. All weekend I ran the ICS alpha/beta and it is very nice!

I like my tab mainly for the size and form, and for 360 dollars it was a deal. It doesn't work any better them my Acer A500, which is more use full in the long run. Anyways my first android was the Samsung Moment which was terrible, htc hero, evo, nexus s, Acer A100, Acer A500, nook color, I pad 2, and now this 8.9. So I have had a lot of experience and I can surely say this is my last android mobile device. I'm tired of being a lab rat for these half baked devices all has had major problems. I don't want to have to rely on developers to fix things. I have only kept the I pad for a month and couldn't live without Google's services, but now I'm over it. Until they get more control over these manufactures to provide updates in a timely manor and manufactures fix their hardware I don't see a reason to stay. I guess the flexibility of android comes at a price and we all get burned.
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This is a really interesting thread, because it portrays what I think would be a very different opinion versus if you asked the same question other in the dev board. And the different demographics involves paralleled a conversation I had the other day at work.
I am a complete Android head - half the appeal for me is tinkering with the thing. I see that as normal - no, actually I see that as a big part of the experience. I hate the iPad because it is so rigidly locked down in every respect. I had an iPad, but found it stifling and could get on with it even jailbroken.
I was shocked, however, when a girl at work gave a ten minute scathing diatribe on Android based on her experience with a low end Samsung phone. "But that was a low end Android phone!" I said. "It was bound to be slow and clunky. That's not a fair assessment of Android to base it on that experience. Plus, even if it was underpowered hardware, you probably could still have found a ROM for it out there that'd solve most of the problems you were having".
She didn't care. She just wanted the thing to work out of the box and her eyes glazed over when I started talking about ROMs.
It was a new perspective for me and I find myself recommending devices differently now. Time was I would have recommended the GT 8.9 unequivocally. The form factor plus hardware (in my opinion) beats anything else currently on the market. And I'd put my ICS equipped 8.9 up against any iPad in terms of user experience and I'd say it comes out on top. However, if you want a tablet that you get out of the box and use, it's not this one. The stock Samsung Android install is an abortion and unless you are happy to tweak (or have a family member who'll do it for you) it's not the device for you.
And therein lies the problem with 99% of Android devices on the market. Until vendors get over this need to differentiate their devices by adding layer after layer of bloat on top of Android, Android will continue to play second fiddle to iOS in terms of the user experience - even if that iOS user experience is rigidly controlled and prevents you from doing basic things like moving an icon a couple of spaces away from another.

I never had a problem with android until I lost my nexus one. Then I entered the world of other manufacturers devices. So far they all suck. HTC has the ****ty looking sense the I dare to define a great punch in the face to good design, Samsung is notoriously known for making good hardware but not giving a crap about the software, I'm not sure why this is, why they think that the software is not as important to the device. My next try will be with Asus, they seem to update their software on top of having decent hardware. This in regard of tablets for phones, i'll switch to a nexus device as soon as my HTC dies or the galaxy nexus comes to t-mobile.
I went through apple and i dont like the company. First of all i'm forced most of the time at work to use imacs to work on visual effects, i dont know where studio owners get their facts, but those machine sucks for production! They are designed for customers not professionals, they have the guts of a laptop and none of the benefits. Then i have a macbook that gave me nothing but hardware problems for 3 years, an iphone 4 that i can't use because its super locked to at&t and i used to have an ipod touch which died unexpectedly during a vacation. The only apple stuff i'm kinda happy about are my two ipods that still survive (and yet do not allow, me to officially get my music out of them).
So as you can see I'm fed up with apple and their shady hardware, they killed all the great professional stuff they had (shake, final cut pro, quicktime pro, apple servers and raids) and i don't think osx has any advantage over windows anymore either.
There are two faces to every coin, but I'm sure one day I will find a good tablet/phone/computer maker for my needs, it's just a trial and error job.
Good luck with Apple I hope you'll be more lucky than me!

Loccy said:
It was a new perspective for me and I find myself recommending devices differently now.
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nice post mate. i totally agree with you and half the fun for me with android is the messing about and tweaking stuff. the only android phones i would recomend without thinking twice are the nexus series (because they are bloat free) and the s2 because its just and awesome device. but yeah if you have something more "consumerish" and don't feel like messing around with it you aren't gonna have the nices experience.
for the technologically unprepaired person an iProduct is probably better because it just works as they think it should (even though its awefully restrained and restricted)
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I never had a problem with android until I lost my nexus one.
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i'm still running my n1 and loving it
as for apple machines for production...i have a lot to do in the video sector and we use macpros with final cut (7 not x )
i must say they are awesome machines but also have a few downsides.
they are friggin expensive (as everything apple)
they are not the error free devices everyone thinks they are. only last month we had 2 graphics cards dying 1 hdd giving up and 2 OS corruptions. so the myth about apple products not breaking down is...a myth!
so yeah if you are prepared to tinker i would go with android all the way. if you are my mum or someone else that just wants to USE something and not get involved with it...then i guess the i is the way to go.

I showed my stock skyrocket when I first bought it, she didn't even wanted to look.
Then I installed my preferred launcher (Launcher 7) and custom roms, lots of small tricks and clean ups (hid all the extra apps like Ti Backup, Root Explorer, etc.) and let the Windows Phone 7 interface dominate with big Twitter and Facebook buttons, Big camera and email button, weather. She was sold. She played with it while I was watching tv for a good while.
If the iPhone 5 will feature yet another 3.5" display, I'll take your phone no problem, she said.
I think the Android Interface, esp. the launcher, the widget handling, etc. leaves a lot to be desired. WP7 less is more approach works for some.

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WP7 less is more approach works for some.
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I agree in fact I'm very curious to try one WP7 device for a while and maybe start suggesting that instead of iphones.

SGSChris said:
Samsung will likely release a next gen tab in Barcelona. Will this mean minimal support for our tab?
I was a big defender of android for 2 years. But i have had it. Will switch over to iphone 5 and ipad 3. Our tab rom from Samsung is suboptimal to say the least. Still no ICS. App quality still sucks for business, science, musicians etc. Improvement too slow. I thought differently 6 months ago but now it seems we can not catch up to Apple ecosystem.
I am just trying to make a rational decision, no ideological arguments.
I know I know...go ahead, hit me...
cheers
chris
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If you need an application that you cannot live without then go with ipad. You might be prepared that new ipad3 will blow ipad2 away but this is a bout making more and more money.
I was with Apple before Android. Now I am proud not following the iCrowd.
After stripping all bloatware and services my Sammy serves me well.
In regards to ICS I tried it on Xoom and didn't see anything vitally important.
It seems that in one year every piece of hardware becomes largely irrelevant and in two obsolete.

its still fck alpha so whats the point here??
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qhinton said:
I like my tab mainly for the size and form, and for 360 dollars it was a deal. It doesn't work any better them my Acer A500, which is more use full in the long run. Anyways my first android was the Samsung Moment which was terrible, htc hero, evo, nexus s, Acer A100, Acer A500, nook color, I pad 2, and now this 8.9. So I have had a lot of experience and I can surely say this is my last android mobile device. I'm tired of being a lab rat for these half baked devices all has had major problems. I don't want to have to rely on developers to fix things. I have only kept the I pad for a month and couldn't live without Google's services, but now I'm over it. Until they get more control over these manufactures to provide updates in a timely manor and manufactures fix their hardware I don't see a reason to stay. I guess the flexibility of android comes at a price and we all get burned.
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this is soooo true... despite to the fact how much i hate apple as company...
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If you need an application that you cannot live without then go with ipad. You might be prepared that new ipad3 will blow ipad2 away but this is a bout making more and more money.
I was with Apple before Android. Now I am proud not following the iCrowd.
After stripping all bloatware and services my Sammy serves me well.
In regards to ICS I tried it on Xoom and didn't see anything vitally important.
It seems that in one year every piece of hardware becomes largely irrelevant and in two obsolete.
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If you like to use half finished products just not to follow the iCrowd than i am sorry for u... just that.

This phone is amazing!

Before I got the nexus 5 I was debating going back to ios. Now a month later that idea seems crazy to me. I am still in awe and shock about the functionality of this phone. I simply did not even think this level of customization was possible. Sometimes I get so excited when an iphone user asks me why I use android because I get to explain to them all the different functions. But in most cases I find it confuses them more than interest them. But that's fair, to each their own.
xposed framework and gravitybox are the only customizations I have put on this phone. And together with swiftkey, nova launcher, and the vanilla android this thing is a force to be reckoned with. 4.4.1 made the camera so much better and honestly at this point I can say this phone has gone above and beyond every single one of my expectations for a $700 phone, let alone 400.
Lastly, I just wanted to thank the xda community, you guys are f'ing awesome and the amount of support for this phone is unbelievable. And it's all done voluntarily and free of charge (although I feel everyone should donate). Consider my mind blown.

Have you tried the app Tasker?
If you like technical things and playing around with the phone that app is gold.

>To each their own
My programming-teacher uses apple products, which kinda surprised me at first. But he explained, that even though android may be more functional, you need to invest quite a lot of time for it to be really as customizable as people say - Time, that he as a teacher can't really spend. He'll rather spend 300$ more and have a phone that 'just works'. And indeed, from what I can tell, an uncustomized Android KitKat is pretty lame, even compared to iOS.
I'm comming from an SGS2 with CM 10.2 and I was actually pretty shocked how little an unrooted stock Android offers. Now, after investing some hours in driver issues, unlocking, rooting, searching for a good rom and flashing that, with several backups along the way, I'm really happy with my phone. But not everyone can or want to invest that much time or even has the expertise to do it.

jh0ker said:
>To each their own
My programming-teacher uses apple products, which kinda surprised me at first. But he explained, that even though android may be more functional, you need to invest quite a lot of time for it to be really as customizable as people say - Time, that he as a teacher can't really spend. He'll rather spend 300$ more and have a phone that 'just works'. And indeed, from what I can tell, an uncustomized Android KitKat is pretty lame, even compared to iOS.
I'm comming from an SGS2 with CM 10.2 and I was actually pretty shocked how little an unrooted stock Android offers. Now, after investing some hours in driver issues, unlocking, rooting, searching for a good rom and flashing that, with several backups along the way, I'm really happy with my phone. But not everyone can or want to invest that much time or even has the expertise to do it.
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Not to turn this into an IOS vs Android debate, but I no longer root or flash my nexus devices because I also want a device that 'just works'. With that said stock Android 'just works' these days. My devices are perfectly stable and do more than I desire even while 100% stock.
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Yeah, without going flamewar and all that... I definitely think Android 4.0 and above on it's own is fine for the normal user just as much as iOS is. I don't feel like I NEED to do mods, they are just convenience or to more taylor the phone to how I want to use it. There are plenty of things that open your eyes to doing things a different way once you know about it. I think this is the general problem with ANY user, people just don't like change so if they got into the mentality of Windows or iOS then changing to another way is seen as cumbersome and time wasting when in reality it could be better. Hell if we all still were using DOS 6.22 we wouldn't be able to get some things done as fast as we do today and all that's possible because of change.
As said though, I don't try forcing people to anything specific. My wife has and likes Android devices, my mom has a Galaxy 3 and few of my friends has an iPhone 5 or Lumias all recommended by me.
As for the phone itself, i'm loving mine as well. I've had tons of phones from tons of different companies. I had Windows Mobile to Blackberry (old Bold and Curves, not new stuff) to Windows Phone to Android to Windows Phone to iOS to Android. I liked my Samsung Blackjack tons but definitely loving this phone more than my last Android devices (Nexus 4, HTC One, SGS3, SGS2, HTC Inspire HD, Nexus One, T-Mobile G1). Right now i'm pretty content even though the Moto G and X are pulling at me....

I bought a Xperia Z1 and I'm spending more time on Nexus 5 board

Welcome to the Android fold again without turning this into a flame war just got my black Nexus 5 days 3 ago and I'm totally loving it coming from HTC I do not miss sense at all i agree that android has finally caught up with ios in terms of being functional out of the box and very nice to look at also. Great time to be an android user.
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I've tried pretty much all of the roms for the N4 and N5. I'm happy now with stock 4.4.1 and Gravitybox. I've got all the tweaks I want really. I dread to think how much time i've spent flashing roms on this awesome phone instead of actually using it. It must be contagious though, my girlfriend just got an HTC One after years of being an iSheep

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>To each their own
My programming-teacher uses apple products, which kinda surprised me at first. But he explained, that even though android may be more functional, you need to invest quite a lot of time for it to be really as customizable as people say - Time, that he as a teacher can't really spend. He'll rather spend 300$ more and have a phone that 'just works'. And indeed, from what I can tell, an uncustomized Android KitKat is pretty lame, even compared to iOS.
I'm comming from an SGS2 with CM 10.2 and I was actually pretty shocked how little an unrooted stock Android offers. Now, after investing some hours in driver issues, unlocking, rooting, searching for a good rom and flashing that, with several backups along the way, I'm really happy with my phone. But not everyone can or want to invest that much time or even has the expertise to do it.
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In all fairness, if somebody knows what they're doing you can root, add a custom recovery, xposed framework and gravitybox in probably less than half an hour. I would also argue that the stock android with nova launcher is more functional than the current ios. I would have completely agreed with you a couple of years ago, iphones just worked. But with the new android hardware and kitkat, the platform is just as stable an snappy as ios.

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My programming-teacher uses apple products, which kinda surprised me at first. But he explained, that even though android may be more functional, you need to invest quite a lot of time for it to be really as customizable as people say - Time, that he as a teacher can't really spend. He'll rather spend 300$ more and have a phone that 'just works'. And indeed, from what I can tell, an uncustomized Android KitKat is pretty lame, even compared to iOS.
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Since the advent of "Project Butter"and 4.2.x Jelly Bean, Pure Android phones no longer need to be rooted or fully customized for the average user to have an excellent mobile experience as they work quite well out of the box, so what your programming teacher states is just wrong. And the fact of he being a teacher, doesn't necessarily means he has deep knowledge about the features of every mobile OS out there.
Even though iOS and Android theoretically belong to the same OS family (Unix-Like), the concept of the iPhone and the Nexus are different as night and day.

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Welcome to the Android fold again without turning this into a flame war just got my black Nexus 5 days 3 ago and I'm totally loving it coming from HTC I do not miss sense at all i agree that android has finally caught up with ios in terms of being functional out of the box and very nice to look at also. Great time to be an android user.
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+1 My first nexus and am absolute amazed
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i rally like this phone. i'm sick of custom roms. people get too excited on xda for new things and don't realy remain objective. i don't know why the nexus (after the update, i know it has a few issues but it's pretty amazing now) would be a disapointment to anyone. there were great phones in the past and the nexus might not be that much better than an older phone in ways that matter but disapointment is harsh...
it's like in the military we used to say the best to bases are where you are going the the place you'd just come from. people rarely talk about the place they are now. when you get pcs'd every one tell you about they experiences they had there and build it up to be a real adventure. but when you get there all you have to talk about is your old friends at your old place maybe convincing someone going the other way it's better too. it's just human nature really...
as far as the arguments about apple "just working" well it does... so does your stock rom on your android.. it's nonsensical... it's not a reason not to chose android, but with that mentality there is no reason not to chose apple either.. so to each their own. just don't make it out to be that apple is soo much better in that regard.
a lot of android frustration is from people chosing the wrong mods to use.. i mean there are odex files on a stock phone for a reason... odex roms save space in data and are generally smoother running. deodexing and decompiling/recompiling often breaks things that might be minor but if you wonder why your android doens't run like ios... well it's probably not googles fault..

i had nexus 3 nexus 4 and niw nexus 5 my future device will be nexus 6 / i have an advice : if u want android for first time taste it only on NEXUS devices other android phones like Samsung , HTC , or etc...are piece of sh....t ! trust me

4.4.1 for the N5 is so good I just installed v4a for enhancing the headphones sound, everything else remains as stock. Great phone, one of the best i've had.

I would never criticize someone who chooses apple products. I use both platforms (android for phones, and apple for tablets) and enjoy using each device... yes, I actually love my ipad. Without competition, android would have stagnated ages ago... the best thing for android is apple, and the best thing for apple is android (from the perspective of the consumer).
Given that, I don't really see a fault with nexus devices. They are the most well-rounded android device you can find.
For the average user, it gets updates like clockwork and has a MUCH cleaner interface than OEM skins. Samsung is the worst when it comes to software that seems really really rough around the edges, it seems like their developers each work on their own part without really communicating with each other. To top it off, keeping a nexus fully stock is a rock solid experience.
For tinkerers and geeks, it also shines as the Godzilla-size dev community on a nexus produces absolute gold, with some very unique tweaks that cant be found on any other device. The latest version of android with all the tools to do whatever you want with it is a devs/geeks dream device.
It amuses me when people criticize the nexus devices and their users... then turn around and complain when their year-behind version of android OTA is delayed, not up to date with nexus devices, and comes with enough bloat to fill a landfill...or complain about how their carrier fixed the exploit they used to get root.

Looked on the play store but can't figure out what V4a is.

Viper audio for Android isn't it?
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For me tablet = apple and phone is Android. Best of both world
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While i agree that rooting and getting everything how youd like does take some time and reading, using a toolkit it can all be accomplished within 15-20 minutes. However, stock android has gotten so good, that i wish Google would ask manufacturers to give us the option of running stock android out of the box. I had a n5, found a deal on an LG G2 so i returned the nexus. while the hardware on the G2 was amazing, the UI was fugly and slow. Rooted and on aosp, still wasnt as smooth as the N5, which brought me back.

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Looked on the play store but can't figure out what V4a is.
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Viper audio for Android isn't it?
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Yes it's viper4android and it enhances the sound to another level.

Galaxy Gear Live with Android Wear?

Since Samsung has had their Android Wear version of their Gear watches announced (and available for order today), what's the odds of that ROM being loaded on our Gear 1 devices? I, for one, have not gone to Tizen yet in hopes of this taking place and it seems like we are on the verge of this happening. I know it will not be an official release, but something where a rooted device would be needed.

I second ur hopes - held off on Tizen for the same reason

Whether or not Android Wear's better than Tizen all depends on which apps you use on your phone. Android Wear (like Google Now) is dependent on using Google's apps and services. Most of what Now reports off of is scraped from Gmail. I don't use Gmail or any Google apps I don't have to so Now and Android Wear are useless to me and those like me. Most corporate/professional users that use MS products, Exchange, and connect to secure networks (which typically limit apps used for personal use) aren't going to be Android Wear candidates.

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Since Samsung has had their Android Wear version of their Gear watches announced (and available for order today), what's the odds of that ROM being loaded on our Gear 1 devices? I, for one, have not gone to Tizen yet in hopes of this taking place and it seems like we are on the verge of this happening. I know it will not be an official release, but something where a rooted device would be needed.
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I'm sure it'll fit perfectly with gear 2. I see the .tar having the drivers for the watch it's a dependent of

I would be very interested in a Wear port too.
As far as I can see, not too many things have changed on the Gear live compaired to the Gear 1.
Sure, the CPU would be faster but the screen and memory size are the same.

Count me in as well, this is where xda shines.... people coming together to contribute to the common goal. Can't wait.
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How come every time someone starts a discussion inquiring about possible uses someone else feels the need to chime in why they don't need it? FYI-we don't give a rats ass about ur corporate structure-we want Android wear - go pontificate to ur secretary please

shamrock505 said:
How come every time someone starts a discussion inquiring about possible uses someone else feels the need to chime in why they don't need it? FYI-we don't give a rats ass about ur corporate structure-we want Android wear - go pontificate to ur secretary please
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I second this !!

shamrock505 said:
How come every time someone starts a discussion inquiring about possible uses someone else feels the need to chime in why they don't need it? FYI-we don't give a rats ass about ur corporate structure-we want Android wear - go pontificate to ur secretary please
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It's a discussion forum, no? Everyone here is a wearables early adopter so are interested in whatever comes next. And not everyone here uses their devices the same way or wants the same things. Other than blind fanbois who clearly have no objectivity, I enjoy hearing people's different views; even if I don't agree with them. Your post added less to this discussion than mine did. People wetting themselves over something no one here knows the functional value of (yet) is the height of fanboi-ism. Android Wear could change the world as we know it. It's going to take more than a five minute conference dog and pony for that to happen.

A discussion by folks who want wear not about discussing why someone doesn't need nor want-not a fan of any particular aspect - just bored with Gear 1-if motor 360 looks good I'll purchase, if not then wait a while

Does it only work with Samsung products, I have an invite for an one plus one I want to know if it'll work with the phone too?
Ian B

Available to buy on Play Store
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Available to buy on Play Store

I have been waiting for Android Wear to be released. I believe it would be a wonderful fit for the galaxy gear 1. Let's not forget the functionality of the gear 1 using the Null ROM....android based. Today's conference reiterated how coding would not be that much different for normal Android code. Sounds promising to me.
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From earlier discussions and threads I believe Android wear requires a 4.4 based Rom to operate. The Gear 1 Roms and Null Rom are 4.3 based. The real hurdle will be getting a 4.4 Rom on the Gear. The Devs and contributors on XDA are very talented so with this release of the Gear Live maybe they can accomplish it.
I am curious what the battery will be like on the Gear Live with the always on features of Android wear. The screen has to go into some type of low power mode for the 300mAh battery to last through a day. I also have a Qualcomm Toq that I picked up cheap on ebay, that uses a Mirasol Screen and only has a 240mAh battery. I get 4-5 days always on with it (even over night). The Toq has a tiny processor, runs a unique OS, and the colors are not vibrant, but it is a very capable demonstration smartwatch. I think there may be a future for more advanced Mirasol screens.
Anyway good to see some excitement over our Gear 1. I have enjoyed being an early adapter and experimenting with Null and Tizen on the watch. Maybe Android Wear is in our future.

I want to see this. I really need to get off of this touchwiz train. Wear works with any android at least 4.3.

Hey can someone help me unbrick my alcatel one touch evolve tmobile? I tried using adb and sdk but its not working correctly for some reason. It just says closed every time i try to execute a command... :/
Btw i bricked it by editing the build prop

Does watch styler app work w Gear live?
Ian. B

Good question. Though I think you are about 1 week too early.

bballengphd said:
Good question. Though I think you are about 1 week too early.
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I'm sure a quite a bit early haha, but it's a discussion that you'll see a lot of I'm sure.

SeauxCrazy said:
I'm sure a quite a bit early haha, but it's a discussion that you'll see a lot of I'm sure.
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Sorry i was refering to @Mr Ian B's question on watchstyler on Android Wear, didn't realize it could have applied to your original question in the OP. :cyclops:
Android wear was just announced yesterday, so it will probably be a while before devs can get their hands on a device, then another while before we see a port, only after that will we see if other features like watchstyler will be able to be ported onto android wear, should not be a major problem as both are of the same platform.
Personally I cannot wait to see a port of Android wear onto the gear1, I would like to see how my gear1 fares withe the screen on feature:laugh:

looking for a watch that is similar to apple watch 4!?

HI!!! this isn't probably the right place but not sure where else to ask. I am in the US and would like to have an android watch that has android apps & health apps I suppose.
I don't want to have my note 8 in hand all the time & it would be easier to have and respond to some notifications when the phone is away somewhere.
Oh & I am a female .
Can someone guide me please
thanks all!

psixichka said:
HI!!! this isn't probably the right place but not sure where else to ask. I am in the US and would like to have an android watch that has android apps & health apps I suppose.
I don't want to have my note 8 in hand all the time & it would be easier to have and respond to some notifications when the phone is away somewhere.
Oh & I am a female .
Can someone guide me please
thanks all!
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Ok, almost every smartwatch right now does the things you need, Health app and heart monitor, answer notifications and answer calls (paired with your phone), own apps.
Now, there are 3 major OS you can choose, android wear (wear OS), tizen and Apple watch.
Wear OS is not limited to one company, there are a lot of companies using it, like Huawei, LG, Fossil, Motorola, etc, the watches are highly compatible with any android phone and a lot of apps and faces (styles for your watch).
Tizen is the samsung exclusive OS for their smartwatch, is compatible with any android and iphone BUT only on Samsung phones you can have the full experience. Tizen has its own store and as Wear OS you can download apps, faces and use it as any other watch.
Apple Watch, compatible with iPhone and android BUT, only on iPhone you have all features.
GOOD.
Wear OS. Lots of companies with a wide choice, lots of apps and faces. You can use it with any android phone
Tizen. Great design for the OS, the bezel to navigate throw menus nobody has it, lot of apps (not as much as wear OS), faces. Can use it with any android phone but only on samsung you have the full experience, and is great.
Apple watch. lots of apps and support. and I dont know, I havent use any... sorry
CONS.
Wear OS, the battery life really sucks almost on all the model, One day TWO tops.
Tizen. Great battery life, minimum 3 days and 5-6 tops, the OS has been updating frequently, for example, the gear S3...
Apple watch, expensive, noy fully compatible with android
Personal opinion.
I've using Gear S3 from one year now and the battery life is great, 3-4 days using it every day to track my running, not using to sleep. All notifications on all the time, answering calls, etc etc and the best part is that I have it paired with my note 8 and I received two major updates. Is not expensive and also is the "woman" version, which is smaller and gold color.
here is a video that may help you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGvgBk9P1BQ

Wait for the Galaxy Watch Active 2, it will be the closest competitor to the Apple Watch Series 4 on the android side.

I have Huawei Watch GT best battery life.
Similar to Apple watch you can see Xiaomi Amazfit Bip

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Im so tired to read all the comment about bad things about this phone , i mean i personally doesnt habe the perfect phone , i came with some problems too but then i realize u will NEVER find this phone good enough when you only looking for it mistakes . Dude u should be happy own this phone , since the others can only dream for it . No phone is perfect ? You think iphone is better ? Or any other brand ? Well please use the others , and im sure you will do the same , you will found that all phones have their own problem , probably to make the phone perfect for you , you just have to accept what it is and be happy with it . Or buy a new phone that you consider better , and lets see did u complain too or no .
imo phone will get better in updates

As with everything else from phones to cars you'll only find people posting about the faults, you never get people posting about the good things. That's fine though.

Get better with updates?
You're in for some surprises.
Like a bad gf updates just keep giving

Well, tbh there's no such thing as perfect in this universe. Everything has flaws, flaws that make it unique.
Considering a phone, i believe, mobile companies tend to provide us with best of their hardware, however they do still lack behind when it comes to software. It may be appealing but it always lack certain features, tweaks, mods.
That is where custom roms comes in place.
We have Resurrection Remix - tweaking at it's extreme.
We have Lineage OS - stability at it's extreme.
For me, my perfect phone would be the flagship phone with a custom rom. What else you want huh? Consider Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G with Ressurection Remix, regardless of the fact that it has such a huge name XD.

I have bad delayed notification problems with my S21 Ultra.

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I have bad delayed notification problems with my S21 Ultra.
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Try disabling -all- power management... destroyer of worlds
Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is active.
Be careful what apps you limit background data to and -don't- allow background battery usage as well.
It's most likely a settings misconfiguration... play with it.

I share the same feelings with this post. I think that moaning without really looking for any solution is useless.

eleven.co said:
Well, tbh there's no such thing as perfect in this universe. Everything has flaws, flaws that make it unique.
Considering a phone, i believe, mobile companies tend to provide us with best of their hardware, however they do still lack behind when it comes to software. It may be appealing but it always lack certain features, tweaks, mods.
That is where custom roms comes in place.
We have Resurrection Remix - tweaking at it's extreme.
We have Lineage OS - stability at it's extreme.
For me, my perfect phone would be the flagship phone with a custom rom. What else you want huh? Consider Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G with Ressurection Remix, regardless of the fact that it has such a huge name XD.
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Where did you find ressurection and lineage for the s21? :O

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Where did you find ressurection and lineage for the s21? :O
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Lol, there aren't any atm. But, but. They will be in near future. So, you know, it will be really fun.

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Lol, there aren't any atm. But, but. They will be in near future. So, you know, it will be really fun.
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Yea for sure... Only sadly the cameras wouldn't function at their max potential... Which kinda makes the mentioned roms unnecessary. :/

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Yea for sure... Only sadly the cameras wouldn't function at their max potential... Which kinda makes the mentioned roms unnecessary. :/
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Yea. You are right. They should import the stock camera apps in those roms for that to work.

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Try disabling -all- power management... destroyer of worlds
Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is active.
Be careful what apps you limit background data to and -don't- allow background battery usage as well.
It's most likely a settings misconfiguration... play with it.
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Thanks, I've already done of this with no positive results at all.

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Thanks, I've already done of this with no positive results at all.
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Keep playing with it. Took me close to a year to fully sort out my Note 10+.
It runs extremely well now.

I have the perfect smartphone!
Does it have an SD card slot?
Yes!
Is it micro-SD format?
Yes
Does it support up to 1TB of SD memory?
Yes!
Does it support UFS 3.1?
Yes!
Is the SD slot on the bottom of the phone?
Yes! ... ?
Can the SD card be inserted face down?
No...? Why?
Doesn't sound perfect to me. My last phone before my last phone allowed you to insert the SD card upside down!
It's not the phones or the manufacturers, it's us!

Hi guys! I'm a new user of s21 Ultra. My last Android phone was LG G2.
I am using the Snapdragon version. The stock camera, the image it produce has too much contrast and doesn't seem natural to me. I am a hobbyist photographer so I could say what is good or what. And it isn't for me.
My version is up to date. All software update installed. Am i missing something here or it is what it is?

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Hi guys! I'm a new user of s21 Ultra. My last Android phone was LG G2.
I am using the Snapdragon version. The stock camera, the image it produce has too much contrast and doesn't seem natural to me. I am a hobbyist photographer so I could say what is good or what. And it isn't for me.
My version is up to date. All software update installed. Am i missing something here or it is what it is?
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Check your display settings>screen mode.
Not sure what your options are but the "natural" setting produces truer rendering.
The vivid mode looks way oversaturated.
You may have more options in Developer options but probably not.

blackhawk said:
Check your display settings>screen mode.
Not sure what your options are but the "natural" setting produces truer rendering.
The vivid mode looks way oversaturated.
You may have more options in Developer options but probably not.
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Hello, thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, i am only using the "Natural" option. There is just too much noise on the image even though there is enough light not to force the phone to use high ISO.

marshygeek said:
Hello, thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, i am only using the "Natural" option. There is just too much noise on the image even though there is enough light not to force the phone to use high ISO.
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Try resetting camera data and clearing system cache.
Any case or cover that could be interfering?
Otherwise it may be a firmware or hardware issue.

SOLUTION TO DELAYED-NOTIFICATIONS:
Enable USB debugging on the phone.
You just unzip the file provided here in your PC: https://www.xda-developers.com/install-adb-windows-macos-linux/
Navigate to it via terminal.
Then, after you connect the phone to your PC, run:
./adb devices
./adb shell dumpsys deviceidle disable
That'll fix it for sure.
I simply cannot recommend Android to my normie friends and family.
Let me restate this: It is not our job to fix Google's bugs.
This is a US-centric view.
If you can't tell: I am a bit aggravated right now.
I could not get my GMail, GCal, and other notifications to come through properly on Pixel 5's Android 11 OR S21 Ultra's Android 11.
This has apparently been an issue that many an Android user suffers through silently -- and, some don't even know that this is happening to them. I guess they're embarrassed to publicly state that their mobile OS is subpar.
When you get an e-mail or if a calendar event reminder is coming up, and even if your phone's screen is OFF/locked: you should get an *instant* notification. No delay whatsoever.
Well, if my screen was off/locked, I wouldn't get these notifications or it would take 10+ minutes to show. But, once I unlocked my phone: boom, notifications. And, sometimes even if my screen wasn't locked, there would be a serious delay or no notification.
After spending loads of time trying to fix this problem, me and my friend finally stumbled upon a solution: ./adb shell dumpsys deviceidle disable
A reboot eliminates this setting modification, by the way.
Do not tell me that instant e-mail notifications are not necessary. Many of us work jobs that require them to be instant.
No end user should ever have to go through this. iPhone users certainly don't go through this.
If Google doesn't care about Android users, then, why should I, as an Android user, care about Android too? Just switch to iPhone, I guess.
Google pays Apple $10bn+ every year and makes better software for iOS than it does for Android.
Just look at the damn widgets that iOS users get.
So, $10bn/year plus the cost of the software developed to cater to iOS users.
This makes Google a simp cuck to Apple, nothing else.
Would Apple ever return this favor? No.
Therefore, Google management is a simp cucked by Apple, nothing more.
We are fools to be using this OS.
If Google is willing to subsidize my iOS software updates and experience to the tune of billions of dollars every single year -- then, why not just switch?
Clearly, my experience has shown me that Android can be cheaper -- if I don't value my time.
Statistic after statistic bears it out: iPhone users are wealthier.
I am tired of being an Android luser -- why should I take on such abuse and neglect by the main author of my mobile OS?
Before you start patronizing me: YES, I tried every other bloody trick in the book to fix this issue.
No end user should ever have to go through this! No end user should have to run adb commands to enable basic functionality.
There are some basic things that modern smartphones should just be able to do: instant notifications, 3rd party camera support, functioning RCS or some other form of E2EE messaging built-in, reliable local backups, a nationwide network of repair facilities, etc.
Android fails on all of these.
iPhone ordered. Glad to leave this Android ghetto behind.
Hey Google, if you have some self-respect: then, instead of paying Apple $10bn an year and doing iOS development, how about you actually work on some basic Android functionality instead?

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I simply cannot recommend Android to my normie friends and family.
No end user should ever have to go through this! No end user should have to run adb commands to enable basic functionality.
There are some basic things that modern smartphones should just be able to do: instant notifications, 3rd party camera support, functioning RCS or some other form of E2EE messaging built-in, reliable local backups, a nationwide network of repair facilities, etc.
Android fails on all of these.
iPhone ordered. Glad to leave this Android ghetto behind.
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Wish you all the best, and a happy life with your new iPhone. Life is short and there's no point putting up with what you hate.
I can see you're really upset about a lot of stuff on Android. You do make some very valid points about what's broken in Android. And I guess any of those can trigger a person ebough to make them switch to iOS. But I think it also has something to do with the user's requirement and not the OS alone. If there was just one "best" OS, nobody would spend more than a thousand dollars on an alternative. It's good to have a choice, and in your case, I'm glad you've exercised that in favor of what you think with add more value to your life.
I've had both iPhones and Android phones for years and both of them offer 90% of the same functions that you'd expect from a good smartphone. The remaining 10% is where you have to make a choice. There are many things to choose from: stability vs experimental features, customisation vs familiarity, update cycle, longevity, resale value, tinker-ability (I know that's not a word ), app support (there are some apps that only support one or the other OS), and the list goes on.
My childhood friend and me bought matching MacBook Pros when we jumped ship into the Apple ecosystem with an iPhone and an iPad. We were "sick" of android, and wanted a taste of the premium life that the fruit promised to offer. Five years on, he still uses all his Apple gadgets and has added a homepod, an apple watch and airpods to his growing apple inventory, whilst upgrading the the latest idevices every two years. Me on the other hand, went from MacOS to a bootcamped Windows installation after a year of purchase and don't even boot into MacOS unless I have to use Final Cut Pro. My workflow goes best with Windows, no matter how good MacOS may be. On the other hand, his doesn't - he's completely iin love with the Apple way, and that's fine.
Same with iOS. I kept the iPhone for 2 years before trading it in for a OnePlus because I hated being told that there was a "correct" way of doing something and only that way was allowed. I couldn't live with an OS that denied me access to my device's filesystem! That, in my opinion is a basic requirement - but this may not be the case for everyone. I like a robust notification system and I've found the Android implementation head and shoulders above what Apple offers. I like third party app stores and the ability to sideload apps on my phone. I can't get that on iOS. And the best part - if I don't like something on Android, it's possible I can fix it with some workaround (like the one you posted). I agree with you that no end user should have to do that, but regardless, it can be done if you want to. No such possibility exists on the other side of the fence. So I chose to live with the shortcomings of Android as opposed to the shortcomings of iOS - simply becasuse the former were more acceptable to me than the latter, not because Android is better or worse that iOS. It just offers me what "I" want in a mobile operating system.
It may be the opposite in the next person's case - someone who values the other side of the equation more, like yourself. That's why it's good to have a choice.
But i sincerely believe that it's not so bad on the Android side of things. It is a very versatile and stable operating system offering a lot of flexibility and customisability on par with a full fleged desktop class operating system. In the end, it boils down to a blend of the OS and the user, not either one in isolation.
I wish you the best with your new device. They are arguably beautiful pieces of technology. Have fun!
Hope to see you back on XDA in the future.