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I have rooted every phone i've had and for some reason the MOTO X is confusing me! The phone is a bone stock developers Ed. 4.2.2 pre camera.
I am confused as to which jcase method to use or if there is another option.
I am guessing PwnMyMoto 1.4.3 verizon. but i'm not sure.
Any help would be fantastic.
Thanks,
J
ejason said:
I have rooted every phone i've had and for some reason the MOTO X is confusing me! The phone is a bone stock developers Ed. 4.2.2 pre camera.
I am confused as to which jcase method to use or if there is another option.
I am guessing PwnMyMoto 1.4.3 verizon. but i'm not sure.
Any help would be fantastic.
Thanks,
J
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PwnMyMoto and jcase's methods are for locked bootloaders. You first need to unlock your bootloader. Then you need to decide if you want to take the OTA to 4.4 or not because once you upgrade to 4.2.2 post-camera, you can never downgrade to 4.2.2 pre-camera without bricking your device.
If you want to upgrade to 4.4, here are the instructions to unlock and gain root:
[STEP-BY-STEP INSTRUCTIONS] Unlocking and Rooting a Dev Ed Moto X Running Kit Kat
I have read of others who kept the 4.2.2 bootloader and other partitions and just selectively flashed those partitions they wanted as each new upgrade's sbf firmware was released. I don't know what advantages there are to doing that.
ejason said:
I have rooted every phone i've had and for some reason the MOTO X is confusing me! The phone is a bone stock developers Ed. 4.2.2 pre camera.
I am confused as to which jcase method to use or if there is another option.
I am guessing PwnMyMoto 1.4.3 verizon. but i'm not sure.
Any help would be fantastic.
Thanks,
J
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It's a Developer Edition. Take all the updates available (4.2.2 camera update, 4.4 and now 4.4.2). Get the unlock code from Motorola and unlock your bootloader. Once that is done, flash twrp recovery and then install root via twrp.
Very simple on Dev Editions just because you can unlock the bootloader and flash an alternate recovery (twrp, cwm, etc..).
I agree. Unlock your bootloader (Doesn't void warranty on Developer Edition), flash TWRP recovery, then boot to TWRP and install/flash SuperSU. And it doesn't matter what ROM version you're running. (there is a TWRP for 4.2.2 and one for 4.4/4.4.2).
As mentioned, the bootloader included in the android versions can prevent you from downgrading the rom version. (i.e. bootloader in 4.4.2 prevents you from downgrading to any previous ROM). Why would you want to downgrade? If you have a locked bootloader, you'd want to downgrade to be able to use the root processes needed when you have a locked bootloader. But if you have an unlocked bootloader, because you can flash an alternate recovery (not possible with locked bootloader) and root no matter what ROM version you have installed, the only reason to downgrade would be if you encounter a bug you can't deal with that isn't present in the older roms.
because 4.4.2 fixes the exchange and bluetooth issues, and doesn't introduce anything new, its suggested you update to 4.4.2 if you have an unlocked boot loader (4.4.2 isn't rootable on locked bootloaders and may not be, so its recommended that those with locked bootloaders who want to root stick with 4.4).
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I agree. Unlock your bootloader (Doesn't void warranty on Developer Edition), flash TWRP recovery, then boot to TWRP and install/flash SuperSU. And it doesn't matter what ROM version you're running. (there is a TWRP for 4.2.2 and one for 4.4/4.4.2).
I didn't know there was a different TWRP for 4.2.2.
As mentioned, the bootloader included in the android versions can prevent you from downgrading the rom version. (i.e. bootloader in 4.4.2 prevents you from downgrading to any previous ROM). Why would you want to downgrade? If you have a locked bootloader, you'd want to downgrade to be able to use the root processes needed when you have a locked bootloader. But if you have an unlocked bootloader, because you can flash an alternate recovery (not possible with locked bootloader) and root no matter what ROM version you have installed, the only reason to downgrade would be if you encounter a bug you can't deal with that isn't present in the older roms.
because 4.4.2 fixes the exchange and bluetooth issues, and doesn't introduce anything new, its suggested you update to 4.4.2 if you have an unlocked boot loader (4.4.2 isn't rootable on locked bootloaders and may not be, so its recommended that those with locked bootloaders who want to root stick with 4.4).
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From what i have read 4.4.2 isn't rootable at all. Even if you have an unlocked bootloader. Is that correct?
Great info, thanks.
I thought that the Verizon DE already had an unlocked bootloader? Or is it like an HTC where i have to go the the MOTOROLA webite and get a code?
I did something like that for an HTC ONE i have on straight talk. I unlocked the bootloader from the HTC website, then installed TWRP, and then rooted and its running a 4.4.2 ROM that is great.
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From what i have read 4.4.2 isn't rootable at all. Even if you have an unlocked bootloader. Is that correct?
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Incorrect. You can do whatever you want with the DE, regardless of what version of Android you're on.
Sent from my Moto X
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I thought that the Verizon DE already had an unlocked bootloader? Or is it like an HTC where i have to go the the MOTOROLA webite and get a code?
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There are directions on a 1 page pamphlet that came with your VZW DE on how to unlock the bootloader.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
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I thought that the Verizon DE already had an unlocked bootloader? Or is it like an HTC where i have to go the the MOTOROLA webite and get a code?
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It is all in that step-by-step link I gave you above.
Ok, so i have my phone unlocked, updated to 4.4 and for some reason i can not flash the TWRP.
I get the error (bootloader) variable not supported!
Any ideas.
I have tried both mfastboot and fastboot and i get nothing.
I also moved all files into another folder and CD into that folder and still the same error.
Can i install the TWRP with goo manager?
ejason said:
Ok, so i have my phone unlocked, updated to 4.4 and for some reason i can not flash the TWRP.
I get the error (bootloader) variable not supported!
Any ideas.
I have tried both mfastboot and fastboot and i get nothing.
I also moved all files into another folder and CD into that folder and still the same error.
Can i install the TWRP with goo manager?
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did it finish flashing? mine says that when i flash a recovery also, but it flashes.
after you flash it dont reboot, just go into recovery (volume down to move the selection, volume up to execute)
then select reboot system, and it will ask if you want to root.
ejason said:
ok, so i have my phone unlocked, updated to 4.4 and for some reason i can not flash the twrp.
I get the error (bootloader) variable not supported!
Any ideas.
I have tried both mfastboot and fastboot and i get nothing.
I also moved all files into another folder and cd into that folder and still the same error.
Can i install the twrp with goo manager?
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ok, thanks for everyones hellp. Done and done..
I just unlocked my bootloader via the "chinese" unlock code...How to I get back to 100% stock after having been rooted via SlapMyMoto?
As I understand, the slapmymoto method replaces the recovery. Can I just flash the stock recovery back over it? Should I SFB back to 4.2.2 post camera then OTA back to 4.4?
JJHunterx said:
I just unlocked my bootloader via the "chinese" unlock code...How to I get back to 100% stock after having been rooted via SlapMyMoto?
As I understand, the slapmymoto method replaces the recovery. Can I just flash the stock recovery back over it? Should I SFB back to 4.2.2 post camera then OTA back to 4.4?
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Full restore to stock would be to SBF back to appropriate version.
To just flash a recovery, simply download one, move it to ADB folder then run
Code:
fastboot flash recovery nameofyourfile.zip
asuhoops8628 said:
Full restore to stock would be to SBF back to appropriate version.
To just flash a recovery, simply download one, move it to ADB folder then run
Code:
fastboot flash recovery nameofyourfile.zip
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If I SBF back to 4.2.2 will that flash the stock recovery and allow me to OTA to 4.4 no problem?
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If I SBF back to 4.2.2 will that flash the stock recovery and allow me to OTA to 4.4 no problem?
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Yes, if you use RSDLite to flash a SBF you are flashing the full stock rom, recovery, boot, etc.
If you want to be on stock 4.4, why not just use RSDLite to flash the 4.4. SBF?
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Yes, if you use RSDLite to flash a SBF you are flashing the full stock rom, recovery, boot, etc.
If you want to be on stock 4.4, why not just use RSDLite to flash the 4.4. SBF?
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For some reason, I didn't think 4.4 had a SBF...Found it. Thanks.
I am rooted 4.4 and got an unlock code.
Seems like the most straightforward method to get to fully rooted (with r/w) on 4.4.2 would be to SBF 4.4 to return to full stock. Take the OTA to 4.4.2, then unlock.
Is there a way to root without a custom recovery? I was under the impression that it was much more simple with an unlocked bootloader. The guides I've seen for installing TWRP are certainly much more simple than the SlapMyMoto process, but I thought it was as simple as just installing SuperSU or putting the APK in /system or something. I guess I was mistaken on that part.
Thanks!
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I am rooted 4.4 and got an unlock code.
Seems like the most straightforward method to get to fully rooted (with r/w) on 4.4.2 would be to SBF 4.4 to return to full stock. Take the OTA to 4.4.2, then unlock.
Is there a way to root without a custom recovery? I was under the impression that it was much more simple with an unlocked bootloader. The guides I've seen for installing TWRP are certainly much more simple than the SlapMyMoto process, but I thought it was as simple as just installing SuperSU or putting the APK in /system or something. I guess I was mistaken on that part.
Thanks!
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You can unlock your BL regardless of what version of android you are on. I just wanted to get back to stock so slapmymoto was no longer active (which is kinda a workaround for root imho, but it works and does its job.)
To root with an unlocked bootloader, all you have to do is download the TWRP img file and the supersu.zip file. Push the supersu.zip to your SD card. Use fastboot to flash TWRP img file. Boot into the recovery you just flashed and install the supersu.zip file. Bam you're rooted.
fury683 said:
I am rooted 4.4 and got an unlock code.
Seems like the most straightforward method to get to fully rooted (with r/w) on 4.4.2 would be to SBF 4.4 to return to full stock. Take the OTA to 4.4.2, then unlock.
Is there a way to root without a custom recovery? I was under the impression that it was much more simple with an unlocked bootloader. The guides I've seen for installing TWRP are certainly much more simple than the SlapMyMoto process, but I thought it was as simple as just installing SuperSU or putting the APK in /system or something. I guess I was mistaken on that part.
Thanks!
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Well, you can unlock your bootloader at any time once you have the unlock code. The Android version on your phone doesn't matter.
Flashing TWRP, booting to it and installing SuperSU is how you root with an unlocked bootloader. (for full details see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/instructions-unlocking-rooting-dev-ed-t2649738 which makes it seem like a longer process than it is.) That process is as easy as it gets, and works no matter what ROM you are on.
If you want to be on 4.4.2, and going to use RSDLite to flash an SBF anyway, the most straight forward way would be to flash the 4.4.2 SBF, then Root by flashing TWRP, booting to it, and installing SuperSU.
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Well, you can unlock your bootloader at any time once you have the unlock code. The Android version on your phone doesn't matter.
Flashing TWRP, booting to it and installing SuperSU is how you root with an unlocked bootloader. (for full details see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/instructions-unlocking-rooting-dev-ed-t2649738 which makes it seem like a longer process than it is.) That process is as easy as it gets, and works no matter what ROM you are on.
If you want to be on 4.4.2, and going to use RSDLite to flash an SBF anyway, the most straight forward way would be to flash the 4.4.2 SBF, then Root by flashing TWRP, booting to it, and installing SuperSU.
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Thanks. Can I SBF with 4.4.2 even thought I'm still on 4.4? Or do I need to do 4.4 SBF, OTA to 4.4.2 then unlock and do TWRP/root?
Thanks again.
fury683 said:
Thanks. Can I SBF with 4.4.2 even thought I'm still on 4.4? Or do I need to do 4.4 SBF, OTA to 4.4.2 then unlock and do TWRP/root?
Thanks again.
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No matter what rom is on your phone right now, if you have the bootloader unlock code, you can unlock. You don't have to be on a special version to unlock your phone's bootloader once you have the code.
The OTA's are incremental updates. They require pre-requisites be in place or they fail. You must be on a specific previous ROM, and "step up." They check for specific files/version/check sums to be on your phone before they install. If your phone doesn't match the version the OTA is looking for, or a particular file on your phone doesn't match what the OTA is looking for, the OTA will fail. To put it another way... to take the 4.4.2 OTA, your phone needs to be on 4.4. To take the 4.4 OTA, your phone needs to be on the 4.2.2 w/camera fix version. To take the 4.2.2 w/camera fix OTA, your phone needs to be on the initial shipping ROM version.
SBF's are complete roms containing every file/partition/modem for that version. You can flash the 4.4.2 SBF directly over any other ROM version. It wont stop you.
Just remember when flashing an SBF, there is a line in the XML that RSDLite uses that controls whether it wipes your data or not when flashing. (The thread about returning to stock using RSDlite explains it.) BUT since the process of unlocking your bootloader will factory reset your phone which wipes the data anyway...RSDLite erasing your data isn't a problem if you do it right before or right after you unlock your bootloader.
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No matter what rom is on your phone right now, if you have the bootloader unlock code, you can unlock. You don't have to be on a special version to unlock your phone's bootloader once you have the code.
The OTA's are incremental updates. They require pre-requisites be in place or they fail. You must be on a specific previous ROM, and "step up." They check for specific files/version/check sums to be on your phone before they install. If your phone doesn't match the version the OTA is looking for, or a particular file on your phone doesn't match what the OTA is looking for, the OTA will fail. To put it another way... to take the 4.4.2 OTA, your phone needs to be on 4.4. To take the 4.4 OTA, your phone needs to be on the 4.2.2 w/camera fix version. To take the 4.2.2 w/camera fix OTA, your phone needs to be on the initial shipping ROM version.
SBF's are complete roms containing every file/partition/modem for that version. You can flash the 4.4.2 SBF directly over any other ROM version. It wont stop you.
Just remember when flashing an SBF, there is a line in the XML that RSDLite uses that controls whether it wipes your data or not when flashing. (The thread about returning to stock using RSDlite explains it.) BUT since the process of unlocking your bootloader will factory reset your phone which wipes the data anyway...RSDLite erasing your data isn't a problem if you do it right before or right after you unlock your bootloader.
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After unlocking though, flashing the system.img from an SBF file and a custom recovery brings you basically back to "stock" (excluding the custom recovery) so you don't have to use RSDLite, correct?
EvanVanVan said:
After unlocking though, flashing the system.img from an SBF file and a custom recovery brings you basically back to "stock" (excluding the custom recovery) so you don't have to use RSDLite, correct?
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For the most part, you can use mfastboot to flash just system.img and recovery.img, this will get those two parts back to stock, which is often enough to allow you to take an OTA update, however, if you've touched any other part, your phone wont be 100% stock. And then, how long does it take for the OTA to install and reboot? Now, in fury683's case, the phone is on 4.4 and he wants to go to 4.4.2. But if the phone was on say either of the 4.2.2 versions and he wanted to go to 4.4.2, then you'd also have multiple OTA's to install.
Using the full SBF and RSDlite will flash all parts, gets you to 100% stock, and immediately on the version you want. I don't know everything that SlapMyMoto and MotoWpNoMo touch, so I can't say for sure if flashing system and recovery are enough to totally remove them, or just remove enough to allow you to take an OTA.
System.img takes the longest to flash via either mFastboot or RSDLite, the rest are really quick, so the time spent using RSDLite to flash everything isn't that much more than manually flashing just system.img and recovery.img via mfastboot.
So considering that the mfastboot oem unlock does a factory reset anyway (so data is going to be lost), and flashing with RSDlite flashes all parts as 1 batched operation (i.e. you don't have to individually execute mfastboot lines...) using RSDLite can get you to the final destination, and ensure 100% stock, more easily.
I did mine last night from 4.4. I unlocked, got a clean 4.4 , took ota, flash twrp, install su. If you do in the right order shouldn't take more than 30 mins to be up and running again. If you use Titanium backup be sure to pull your files to computer before doing the bootloader unlock.
KidJoe said:
No matter what rom is on your phone right now, if you have the bootloader unlock code, you can unlock. You don't have to be on a special version to unlock your phone's bootloader once you have the code.
The OTA's are incremental updates. They require pre-requisites be in place or they fail. You must be on a specific previous ROM, and "step up." They check for specific files/version/check sums to be on your phone before they install. If your phone doesn't match the version the OTA is looking for, or a particular file on your phone doesn't match what the OTA is looking for, the OTA will fail. To put it another way... to take the 4.4.2 OTA, your phone needs to be on 4.4. To take the 4.4 OTA, your phone needs to be on the 4.2.2 w/camera fix version. To take the 4.2.2 w/camera fix OTA, your phone needs to be on the initial shipping ROM version.
SBF's are complete roms containing every file/partition/modem for that version. You can flash the 4.4.2 SBF directly over any other ROM version. It wont stop you.
Just remember when flashing an SBF, there is a line in the XML that RSDLite uses that controls whether it wipes your data or not when flashing. (The thread about returning to stock using RSDlite explains it.) BUT since the process of unlocking your bootloader will factory reset your phone which wipes the data anyway...RSDLite erasing your data isn't a problem if you do it right before or right after you unlock your bootloader.
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Thanks for your help. The process was much less painful than I expected. Aside from downloading the SBF file, whole process to SBF, unlock, flash TWRP and root took about 20 minutes.
Working great now!
Thanks again
Hey guys. At what point do you lose the ability to OTA update? Is it when you unlock your bootloader or when you install custom recovery and SuperSU?
yankeesfan714 said:
Hey guys. At what point do you lose the ability to OTA update? Is it when you unlock your bootloader or when you install custom recovery and SuperSU?
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I've had no issues updating OTA while rooted and unlocked. It only becomes an issue if you modify the system. You will also not be able to update OTA if you have a custom recovery installed. However, to play it completely safe it is always best to go back to stock if you are doing an OTA.
Installing a custom recovery and messing with system apps will cause an ota to fail. Unlocking and SU alone won't make it fail
Leave system apps alone and flash back to the stock recovery prior to accepting the ota.
yankeesfan714 said:
Hey guys. At what point do you lose the ability to OTA update? Is it when you unlock your bootloader or when you install custom recovery and SuperSU?
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Since the OTA can only install via stock recovery, installing a custom recovery is technically the point at which you lose the ability to do an OTA update.
to quote SOME of what I put here -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-OTA.html
For the Motorola X, the OTA's are incremental updates. You must be on a specific previous ROM, and "step up." To put it another way... to take the 4.4.2 OTA, your phone needs to be on 4.4. To take the 4.4 OTA, your phone needs to be on the 4.2.2 w/camera fix version. To take the 4.2.2 w/camera fix OTA, your phone needs to be on the initial shipping ROM version.
Inside the OTA is a manifest file. It contains a list of files and their check sums it expects to be on your phone. If the files are missing, or the check sum for a particular file doesn't match (because you've replaced or altered the file), the OTA will fall.
Because of #2, you must be "stock." Any bloat you deleted, needs to be put back. Any apps you froze with Titanium Backup or the like, may need to be unfrozen. Apps disabled via the phone's Settings -> Applications -> [select app] -> [disable] can remain disabled and should not impact the update.
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So any any point you deviate from stock too much, an OTA will fail to install.
(there is more info at that link)
If all you have done is unlocked the bootloader, flashed custom recovery, and installed SuperSU to root... then installed root capable apps like Adfree, Wifi Tether for root, Greenify, or others that don't mess with system files and the like, you can just flash stock recovery back on to take an OTA.
If you unlock the bootloader, flash custom recovery, and install SuperSU to root... then alter the build.prop, remove or rename the BLOAT APK's from your phone, install Xposed, etc. You'll have some work to do getting back to "stock" to take the OTA.
KidJoe said:
Since the OTA can only install via stock recovery, installing a custom recovery is technically the point at which you lose the ability to do an OTA update.
to quote SOME of what I put here -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-OTA.html
So any any point you deviate from stock too much, an OTA will fail to install.
(there is more info at that link)
If all you have done is unlocked the bootloader, flashed custom recovery, and installed SuperSU to root... then installed root capable apps like Adfree, Wifi Tether for root, Greenify, or others that don't mess with system files and the like, you can just flash stock recovery back on to take an OTA.
If you unlock the bootloader, flash custom recovery, and install SuperSU to root... then alter the build.prop, remove or rename the BLOAT APK's from your phone, install Xposed, etc. You'll have some work to do getting back to "stock" to take the OTA.
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Does this also apply to moto x non-dev devices?
dmonleo said:
Does this also apply to moto x non-dev devices?
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Yes. Every device with an unlocked bootloader is essentially a 'non official' Dev edition (although unlike the Dev edition, your warranty is void).
We always got "swappa"!
dmonleo said:
Does this also apply to moto x non-dev devices?
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While Not Explicitly stated on -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-OTA.html yes, that info about the conditions for taking an OTA applies to ALL Moto X's... Dev Edition, Non-Dev Edition, Moto Maker, Retail, etc. With locked bootloader and with Unlocked Bootloader.
What @samwathegreat replied to you is very accurate. From a functional stand point, once you unlock the bootloader on a Non-Dev Edition... your phone acts as if you have a Dev Edition.. (Except your warranty is void). And it doesn't matter if you have a Rogers Wireless, Sprint, GSM Unlocked, etc... and got your code from Moto, or you had a Verizon Non-Dev or ATT or Republic wireless and got the code from the Chinese website or middleman.
I have the 2013 model of the MotoX and its XT1058 version. I am currently on KitKat 4.4.2 and it's rooted. I was wondering if I will lose root if I take the OTA update to 4.4.4 and if that is so, is there a way to keep the root on 4.4.4. Thanks!
I second this. Same situation as you (Verizon model) and would like to go 4.4.4 and keep my root.
popcornmeat said:
I have the 2013 model of the MotoX and its XT1058 version. I am currently on KitKat 4.4.2 and it's rooted. I was wondering if I will lose root if I take the OTA update to 4.4.4 and if that is so, is there a way to keep the root on 4.4.4. Thanks!
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If your bootloader is unlocked, yes, you can keep root, though you will need to the reflash supersu.zip (or have twrp automagically do it). Otherwise, no. There is no root available for unlocked 4.4.4. If you don't have an unlocked bootloader, check out the Sunshine thread in the general section.
Is your X an ATT XT1058? If not, you should be able to unlock for free through Moto (there are a number of threads around on doing so). For you @EpicBlob, since you are using a Verizon XT1060, if it isn't the Dev Edition, Sunshine is your only option now and is $25 to use.
Kind of, if root is hidden via superSU you can take the ota & then use sunshine. But why risk it.
As I recall, you can keep root but you will loose write access to system. This means if you use root to modify anything, it wont stick after a reboot. I would advise against it unless you have an unlocked bootloader.
If you have a custom recovery, you need to flash your stock recovery first also. ?
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If you have a custom recovery, you need to flash your stock recovery first also. ?
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Where can I find the stock recovery for XT1052 running 4.4.4... tried alot couldnt find it......can u point me...???
JJHunterx said:
As I recall, you can keep root but you will loose write access to system. This means if you use root to modify anything, it wont stick after a reboot. I would advise against it unless you have an unlocked bootloader.
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I have an AT&T XT1058 too, my but i had my BL unlocked through sunshine.
I am still on 4.4, but now that i have my BL unlocked, i want to update to 4.4.4. Why do you say that i can keep the root but i will loose write access to system?
Can't i restore it?
Minato04 said:
I have an AT&T XT1058 too, my but i had my BL unlocked through sunshine.
I am still on 4.4, but now that i have my BL unlocked, i want to update to 4.4.4. Why do you say that i can keep the root but i will loose write access to system?
Can't i restore it?
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You didn't mention you had an unlocked bootloader.
If it were me, I would RSD back to stock 4.4, take the OTA's to 4.4.4, flash recovery, flash root. (Only if you have an unlocked bootloader of course. )
I would just find the 4.4.4 AT&T sbf/fxz and flash it manually instead of taking OTAs.
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I have the 2013 model of the MotoX and its XT1058 version. I am currently on KitKat 4.4.2 and it's rooted. I was wondering if I will lose root if I take the OTA update to 4.4.4 and if that is so, is there a way to keep the root on 4.4.4. Thanks!
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EpicBlob said:
I second this. Same situation as you (Verizon model) and would like to go 4.4.4 and keep my root.
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Sorry I'm joining late... But...
If your bootloader is LOCKED (Standard on the ATT XT1058, and Verizon XT1060), then do not upgrade to 4.4.4. You will lose Root. The vulnerabilities exploited by Pie and Towel have been patched in 4.4.4, and you will not be able to re-root.
However, If while on 4.4.2 or lower you have unlocked your bootloader by either using Sunshine, or purchasing an Unlock Code from the China Middle man when available (the only two options to unlock the bootloader on the ATT XT1058 and Verizon XT1060 non-developer edition), you will likely lose root taking the update, but can re-root after 4.4.4 is on your phone.
To take OTA, you need stock recovery on your phone, and to be as close to stock as possible (so the OTA's preflash validation check doesn't fail). After the OTA is installed, flash TWRP, reboot-bootloader and enter TWRP.
The other option is to download the 4.4.4 SBF from one of the sites listed in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-tip-web-sites-official-leaked-roms-t2923347 and flash your phone with it via RSDLite or mFastboot. After flashing, use mFastboot to flash TWRP recovery, reboot-bootloader, then enter TWRP.
Verizon
Moto X 1st Gen
Android 4.2.2 - Stock rooted
Unlocked Boot loader - not DEV edition though
TWRP 2.7.1.1 recovery
Question:
To upgrade to 5.1 do I just need to revert back to stock boot loader and do an OTA update?
Will the OTA re-lock my boot loader?
After the upgrade to 5.1 do I just reload TWRP recovery and flash SU for root access again?
No the new updates do not relock the bootloader. I suggest you first try out the Lollipop by flashing it through latest version of TWRP. If you think you can live with it than just flash complete stock through rsdlite or manually by fastboot. Reason I say that is because once you take the OTA it will update both bootloader version and the partition tables which means you won't be able to revert back to a lower Android version without the risk of bricking your device.
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bushako said:
No the new updates do not relock the bootloader. I suggest you first try out the Lollipop by flashing it through latest version of TWRP. If you think you can live with it than just flash complete stock through rsdlite or manually by fastboot. Reason I say that is because once you take the OTA it will update both bootloader version and the partition tables which means you won't be able to revert back to a lower Android version without the risk of bricking your device.
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I don't want to go back to complete stock, I want to keep bootloader unlocked and root. Is there a stock rooted rom out there I can flash w/ TWRP without having to do OTA or flashing the recovery back to stock?
Yes there is its in the development section. You'll read the thread something like xt1053 stock flash-able. It contains only the kernel and system files so you should be good.
Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3155843
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-RanZ- said:
Verizon
Moto X 1st Gen
Android 4.2.2 - Stock rooted
Unlocked Boot loader - not DEV edition though
TWRP 2.7.1.1 recovery
Question:
To upgrade to 5.1 do I just need to revert back to stock boot loader and do an OTA update?
Will the OTA re-lock my boot loader?
After the upgrade to 5.1 do I just reload TWRP recovery and flash SU for root access again?
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First off, there is no Verizon 5.1 yet. So any 5.1 you try will be for a different model, and if you flash a full rom, it will have different radios (which don't work for CDMA that Verizon still uses for voice/3g data. If you keep your stock VZW radio files, keep in mind they will be on a different version than the rest of the rom which could cause some inconsistencies and issues. IF you do flash a FULL SBF, you will be stuck with no SAFE way to revert to 4.4.4 due to GPT.BIN/Motoboot.img (for more on this, see the link in my signature), and you'll have to wait for the Verizon 5.1 SBF to get back to Verizon's rom.
Next, to install an OTA update, when it becomes available, you need STOCK RECOVERY on your phone. The OTA also does a pre-flash check/validation of your phone before it flashes, so if anything it looks for is not what it expects, the OTA will fail. Because of that you need to be 100% stock, or very near to it.
Finally, NO, an OTA will not relock your bootloader, nor will flashing an SBF.
For more on taking an OTA, see the link in my signature on OTA Updates..
That being said, if you TRY a 5.1 rom that is out there for another model you best bet is to find one that is a TWRP back up of 5.1 installed on someone's phone, since it only updates system.img and boot.img. It may not work 100% (because part of your phone will still have the 4.4.4 files), but it will give you a taste and you could later revert back to the stock 4.4.4 which you currently have on your phone. IF you flash a FULL SBF, you might be stuck with no way to revert to 4.4.4 due to GPT.BIN/Motoboot.img (for more on this, see the link in my signature)
Hi Bushako, I've Moto X Verizon XT1060 and it's struck in 4.2.2 android. When I try to update using setting, about phone and system update it show there is no update available but the android version on it is 4.2.2
5.1 is available for Verizon Moto X 1st gen now isn't it? I am googling for a detailed process on how to update from 4.2.2 to 5.1 and keeping root but not having any luck finding anything. Is it easy to update from 4.2.2 stock rooted to 5.1? The specs of my phone are the same as the original post:
Verizon
Moto X 1st Gen
Android 4.2.2 - Stock rooted
Unlocked Boot loader - not DEV edition though
TWRP 2.7.1.1 recovery
-RanZ- said:
5.1 is available for Verizon Moto X 1st gen now isn't it? I am googling for a detailed process on how to update from 4.2.2 to 5.1 and keeping root but not having any luck finding anything. Is it easy to update from 4.2.2 stock rooted to 5.1? The specs of my phone are the same as the original post:
Verizon
Moto X 1st Gen
Android 4.2.2 - Stock rooted
Unlocked Boot loader - not DEV edition though
TWRP 2.7.1.1 recovery
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Aug 1, when I last posted in this thread, Verizon 5.1 wasn't available. It is now.
As for updating and keeping root, there are a few ways to do it. Since you say your Bootloader is unlocked, the best way is flash 5.1 SBF, and use the process of flashing TWRP and SuperSU to root and have Write protection Disabled (see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/how-to-how-to-root-5-1-unlocked-t3140217 ). If you're bootloader isn't unlocked yet, and if you are on 4.4.2 or lower and have NEVER upgraded to 4.4.4 or 5.1, use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader FIRST
If you're bootloader isn't unlocked, there is only one way to root 5.1, but it doesn't disable write protection, and its risky because it intentionally soft bricks the phone back to the Qualcomm HS-USB QDLoader mode.
KidJoe said:
Aug 1, when I last posted in this thread, Verizon 5.1 wasn't available. It is now.
As for updating and keeping root, there are a few ways to do it. Since you say your Bootloader is unlocked, the best way is flash 5.1 SBF, and use the process of flashing TWRP and SuperSU to root and have Write protection Disabled (see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/how-to-how-to-root-5-1-unlocked-t3140217 ). If you're bootloader isn't unlocked yet, and if you are on 4.4.2 or lower and have NEVER upgraded to 4.4.4 or 5.1, use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader FIRST
If you're bootloader isn't unlocked, there is only one way to root 5.1, but it doesn't disable write protection, and its risky because it intentionally soft bricks the phone back to the Qualcomm HS-USB QDLoader mode.
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Bootloader is unlocked, I get the warning every time I restart the phone.
Where can I find the SBF files? Every post I find from a search the links do not work.
Are the SBF files stock or from someone else's phone?
Do I flash the files with my currently installed TWRP?
When I flash the SBF does it remove TWRP so I have to re flash it?
Are there any radio upgrades/do they get done w/ the SBF?
Sorry if these are basic questions, I have not done much phone rooting since my old HTC Incredible.
-RanZ- said:
Bootloader is unlocked, I get the warning every time I restart the phone.
Where can I find the SBF files? Every post I find from a search the links do not work.
Are the SBF files stock or from someone else's phone?
Do I flash the files with my currently installed TWRP?
When I flash the SBF does it remove TWRP so I have to re flash it?
Are there any radio upgrades/do they get done w/ the SBF?
Sorry if these are basic questions, I have not done much phone rooting since my old HTC Incredible.
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There is a link in my signature to a thread containing the known places that were hosting the SBF/FXZ files. That is the only place I can suggest you look.
SBF/FXZ files I'm taking about are stock, and digitally signed by Motorola. They can be flashed on phones with locked or unlocked bootloaders. NOTE: make sure you get the SBF for your device model and carrier!!
You flash these via Mfastboot or RSDLite. When using these tools you are flashing back to stock. After you get the SBF file, see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61142892&postcount=2 and read the REQUIREMENTS section, and pick either Option 3, 4 or 5 to actually flash (only use one option. which ever you find the easiest. Do NOT use Option 1 or 2 as they would not apply to your situation). I usually recommend option 5.
Yes, the process of flashing the entire SBF will overwrite TWRP with stock recovery. You'll need to flash it later as part of the rooting process.
Yes there are radio updates in the newer SBF files.
So basically, you flash to stock 5.1 by using the SBF files (following the requirements and ONE of the options in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61142892&postcount=2 again,I usually recommend option 5), then root by following http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/how-to-how-to-root-5-1-unlocked-t3140217
One other tip... Make a back up of your phone BEFORE YOU FLASH. copy all data from the /sdcard area to your PC, make a list of all your apps, etc. And seriously consider erasing your UserData while flashing (wipes the phone clear), or doing a factory reset before you flash.
I only say this because 5.1 seems more stable (and less buggy) if a factory reset is done before/during the upgrade process.
EDIT: The 5.1 SBF file you want for a Verizon XT1060 is GHOST_VERIZON_5.1_LPA23.12-39.7_cid2_CFC.xml.zip and is available from -> http://motofirmware.center/files/category/11-moto-x-1st-generation/
KidJoe said:
There is a link in my signature to a thread containing the known places that were hosting the SBF/FXZ files. That is the only place I can suggest you look.
SBF/FXZ files I'm taking about are stock, and digitally signed by Motorola. They can be flashed on phones with locked or unlocked bootloaders. NOTE: make sure you get the SBF for your device model and carrier!!
You flash these via Mfastboot or RSDLite. When using these tools you are flashing back to stock. After you get the SBF file, see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61142892&postcount=2 and read the REQUIREMENTS section, and pick either Option 3, 4 or 5 to actually flash (only use one option. which ever you find the easiest. Do NOT use Option 1 or 2 as they would not apply to your situation). I usually recommend option 5.
Yes, the process of flashing the entire SBF will overwrite TWRP with stock recovery. You'll need to flash it later as part of the rooting process.
Yes there are radio updates in the newer SBF files.
So basically, you flash to stock 5.1 by using the SBF files (following the requirements and ONE of the options in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61142892&postcount=2 again,I usually recommend option 5), then root by following http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/how-to-how-to-root-5-1-unlocked-t3140217
One other tip... Make a back up of your phone BEFORE YOU FLASH. copy all data from the /sdcard area to your PC, make a list of all your apps, etc. And seriously consider erasing your UserData while flashing (wipes the phone clear), or doing a factory reset before you flash.
I only say this because 5.1 seems more stable (and less buggy) if a factory reset is done before/during the upgrade process.
EDIT: The 5.1 SBF file you want for a Verizon XT1060 is GHOST_VERIZON_5.1_LPA23.12-39.7_cid2_CFC.xml.zip and is available from -> http://motofirmware.center/files/category/11-moto-x-1st-generation/
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I will give this a try if I can locate the correct SBF files, your information has helped greatly, Thanks!
nevermind, google fixed me.