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Should I buy Z1 now?

Hi guys,
I was wondering if you can help me with a decision. I was planning to buy One plus One but realised that they don't have band 20 which means very limited/no LTE coverage in UK and I don't want to own a phone in 2014 which won't support 4G.
I am not keen on spending a lot of money on Z2 and I can get used Xperia Z1 in the range of 200-230 and was wondering if it would be a good choice?
Do you think for that price Xperia Z1 is a good phone and can be bought amongst other big guys? I mean it still has SD800 and 2GB RAM!!
Appreciate your help!
Thanks

Z2 is only a viable upgrade from Z1 if you want the better screen and speakers. The SD800 still kicks ass
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invinciblervd said:
Hi guys,
I was wondering if you can help me with a decision. I was planning to buy One plus One but realised that they don't have band 20 which means very limited/no LTE coverage in UK and I don't want to own a phone in 2014 which won't support 4G.
I am not keen on spending a lot of money on Z2 and I can get used Xperia Z1 in the range of 200-230 and was wondering if it would be a good choice?
Do you think for that price Xperia Z1 is a good phone and can be bought amongst other big guys? I mean it still has SD800 and 2GB RAM!!
Appreciate your help!
Thanks
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The Z1 is a great phone. One of the best phones currently on the market, even with its successor already on the stores. It's not a match for the Z2/S5/G3/M8, of course; but it's not outdated like the Galaxy S3 was in June/2013. I plan on keeping my Z1 for the rest of the year, and maybe upgrade when the Z4 shows up.
Qualcomm and the other mobile CPU manufacturers were on a very quick escalation of CPU power on the last few years. You had a huge jump every year, so last year's phones were severely outclassed when the new models came up. This has slowed down quite a bit since last year. The Snapdragon 801 on this year's phones is just a bit faster than the 800 on the Z1, which is not that much faster than the Snapdragon 600, which is just a bit faster than the Snapdragon S4 Pro from October 2012. In other words, except for the screen and speakers, the Z2 is just a small overclock ahead of the Z1. For a low price, it's a bargain (here in Brazil it still costs the equivalent to about US$450,00).

Steve_max said:
The Z1 is a great phone. One of the best phones currently on the market, even with its successor already on the stores. It's not a match for the Z2/S5/G3/M8, of course; but it's not outdated like the Galaxy S3 was in June/2013. I plan on keeping my Z1 for the rest of the year, and maybe upgrade when the Z4 shows up.
Qualcomm and the other mobile CPU manufacturers were on a very quick escalation of CPU power on the last few years. You had a huge jump every year, so last year's phones were severely outclassed when the new models came up. This has slowed down quite a bit since last year. The Snapdragon 801 on this year's phones is just a bit faster than the 800 on the Z1, which is not that much faster than the Snapdragon 600, which is just a bit faster than the Snapdragon S4 Pro from October 2012. In other words, except for the screen and speakers, the Z2 is just a small overclock ahead of the Z1. For a low price, it's a bargain (here in Brazil it still costs the equivalent to about US$450,00).
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The gpu went from 450 to 578 mhz. This is the biggest difference. Also because android is getting graphically more intense, slowly but surely.

I got my Z1 last saturday, so...HELL YEAH!

I'd still get the one plus one. Had the z1 for a while. If I was to choose what's currently available it'd be the HTC m8 then the z2. But the one plus one is worth the wait.
FYI, EE uses bands 3 and 7 which I'm assuming that the one plus works on, if not then I'll be skipping it myself. Still need to research this so thanks for the heads up, I'd missed that. Cheers m8
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No point in even talking about the Oneplus One, it is currently "vapourware". They haven't made more than a small batch and those are not going to be sold internationally. Hopefully, over time the Oneplus phones manufacturing will catch up with its overhyped marketing.
After much deliberation and hands-on investigating of all the competition, I got a Z1 recently (picked it up for 250, brand new in unopened box). The Z2 has better battery and the GPU is better but disappointingly the screen isn't that much better. The HTC M8 is amazing unless you intend to use the rear camera which is pants. The Galaxy S5, while packed with features, feels like most high end Samsungs cheap and plasticy. The HTC E8 looks to be worth waiting for as does the LG G3.
Apart from battery life, I am happy I got the Z1. The build quality, the camera, the fantastic work XDA devs have done and the UI experience go a long way.

dladz said:
I'd still get the one plus one. Had the z1 for a while. If I was to choose what's currently available it'd be the HTC m8 then the z2. But the one plus one is worth the wait.
FYI, EE uses bands 3 and 7 which I'm assuming that the one plus works on, if not then I'll be skipping it myself. Still need to research this so thanks for the heads up, I'd missed that. Cheers m8
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Thanks. I was following 1+1 since the beginning and was all set to buy it and was thinking to use it on 3G. But after recent upgrade to 4G and using it for couple of months, I know it's going to be difficult to switch back to 3G just because you are getting a good phone.
EE are good but on the expensive side even for a sim only deal and the LTE-A they are working on will soon be on 800 MHz and band 20. I just don't want to buy a phone which in theory will be unlocked but would still in a way be locked to EE.

gandalf_grey91 said:
No point in even talking about the Oneplus One, it is currently "vapourware". They haven't made more than a small batch and those are not going to be sold internationally. Hopefully, over time the Oneplus phones manufacturing will catch up with its overhyped marketing.
After much deliberation and hands-on investigating of all the competition, I got a Z1 recently (picked it up for 250, brand new in unopened box). The Z2 has better battery and the GPU is better but disappointingly the screen isn't that much better. The HTC M8 is amazing unless you intend to use the rear camera which is pants. The Galaxy S5, while packed with features, feels like most high end Samsungs cheap and plasticy. The HTC E8 looks to be worth waiting for as does the LG G3.
Apart from battery life, I am happy I got the Z1. The build quality, the camera, the fantastic work XDA devs have done and the UI experience go a long way.
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250 is a a really good price for a brand new phone. May I ask where did you get this deal? (ebay?) Thought the battery is really massive for Z1? 2800ma?
I agree about the xda devs, but its hard to get a fully unlocked phone. If someone has bought it via carrier and got it unlocked, it will still have bootloader unlock allowed = No.

invinciblervd said:
250 is a a really good price for a brand new phone. May I ask where did you get this deal? (ebay?) Thought the battery is really massive for Z1? 2800ma?
I agree about the xda devs, but its hard to get a fully unlocked phone. If someone has bought it via carrier and got it unlocked, it will still have bootloader unlock allowed = No.
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In all honesty, including postage, it came in a little over 260, and yes, it was aquired from a popular auction site. Battery is good and I get about 3 days of moderate use but it has a strange quirk in that it loses 10 - 12% of battery in first 5 minutes of being turned on. Never had a phone that does that before. After that initial battery drain it settles down and lasts, as I said, quite well.
My Z1 is fully unlocked. I bought a couple of Xperia SPs for the parents soon after they were released and it was difficult to get fully (SIM and bootloader) unlocked models. But, especially, with carrier supplied models, as time goes on they simply replenish stock from what sony have available (in channel) rather than insisting on the locked bootloader models that are part of the initial deal the companies sign before the device is released. Same goes for phones supplied via insurance companies, usually the more time that passes after release the more likely you are to be supplied a sim-free fully unlocked model (although some insurance companies have deals to buy/supply refurbished models which means read the policy carefully).
For the same money, I considered a Galaxy S4 but having held it and tried it, I could not part with the money for such a cheap and plasticy POS. Seriously, even cheap end ZTE and Huawei phones feel better made than "flagship" samsungs. If HTC had included removable battery, SD card slots and a better camera on both M7 and M8 for the last 2 years, samsung would have sold half as many Galaxy S models.

saintgein said:
The gpu went from 450 to 578 mhz. This is the biggest difference. Also because android is getting graphically more intense, slowly but surely.
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Remember that you can overclock the Z1 GPU to 533 MHz, so that is a <10% difference. Overclocking both CPU and GPU, the Z1's 800 (2.4GHz/533MHz) is very comparable with the Z2's 801AB (2.3GHz/578MHz) and within striking distance from the S5's 801AC (2.5GHz/578MHz). No idea on how those overclock, though.

Steve_max said:
Remember that you can overclock the Z1 GPU to 533 MHz, so that is a <10% difference. Overclocking both CPU and GPU, the Z1's 800 (2.4GHz/533MHz) is very comparable with the Z2's 801AB (2.3GHz/578MHz) and within striking distance from the S5's 801AC (2.5GHz/578MHz). No idea on how those overclock, though.
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When you say "you can overclock the Z1", you mean if you unlock bootloader, lose bravia engine / drm keys and install a custom kernel.

gandalf_grey91 said:
When you say "you can overclock the Z1", you mean if you unlock bootloader, lose bravia engine / drm keys and install a custom kernel.
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Yes, but why would you not unlock the bootloader? You can backup the TA partition and just restore it if needed, and everything just works without the DRM keys (if you believe you lost something, restore TA, install stock kernel, and you're back to stock). This is a development forum; I assume people here are willing to modify their devices to extract the maximum from them (in speed, battery life, whatever).

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Yes, but why would you not unlock the bootloader?
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I would have thought that was obvious. Unlocking the bootloader on my old Motorolas or HTCs provided more function and in the case of the HTCs made things better with custom Hboots. But the current crop of Sony's use the bravia engine to enhance the screen which is an integral part of the user experience and unlocking the bootloader disables it. Yes, by backing up the TA partition it is possible to revert back if the bootloader has been unlocked. But, unlike some other phones, with Sony phones the users can only choose to either unlock the bootloader to flash non-stock ROMs and custom kernels and lose the Bravia engine or leave the bootloader locked with working bravia engine but never gain the ability to flash AOSP ROMs. You can't have both because of that pesky TA partition. Because the Sony stock ROM experience is so good and thanks to the fantastic work some devs have done on modules for the Xposed framework, some designed especially for Xperia phones, Sony users have 2 strong choices.

I unlocked my bootloader and x-reality (bravia engine) and BIONZ are still working flawlessly.

gandalf_grey91 said:
I would have thought that was obvious. Unlocking the bootloader on my old Motorolas or HTCs provided more function and in the case of the HTCs made things better with custom Hboots. But the current crop of Sony's use the bravia engine to enhance the screen which is an integral part of the user experience and unlocking the bootloader disables it. Yes, by backing up the TA partition it is possible to revert back if the bootloader has been unlocked. But, unlike some other phones, with Sony phones the users can only choose to either unlock the bootloader to flash non-stock ROMs and custom kernels and lose the Bravia engine or leave the bootloader locked with working bravia engine but never gain the ability to flash AOSP ROMs. You can't have both because of that pesky TA partition. Because the Sony stock ROM experience is so good and thanks to the fantastic work some devs have done on modules for the Xposed framework, some designed especially for Xperia phones, Sony users have 2 strong choices.
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I dislike the idea of special postprocessing on images on the screen. The X-Realty engine is that: some processing on your pictures/movies when the phone shows them on its own screen. They won't appear like that on your computer, or when you share the picture with anyone, out when you print them. It is a fake improvement, and I prefer to keep it disabled.
Anyway, AFAIK there are ways to make that work on UB. Never tried, but this is said to work well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2635986

You are right, I don't like it either, any thing that only affects the devices own screen is a fake improvement. But thank you for including the link, I didn't know I had the option to unlock the bootloader and keep the bravia engine/x-reality.

[Q] Xperia SP or Moto G?

I'm gonna get a new phone soon and im deciding between SP or Moto G. Rom development is very important to me aswell as a bit of hardware. I just want a phone who is ready for Android L. Is xperia SP ready for android L? Does it have many active developers?
I know, rom wise, Moto G has a upper hand but the problem is that Moto G doesnt have a sd card slot and 8 gb (Only 8) is not enough for me.
Which one should I pick
Thanks~
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You already mentioned that 8 GB isn't big enough for you, then why would you even consider the Moto G?
Furthermore, I'm sure the Xperia SP will be able to run Android L hardware-wise.
Question is, will there still be devs around to port Android L to Xperia SP?
I guess there will be some, but don't expect numerous ROMs to choose from.

I'm a ROM junkie and I change ROMs once a week.
By the looks of the ROM development of SP, it doesn't look like it has a lot of 4.4 KitKat and that means it will be late to get Android L.
If you were in my place, Would you go for hardware and have less ROM support or would you rather have a phone with great ROM support but with minimum specs (Moto G)?
Thanks

ClarkOwen said:
I'm a ROM junkie and I change ROMs once a week.
By the looks of the ROM development of SP, it doesn't look like it has a lot of 4.4 KitKat and that means it will be late to get Android L.
If you were in my place, Would you go for hardware and have less ROM support or would you rather have a phone with great ROM support but with minimum specs (Moto G)?
Thanks
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Hi ClarkOwen,
I've been a ROM Junkie like you once until i took an arrow to the knee but I've come to terms that its not always about the ROMs that make a device good. It will always come to the hardware specs that a device has to allow devs to decide whether to develop another android version. Personally for me it is always wise to get a phone with better hardware as it will most likely have more developers who are actively developing for the ROM. I rather you stick with the Xperia SP although the Moto G is also quite a good option.

ClarkOwen said:
I'm a ROM junkie and I change ROMs once a week.
By the looks of the ROM development of SP, it doesn't look like it has a lot of 4.4 KitKat and that means it will be late to get Android L.
If you were in my place, Would you go for hardware and have less ROM support or would you rather have a phone with great ROM support but with minimum specs (Moto G)?
Thanks
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I'd obviously go for the better hardware, the xsp doesn't have too much roms but they are being updated frequently and we even got cm11 roms to work on locked bootloader with the stock kernel! also the only bug in these roms is that the rear mic doesn't work

OK. I have both phones as here is what I have to say.
Moto G looks better (personal opinion, I have both white and red back shells).
Moto G is way more durable. Like not even close. I can drop my Moto G and not ever care...
Both displays are good but moto G has more saturated colors, while Xperia SP has better accuracy and sometimes Moto G tends to overexpose the colors close to blue which is annoying cause white looks pinkish. I prefer Xperia SP with Bravia Engine 2.
Multitasking on both phone is the same, cause they are both stupidly fast. That said Xperia loads apps faster cause it has 1.7Ghz against 1.2Ghz on MotoG and most (99.9%) of the apps are not multi-thread optimized.
In games Xperia beasts the **** out of Moto G with it's Adreno320 vs Adreno305 on MotoG. In OpenGL 2 benchmark I get 35fps avarage with 40fps max, while MotoG gets 26fps avarage, with 31fps max.
AnTuTu shows the same. 25209 score for Xperia SP, 19781 for Moto G.
In terms of software Moto G rapes Xperia SP hard time. Everything just plain works on MotoG, while XperiaSP has some software bugs, most of them are fixed by now, but we still need a few more software updates from Sony for all of them to be fixed.
Moto G is getting Android L, while we're not even sure if we're getting KitKat. But on the other hand we have XDA so you will have Android L on both devices anyway. Maybe even with Bravia Engine 2.
Xperia SP has LTE and SD card slot, while MotoG's LTE version with the SD Card slot is more expensive.
Conclusion.
Durability - MotoG by far
Display - XperiaSP
Hardware/Games - XperiaSP by far
Software - MotoG (if you're not planing on putting custom ROM)
So, I bought my MotoG cause I'm a diehard Motorola fan and the phone was awesome, but it had only 8GB of storage (you can use only 5GB), so I decided to buy 2nd phone for media, etc. But since I got my XperiaSP (like 2 weeks ago) it became my main phone, I love it and I don't regret buying it a bit. I even plan to give my MotoG to my nephew when he starts school this year. That said they're both great devices and you will be more than happy with any of them, as long as you go with at less 16GB version.
Hope I helped!

Oh wow, thank you so much for answering, all of you.
It seems like hardware is still a priority and I almost forgot about it as I am so into ROMS.
Even so, Moto G for me is a big difference because I am coming from HTC One S with andreno 220 and 1.7ghz S3 processor (C2 version) but yes, the internal memory is still important.
Thanks to your responses, I will hold back from buying moto g for now and save some more cash to get the Xperia SP.
Thank you so much and God bless you for helping me )

ClarkOwen said:
Oh wow, thank you so much for answering, all of you.
It seems like hardware is still a priority and I almost forgot about it as I am so into ROMS.
Even so, Moto G for me is a big difference because I am coming from HTC One S with andreno 220 and 1.7ghz S3 processor (C2 version) but yes, the internal memory is still important.
Thanks to your responses, I will hold back from buying moto g for now and save some more cash to get the Xperia SP.
Thank you so much and God bless you for helping me )
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I'm not really sure where you live but Moto G 16GB is 199€ in my country, while I bought my XperiaSP for 159€. Maybe you wanna check Amazon and see what's the shipping cost to your country.
But yeah, I will wait and buy XperiaSP aswell, even if it's a little bit more expensive.

Now the thing is, would it be a great idea to move from HTC One S to Motorola G? Is it an upgrade or downgrade? Especially when it comes to camera and internal.

ClarkOwen said:
Now the thing is, would it be a great idea to move from HTC One S to Motorola G? Is it an upgrade or downgrade? Especially when it comes to camera and internal.
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Here is the camera test from the 3 phones.
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=4574&idPhone2=5364&idPhone3=5831
I'd say that in terms of camera the 3 phones are equal. They do the job but it's nothing special. I can't make a difference between a picture taken with my MotoG and XperiaSP if I don't check the Megapixels. Outside you get really good pictures, while inside they are average. And from what I can see the HTC One S is in the exact same boat.
In terms of specs I don't think that MotoG will be much faster than HTC OneS, cause HTC still has good processor, while when it comes to GPU HTC has lower resolution, so it has to push less pixels with it's Adreno 225 against 720p with Adreno 305. I expect them to have close fps in games and benchmarks.
If you want an honest advice, here is what I'm going to do if I were you. I will go check for how much I can sell my HTC, if it covers half the price of my XperiaSP I will sell it and buy XperiaSP, just because it has better hardware (display, CPU, GPU) and it looks better than HTC OneS. If not just stick with the HTC.
Oh and battery. Motorola's battery is OK, but it can't last more than two days no matter what cause I use my phone ALOT. While XperiaSP I can handle two days of heavy use no problem, and I've seen people with 7 days of battery in stamina mode. When I go to sleep and put my Xperia in stamina mode it drops like 2% for 8 hours, it's insane!
So yeah. Basically do the math for yourself. See if your pocket can handle it and if "yes" go buy XperiaSP. The phone won't get much cheaper cause it's last year "mid-range" phone (it has the same hardware as Moto X which is last year "flagship" device like wtf?) which is better than this year "mid-range" phones.

ClarkOwen said:
I'm a ROM junkie and I change ROMs once a week.
By the looks of the ROM development of SP, it doesn't look like it has a lot of 4.4 KitKat and that means it will be late to get Android L.
If you were in my place, Would you go for hardware and have less ROM support or would you rather have a phone with great ROM support but with minimum specs (Moto G)?
Thanks
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I change ROMs every day,and am using the SP with joy.Sony is pooping on us ATM when it comes to the 4.4 update(i think we will get it tho),
but there is a 90% Xperia z2 port based on cm11,cm11,pa and pac for locked bootloaders,which is awesome.

Nah, Moto G is too underpowered for me...I mean seriously Quad 1.2? My XSP runs 1.7 and my Z1C runs on 2.2Ghz :/
I recommend SP, Moto G is an entry-level phone, built out of cheap plastic unlike SP's Aluminum body, Simply put SP can withstand day to day usage more than the other ( I don't mean Drop tests here, please use your brains )

Wait for Moto G2. Better specs at almost similar price. Releasing on september 5th. It might also have a sd card slot.
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Revontheus said:
Nah, Moto G is too underpowered for me...I mean seriously Quad 1.2? My XSP runs 1.7 and my Z1C runs on 2.2Ghz :/
I recommend SP, Moto G is an entry-level phone, built out of cheap plastic unlike SP's Aluminum body, Simply put SP can withstand day to day usage more than the other ( I don't mean Drop tests here, please use your brains )
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Get your facts straight. Moto G runs on a Quad core processor while Xperia SP runs on a dual core processor. So Moto G isnt underpowered in any way, infact its much smoother and lag free compared to my xperia sp. I own both Moto G and Xperia SP and in my opinion, Moto G is a better deal. Although I would suggest OP to wait for the upcoming Moto G2.

Cortex A7 or A9 < XSP Krait 300
Like other phones based on Snapdragon 400,200

Revontheus said:
Nah, Moto G is too underpowered for me...I mean seriously Quad 1.2? My XSP runs 1.7 and my Z1C runs on 2.2Ghz :/
I recommend SP, Moto G is an entry-level phone, built out of cheap plastic unlike SP's Aluminum body, Simply put SP can withstand day to day usage more than the other ( I don't mean Drop tests here, please use your brains )
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Cortex A7 or A9 < XSP Krait 300
Like other phones based on Snapdragon 400,200
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Stop fanboying. I have both and yes, SP is a bit faster but you cant actually feel it. The difference is when you play games, SP is way better in games.
About the build quality, MotoG is miles ahead of XperiaSP, like not even close! It looks and feels durable and it actually is. It has water resistance and Gorilla Glass 3.
Just call facts with their names, or if you're not sure then don't tell lies.

eSu.Matix said:
Stop fanboying. I have both and yes, SP is a bit faster but you cant actually feel it. The difference is when you play games, SP is way better in games.
About the build quality, MotoG is miles ahead of XperiaSP, like not even close! It looks and feels durable and it actually is. It has water resistance and Gorilla Glass 3.
Just call facts with their names, or if you're not sure then don't tell lies.
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I myself also own a moto G and I understand where youre coming from but we sometimes have to look at all the other factors that come into play to make a decision. Heres my list;
MotoG;
-Durable for a longer period of time with resistance to almost everything most phones are vulnerable to such as water
-Running a decent processor for day to day use
-Battery life is a tad more than xsp
-Supported by Google
-Rom development may still continue despite hardware of MotoG
-Camera is on par at some points in time with the xsp
-Okish storage
Xperia SP
-Not as much protection
-Feels strong
-Better hardware specs
-Gaming oriented
-Decent battery life
-May get Rom development in the future due to specs
-Expandable storage
Thats all I think abt the xsp and moto g so yeah

Furrydaus said:
I myself also own a moto G and I understand where youre coming from but we sometimes have to look at all the other factors that come into play to make a decision. Heres my list;
MotoG;
-Durable for a longer period of time with resistance to almost everything most phones are vulnerable to such as water
-Running a decent processor for day to day use
-Battery life is a tad more than xsp
-Supported by Google
-Rom development may still continue despite hardware of MotoG
-Camera is on par at some points in time with the xsp
-Okish storage
Xperia SP
-Not as much protection
-Feels strong
-Better hardware specs
-Gaming oriented
-Decent battery life
-May get Rom development in the future due to specs
-Expandable storage
Thats all I think abt the xsp and moto g so yeah
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You just said, what I said in my first two posts at page one..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54939790&postcount=6
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54940368&postcount=10

Moto g por todo

Moto G of course.
Por medio de Tapatalk en el bicharraco XT1032

Why are you telling that Xperia SP has better display?
SP has an old TFT screen and in the meanwhile Moto G has better ISP screen.
I think, Moto G is more supported and also plays smooth every strong games.
Moto G is an awesome choice with 16GB version.
I have a Moto G anyway.

Verizon Phone Upgrade: LG G4 or Nexus 6?

Hello all,
I have an upgrade to use with Verizon. Currently on the S5 and can't stand the fact there's no development cause of locked BS Samsung crap. Just wondering if I should get an "older" phone like the N6 or try out the G4 (they tend to get unlocked within a couple months). Want to get away form Touchjizz and Sammy thanks to Verizon. Any comments would be appreciated!

I recently purchased the Nexus 6 on Verizon and I'm extremely happy. I also have an active Note 4 and now never use it. I'm having so much fun flashing ROMs and customizing the device (wood back covers, etc) that being 6 months old doesnt bother me. I'll wait for the next Nexus before upgrading again.
Also, this is the only device that I've purchased from Verizon that came with ZERO bloat. Literally nothing. Even AT&T crapped that up. It doesn't make great use of Verizon's Advanced Calling feature (native video calling) but who cares. VoLTE works.

Obviously get the G4. Nexus devices have subpar battery life

dicecuber said:
Obviously get the note 4. Nexus devices have subpar battery life
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Dude, i have almost never seen a postive comment of you about phones in multiple forums. Why do you always endup with the wrong phones and do you even have a Nexus 6?
That said both devices are awesome but very different. The G4 has a swapable battery, external sd card support up to 2TB, a superb camera wich some find even better then that of the Galaxy S6 and a gorgeous screen. Batterylife will be a bit better than de N6`s but the N6 is a developer phone with many choices of roms, kernels, and mods too choose from. The Nexus 6 has a good screen but in full sunlight sometimes not very clear, the speakers are great, its superfluid with no lags and in daily use a very good phone to use and it kind of grows on you
I recommend the 64GB version as there is no sdcard slot and the battery is not swapable and the speakers are very good imo.
So both have things going for them, best is to play with both in real life in a shop if you can and see wich one feels best for you.

@gee2012, am I lying about the battery life?
Nexus are great besides that and the camera

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@gee2012, am I lying about the battery life?
Nexus are great besides that and the camera
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I never call other users liars bro, i just noticed your name and it reminded me of the negative comments you used to post about the last years N5 i believe. But enough about that, the batttery gets me through the day and have about 4-4,5 hrs. screenontime wich is sufficient for me. Its not Note 4 and certainly not Ascend Mate 7 figures but enough for me It varies depending on settings and usage per user. The camera shoots pretty descent shots with sufficient light and lowlight with HDR+ isn`t bad either for me, but again not Galaxy S6 or even LG G3 quality.

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Hello all,
I have an upgrade to use with Verizon. Currently on the S5 and can't stand the fact there's no development cause of locked BS Samsung crap. Just wondering if I should get an "older" phone like the N6 or try out the G4 (they tend to get unlocked within a couple months). Want to get away form Touchjizz and Sammy thanks to Verizon. Any comments would be appreciated!
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It depends whats important to you. The newest hardware of the lg g4 or the openness of the nexus 6 software. Most devices by today's standards do not lag or show much stuttering when doing basic tasks such as texting, emailing,calling, surfing the internet, etc. It comes down to what you plan on doing with the phone. Will gaming be an option? Are you looking for a top of the line Camera? Once you figure that out, the choice becomes clear.

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It depends whats important to you. The newest hardware of the lg g4 or the openness of the nexus 6 software. Most devices by today's standards do not lag or show much stuttering when doing basic tasks such as texting, emailing,calling, surfing the internet, etc. It comes down to what you plan on doing with the phone. Will gaming be an option? Are you looking for a top of the line Camera? Once you figure that out, the choice becomes clear.
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I think that lag is actually a very underrated issue with devices today. The G3 definitely lagged, and my S5 lagged horribly. Even the Note 4 isn't completely lag-free. However it does seem that reviewers haven't noticed any stutter in the G4, which is a good sign.
OP, one other thing to be aware of is that while the CPU in the 808 found in the G4 edges out the 805 found in the Nexus 6 the GPU in the 808 is significantly weaker than that of the 805. Otherwise I'm sure the G4 will be a great device. The camera will certainly be better than the N6's, and battery life should be comparable.

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I think that lag is actually a very underrated issue with devices today. The G3 definitely lagged, and my S5 lagged horribly. Even the Note 4 isn't completely lag-free. However it does seem that reviewers haven't noticed any stutter in the G4, which is a good sign.
OP, one other thing to be aware of is that while the CPU in the 808 found in the G4 edges out the 805 found in the Nexus 6 the GPU in the 808 is significantly weaker than that of the 805. Otherwise I'm sure the G4 will be a great device. The camera will certainly be better than the N6's, and battery life should be comparable.
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Can you link any websites showing the adreno 418 being worse than the 420? I did some fast googling and although there's not a lot of info it seems the 418 is as powerful as the 420 if not slightly more edging it out and is also made on a smaller die 20nm vs 28nm.

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Can you link any websites showing the adreno 418 being worse than the 420? I did some fast googling and although there's not a lot of info it seems the 418 is as powerful as the 420 if not slightly more edging it out and is also made on a smaller die 20nm vs 28nm.
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From Anandtech: "In terms of graphics performance, the Adreno 418 is apparently 20% faster than the Adreno 330...and the Adreno 420 itself is something like 40% faster than Adreno 330"
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7925/...bit-socs-with-lte-category-67-support-in-2015

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From Anandtech: "In terms of graphics performance, the Adreno 418 is apparently 20% faster than the Adreno 330...and the Adreno 420 itself is something like 40% faster than Adreno 330"
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7925/...bit-socs-with-lte-category-67-support-in-2015
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Ahh I kept googling adreno 420 vs 418. I should been looking at 418 vs 330. Thank you for this!

gee2012 said:
I never call other users liars bro, i just noticed your name and it reminded me of the negative comments you used to post about the last years N5 i believe. But enough about that, the batttery gets me through the day and have about 4-4,5 hrs. screenontime wich is sufficient for me. Its not Note 4 and certainly not Ascend Mate 7 figures but enough for me It varies depending on settings and usage per user. The camera shoots pretty descent shots with sufficient light and lowlight with HDR+ isn`t bad either for me, but again not Galaxy S6 or even LG G3 quality.
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It depends whats important to you. The newest hardware of the lg g4 or the openness of the nexus 6 software. Most devices by today's standards do not lag or show much stuttering when doing basic tasks such as texting, emailing,calling, surfing the internet, etc. It comes down to what you plan on doing with the phone. Will gaming be an option? Are you looking for a top of the line Camera? Once you figure that out, the choice becomes clear.
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semperfi123 said:
I think that lag is actually a very underrated issue with devices today. The G3 definitely lagged, and my S5 lagged horribly. Even the Note 4 isn't completely lag-free. However it does seem that reviewers haven't noticed any stutter in the G4, which is a good sign.
OP, one other thing to be aware of is that while the CPU in the 808 found in the G4 edges out the 805 found in the Nexus 6 the GPU in the 808 is significantly weaker than that of the 805. Otherwise I'm sure the G4 will be a great device. The camera will certainly be better than the N6's, and battery life should be comparable.
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Ed Murray said:
I recently purchased the Nexus 6 on Verizon and I'm extremely happy. I also have an active Note 4 and now never use it. I'm having so much fun flashing ROMs and customizing the device (wood back covers, etc) that being 6 months old doesnt bother me. I'll wait for the next Nexus before upgrading again.
Also, this is the only device that I've purchased from Verizon that came with ZERO bloat. Literally nothing. Even AT&T crapped that up. It doesn't make great use of Verizon's Advanced Calling feature (native video calling) but who cares. VoLTE works.
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Thanks everyone for your input! I would be using the camera more than gaming. Only gaming I do is the occasional w/e game while I'm taking care of business lol. Nexus was thrown in here because of all the development it has right now. I might be leaning towards the G4 just with all the extras it has and the phenomenal camera and it will still be faster than my S5. I own it, and yeah it does have some lag still. Can't stand Touchwhiz anymore and the lack of development thanks to their boost in security. Not sure why the last several Nexuses weren't removable batteries. Just an OCD thing on my part as well as external storage.

Yes Samsung phones have become harder to ROM, root, etc, unless you Go for T-Mobile/international and even then its not great.
If you plan on using the camera often, take it from a Nexus 6, Note 4 user - check out the G4.
That's my suggestion, good luck in your decision
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Thanks everyone for your input! I would be using the camera more than gaming. Only gaming I do is the occasional w/e game while I'm taking care of business lol. Nexus was thrown in here because of all the development it has right now. I might be leaning towards the G4 just with all the extras it has and the phenomenal camera and it will still be faster than my S5. I own it, and yeah it does have some lag still. Can't stand Touchwhiz anymore and the lack of development thanks to their boost in security. Not sure why the last several Nexuses weren't removable batteries. Just an OCD thing on my part as well as external storage.
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new phone

Hi
I have the HTC desire X and its grid on life is slowly fading my friend got the htc desire 510 and when he moves the screen the picture gos like a negative so that put me off that one but i have seen the moto g 2nd gen duel sim i hear loads of bad things and loads of good but though go direct to the people who know the people who use them any advice if the phone is worth it or another option
thanks

It's definitely not a flagship, but it's worth it. For ~180$ you get a phone with 1,2 GHz quad core CPU, 1gb of RAM, a 720p display and Android 5.0.2 (soon 5.1.1/Android M). It depends on what you want. If you want a phone especially for gaming (high graphics games like modern combat) then this phone is not for you. If you just want a smoothly running phone that does his job well and some middle- to low graphics games (like Geometry Dash, Angry birds, need for speed) are playable (without lags), this phone is definitely worth taking a look at.

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Hi
I have the HTC desire X and its grid on life is slowly fading my friend got the htc desire 510 and when he moves the screen the picture gos like a negative so that put me off that one but i have seen the moto g 2nd gen duel sim i hear loads of bad things and loads of good but though go direct to the people who know the people who use them any advice if the phone is worth it or another option
thanks
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You should consider something else as well. This is an exceptional phone for its price, but it has 1 GB of ram only, which is a pity.
Maybe wait for Moto G 2015, which may be more optimised at the same price.

totalnoob34 said:
You should consider something else as well. This is an exceptional phone for its price, but it has 1 GB of ram only, which is a pity.
Maybe wait for Moto G 2015, which may be more optimised at the same price.
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thanks for your reply i herd moto g 2015 was out soon but nobody can say what date heard it would be this month or December my old phone has 700mb ram so i guess it would be an improvement but not sure if i should hold out to see if the moto g comes out this year or next or pay the £100 for this version

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It's definitely not a flagship, but it's worth it. For ~180$ you get a phone with 1,2 GHz quad core CPU, 1gb of RAM, a 720p display and Android 5.0.2 (soon 5.1.1/Android M). It depends on what you want. If you want a phone especially for gaming (high graphics games like modern combat) then this phone is not for you. If you just want a smoothly running phone that does his job well and some middle- to low graphics games (like Geometry Dash, Angry birds, need for speed) are playable (without lags), this phone is definitely worth taking a look at.
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i spend alot of time on the bus so i can be online for an hour in the mornings and an an hour in the evening the duel sim part tempted me as it looks handy for my simcard when i go on holiday saves me bringing 2 phones i have seen this for sale at £100 but with the big screen and quad core cpu wasnt sure if the battery runs well and how it reacts to lollypop

factorydefault000 said:
i spend alot of time on the bus so i can be online for an hour in the mornings and an an hour in the evening the duel sim part tempted me as it looks handy for my simcard when i go on holiday saves me bringing 2 phones i have seen this for sale at £100 but with the big screen and quad core cpu wasnt sure if the battery runs well and how it reacts to lollypop
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Battery life of the Moto G 2014 is absoloutely ok so far,not outstanding but it brings you over the day,other phones can do not much more.You can extend the battery life by installing a custom rom/kernel or doing some tweaks.
It works even good on lollipop. I´m really satisfied with it just when it comes to multitasking you realise that 1 GB RAM is not enough and you have to live with reloading apps etc.
No problem listening music and surfing the internet but you can´t hande 4 or 5 apps at the same time. But for the price you don´t get anything better, that´s for sure.
btw,the Moto G 2015 should come out in august/september but as far as I have heard the stats have not changed greatly and RAM would be 1 GB again when leaked infos are true.

i decided after my phone crashed in the middle of a phone call to just go for it this one has less than a gig ram and seems to be happy with what i use it for so anything will be an improvement

Buying xperia z?

Hey guys I'm about to buy a refurbished Xperia Z from Amazon, but I'd like you guys to give me some advice. Do you recommend me? My main concerns are battery, display(they say blacks are grayish), camera and sound. I come from a galaxy s3 and lumia 640 XL(maybe someone has/had one of these smartphones and could give me some thoughts). I suppose the performance is great. I also noticed the device has some pretty good community and development(which the s3 lacks a bit)-which is also very important to me... am I right? Also, how does AOSP-based lollipop(may I dare and also say marshmallow ) run on it? Sorry guys for too many questions and also sorry for my english.
Best regards!!

What can I say...
FIRST- if you're buying it for $100 or less maybe it is till a good deal, otherwise maybe it is better to see at other low-to-mid-range
SECOND- yes, the performance is good, even better with lollipop, screen looks better now (maybe sonybravia got better, maybe because lollipop has more white in it and the white is being displayed better), but anyway you have to UNDERCLOCK it in order to get a decent battery life
THIRD- battery life is very disappointing, you HAVE to underclock it and root it and greenify it to get any good battery life, unless you can charge it every 12 hours
FOURTH - the device is getting older and so the interest in this device (im talking about support from devs)
FIFTH - the phone gets hot, like really really hot when you're using it playing games (unless you underclock it), and since the back cover is only a adhesive line, when it gets hotter with the help off the Nfc antenna (which is set to push against the backcover) the backcover gets up and looses its waterproofness
SIX- the flaps - the damn flaps- they're everywhere - and you need to open them every-time you charge the phone, put on the headphones, remove the sim, remove the microSD, and they tend to get loose with time especially the one of the charger since you need to charge it frequently
NOW... that I told you about it downsides, its not a bad phone nowdays, it has a big and very beautiful display, connectivity is like the best i've ever tried, performance is pretty good (cpu + gpu ), camera performs really well - especially in macro, dev support for now is good.
Overall for someone who has it I think it can take another one or two years, but I personally would not buy it unless I find it for cheap or cannot buy a used phone. Personally I would look into a HTC M8 or a LG G3, maybe even used.
You decide

aaronkatrini said:
What can I say...
FIRST- if you're buying it for $100 or less maybe it is till a good deal, otherwise maybe it is better to see at other low-to-mid-range
SECOND- yes, the performance is good, even better with lollipop, screen looks better now (maybe sonybravia got better, maybe because lollipop has more white in it and the white is being displayed better), but anyway you have to UNDERCLOCK it in order to get a decent battery life
THIRD- battery life is very disappointing, you HAVE to underclock it and root it and greenify it to get any good battery life, unless you can charge it every 12 hours
FOURTH - the device is getting older and so the interest in this device (im talking about support from devs)
FIFTH - the phone gets hot, like really really hot when you're using it playing games (unless you underclock it), and since the back cover is only a adhesive line, when it gets hotter with the help off the Nfc antenna (which is set to push against the backcover) the backcover gets up and looses its waterproofness
SIX- the flaps - the damn flaps- they're everywhere - and you need to open them every-time you charge the phone, put on the headphones, remove the sim, remove the microSD, and they tend to get loose with time especially the one of the charger since you need to charge it frequently
NOW... that I told you about it downsides, its not a bad phone nowdays, it has a big and very beautiful display, connectivity is like the best i've ever tried, performance is pretty good (cpu + gpu ), camera performs really well - especially in macro, dev support for now is good.
Overall for someone who has it I think it can take another one or two years, but I personally would not buy it unless I find it for cheap or cannot buy a used phone. Personally I would look into a HTC M8 or a LG G3, maybe even used.
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Thank you so much for your elaborated answer You really made me think about it.
FIRST- it costs me about $160(in a very good condition) and I really can't pay any more than this for a smartphone. It's actually a pretty good deal for what it normally costs in my country. If you/somebody could recommend me a better phone for this price point(taking into consideration the development community)...
SECOND- good to know.
THIRD- well I have to say it sounds dissapointing. Underclocking...doesn't sound that good to me... although I'd have no problem using greenify. 12 hours with 4g on? What's the usage?(heavy...moderate...)
FOURTH- this is the first thing I look when looking for an android device. If it doesn't allow custom ROMs and doesn't have a decent community behind then I don't buy it.
FIFTH- the "gettin really hot" thing sounds also really dissapointin. I'm not a heavy gamer but I do like to play graphic-intensive games from time to time. So is it really that annoing? About the waterproofness... really not important to me.
SIX- pretty annoing huh? Especially the headphones thing. What if you cut them out? You think there'd be any inconvenience on doing this aside from loosing the waterproof thing(and design of course)?
Well... so yeah some bad news for me here. But I can't find a decent phone wich also has community behind for this price. And another which makes me go for it are the 2GB of RAM.
So I wait for some other answers too guys
Also read my first post's EDIT.

Buying today XZ is stupid... seriously.
When I bought my XZ price of Z1compact was almost the same and it still is, its 20$-30$ difference for most of time(New XZ cost about 180$ z1c 200$)
And for that price you can buy WAY better phones, starting from Galaxy S4 to LG G series. And you want to stick to Sony you can get even z1 or used z2
As far as I love this phone I would not recommend it to anyone, battery is below average, camera is worst than my old Arc S, and those cover flaps are pain in the A##
This is best example of phone that look good, but those small bugs in everyday usage make it annoying to use...
And yes I still use it :] Because after using new phones... I found out that most of them are the same: average battery, and looots of small bugs that make them annoying after some time. So I decide to change phones once per 3-4 years...

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For that price NO! Performance with LP is good, camera not so good even with LP. Didnt have issues with overheating, connectivity is good. Screen and colors looks pretty nice for me.

MultiPDev said:
Thank you so much for your elaborated answer You really made me think about it.
FIRST- it costs me about $160(in a very good condition) and I really can't pay any more than this for a smartphone. It's actually a pretty good deal for what it normally costs in my country. If you/somebody could recommend me a better phone for this price point(taking into consideration the development community)...
SECOND- good to know.
THIRD- well I have to say it sounds dissapointing. Underclocking...doesn't sound that good to me... although I'd have no problem using greenify. 12 hours with 4g on? What's the usage?(heavy...moderate...)
FOURTH- this is the first thing I look when looking for an android device. If it doesn't allow custom ROMs and doesn't have a decent community behind then I don't buy it.
FIFTH- the "gettin really hot" thing sounds also really dissapointin. I'm not a heavy gamer but I do like to play graphic-intensive games from time to time. So is it really that annoing? About the waterproofness... really not important to me.
SIX- pretty annoing huh? Especially the headphones thing. What if you cut them out? You think there'd be any inconvenience on doing this aside from loosing the waterproof thing(and design of course)?
Well... so yeah some bad news for me here. But I can't find a decent phone wich also has community behind for this price. And another which makes me go for it are the 2GB of RAM.
So I wait for some other answers too guys
Also read my first post's EDIT.
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Well,
ONE - if you want a phone with good Dev community support and with that budget you'll have to take a look at ex-flagship devices, like HTC One M7 (this one remains IMHO one of the best devices ever), LG G2(very good camera from what I've been told, and powerful cpu), Samsung Galaxy S4(well because it is a Samsung and everybody has one so many developers...)
THREE - Underclock means you lower the frequency of the Cpu (example. it goes from 1.5 Ghz quad-core to 1.1 Ghz quad-core), I like more uncerclock than greenify, and underclocking at 1.1 Ghz in my opinion gives the best performance/battery life/heat ratio. Usage is normal, 1 hour browsing; 1 hour listening to songs (in 3g, even when 4g is available I disable it); 1 hour 9gag and gets at evening with 30-35%...
FOUR - many custom roms for now, and quality is really good, im using currently the 5.1.1 modified and runs pretty good.
FIVE- when you underclock (which I recommend!) you give your device better battery life but also it heats less. If you don't mind the waterproofness then it's better because I wouldn't call Waterproof a really thin bezel of adhesive (They're crazy !!!)
SIX- yeah, they're annoying but anyway you can live with that, and design is really good and would be a shame if you removed them.
So my list woud be;
1.Htc One m7
2.Lg g2
3.Samsung S4 or Xperia Z
(and btw where do you live? maybe i can see smth for you)

icrunchbanger said:
For that price NO! Performance with LP is good, camera not so good even with LP. Didnt have issues with overheating, connectivity is good. Screen and colors looks pretty nice for me.
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Well it seems the camera is not that good as I thought. Do you think moto g 2/3 has better camera? Although they only have 1GB or RAM.

MultiPDev said:
Well it seems the camera is not that good as I thought. Do you think moto g 2/3 has better camera? Although they only have 1GB or RAM.
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As an XZ owner i would definitely recommend you to go with Moto G2/3. Beside better camera there will be MM support for both the 2gen and 3gen Moto, while not for XZ.

aaronkatrini said:
Well,
ONE - if you want a phone with good Dev community support and with that budget you'll have to take a look at ex-flagship devices, like HTC One M7 (this one remains IMHO one of the best devices ever), LG G2(very good camera from what I've been told, and powerful cpu), Samsung Galaxy S4(well because it is a Samsung and everybody has one so many developers...)
THREE - Underclock means you lower the frequency of the Cpu (example. it goes from 1.5 Ghz quad-core to 1.1 Ghz quad-core), I like more uncerclock than greenify, and underclocking at 1.1 Ghz in my opinion gives the best performance/battery life/heat ratio. Usage is normal, 1 hour browsing; 1 hour listening to songs (in 3g, even when 4g is available I disable it); 1 hour 9gag and gets at evening with 30-35%...
FOUR - many custom roms for now, and quality is really good, im using currently the 5.1.1 modified and runs pretty good.
FIVE- when you underclock (which I recommend!) you give your device better battery life but also it heats less. If you don't mind the waterproofness then it's better because I wouldn't call Waterproof a really thin bezel of adhesive (They're crazy !!!)
SIX- yeah, they're annoying but anyway you can live with that, and design is really good and would be a shame if you removed them.
So my list woud be;
1.Htc One m7
2.Lg g2
3.Samsung S4 or Xperia Z
(and btw where do you live? maybe i can see smth for you)
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It seems the decision is getting harder and harder, although I already bought it because I don't wanna loose the deal. It's not available anymore at this price after buying it. I'm waiting for it to arrive in about two days I'll test it and if it doesn't satisfy me I'll return it.
ONE - Those devices are about $50 more expensive.
THREE - Maybe underclock could do the job, but will it still run smooth at lets say 1.2ghz? Anyway I think for the usage you described the battery doesn't sound that bad.
FOUR - Yeah, I'm looking at the hacking section and I'm stunned
FIVE - well, I'll happily underclock it if it doesn't affect performance too much. Maybe setting to the normal clock when gaming. And for the waterproofness thing... I'm shocked Anyway... I don't mind.
SIX - I guess...
From those devices you mentioned the only one I can afford is the Xperia Z. I really can't pay more than that for a device.
So, do you think I should buy a low end device from this or last year like the moto g 2014? I'm scared of the 1GB of RAM.
I live in Spain and price is a bit high here in Europe. I can buy from Amazon.es/fr/de/it... but I think I only have two options: buy a low-end device with no support from community or an exflagship device with support like the Xperia Z. I also think having 2GB of RAM is important right? I can't spend more than 150€/$160... ad I guess I'm asking too much from a device for this price. I really appreciate your help.

icrunchbanger said:
As an XZ owner i would definitely recommend you to go with Moto G2/3. Beside better camera there will be MM support for both the 2gen and 3gen Moto, while not for XZ.
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Isn't 1GB of RAM too low nowadays?

Akinaro said:
Buying today XZ is stupid... seriously.
When I bought my XZ price of Z1compact was almost the same and it still is, its 20$-30$ difference for most of time(New XZ cost about 180$ z1c 200$)
And for that price you can buy WAY better phones, starting from Galaxy S4 to LG G series. And you want to stick to Sony you can get even z1 or used z2
As far as I love this phone I would not recommend it to anyone, battery is below average, camera is worst than my old Arc S, and those cover flaps are pain in the A##
This is best example of phone that look good, but those small bugs in everyday usage make it annoying to use...
And yes I still use it :] Because after using new phones... I found out that most of them are the same: average battery, and looots of small bugs that make them annoying after some time. So I decide to change phones once per 3-4 years...
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Unfortunately I can't afford those devices. I barely can afford the Xperia Z because I found a good deal.

MultiPDev said:
Isn't 1GB of RAM too low nowadays?
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It all depends of usage but i wouldn't worry about it so much. Motorola comes with almost pure Android.

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It all depends of usage but i wouldn't worry about it so much. Motorola comes with almost pure Android.
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Thanks, I'm considering the moto g 2.

MultiPDev said:
Thanks, I'm considering the moto g 2.
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Moto G (2nd generation) doesn't stand a chance to Xperia Z!
XZ has better specs, better screen, better CPU, more Ram, more internal memory ecc.
Yes, the Moto G (2nd generation) is being updated to Marshmallow but really with all the support from the Dev's we can still get unofficial AOSP Marshmallow Roms.
PS.: one more thing, I currently live in Italy and in big cities it is really easy to find used phones from people that sell them at a local website. I've been checking the prices for some time because I wanted to get a better phone and phones like the LG G3 go as low as 200 euro. Htc One M7 can be found for 150 euro in really good condition, one thing is that you don't have warranty, only if they give you the bill of the phone, then it is as you had bought it(be careful though not giving you a printed bill from the internet.) if you can live with that, that would get you a really good phone with low money.

aaronkatrini said:
Moto G (2nd generation) doesn't stand a chance to Xperia Z!
XZ has better specs, better screen, better CPU, more Ram, more internal memory ecc.
Yes, the Moto G (2nd generation) is being updated to Marshmallow but really with all the support from the Dev's we can still get unofficial AOSP Marshmallow Roms.
PS.: one more thing, I currently live in Italy and in big cities it is really easy to find used phones from people that sell them at a local website. I've been checking the prices for some time because I wanted to get a better phone and phones like the LG G3 go as low as 200 euro. Htc One M7 can be found for 150 euro in really good condition, one thing is that you don't have warranty, only if they give you the bill of the phone, then it is as you had bought it(be careful though not giving you a printed bill from the internet.) if you can live with that, that would get you a really good phone with low money.
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Yeah, XZ specs are really impressive for me, but the problems mentioned worry me. The screen seems a bit poor to me from what I read. Maybe the Moto G has a better screen and battery(camera also? I doubt it). Anyway... the XZ is on its way and I can't wait to test it!!!
The biggest problem I have with buying a used phone from people is, aside from the warranty- which is also important, the fact that I can't return it if it doesn't satisfy me. Thank God for Amazon!! lol :victory:
Hey what about speakers sound?

Yeah amazon has its benefits.
Sound speakers? Hah! That tiny little thing that barely makes a sound? ?

aaronkatrini said:
Yeah amazon has its benefits.
Sound speakers? Hah! That tiny little thing that barely makes a sound? ��
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Disappointing. It seems the device has lots of flaws.

MultiPDev said:
Unfortunately I can't afford those devices. I barely can afford the Xperia Z because I found a good deal.
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In that case welcome to the club

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In that case welcome to the club
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Thanks buddy I hope I stay here for long

aaronkatrini said:
What can I say...
FIRST- if you're buying it for $100 or less maybe it is till a good deal, otherwise maybe it is better to see at other low-to-mid-range
SECOND- yes, the performance is good, even better with lollipop, screen looks better now (maybe sonybravia got better, maybe because lollipop has more white in it and the white is being displayed better), but anyway you have to UNDERCLOCK it in order to get a decent battery life
THIRD- battery life is very disappointing, you HAVE to underclock it and root it and greenify it to get any good battery life, unless you can charge it every 12 hours
FOURTH - the device is getting older and so the interest in this device (im talking about support from devs)
FIFTH - the phone gets hot, like really really hot when you're using it playing games (unless you underclock it), and since the back cover is only a adhesive line, when it gets hotter with the help off the Nfc antenna (which is set to push against the backcover) the backcover gets up and looses its waterproofness
SIX- the flaps - the damn flaps- they're everywhere - and you need to open them every-time you charge the phone, put on the headphones, remove the sim, remove the microSD, and they tend to get loose with time especially the one of the charger since you need to charge it frequently
NOW... that I told you about it downsides, its not a bad phone nowdays, it has a big and very beautiful display, connectivity is like the best i've ever tried, performance is pretty good (cpu + gpu ), camera performs really well - especially in macro, dev support for now is good.
Overall for someone who has it I think it can take another one or two years, but I personally would not buy it unless I find it for cheap or cannot buy a used phone. Personally I would look into a HTC M8 or a LG G3, maybe even used.
You decide
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in my country a NEW xperia z costs around 280-300 euro, i think people still prefer it