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HTC devices are boring

Is it me or do these devices get boring after awhile? I'm thinking about intentionally bricking my Tilt and restoring it just so I have something to do with it. Pretty pathetic I know. Nothing new or innovative has been released for it yet.

Haha, this wasn't quite the thread I was expecting, thank God. But I think this happens with all phones. I thought the Tilt was the coolest thing ever and now that I have had it for a couple months I'm kind of bored with it. I felt the same way about the iPhone and the Blackberries that I have had too though, so I don't think you can really specify that it is HTC devices. It is kind of the reason for innovation, people get bored with things faster and faster these days.

it's even worse for those who don't have pockets full of cash to fork over for lots of software for these devices.freebies help but not everyone enjoys trials and simply can't spend on numerous programs

dyetheskin said:
it's even worse for those who don't have pockets full of cash to fork over for lots of software for these devices.freebies help but not everyone enjoys trials and simply can't spend on numerous programs
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yeah so true
Sometimes i flash a random rom to 'try it' then eventually flash back to the previous only to spend the day setting it up when im done after a few hours i find myself looking through the rom section again for something new and exciting *sigh*

dyetheskin said:
Is it me or do these devices get boring after awhile? I'm thinking about intentionally bricking my Tilt and restoring it just so I have something to do with it. Pretty pathetic I know. Nothing new or innovative has been released for it yet.
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Try getting an xbox360/college course/woman/life to play with :-D

Infuruno said:
yeah so true
Sometimes i flash a random rom to 'try it' then eventually flash back to the previous only to spend the day setting it up when im done after a few hours i find myself looking through the rom section again for something new and exciting *sigh*
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Ahhhh, I find myself doing the same thing. Just trying to make the stupid little things work on different roms only to come back to one that I loved a month ago.

HTC should never have started using Qualcomm hardware.
Wonder if there's a contract between them and how long it'll last

Yes it is true! But if it wasn't for XDA, I wouldn't have known any better and would have stuck with the preinstalled apps, lived a dull life, not got to pick on iPhone users, gone through the NOOB hazing, Etc.

debully said:
Try getting an xbox360/college course/woman/life to play with :-D
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already own a 360, already have a wife, and i mess with the phone when i'm bored at work thank you very much

why not just look at stupid youtube videos all day. That's never boring.

youtube sucks,luckily that flashvideobundle shows other sites compatible. i personally like vtap,quicker searches and does more than searching youtube

cmon HTC, release the drivers as a birthday present for me LOL

It's human nature! We just get bored after some period of use; not just HTC but every gadgets or anything.
What do you think is the reason, why we have so much of divorces?

lemonanisaki said:
It's human nature! We just get bored after some period of use; not just HTC but every gadgets or anything.
What do you think is the reason, why we have so much of divorces?
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Or so much Wars...

boring phone ?
ahh,but do you actualy still enjoy using htc,or are all the little niggles getting to you ?
after 4 years still liked the way my old sony p910i felt,i.e button feel,scroll wheel/rocker etc... wonderful grapics,not bad sound
enjoyed old lucas games on p910i,monkey island,samNmax etc
not on kaiser...bluetooth sound ??and with no hope of video drivers,and pretty awful support from htc all round,kaiser will probably be first and last htc.. dull little phone,makes goodish modem for kids pc....
anybody with a briefcase full of spare cash,donations to my sony xperia begging fund will gratefuly accepted !!!
(yes i know it will be made by htc,but vw build bentleys )

Try operating it with your other hand. It will seem like a new device.

rienzi said:
Try operating it with your other hand. It will seem like a new device.
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Good tip- it may just work!

Buy new apps!
Find an app that manages/enhances your hobby or day to day tasks.

rienzi said:
Try operating it with your other hand. It will seem like a new device.
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I hear this device when I was a teenager from a friend only it was about............. Never mind.
gqstatus0685 said:
why not just look at stupid youtube videos all day. That's never boring.
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Case and Point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kib05Ip6GSo

How many years do I have to wait b4 I get my true "do it all" device?
I was reading about Sharp's new Willcom D4 UMPC today and thinking damn - it's kinda like my tilt - and an actuall real computer!
getting closer!!!
but I want it to make phone calls - not skype.....but driving cross country through the boonies traditional cell phone roaming cell phone service.
and I want 3g, gps, wifi and hell....a 5 megapixel decent looking camera/video.....and def @ least 8 full use hours (streaming video via wifi with the audio sent to my bluetooth headphones hours)
Also I'd like a nice cradle like the oqo for home/office use on traditional moniter/keyboard/mouse.
And of course it's gotta fit in my [email protected] least in the cargo pants pocket size
I know its gunna be a while....but how long u guys think?
5 years for my true do it all perfect device? I guess I'll have to wait - but Id quickly drop 2-3 grand on it today....if only it existed.
(does Microsoft want this device to exist today? is there a purpose for windows mobile when this device comes out? Is microsoft the reason for the "seperation" of the 2 OS's of the htc shift? why can't they communicate between each other fluently? why cant I make a traditional (non skype) phone call on the xp side of this device? - The everun seems to be able to do it though. - I know the technology is not quite yet here to get all these features in a pocketable device - but were soooooooo close it seems)
/dreaming of running cubase (music production software)/photoshop/etc. etc. @ work instead of just attempting to read engadget on a wannabe browser (my current fav is skyfire or opera.....but both leave me wanting more) on my pocketable (tilt) "do it all" device
/dreams and crazy glues an oqo to the back of my att tilt and puts a car battery in my backpack

Be Fair to The Diamond!

I have been reading in this forum ,and many other sites about the Diamond and one would think that this is the worst device ever created.I have one and have been using it for about a week ,I got it as a replacement to the Kaiser and I think that it is a worthy replacement.It can do everything the Kaiser did ,I got used to the keyboard.No device is perfect but I think that all the minor problems are being overblown.
i am using 3dTF without any tweaking and it is working well.
My only comment would be maybe that the battery life is not so great.

I think the Touch Diamond is better than any other device currently available, and it will be for the forseeable future. I suppose people just have different opinions. However, if they don't like the way HTC is going, it makes you wonder why they're using these forums...

But for the £450/$900 you've probably paid out, wouldn't you expect no problems? Or maybe not no problems, but the battery is pretty poor from what I hear, and thats a pretty major concern to me.
But fair enough if you can deal with it, as you say, it's a personal thing.
Rory

I think the niggling problems will be fixed in rom updates anyway.. especially once its released on loads of operators, i think we'll see alot of rom versions around.
Its actually the first phone i can see myself keeping for more than a year.

rorydaredkign said:
But for the £450/$900 you've probably paid out, wouldn't you expect no problems? Or maybe not no problems, but the battery is pretty poor from what I hear, and thats a pretty major concern to me.
Rory
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The thing is that all of the problems that people talk about are problems that I've never lived without or that I can easily cope with. Poor battery? I've always charged overnight anyway. Laggy interface? TouchFLO was laggy too. Random things happening? I'd bet that my Sendo M550 did more random things more often.
Don't forget that, until a year ago, I was still using my Sendo M550 on a daily basis.

Must say that after 2 days of owning my diamond I am hugely impressed - it does everything I want and more - sure, if you are a heavy user and you are going to be away from an electricity supply for more than 12 hours you will have a problem, beyond that I don't see any issues!

I am absolutely ecstatic with my Diamond. I've had it for a couple weeks now and it is by far the best phone I've ever had. Honestly, I think some people just like to *****. A lot of the real complainers have never even used one, and for those that have - I don't know what the hell they've BEEN using that they expect such perfection out of the Diamond.
I think also that a lot of people just don't even understand the concept of mass appeal. If the phone doesn't work exactly the way THEY want it to work then the phone must SUCK.
It's particularly interesting to me because I see the same attitudes in the anti-PC/pro-MAC crowd. I think a lot of people just don't understand the value in a flexible, customizable device. The things that I love about WinMo are the very things others complain about. I like that I can tweak the registry to adjust the touch sensitivity to my preference. Or the flow of animations, etc.
Others expect it to work precisely the way that is best for them out of the gate and don't want to have to tweak it, but they don't seem to consider the reality of the fact that they aren't the only person in the world, and manufacturers have to design products that work for the greates number of users out there...

you can also can read this (sorry for self promoting) but is good to read something good about diamond:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2315506#post2315506

How can I be positive about the device which sucks my battery within 8 hours (as if the GPS was still on) or where I cannot simply remap stupid Home button to Start Menu which I am deeply used to without any weird 3rd party tools like AE Button Plus etc etc... so far this is my first and last htc unless the major issues are fixed. TF3D? Removed, not impressed... I got this for work and not for fancy show-outs in a pub :/
Edit - also forgot about the cathastrophical speaker quality (not the one used in a call, the "loud" one) - my grandma's phone rings better...

czbird - you are clearly unhappy with your purchase - why don't you return it/ sell it and look for something that will be more suitable for your needs?

czbird said:
How can I be positive about the device which sucks my battery within 8 hours (as if the GPS was still on) or where I cannot simply remap stupid Home button to Start Menu which I am deeply used to without any weird 3rd party tools like AE Button Plus etc etc... so far this is my first and last htc unless the major issues are fixed. TF3D? Removed, not impressed... I got this for work and not for fancy show-outs in a pub :/
Edit - also forgot about the cathastrophical speaker quality (not the one used in a call, the "loud" one) - my grandma's phone rings better...
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The power in phones like this are precisely that you CAN do what you want via 3rd party tools. If you want everything to work the way that is best for you (and who really cares about the rest of the buyers, right?), just start your own phone company.

OK, taken into extreme - how'd you like to have to install some crappy freeware to scroll through your contacts? Some features are simply supposed to be built-in
This ain't my first PDA, no need for teaching.

czbird said:
OK, taken into extreme - how'd you like to have to install some crappy freeware to scroll through your contacts? Some features are simply supposed to be built-in
This ain't my first PDA, no need for teaching.
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Well... I recall going through quite a few freeware apps, and even some trial versions of purchase software, to scroll through my contacts in the way I wanted to scroll through them (i.e. with my finger w/ kinetic scrolling instead of the tap tap tap of my stylus). It's not like your Home button doesn't work - it doesn't work the way YOU want it to. And that's what 3rd party apps are for.

Still misunderstood - I was used to assign special functions to the buttons only by tweaking the scan code settings in the registry, now the problem with the Diamond is, that it ignores whatever I try to set up the key to, as there are some htc handlers which deal with these keys. Now these have to be overriden by another keyboard handlers which will finally give me the possibility to change the key behavior. This way is quite complicated, annoying to set up, and the extra software also unnecessarily eats device resources...

czbird said:
I got this for work and not for fancy show-outs in a pub :/
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The Touch Pro is the business-equivalent of the Diamond. You've got the PPC world's equivalent of a Ferrari, and you're trying to use it like a tractor. The Diamond was designed with the pub in mind...

Well put Dark Fire.

Surely its primary use is as a business phone, if you want a phone to pull out in the pub, you get one everyone knows is amazing like the N96 (when released), or stupidly the iPhone.
Nobody knows what the Diamond is, unless you know about PPC's.
Rory

hate all this futile winning! if you bought it and u are not happy with it send it back! stop complaining! yes, it's not perfect but i don't dare to think how would you react after buying an iPhone.
i don't get it. ppl come here to ask (sometimes stupid) questions BEFORE they buy a diamond. i can't stand that they came back after buying it and keep complaining.
look at all the ppl here that are learning one from each other, look and read about the already new ROM and all the tweaks. try some. take yr balls in you hand, accept the risk of bricking it and flash it!! than come back and tell us how you made it or why you didn't. be useful! nobody is interested in yr complains.
i begin to think that three are only 2 ways with diamond: love it or hate it!

rorydaredkign said:
Surely its primary use is as a business phone, if you want a phone to pull out in the pub, you get one everyone knows is amazing like the N96 (when released), or stupidly the iPhone.
Nobody knows what the Diamond is, unless you know about PPC's.
Rory
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More of the people that I know, know about the Touch Diamond than the N96 (probably my fault). TBH, the only reason I know about the N96 is because one of my friends has the N95. And as I've said before, most people I know think that people with an iPhone are retards.
The HTC Touch Diamond is perfectly designed for the pub - it's amazing, and rare, so you can show it off to satisfy people's curiosity instead of just showing it off to look cool (which makes you look sad). Also, as the Touch Diamond is not well known, it's less likely to be stolen (wouldn't you rather go for an iPhone than a random phone you've never heard of, with unknown specs?). Also, the Touch Diamond has a distinctive design, so your mates at the pub will be more likely remember the device and associate you with it.
Also, as it has been shown before, business people generally like keyboards and the general public generally hate keyboards. Therefore the Touch Diamond is not a business device. Business people also prefer complex UIs, which can show all of their calendar events (or fulfil any other random but important business requirements) - simplified stylish UIs are just not normally suitable for business...but they can still be appreciated after several pints of Magners.

Normal users dont use the calendar on their phone. They dont use the web browser, then done have tasks, all they use it for is calls, texts and entertainment.
And, saying its been proved that normal users don't like keyboards is total crap, we have however proved that almost every phone ever released has a keyboard of some type, so theyre used to it.
Plus, I bet the Diamond as its network branded variants will be in the Business type section of all the stores and brochures, much like the Touch, Dual and Cruise were.

Paml Pre- Anyone got one?

Anybody get a pre? I've seen one really great review of it and one kind of crummy review, very curious about getting this phone for my wife. Any recommendations on a good site (the XDA-Dev's for PalmPre)?? Thanks!!

not sure, but i dont believe HTC is manufacturing the pre
XDA = HTC phones.
again, not sure, if it is manufactured by HTC there would probably already be a section on the forum devoted to the pre.
I have heard a lot of good things about the phone.
only 2 cons so far: small keyboard, and programs lag a little.
other then that, Its a great looking phone, with new innovative GUI

I don't think I would be able to use the small keyboard. I can barely use the one on the Treo Pro, and the one on the Centro is too small for me... and I have relatively small hands!

Yeah, I know there won't be a section here as it is most definitely NOT an HTC device, hence my posting in off-topic. I was jut wondering if anyone knew what the best Palm forum is.
I've heard from another member of the forums here who has one that there are some hardware probs with the phone, dead pixels and bad overheating problems. First run Blackstones had similar issues so we'll see if this doesn't get straightened out in the next shipment. I'm not too worried about the small keyboard as my wife has doll hands and long nails anyway ;-)

Best bet is Precentral.net
Its not nearly as robust as XDA in regards to the manipulating and hacking of the device (possibly cause its just brand new) but its probably the biggest Pre / WebOS focused message board at the moment.

Yep i have red this is a crap
A piece of crap... is the way that many people has referred about the new PALM Pre.. why? i dont know, but I think its not powerfull than other device from PALM or HTC, but, does this palm have WinMo? maybe this feature can make it a little stronger.
I saw a few videos and i cant remember about it, cause it doesnt matters to me... Palm doesnt matter for who is a HTC user, you know...
BTW that litle qwerty seems to be for a kid... they are very happy cause the edge of the device is soft... what an amazing development!!!!
Well let us know if anyone has a little toy like that.

There should be a Pre section on this site...I dont see why now. There's 2 for the Palm Treo's:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=321
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=466

I might be getting one after some of the initial updates and bugs are worked out. 2 of my friends have one and they seem to like it so far comparted to their HTC TP.

zeo2k said:
There should be a Pre section on this site...I dont see why now. There's 2 for the Palm Treo's:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=321
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=466
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That´s because that models were manufactured by HTC and Pre won´t so it won´t have it´s section on this forum

orb3000 said:
That´s because that models were manufactured by HTC and Pre won´t so it won´t have it´s section on this forum
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Makes sense...Thanks

I played around withh it for a bit an the keyboard is soft and hard, but maybe your wife's doll hands will be fine lol
The web browsing is great. And I like that it's slim. Other than that, I like my Pro. And I don't know of any other issues. though. Good luck!

I do have to say that the Pre UI is pretty sweet. I hope the Android team takes not and realizes that the built in apps can also look good. As noted a few posts back, the Pre does have a bit of lag when you launch new apps, but the card manager works great for switching once they are open.
I have to say that I love the hardware design of the thing. reminds me a lot of the HTC Touch Dual. I hope HTC brings back the Duals form factor in a new Android handset.

I played with one today at the Sprint store...
The keyboard is better than I expected, better than the Treo Pro, much better than the Centro...
There is a "slight" lag when opening applications, but it doesn't seem to be with all applications.
The card interface is really cool and works great!

I have a Pre, so I would know stuff:
The in-store Pre's are running demo software, so they will have more lag than the real model
There is no file explorer - This is a huge change from what were used to on Windows Mobile, lol, but you don't necessarily need it.
Multitasking is AMAZING! Nothing can match it. Using Turn-by-Turn GPS while streaming Pandora in the car is seamless and works just as you'd expect.
The app store, well, give it time!
EXCHANGE: If you're exchange server doesn't use a SSL connection, then you're screwed. Palm has to release an update before this will ever work. Trust me, there's no other solution.
Synergy - I wouldn't know how well this works because I can't connect my Exchange server, which pretty much defeats the purpose.
Overall, I'd say that for your wife, the Pre would be perfect. It's like an iPhone, but you can do wayy more. It's not Windows Mobile though, so don't expect a bunch of functionality. But this phone works perfectly for what you want it for. Everything just works the way you would expect, like how the phone wont lock the screen unless you put it in your pocket (brilliant!)
But watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9uNABNcCoY It's an Opera Mini vs Palm Pre browser comparison video. Opera Mini smokes the Pre, lol.
So I would say, get the Pre for your wife. Everything is soo seamless on the Pre and works so nicely. If you want to be an advanced user, then WinMo (or Android maybe) is for you.

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I have a Pre, so I would know stuff:
The in-store Pre's are running demo software, so they will have more lag than the real model
There is no file explorer - This is a huge change from what were used to on Windows Mobile, lol, but you don't necessarily need it.
Multitasking is AMAZING! Nothing can match it. Using Turn-by-Turn GPS while streaming Pandora in the car is seamless and works just as you'd expect.
The app store, well, give it time!
EXCHANGE: If you're exchange server doesn't use a SSL connection, then you're screwed. Palm has to release an update before this will ever work. Trust me, there's no other solution.
Synergy - I wouldn't know how well this works because I can't connect my Exchange server, which pretty much defeats the purpose.
Overall, I'd say that for your wife, the Pre would be perfect. It's like an iPhone, but you can do wayy more. It's not Windows Mobile though, so don't expect a bunch of functionality. But this phone works perfectly for what you want it for. Everything just works the way you would expect, like how the phone wont lock the screen unless you put it in your pocket (brilliant!)
But watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9uNABNcCoY It's an Opera Mini vs Palm Pre browser comparison video. Opera Mini smokes the Pre, lol.
So I would say, get the Pre for your wife. Everything is soo seamless on the Pre and works so nicely. If you want to be an advanced user, then WinMo (or Android maybe) is for you.
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I didn't know about the lock in the pocket things, that's really cool
My sever is SSL, so I'm fine there.
And, of course Opera Mini wins, the Pre is doing all the work itself...

HTC did make PALMpre...i remember when it was announce back in january...i have to say it is a very solid and good device and i love winmo phone, current xperia, touch pro, and HTC HD user. Palmpre WEBos impressed me i would pick one up when a gsm version release. I believe this device took whats good with winmo and iphone and combined it together very well and have lots of room to improve as well...one thing i notice about it that is bad is the battery...make sure you read up on the tweaks n so on so you can conserve battery but most people say it dies out very quickly i dunno if its the way they using it or not but i used a unit for 2 days and still have 50 percent battery...i say your wife would love this device and make a fan out of u

They support non-SSL exchange now

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They support non-SSL exchange now
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No they don't. Did they release an update?? Or is there a link to a thread that hacked it? Cuz last time I checked, they didn't update it and that was the only way.

ace10134 said:
No they don't. Did they release an update?? Or is there a link to a thread that hacked it? Cuz last time I checked, they didn't update it and that was the only way.
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Umm. Yes.
http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na...ions/article/50607_en.html#N066192D0.0665F218
...Non-SSL Exchange ActiveSync (EAS) mail servers are now supported....

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Umm. Yes.
http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na...ions/article/50607_en.html#N066192D0.0665F218
...Non-SSL Exchange ActiveSync (EAS) mail servers are now supported....
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Thanks! I'm gonna check for updates now! (Next time, it'd be nice if you described your post a little more, but thanks soo much!)
Exchange Works On Pre Without SSL Now!! Yay!

I wants some advices!

The crap grammar is deliberate in the title...
Now, I'm probably going to be getting a Hero... So, do I sell it and get a TP2, or keep it?

l3v5y said:
The crap grammar is deliberate in the title...
Now, I'm probably going to be getting a Hero... So, do I sell it and get a TP2, or keep it?
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'twer it me, It would come down to only two things to decide.
1.) Do I want Windows Mobile or can I deal with Android.
2.) Do I want a slide out keyboard or screen keyboard.
Those would be the only two deciding factors for me. Everything else is either comparable or it not that important to me.
If the Hero comes with HTC Sense., that would sway me towards the Hero. ( WoW , cool, first one on the block factor )

Get both. Problem solved.

CraZyLiLbOy said:
Get both. Problem solved.
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Umm... I don't have £1000 going spare... well... £500... Hero will be pretty cheap on the contract, TP2 isn't coming on Orange for ages apparently.

denco7 said:
'twer it me, It would come down to only two things to decide.
1.) Do I want Windows Mobile or can I deal with Android.
2.) Do I want a slide out keyboard or screen keyboard.
Those would be the only two deciding factors for me. Everything else is either comparable or it not that important to me.
If the Hero comes with HTC Sense., that would sway me towards the Hero. ( WoW , cool, first one on the block factor )
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Damn... That's the sensible answer I was hoping I wouldn't get!
My preference is towards WM, and towards a hardware keyboard...
But has anyone used both, who can give me some kind of slightly biased view?

l3v5y said:
Damn... That's the sensible answer I was hoping I wouldn't get!
My preference is towards WM, and towards a hardware keyboard...
But has anyone used both, who can give me some kind of slightly biased view?
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I would much rather the hardware keyboard. I have a Kaiser, and while I haven't used another HTC screen keyboard, I have used the one on my son's LG Vu and my wife's iPhone, and I still prefer the hardware keyboard. As does my son, who can't wait for me to upgrade to the TP II so he can inherit my Tilt.

l3v5y said:
Damn... That's the sensible answer I was hoping I wouldn't get!
My preference is towards WM, and towards a hardware keyboard...
But has anyone used both, who can give me some kind of slightly biased view?
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Hi l3v5y
I haven´t used them but thinking on how important is to me the keyboard I´ll go for TP2 with my eyes closed
Cheers,

yeah me too inclined towards hardware keyboard factor
but then you should also consider the qualcomm driver issue if you use the device for heavy multimedia applications
i will choose touch pro 2 for my kind of use

Videos of the Hero show me that it's virtual keyboard is one of the best out there so maybe give it a shot before passing judgment. The Touch HD's onscreen keyboard was mediocre but Finger Keyboard 2.1 solved my issues.

JRK-Scope said:
Videos of the Hero show me that it's virtual keyboard is one of the best out there so maybe give it a shot before passing judgment. The Touch HD's onscreen keyboard was mediocre but Finger Keyboard 2.1 solved my issues.
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Hehe...
I might have a Hero for sale soon... I might not though... Need to get it sorted out first though.

I like to follow the idea of not judging a book by its cover. For example, I decided an iPhone was not at all worth its sticker price after trying it out off friends. I did enjoy its apps and wanted them so I ended up getting an iPod touch just so I can use those apps. That's why you should try out that phone. If you are truly unsatisfied, then yes go for the TP2. Another phone that seems worth a look is the Samsung Omnia Pro btw. The OLED screen and 800MHz CPU make for attractive options.

Be a happy wm user and get the TP2!

ID rather had a hardware keyboard also after losing my Wing (repairs atm) its kind of a pain using an onscreen keyboard and im using the opal so now hardware keyboard .

Another TP2
WM & Hardware keyboard do it for me
Oh and it just looks awesome

had WM from the 1st orange spv (nov 2002)
now have a hero....got to say try one before you judge it
the phone is.......VERY good
im very happy with my new toy

liamhere said:
now have a hero....got to say try one before you judge it
the phone is.......VERY good
im very happy with my new toy
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Orange contracts only have 500mb "unlimited" data...
Need to get a contract organised, but it's looking like I might go towards the Rhodium... Purely because I really like WM at the moment, and like the direction it's going. But, I'll try a Hero if and when I get one, and might love it...

i dont want to pirate swype...

...but what the hell gives? Does swype actually have plans for the public at large to use this? It has always worked perfectly well for me, ive never had a single issue with it so i dont get the "beta" tag.
I dont remember where i downloaded it, ive certainly never registered at swype, beta has been closed every time ive looked anyway. But ive had swype in my file manager for what feels like forever, i just installed it and when i opened it to use it it said the "trial has expired". . And whats the deal with letting a few people download it every once in a while?
Personally I dont even think its better than the stock keyboard which is pretty bad itself, maybe thats just because i use landscape alot and swype isnt so great in landscape, or perhaps i just got used to typing on the stock kb. But this super-exclusive "beta" jazz has gone on long enough hasnt it? I mean how much better can it really get?

Actually,I think swype still has a fair way to go.
But I agree, it is good enough for release, and even tho I'm a beta tester. I'm over the beta as well, should be on market
You should try ultra keyboard, its available in Market, and with tracing enabled its just like swype.
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Personally I don't like Swype because the "tracing" action is difficult to do unless you're sitting still holding the phone in one hand and "typing" with the other. Which excludes a whole bunch of activities with my phone.. Walking between meetings, sitting in the car at a stop light (phone in car mount), etc..
But I have yet to find the 'perfect' keyboard.. HTC IME is about the closest for me and I use it most of the time, but for some things I really like SwiftKey, Touchpal I use sometimes but it gets laggy... Maybe I should create a post and combine keyboard pro/cons, although it'd be very personal...

I wouldn't expect Swype to ever be in the market. They've stated publicly they are interested in working with OEMs to license and deliver Swype, not the end user.

The OEM bit makes some sense since it is already coming pre-installed on some phones like the Samsung "Vibrant" (Galaxy S) phone from T-mobile and others.

They have said that swype will be an OEM value added product. Like the beta when they get a final out the apk will be readily available for download so I'm not concerned. If they wont take my money I will feel no guilt over not paying for it.

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...but what the hell gives? Does swype actually have plans for the public at large to use this? It has always worked perfectly well for me, ive never had a single issue with it so i dont get the "beta" tag.
I dont remember where i downloaded it, ive certainly never registered at swype, beta has been closed every time ive looked anyway. But ive had swype in my file manager for what feels like forever, i just installed it and when i opened it to use it it said the "trial has expired". . And whats the deal with letting a few people download it every once in a while?
Personally I dont even think its better than the stock keyboard which is pretty bad itself, maybe thats just because i use landscape alot and swype isnt so great in landscape, or perhaps i just got used to typing on the stock kb. But this super-exclusive "beta" jazz has gone on long enough hasnt it? I mean how much better can it really get?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5599424&postcount=84
TheSwypeTeam said:
Hi everyone,
We would like to provide an update regarding the unauthorized distribution of our Swype software for the Android platform. We realize that many sites are now distributing this software and several are providing installation instructions.
We are glad that you like Swype, but we did not release or leak it for distribution and do not currently support any downloadable versions.
There are now two devices that ship with the Swype keyboard pre-installed: the Verizon Samsung Omnia II on Windows Mobile and, more recently, the T-Mobile MyTouch 3G. We’re very excited about these releases, and there will be a number of new device launches in the near future. Because our partners are highly sensitive about their product releases, we really cannot say anything further. But a lot of work goes into making sure that Swype integrates perfectly with each device we release and by comparison, any leaked or hacked version of our software will work improperly or not at all.
One might ask why we don't just release it ourselves and save everyone the hassle? The reason is that we have spent seven years building Swype and our business model at present is OEM licensing. We do plan to get to direct-to-consumer distribution, but it is a different sort of business with unique challenges and thus it is hard to say when.
Stay tuned (and provide feedback) on our forum at swype.com
Regards,
The Swype Team
Our lawyer has asked us to remind everyone that Swype does not explicitly or implicitly condone the unauthorized copying and distribution of the Swype software and to inform you that the Swype software is proprietary to Swype, Inc., is the copyrighted work of Swype, Inc., and Swype, Inc. has and always will reserve all of its rights.
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Alternatives:
Ultra Keyboard: http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.binarybulge.android.apps.keyboard.trial/
SlideIt: http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.dasur.slideit.vt.lite/
ShapeWriter: http://vivin.net/2010/06/22/download-shapewriter-apk/
SwiftKey (no tracing, but it's another popular keyboard): http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.touchtype.swiftkey.trial/
Personally I think Swype is an annoying PoS to use, and this is after months of use (I'm in the official beta). The pop-up screen that occurs every time you tap a letter is so annoying it's downright idiotic. Not having a microphone key is also extremely frustrating, as is not having any access whatsoever to the custom dictionary it uses. Great idea but some of their implementation is absolutely horrible.
I've used all three of the above keyboards with tracing capabilities and in my opinion, they are all are better and much more pleasing to use than Swype.
I've switched to Ultra Keyboard and purchased it yesterday. Hope that helps.

Yeah I don't use swype because its no good in landscape, its really not that great in portrait but I haven't found a good keyboard and I've tried them all. I just wish I had the option. I know its blasphemy but I still think the iPhones method of invisibly resizing the keys is far and away the best but it must he trademarked since it hasn't been mimicked. I know about thick keys or whatever its called but its awful, just terrible. I'd have no interest in swype if we could get one like the iPhone. Of course, if I had a 4" screen I might be plenty happy with stock. Android said they know their keyboard blows, but if the iPhone method is truly trademarked android is going to have to get pretty creative. But if its not trademarked I wish they'd just copy it already. There's no shame in using what works, its more shameful to not, upon principle, use what works. While we're copying the iPhone lets make the maps zoom in and out using a single image instead of pinching to where I want it,then it jumping further in and then loading a whole new image at yet another level, if you've zoomed on an iPhone you understand how defective android maps is (that's not to say the content sucks, google maps is the best application there is, obviously). Sorry about that last part, when I rant to my wife she just turns the TV up really loud.

It does seem a bit rich to get it Beta tested publically but then only have it as a OEM release.

Google bought out blindtype, if they implement that as the stock keyboard. The iPhone comparison will be long forgotten, it will be strides above
Rellikzephyr
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DMaverick50 said:
Yeah I don't use swype because its no good in landscape, its really not that great in portrait but I haven't found a good keyboard and I've tried them all.
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What did you dislike about Ultra Keyboard, ShapeWriter and SlideIT?

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Alternatives:
Ultra Keyboard: http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.binarybulge.android.apps.keyboard.trial/
ShapeWriter: http://vivin.net/2010/06/22/download-shapewriter-apk/
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Thanks for the link to ShapeWriter

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What did you dislike about Ultra Keyboard, ShapeWriter and SlideIT?
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I guess I didnt "dislike" them I just didnt find them to be significantly better than stock or htcime. Actually Ultra Keyboard was a bit overwhelming for me. I do like SlideIt, I have SlideIt, htc and stock installed currently, but like i said, in my opinion neither is unequivocally better than the other so i usually just end up on stock. I think this screen is just big enough for stock to be comfortable, not awesome, but adequate. I definitely find myself sending texts in immediate succession to correct/clarify the original, but im used to it so thats not really a complaint. But i have gotten pretty used to typing on stock, and voice text is phenomenal so i use that alot. I love that Google is constantly obtaining new startups, I forgot about the blindkey acquisition thats pretty exciting. Just knowing that Android is aware of the deficiency and has plans to address it gives me reason to be patient, and pumped!
Its getting real close to gingerbread time, I cant wait to see what android will look and feel like on my N1.

I've put in every word I use in swype and I am now a swype ninja...
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