[Q] AT&T MOTO X updates through AT&T

[Q] AT&T MOTO X updates through AT&T - Moto X Q&A

I am considering getting the 2014 Moto X. I was thinking the Pure Edition, but AT$T isn't playing nice about recognizing the Pure Edition's IMEI. Therefore you may not get LTE service in an area that is served by band 5.
If I go with the AT&T X, to ensure all LTE bands, how timely have the updates been for the OG Moto x? Are you still getting the updates direct from MOTO or through AT&T after they add their "value" software?
Thanks!

Through at&t. Carriers always push the updates, not the manufacturer.

My understanding is the Pure Edition / dev editions recieve updates directly from MOTO.
My question is how timely have the AT&T branded phones been updated for the OG MOTO X?
Part of the X's appeal is the software experience & more timely updates.

sailindawg said:
My understanding is the Pure Edition / dev editions recieve updates directly from MOTO.
My question is how timely have the AT&T branded phones been updated for the OG MOTO X?
Part of the X's appeal is the software experience & more timely updates.
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The solution is really simple. Register with AT&T an IMEI that AT&T "recognizes* as an LTE-capable device. Then pop your SIM into your "pure edition Moto X" - you will get LTE.
The issue is that when you register the new X's IMEI (which is unnecessary), AT&T "thinks" it's only capable of HSPA+. This solution has worked for many many people with the same exact issue.

Thank you. I understand that work around, but it seems to be just that, a temporary work around.
I am concerned about not having LTE band 5. AT&T does use this band in areas of congestion. If I'm paying for an LTE data plan, I want what I'm paying for.
I would hate to shell out the $550 for the Pure only to have AT&T render it useless because it competes with their "version" that they have paid money for to it's "rights to have it before any other carrier".
I could easily give them the IMEI of my Galaxy S3, but I don't want to get screwed in the long run. By rights, AT&T should not be playing this game.
I also suppose I could simply cut my current sim card to fit the nano sim if the X.
Hence, my interest in the speed of the X's updates through AT&T.

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[Q] Some Questions About Different Moto X Models

Hey all,
I'm looking at purchasing a Moto X (possibly two, if my wife replaces her iPhone...). I'm currently not tied to any particular carrier, but I'd like to keep my options as open as possible. I'm going to buy the phone/s at full price, and then bring them to whatever carrier/service/MVNO I end up with.
From what I understand so far, there are two basic models of the Moto X -- one for Verizon (CDMA), and one for GSM-based networks.
Here's my basic question: What's the difference between these phones??
The Verizon website lists the Moto X as a 'global' phone, which implies that it has a GSM radio in it, right?
If so, does that imply that the 'Tmobile' (or otherwise GSM-based) Moto X has a CDMA radio?
Then, as if I'm not confused enough, I find the 'Developer' edition of the Moto X... in two versions -- one for Verizon, and the other for 'GSM'. The developer edition provides an unlockable bootloader... cool, I'm a fan of that! But!! Isn't the Moto X part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock program? It is (hxxps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215)... so what's the difference between the 'Developer' edition, and the regular edition?
I'm sorry if these are silly questions -- but I've spent at least an hour Googling today, and didn't find any answers that I found conclusive. Thanks for any help you can give!!

Spirotot said:
Hey all,
I'm looking at purchasing a Moto X (possibly two, if my wife replaces her iPhone...). I'm currently not tied to any particular carrier, but I'd like to keep my options as open as possible. I'm going to buy the phone/s at full price, and then bring them to whatever carrier/service/MVNO I end up with.
From what I understand so far, there are two basic models of the Moto X -- one for Verizon (CDMA), and one for GSM-based networks.
Here's my basic question: What's the difference between these phones??
The Verizon website lists the Moto X as a 'global' phone, which implies that it has a GSM radio in it, right?
If so, does that imply that the 'Tmobile' (or otherwise GSM-based) Moto X has a CDMA radio?
Then, as if I'm not confused enough, I find the 'Developer' edition of the Moto X... in two versions -- one for Verizon, and the other for 'GSM'. The developer edition provides an unlockable bootloader... cool, I'm a fan of that! But!! Isn't the Moto X part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock program? It is (hxxps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215)... so what's the difference between the 'Developer' edition, and the regular edition?
I'm sorry if these are silly questions -- but I've spent at least an hour Googling today, and didn't find any answers that I found conclusive. Thanks for any help you can give!!
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Unless you absolutely have to have VZW for the service - do not buy the VZW model. I am on VZW and have the Dev Edition from them. VZW is always the last to get updates.
So there is just a lot going on with this phone...
There are two different Developer Editions. GSM (for AT&T and T-mobile?). I know it is for ATT and believe it is also for T-mobile. But the T-mobile Consumer Edition also has an unlockable bootloader without buying the developer edition?
Even though the MotoX is listed on Motorola's Bootloader unlock program - it is only certain models. Sprint, T-mobile, US Cellular. Verizon's is only the Developer Edition. ATT would only be the GSM Developer Edition.
My recommendation is T-mobile if you get good service from them. They are going to get updates first.
Also as far as CDMA Vs. GSM; Verizon and Sprint use CDMA technology and ATT and Tmobile and most others use GSM technology.
I know that sounded like a big mess - sorry. I am tired and its all I got for now.

The CDMA version has gsm capabilities, but the gsm version will not work on CDMA.
If I were in your position, I'd get the gsm developer edition or the T-Mobile version. Either of those should be compatible with most carriers unless you absolutely need a Verizon phone. If so get the VZW developer edition.
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thepolishguy said:
My recommendation is T-mobile if you get good service from them. They are going to get updates first.
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That would be my choice, as well. However, I'm not 100% sure I want to commit to T-Mobile, yet... their coverage seems to be the most lacking of non-Verizon carriers. I was actually thinking of activating the phone on Ting (a Spring MVNO) to begin with.
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I know that sounded like a big mess - sorry. I am tired and its all I got for now.
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No worries, I appreciate it, man.
housry23 said:
The CDMA version has gsm capabilities, but the gsm version will not work on CDMA.
If I were in your position, I'd get the gsm developer edition or the T-Mobile version. Either of those should be compatible with most carriers unless you absolutely need a Verizon phone. If so get the VZW developer edition.
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So what you're saying is that the VZW Dev edition would theoretically work on other CDMA carriers (i.e. Sprint/Sprint-based networks), and also GSM-based networks (i.e. T-Mobile), right? But that the T-Mobile version with only work on GSM carriers (i.e. not Verizon, and not Sprint)?
As much as I'd love to just commit to T-Mobile's GSM network... their coverage maps have me hesitant, heh.

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...As much as I'd love to just commit to T-Mobile's GSM network... their coverage maps have me hesitant, heh.
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With T-Mobile you don't commit, other than the cost of the phone which can be resold. They don't do contracts so you can easily switch to another carrier if needed. I've been on Verizon since their inception and I now have à T-Mobile "test" line which is working pretty well. As mentioned above, it's probably best to get the GSM dev edition since it can be used on AT&T too.

I'm nearly certain the T-Mobile version works 100% on AT&T HSPA & LTE.
I ordered one last night, so I will clear that up when it arrives next week, but I'm pretty certain I've already seen others reporting that T-Mobile works fully on AT&T and is unlocked out of the box.

scottjb said:
With T-Mobile you don't commit, other than the cost of the phone which can be resold. They don't do contracts so you can easily switch to another carrier if needed. I've been on Verizon since their inception and I now have à T-Mobile "test" line which is working pretty well. As mentioned above, it's probably best to get the GSM dev edition since it can be used on AT&T too.
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Gotcha. Ideally, though, I'd like a phone that would work on CDMA AND/OR GSM networks... would the VZW and/or VZW Dev Edition be capable of that? That is, could I activate on a Sprint-based CDMA network like Ting, and then switch to a GSM-based network like T-Mobile later, if I wanted?
phositadc said:
I'm nearly certain the T-Mobile version works 100% on AT&T HSPA & LTE.
I ordered one last night, so I will clear that up when it arrives next week, but I'm pretty certain I've already seen others reporting that T-Mobile works fully on AT&T and is unlocked out of the box.
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Awesome! Looking foward to what you find out.

I think you need a Sprint version to be able to use Ting. Last I heard, they don't flash Verizon phones to their network. I'm not sure if the Sprint version can be unlocked to be used on T-Mobile if you change your mind later. I'd highly advise just picking your carrier first before picking your phone.
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freak4dell said:
I'd highly advise just picking your carrier first before picking your phone.
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Was starting to think that myself, heh. Just kind of a bummer, because I know I want the phone -- but I don't know which carrier will end up fitting me best.

[Q] Buying a Verizon Moto X.

Hello everyone,
First time signing up to XDA (I love this site). I've been waiting to buy a new phone for a while now. And I did have my eyes set on a Nexus 5. But I'm ultimately deciding to get a Moto X. Cause it would be the best for me at the moment due to pricing.
I plan on buying it on the extended Cyber Monday sale day(s) through MotoMaker, fully customized and so forth. And I was wondering if I buy the Verizon version of the Moto X. Will it be GSM Unlocked worldwide? I've seen threads and I'm not to clear on it. Do take note I do not live in the US but in the Caribbean. My carrier bands support GSM 850 and 1900 MHz frequency & HSPA+ 850MHz for mobile data. Just wanting to know if I can pop in my GSM sim and everything will work fine and dandy?
Or will I have to buy a carrier locked Moto X from either AT&T or T-Mobile from MotoMaker and buy an unlock code from an unlocking website?
(If this is my only option, do you suggest any unlocking website that would be best?)
Thank you for taking the time to read and help.
Have a nice day.

RenSoAbrupt said:
Hello everyone,
First time signing up to XDA (I love this site). I've been waiting to buy a new phone for a while now. And I did have my eyes set on a Nexus 5. But I'm ultimately deciding to get a Moto X. Cause it would be the best for me at the moment due to pricing.
I plan on buying it on the extended Cyber Monday sale day(s) through MotoMaker, fully customized and so forth. And I was wondering if I buy the Verizon version of the Moto X. Will it be GSM Unlocked worldwide? I've seen threads and I'm not to clear on it. Do take note I do not live in the US but in the Caribbean. My carrier bands support GSM 850 and 1900 MHz frequency & HSPA+ 850MHz for mobile data. Just wanting to know if I can pop in my GSM sim and everything will work fine and dandy?
Or will I have to buy a carrier locked Moto X from either AT&T or T-Mobile from MotoMaker and buy an unlock code from an unlocking website?
(If this is my only option, do you suggest any unlocking website that would be best?)
Thank you for taking the time to read and help.
Have a nice day.
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I don't know if the Verizon version will do GSM, I'd assume not. You also cannot unlock a Verizon Moto x unless it is the dev edition.
The T-Mobile one is the one that you can unlock for free on the motorola website, so if that is what you want, I'd suggest that.

RenSoAbrupt said:
Hello everyone,
First time signing up to XDA (I love this site). I've been waiting to buy a new phone for a while now. And I did have my eyes set on a Nexus 5. But I'm ultimately deciding to get a Moto X. Cause it would be the best for me at the moment due to pricing.
I plan on buying it on the extended Cyber Monday sale day(s) through MotoMaker, fully customized and so forth. And I was wondering if I buy the Verizon version of the Moto X. Will it be GSM Unlocked worldwide? I've seen threads and I'm not to clear on it. Do take note I do not live in the US but in the Caribbean. My carrier bands support GSM 850 and 1900 MHz frequency & HSPA+ 850MHz for mobile data. Just wanting to know if I can pop in my GSM sim and everything will work fine and dandy?
Or will I have to buy a carrier locked Moto X from either AT&T or T-Mobile from MotoMaker and buy an unlock code from an unlocking website?
(If this is my only option, do you suggest any unlocking website that would be best?)
Thank you for taking the time to read and help.
Have a nice day.
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Verizon uses the CDMA network.
via my slapped KIT KAT moto X

All Verizon 4G LTE phones are Sim unlocked. That includes the VZW Moto X. While you can put a non-Verizon GSM sim in there, the phone will tell you the sim is unsupported, and you'll need to enter your carrier's APN settings manually in order to get data, sms, and mms.
Per Moto's web site, the Verizon version supports...
GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS/HSPA: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B2/B1)
LTE: 750Mhz (B13)... 700 Mhz Band 4 is supposed to be supported too.
IF your carrier is GSM and supports those bands, the VZW Moto X will work after you put the APN settings in manually.
That being said... since the Moto Maker Verizon Moto X has a locked boot loader, and supports CDMA bands that your GSM carrier likely wont use, I have to question why you would want the Verizon version of the phone.
The T-Mobile or GSM Developer Edition would be better suited for your needs if you have a GSM carrier. They are both SIM unlocked, and both can have their boot loaders unlocked. Unfortunately, if you buy the T-Mobile version unlocking the boot loader does void the warranty, where as unlocking the boot loader on the Dev Edition doesn't.
The ATT version is also an option as it supports two LTE bands which are not used in the USA. Not sure if those bands will be helpful for you or not. The ATT version also doesn't support HSPA on AWS(1700mhz) that T-Mobile uses in the USA, the boot loader can not be unlocked, and I believe it is sim locked out of the box. The only reason to go with the ATT version over the T-Mobile is IF you need those two LTE bands the ATT model has, that the T-Mobile model lacks, and your carrier doesn't do 3G on AWS(1700).

Thank you so much for your input. The reason I initially wanted to get the VZW X because I've read I would of been able to put my sim in and it would work. Defeating the purpose of buying an unlock code.
But I did not know Tmobile MotoMaker X comes sim unlocked.
I will customise and purchase the Tmobile version. You saved me. Really appreciated kind sir.
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There is some additional info on the ATT version vs T-Mo version vs GSM DE version in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546466
In short, similar to what I said, the T-Mo and GSM Dev Edition are the same, both SIM unlocked and unbranded, except unlocking the bootloader on the T-Mo version voids the warranty, where as it doesn't on the Dev Edition.
The ATT version is like the T-Mo version, EXCEPT it is sim locked, includes carrier branding and bloat, can not unlock the boot loader. While the ATT X includes LTE bands 5 & 7 (which are not used in USA), it lacks support for 1700mhz(aws) HSPA support which T-Mobile USA uses.

KidJoe said:
There is some additional info on the ATT version vs T-Mo version vs GSM DE version in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546466
In short, similar to what I said, the T-Mo and GSM Dev Edition are the same, both SIM unlocked and unbranded, except unlocking the bootloader on the T-Mo version voids the warranty, where as it doesn't on the Dev Edition.
The ATT version is like the T-Mo version, EXCEPT it is sim locked, includes carrier branding and bloat, can not unlock the boot loader. While the ATT X includes LTE bands 5 & 7 (which are not used in USA), it lacks support for 1700mhz(aws) HSPA support which T-Mobile USA uses.
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Ah thank you. I'll get the TMob X. My country is launching LTE this month, I'll contact asking which bands they are going to use. But I don't really mind for it. Thank you again KidJoe.

RenSoAbrupt said:
Hello everyone,
First time signing up to XDA (I love this site). I've been waiting to buy a new phone for a while now. And I did have my eyes set on a Nexus 5. But I'm ultimately deciding to get a Moto X. Cause it would be the best for me at the moment due to pricing.
I plan on buying it on the extended Cyber Monday sale day(s) through MotoMaker, fully customized and so forth. And I was wondering if I buy the Verizon version of the Moto X. Will it be GSM Unlocked worldwide? I've seen threads and I'm not to clear on it. Do take note I do not live in the US but in the Caribbean. My carrier bands support GSM 850 and 1900 MHz frequency & HSPA+ 850MHz for mobile data. Just wanting to know if I can pop in my GSM sim and everything will work fine and dandy?
Or will I have to buy a carrier locked Moto X from either AT&T or T-Mobile from MotoMaker and buy an unlock code from an unlocking website?
(If this is my only option, do you suggest any unlocking website that would be best?)
Thank you for taking the time to read and help.
Have a nice day.
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I put a T-mobile SIM in my stock 16GB Verizon Moto x. Here is what works and doesn't.
First off, 4G works! in the South Jersey area and it is Blistering fast, I have exceeded 40MB speed test downloads twice, Several in the high 30s and I am avg in mid 20s. Uploads are averaging 20+/- . Compared to Verizon this is like comparing Fios to 1999 era dial up. the best I ever got on Verizon 4G was 14 download but average between 4 and 9 !
The Network notification switches a lot between 4G, "H" mode, whatever that is, just bars and another which I didn't catch quick enough to read ?
Battery has been amazing compared to my galaxy Nexus, I got 7.5 hours of Actual "Screen on Time" which included some GPS use and an hour of music streaming total phone up time was 34+ hours. How long it will perform like this is anyone's guess, today i got about 6.5 of Screen on time. I hope this inst a trend
Now for the bad news - Using it as a Phone. Incoming calls are fine but, making outgoing is a Pain in the A$$.
When I dial a number, (which is a hassle on this KitKat dialer) it often goes to the home screen or back to the dialer. The Call Fails. I am not sure if my dialer is buggy or its a compatibility problem. the KitKat Dialer on the Moto X is an exorcise in futility. Google are you listening? Why reinvent the wheel. All I want in my Dialer is a Number Pad! and a phone book.
When I Open dialer I see Recent calls up top, the whole middle section says all contacts and is otherwise blank, the bottom has the number pad icon, History and settings dots.
Clicking the number pad icon enlarges the bottom section, which then goes all white and removes the three icons. I have to then click the back arrow and re-click the number pad icon to bring it up the actual dialer. .
At this time I can dial. and then the call always fails on the first attempt. Sometimes it takes several attempts to go through.
When I click send on the dialer the 4G disappears and I am left with just the bars. they come back when call is done but sometimes take a few minutes to do so.
If you Kill the dialer app or swipe it away, coming back to it you will have the same issues when trying to get the number pad (two attempts) if you dont, the number pad will open on first attempt. but the calls will still fail on the first try.
I also cant use the internet when in a call, whether WiFi is on or off. Is this a T-mobile problem? I could use the net in Verizon when in a call when on 4G or WiFi
The Data is set to global mode but I have tried both the other settings. On boot up I get a warning saying the SIM is not recognized which I just swipe away.
I am also having this problem. After making a call, the music player and the phones "volume" aspects cease to work., Meaning, I get no sound out of the phone, Music, notifications alarms etc.. This happens almost every time and the only fix is a reboot
I disabled all Verizon Bloat and a lot of Moto Bloat as well This could be causing some of the bugs? But i have tested several different configurations all with the same outcomes.
Hope this helps and puts an end to the - Will it work or not questions. There seem to be a lot of Net Know it all's that flat out say a Verizon Moto x wont work with a T-Mobile SIM or some other undocumented "fact"

Nice insight, sure it will be useful for those who need it. But I've had the phone since late November.
Sent from my Moto X

RenSoAbrupt said:
Nice insight, sure it will be useful for those who need it. But I've had the phone since late November.
Sent from my Moto X
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My Condolences.
Hope you didn't over pay to badly

Not too much I'd say.
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unlocked moto x on sprint

I have a unlocked moto x that I am trying to use with a sprint sim card. anyone know how I can get this to work

You will need to be more specific on which Moto X you have. However if it isn't a factory Sprint Moto X I think the chances of it working are extremely slim. Sprint uses CDMA, a normal unlocked Moto X uses GSM.

This is unlocked from Motorola
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Well you didn't answer the question at all so its tough to help. The long and short of it is that if you want to use a Moto X with Sprint you need to buy the Sprint version.

I guess I didn't realize Motorola sold more than one type of unlocked moto x. I knew they sold locked ones for each service provider but my understanding was that the developer edition moto x was the only one you could purchase from motorola unlocked...

Sprint doesn't have a developer edition. Only VZW and AT&T make those available to be purchased.

Verizon and Sprint use a different phone technology than other phone companies, called CDMA. To use a phone on those companies, you need a phone with built in support for their CDMA service. CDMA doesn't support removable SIM cards or changing carriers (or even changing phones, without having the carrier switch service to the new phone).
Some (many) phones on those services can also be used on the more common GSM phones services, because both Sprint and Verizon are new using that technology for data. That's where "unlocked" comes in. If you get the unlocked version of a CDMA phone you can use it on other (GSM) carriers. Sprint tend to only unlock phones for international use, not for use by their competitors. I'm less familiar with Verizon.
Either way, to use a phone on Sprint (or on Verizon) you generally need to buy a phone earmarked for that carrier. That is true of the Moto X.
If you can still return that phone, you should do so.

[Q] Moto X from T-Mobile to AT&T

I want to get a Moto X that would work if I decided to switch from T-Mobile to AT&T. My first preference is to buy it from Best Buy (I have some gift cards) but the guy at the store said if I bought a T-Mobile Moto X from them it wouldn't work if I switched to AT&T because it would be locked. From what I understand, T-Mobile can and will unlock this device for me if I ask them (nicely) meaning I could then use it with AT&T. Is my understanding correct?
My other options are to buy one from T-Mobile or get one from Motorola's website. Same question with these phones: Even if they are locked to T-Mobile at first, can I get them unlocked and use them on AT&T?
Thanks for any and all help!

shahud said:
I want to get a Moto X that would work if I decided to switch from T-Mobile to AT&T. My first preference is to buy it from Best Buy (I have some gift cards) but the guy at the store said if I bought a T-Mobile Moto X from them it wouldn't work if I switched to AT&T because it would be locked. From what I understand, T-Mobile can and will unlock this device for me if I ask them (nicely) meaning I could then use it with AT&T. Is my understanding correct?
My other options are to buy one from T-Mobile or get one from Motorola's website. Same question with these phones: Even if they are locked to T-Mobile at first, can I get them unlocked and use them on AT&T?
Thanks for any and all help!
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I don't know that there is a "T-Mobile Branded" X, and I don't think T-Mobile sells the X directly (at least it isn't on their web site).
Your choice, is the GSM UNlocked (includes T-Mobile sim) from Moto Maker web site, or the GSM Developer Edition... why?
These are the only way to get a Moto X that supports HSPA/HSPA+ over AWS (1700mhz) that T-mobile uses. History or why is this a consideration: When T-mobile started rolling out their HSPA/HSPA+ network, they did so on AWS(1700mhz) and are the only carrier to do so. While they are re-farming their 1900mhz from EDGE to HSPA+ in many areas, that isn't complete, so if the phone doesn't support HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS, it will fall back to EDGE in those legacy areas which remain.
Now, what is the difference between the GSM Unlocked and GSM Dev Edition? Kind of simple...
The GSM Developer Edition comes only as 32gig with black face, woven white back, silver accents (buttons and camera ring), and says Developer Edition on the back.
The GSM Unlocked (includes T-Mobile SIM) on Moto Maker can be ordered as 16, 32, or 64gig, and the face, back and accents can be customized, along with other customization.
BOTH are SIM unlocked out of the box. Both can be bootloader unlocked, however doing so voids the warranty on the GSM Unlocked version but not the Dev Edition.
Both of these editions support the same GSM/EDGE/GPRS/HSPA/HSPA+/LTE bands and frequencies. In fact, they are the same "board' inside, use the same roms, etc. i.e. other than the look of the outside & customization options, and bootloader unlocking voiding vs not voiding the warranty, they are the same phone. (hence the GSM Dev Edition being the preferred choice so you can unlock the bootloader and easily root it without voiding the warranty).
If you are on T-Mobile today, you could buy the ATT version at no contract direct from Moto, BUT... you can't unlock the bootloader (moto doesn't give out the codes for ATT, Verizon, Republic wireless and a few others), ATT Wont sim unlock it (so you could use with T-Mobile) unless you are their customer for a certain period of time, and it doesn't support HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS. While the ATT X does support 2 extra LTE bands, those bands are not currently used in the USA.
Hope that makes sense.

Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
P.S. I did take a look at the Moto G 4G and the Dev Edition but considering who is going to use this phone (my mom), my budget and the reviews the Moto X has gotten I decided that the X would be the best choice.

shahud said:
Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
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Yes, that is correct. The only caveat being that if ATT ever starts using those two extra LTE Bands (band 5 and 7) in the USA then the GSM Unlocked will have a slight disadvantage as it doesn't support them (hardware wise).

shahud said:
Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
P.S. I did take a look at the Moto G 4G and the Dev Edition but considering who is going to use this phone (my mom), my budget and the reviews the Moto X has gotten I decided that the X would be the best choice.
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moto x is a great phone for mom because it just works. Good choice my friend.
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shahud said:
Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
P.S. I did take a look at the Moto G 4G and the Dev Edition but considering who is going to use this phone (my mom), my budget and the reviews the Moto X has gotten I decided that the X would be the best choice.
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I bought the T-Mobile/GSM unlocked version from MotoMaker and it's working on my AT&T GoPhone plan no problem. I cut my micro-SIM down to nano and it works in the X just like it did in my Nexus 4. Interestingly I get better signal in many areas on LTE than my N4 got on HSPA+.
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tnp9008 said:
I bought the T-Mobile/GSM unlocked version from MotoMaker and it's working on my AT&T GoPhone plan no problem. I cut my micro-SIM down to nano and it works in the X just like it did in my Nexus 4. Interestingly I get better signal in many areas on LTE than my N4 got on HSPA+.
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I have this device on the AT&T GoPhone plan and very pleased with LTE here in the mountains of NC..out performs my Moto X Dev Edition and Droid Maxx Dev Edition (Verizon) here..
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Q: Pure Edition with VZW SIM card:

When the 1st Gen Moto X came out I was stationed in Germany but thanks to the fact that it was quad band it would work on all European networks (and it worked on the networks I was able to test it on). And the 1st Gen Moto X from VZW wasn't even region unlocked.
The Pure Edition covers all the same frequencies and bands that VZW covers except Band 13 which is exclusive to Verizon. As a junior/budding developer and cell phone junkie I would really love the opportunity to play with a bootloader unlocked edition to truly take advantage of all the possibilities of the phone.
Has anyone tried this yet?
Does anyone live in the RVA area, own a Pure Edition Moto X and be willing to try this with my SIM card?

Kenmichi said:
When the 1st Gen Moto X came out I was stationed in Germany but thanks to the fact that it was quad band it would work on all European networks (and it worked on the networks I was able to test it on). And the 1st Gen Moto X from VZW wasn't even region unlocked.
The Pure Edition covers all the same frequencies and bands that VZW covers except Band 13 which is exclusive to Verizon. As a junior/budding developer and cell phone junkie I would really love the opportunity to play with a bootloader unlocked edition to truly take advantage of all the possibilities of the phone.
Has anyone tried this yet?
Does anyone live in the RVA area, own a Pure Edition Moto X and be willing to try this with my SIM card?
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Verizon controls which phones can be activated on their network. I don't think they will let you activate a Pure Edition phone.

cam30era said:
Verizon controls which phones can be activated on their network. I don't think they will let you activate a Pure Edition phone.
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Additionally, the Pure Edition doesn't have a compatible CDMA radio, so you wouldn't be able to make phone calls.

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Additionally, the Pure Edition doesn't have a compatible CDMA radio, so you wouldn't be able to make phone calls.
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In another month or 2, you'll be able to make phone calls on VoLTE.
There is a VZW thread in the General section - and a poster there has 2 phones - VZW and Pure - I asked him to try the active VZW sim in the Pure phone and give us a report. I read a report elsewhere of someone who used a VZW sim in a non-VZW iphone 6 and was able to use data, and make phone calls on VoLTE (iPhone already has VoLTE on VZW).
For what it is worth - VZW has historically only controlled what phones are activated on their CDMA network. The Nexus 7 2013 LTE was delayed on the VZW network because the network couldn't activate the sim because the N7 didn't have CDMA, it was LTE only. But while VZW was sorting that out, you could take an active VZW sim and put it in the N7 and it worked fine on the LTE bands. VZW did finally update their network, and the N7 was able to activate a sim card on VZW LTE. I don't know what effect that will have on VZW being able to regulate LTE devices - but given the results of the Iphone 6 I described above, I suspect that VZW still is unable to regulate an LTE device once a VZW sim is active.

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In another month or 2, you'll be able to make phone calls on VoLTE. .
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Wouldn't this only be possible with a firmware update? So if the Pure Edition software doesn't support it, then no phone calls for you.

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Wouldn't this only be possible with a firmware update? So if the Pure Edition software doesn't support it, then no phone calls for you.
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Yes, I think that would be right. Would probably be pretty easy for someone who knew what they were doing to port the VoLTE firmware from a VZW phone to a Pure phone - that's the great thing about being able to root/bootloader unlock, right
In the other General thread, the guy with both phones just said that he couldn't get data to work with a vzw sim in a Pure phone - so the question may be moot. Don't know if it is incompatibility with the particular LTE band where he is, or bad APN settings, or if VZW really is able to restrict their LTE network to a particular class of device (the fact the the iPhone can do it makes be doubt the restriction answer).

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Yes, I think that would be right. Would probably be pretty easy for someone who knew what they were doing to port the VoLTE firmware from a VZW phone to a Pure phone - that's the great thing about being able to root/bootloader unlock, right
In the other General thread, the guy with both phones just said that he couldn't get data to work with a vzw sim in a Pure phone - so the question may be moot. Don't know if it is incompatibility with the particular LTE band where he is, or bad APN settings, or if VZW really is able to restrict their LTE network to a particular class of device (the fact the the iPhone can do it makes be doubt the restriction answer).
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Thank you for the information, I don't know how I overlooked that thread.
My plan was to take my existing activated VZW SIM in my 1st Gen X and drop it into the 2nd Gen X, as long as the SIM is active I am good to go. But if he is confirming that the Pure Edition does not support a VZW SIM then like you said it is moot. The next thing to wait for is the VoLTE network to open up.
Additional thoughts: What about the Qualcomm software 'fix' to open up additional bands?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269

I think once the additional bands are opened on the Pure edition, it may work. For now, only 2 of the 5 VZW bands are supported on the Pure edition. Pretty bad odds to have coverage.
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Thank you for the information, I don't know how I overlooked that thread.
My plan was to take my existing activated VZW SIM in my 1st Gen X and drop it into the 2nd Gen X, as long as the SIM is active I am good to go. But if he is confirming that the Pure Edition does not support a VZW SIM then like you said it is moot. The next thing to wait for is the VoLTE network to open up.
Additional thoughts: What about the Qualcomm software 'fix' to open up additional bands?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269
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Any update? Would love to update my 2013 Moto X and simply swap SIM to keep unlimited data

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