I have the 2013 model of the MotoX and its XT1058 version. I am currently on KitKat 4.4.2 and it's rooted. I was wondering if I will lose root if I take the OTA update to 4.4.4 and if that is so, is there a way to keep the root on 4.4.4. Thanks!
I second this. Same situation as you (Verizon model) and would like to go 4.4.4 and keep my root.
popcornmeat said:
I have the 2013 model of the MotoX and its XT1058 version. I am currently on KitKat 4.4.2 and it's rooted. I was wondering if I will lose root if I take the OTA update to 4.4.4 and if that is so, is there a way to keep the root on 4.4.4. Thanks!
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If your bootloader is unlocked, yes, you can keep root, though you will need to the reflash supersu.zip (or have twrp automagically do it). Otherwise, no. There is no root available for unlocked 4.4.4. If you don't have an unlocked bootloader, check out the Sunshine thread in the general section.
Is your X an ATT XT1058? If not, you should be able to unlock for free through Moto (there are a number of threads around on doing so). For you @EpicBlob, since you are using a Verizon XT1060, if it isn't the Dev Edition, Sunshine is your only option now and is $25 to use.
Kind of, if root is hidden via superSU you can take the ota & then use sunshine. But why risk it.
As I recall, you can keep root but you will loose write access to system. This means if you use root to modify anything, it wont stick after a reboot. I would advise against it unless you have an unlocked bootloader.
If you have a custom recovery, you need to flash your stock recovery first also. ?
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If you have a custom recovery, you need to flash your stock recovery first also. ?
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Where can I find the stock recovery for XT1052 running 4.4.4... tried alot couldnt find it......can u point me...???
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As I recall, you can keep root but you will loose write access to system. This means if you use root to modify anything, it wont stick after a reboot. I would advise against it unless you have an unlocked bootloader.
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I have an AT&T XT1058 too, my but i had my BL unlocked through sunshine.
I am still on 4.4, but now that i have my BL unlocked, i want to update to 4.4.4. Why do you say that i can keep the root but i will loose write access to system?
Can't i restore it?
Minato04 said:
I have an AT&T XT1058 too, my but i had my BL unlocked through sunshine.
I am still on 4.4, but now that i have my BL unlocked, i want to update to 4.4.4. Why do you say that i can keep the root but i will loose write access to system?
Can't i restore it?
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You didn't mention you had an unlocked bootloader.
If it were me, I would RSD back to stock 4.4, take the OTA's to 4.4.4, flash recovery, flash root. (Only if you have an unlocked bootloader of course. )
I would just find the 4.4.4 AT&T sbf/fxz and flash it manually instead of taking OTAs.
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I have the 2013 model of the MotoX and its XT1058 version. I am currently on KitKat 4.4.2 and it's rooted. I was wondering if I will lose root if I take the OTA update to 4.4.4 and if that is so, is there a way to keep the root on 4.4.4. Thanks!
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I second this. Same situation as you (Verizon model) and would like to go 4.4.4 and keep my root.
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Sorry I'm joining late... But...
If your bootloader is LOCKED (Standard on the ATT XT1058, and Verizon XT1060), then do not upgrade to 4.4.4. You will lose Root. The vulnerabilities exploited by Pie and Towel have been patched in 4.4.4, and you will not be able to re-root.
However, If while on 4.4.2 or lower you have unlocked your bootloader by either using Sunshine, or purchasing an Unlock Code from the China Middle man when available (the only two options to unlock the bootloader on the ATT XT1058 and Verizon XT1060 non-developer edition), you will likely lose root taking the update, but can re-root after 4.4.4 is on your phone.
To take OTA, you need stock recovery on your phone, and to be as close to stock as possible (so the OTA's preflash validation check doesn't fail). After the OTA is installed, flash TWRP, reboot-bootloader and enter TWRP.
The other option is to download the 4.4.4 SBF from one of the sites listed in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-tip-web-sites-official-leaked-roms-t2923347 and flash your phone with it via RSDLite or mFastboot. After flashing, use mFastboot to flash TWRP recovery, reboot-bootloader, then enter TWRP.
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I have rooted every phone i've had and for some reason the MOTO X is confusing me! The phone is a bone stock developers Ed. 4.2.2 pre camera.
I am confused as to which jcase method to use or if there is another option.
I am guessing PwnMyMoto 1.4.3 verizon. but i'm not sure.
Any help would be fantastic.
Thanks,
J
ejason said:
I have rooted every phone i've had and for some reason the MOTO X is confusing me! The phone is a bone stock developers Ed. 4.2.2 pre camera.
I am confused as to which jcase method to use or if there is another option.
I am guessing PwnMyMoto 1.4.3 verizon. but i'm not sure.
Any help would be fantastic.
Thanks,
J
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PwnMyMoto and jcase's methods are for locked bootloaders. You first need to unlock your bootloader. Then you need to decide if you want to take the OTA to 4.4 or not because once you upgrade to 4.2.2 post-camera, you can never downgrade to 4.2.2 pre-camera without bricking your device.
If you want to upgrade to 4.4, here are the instructions to unlock and gain root:
[STEP-BY-STEP INSTRUCTIONS] Unlocking and Rooting a Dev Ed Moto X Running Kit Kat
I have read of others who kept the 4.2.2 bootloader and other partitions and just selectively flashed those partitions they wanted as each new upgrade's sbf firmware was released. I don't know what advantages there are to doing that.
ejason said:
I have rooted every phone i've had and for some reason the MOTO X is confusing me! The phone is a bone stock developers Ed. 4.2.2 pre camera.
I am confused as to which jcase method to use or if there is another option.
I am guessing PwnMyMoto 1.4.3 verizon. but i'm not sure.
Any help would be fantastic.
Thanks,
J
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It's a Developer Edition. Take all the updates available (4.2.2 camera update, 4.4 and now 4.4.2). Get the unlock code from Motorola and unlock your bootloader. Once that is done, flash twrp recovery and then install root via twrp.
Very simple on Dev Editions just because you can unlock the bootloader and flash an alternate recovery (twrp, cwm, etc..).
I agree. Unlock your bootloader (Doesn't void warranty on Developer Edition), flash TWRP recovery, then boot to TWRP and install/flash SuperSU. And it doesn't matter what ROM version you're running. (there is a TWRP for 4.2.2 and one for 4.4/4.4.2).
As mentioned, the bootloader included in the android versions can prevent you from downgrading the rom version. (i.e. bootloader in 4.4.2 prevents you from downgrading to any previous ROM). Why would you want to downgrade? If you have a locked bootloader, you'd want to downgrade to be able to use the root processes needed when you have a locked bootloader. But if you have an unlocked bootloader, because you can flash an alternate recovery (not possible with locked bootloader) and root no matter what ROM version you have installed, the only reason to downgrade would be if you encounter a bug you can't deal with that isn't present in the older roms.
because 4.4.2 fixes the exchange and bluetooth issues, and doesn't introduce anything new, its suggested you update to 4.4.2 if you have an unlocked boot loader (4.4.2 isn't rootable on locked bootloaders and may not be, so its recommended that those with locked bootloaders who want to root stick with 4.4).
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I agree. Unlock your bootloader (Doesn't void warranty on Developer Edition), flash TWRP recovery, then boot to TWRP and install/flash SuperSU. And it doesn't matter what ROM version you're running. (there is a TWRP for 4.2.2 and one for 4.4/4.4.2).
I didn't know there was a different TWRP for 4.2.2.
As mentioned, the bootloader included in the android versions can prevent you from downgrading the rom version. (i.e. bootloader in 4.4.2 prevents you from downgrading to any previous ROM). Why would you want to downgrade? If you have a locked bootloader, you'd want to downgrade to be able to use the root processes needed when you have a locked bootloader. But if you have an unlocked bootloader, because you can flash an alternate recovery (not possible with locked bootloader) and root no matter what ROM version you have installed, the only reason to downgrade would be if you encounter a bug you can't deal with that isn't present in the older roms.
because 4.4.2 fixes the exchange and bluetooth issues, and doesn't introduce anything new, its suggested you update to 4.4.2 if you have an unlocked boot loader (4.4.2 isn't rootable on locked bootloaders and may not be, so its recommended that those with locked bootloaders who want to root stick with 4.4).
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From what i have read 4.4.2 isn't rootable at all. Even if you have an unlocked bootloader. Is that correct?
Great info, thanks.
I thought that the Verizon DE already had an unlocked bootloader? Or is it like an HTC where i have to go the the MOTOROLA webite and get a code?
I did something like that for an HTC ONE i have on straight talk. I unlocked the bootloader from the HTC website, then installed TWRP, and then rooted and its running a 4.4.2 ROM that is great.
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From what i have read 4.4.2 isn't rootable at all. Even if you have an unlocked bootloader. Is that correct?
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Incorrect. You can do whatever you want with the DE, regardless of what version of Android you're on.
Sent from my Moto X
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I thought that the Verizon DE already had an unlocked bootloader? Or is it like an HTC where i have to go the the MOTOROLA webite and get a code?
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There are directions on a 1 page pamphlet that came with your VZW DE on how to unlock the bootloader.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
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I thought that the Verizon DE already had an unlocked bootloader? Or is it like an HTC where i have to go the the MOTOROLA webite and get a code?
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It is all in that step-by-step link I gave you above.
Ok, so i have my phone unlocked, updated to 4.4 and for some reason i can not flash the TWRP.
I get the error (bootloader) variable not supported!
Any ideas.
I have tried both mfastboot and fastboot and i get nothing.
I also moved all files into another folder and CD into that folder and still the same error.
Can i install the TWRP with goo manager?
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Ok, so i have my phone unlocked, updated to 4.4 and for some reason i can not flash the TWRP.
I get the error (bootloader) variable not supported!
Any ideas.
I have tried both mfastboot and fastboot and i get nothing.
I also moved all files into another folder and CD into that folder and still the same error.
Can i install the TWRP with goo manager?
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did it finish flashing? mine says that when i flash a recovery also, but it flashes.
after you flash it dont reboot, just go into recovery (volume down to move the selection, volume up to execute)
then select reboot system, and it will ask if you want to root.
ejason said:
ok, so i have my phone unlocked, updated to 4.4 and for some reason i can not flash the twrp.
I get the error (bootloader) variable not supported!
Any ideas.
I have tried both mfastboot and fastboot and i get nothing.
I also moved all files into another folder and cd into that folder and still the same error.
Can i install the twrp with goo manager?
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ok, thanks for everyones hellp. Done and done..
I have a unlocked 1058 going to be used under t-mobile. I'm wondering should I root before upgrade to 4.4.4 or vice versa? Pros and Cons?
Doesn't matter one way or another. Unlock bootloader, take OTA or flash manually, flash recovery, flash su.zip, done.
If you root(or have custom recovery) before update you have to flash manually, if you for-go rooting right away you can take the OTA. If you try OTA with custom recovery you'll boot loop (kinda, you start your phone and then it shutsdown to go into recovery after a minute or two). So avoid that if possible.
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I have a unlocked 1058 going to be used under t-mobile. I'm wondering should I root before upgrade to 4.4.4 or vice versa? Pros and Cons?
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By unlocked, you mean SIM unlocked, or Bootloader unlocked (if ATT XT1058 via China Middleman, if Rogers XT1058 or other via Moto web site)?
Take OTA, then root...
Why? To root you need to install custom recovery (like TWRP). To take the OTA you need stock recovery...
So... Root first is Flash TWRP, Root, flash stock recovery, take OTA. Or... Upgrade first would be Take OTA, flash TWRP and root.
If your XT1058 is only SIM unlocked, and not bootloader unlocked, then do not take the OTA as you wont be able to root it.
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By unlocked, you mean SIM unlocked, or Bootloader unlocked (if ATT XT1058 via China Middleman, if Rogers XT1058 or other via Moto web site)?
Take OTA, then root...
Why? To root you need to install custom recovery (like TWRP). To take the OTA you need stock recovery...
So... Root first is Flash TWRP, Root, flash stock recovery, take OTA. Or... Upgrade first would be Take OTA, flash TWRP and root.
If your XT1058 is only SIM unlocked, and not bootloader unlocked, then do not take the OTA as you wont be able to root it.
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You guys are awesome! Thanks!
I haven't don it yet getting all the info I need before hand.
1) After I unlock the bootloader will I be able to flash the most recent update for 4.4.4 or will I just be able to unfreeze the OTA and still keep root?
2) If I loose root since I now have an unlocked bootloader I'm just a SuperSU flash away from root, right?
3) Since I'm still on 4.4.2 will I have any issues if I need to flash back to it?
Anything else I might have missed that is important either from mistakes or just general knowledge I missed would be appreciated. Thanks and Good Night everybody!
Icon000 said:
I haven't don it yet getting all the info I need before hand.
1) After I unlock the bootloader will I be able to flash the most recent update for 4.4.4 or will I just be able to unfreeze the OTA and still keep root?
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After you unlock the bootloader, treat your device like a developer edition. I would just flash the full 4.4.4 image files for your device to bring it up to the latest version without worry of it failing because of modifications you may have made to the system (root, etc..).
2) If I loose root since I now have an unlocked bootloader I'm just a SuperSU flash away from root, right?
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With an unlocked bootloader you can flash an alternate recovery like CWM or TWRP. These recoveries will allow you to flash SuperSU to gain root.
3) Since I'm still on 4.4.2 will I have any issues if I need to flash back to it?
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Just like every other Motorola device (developer or not), you can not flash backwards. If you move to 4.4.4 you can NOT go back to 4.4.2.
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After you unlock the bootloader, treat your device like a developer edition. I would just flash the full 4.4.4 image files for your device to bring it up to the latest version without worry of it failing because of modifications you may have made to the system (root, etc..).
With an unlocked bootloader you can flash an alternate recovery like CWM or TWRP. These recoveries will allow you to flash SuperSU to gain root.
Just like every other Motorola device (developer or not), you can not flash backwards. If you move to 4.4.4 you can NOT go back to 4.4.2.
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Great explanation! :good:
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After you unlock the bootloader, treat your device like a developer edition. I would just flash the full 4.4.4 image files for your device to bring it up to the latest version without worry of it failing because of modifications you may have made to the system (root, etc..).
With an unlocked bootloader you can flash an alternate recovery like CWM or TWRP. These recoveries will allow you to flash SuperSU to gain root.
Just like every other Motorola device (developer or not), you can not flash backwards. If you move to 4.4.4 you can NOT go back to 4.4.2.
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Why do you recommend flashing 4.4.4 over accepting the OTA? I still want to be able to use the additions originally provided by Motorola. I didn't seen a rom built on Moto Stock. Did I miss it?
Flash the stock 4.4.4 ROM that is for your device.
What's better...4.4.2 with patches to make it 4.4.4 (via an OTA) or just the full 4.4.4 (via the full 4.4.4 install) without the need for patching to make it 4.4.4?
Oh well...it looks like there isn't a FULL 4.4.4 for AT&T Moto X released yet....just 4.4.2. Flash the full 4.4.2 then take the OTA update to 4.4.4 and then flash TWRP to get root.
AT&T 4.4.2
http://sbf.droid-developers.org/download.php?device=0&file=849
You can just flash the system.img from the download with mfastboot to revert any changes you did (root, etc..) so that the OTA can be installed successfully. You'll just want to get fully updated before flashing an alternative recovery like TWRP.
I'm running 4.4 on first gen moto x. I am rooted with jcase method (back when it was script only..lol) I have a loss of battery life. I use to be able to run all day and come home with 40ish %.. I've ran a tad over 9 hours today and I'm at 18%. I have had touch screen issues off "center" for example.. If I'm googleing something and I click on first one pops up I may click on the 2nd or 3rd.. I'd I'm on Facebook and I click "like" it at click on the link.. I am thinking of fxzing my phone back to stock and erase it all. But my concern is 1. If it pulls update before I can stop it, is there a root out for it yet? 2nd, I have not had to root my 4.4 is there an easier way now?
Thanks for the help!!
Slapped my Moto
If you're on 4.4, why not use Sunshine to unlock your bootloader? That way, you don't have to worry about your first or second question.
To answer your questions:
1. It won't and even so, you have to choose to install the update.
2. TowelPieRoot.
I highly suggest you pony up the $25 to unlock your bootloader though.
I'm on Verizon..last I knew it was unlockable..
Edit: OK...nvm done a bit of research...this is awesome.. Only issue I'm having is I try to download sunshine and it basically says its corrupt.
Slapped my Moto
OK another ?. I did the su shine unlock and tried to install CM11 and bootlooped so I had to reinstall stock...trying to do root I remember I need reflash 4.2.2 and use slapmymoto etc to regain root then take 4.4 update... But I don't think its out what if I take 4.4.4 will I still have root?!
I've also seen u can use towlpieroot but once u reboot, u lose it...is there a perm solution?
Sent from my XT1060 using xda premium
If you unlocked your bootloader you just flash twrp and it roots for you. Hopefully you didn't brick by flashing a lower firmware.
You can just use the Verizon fxz in the general section to update to 4.4.4 and then root with twrp. You are unlocked, no exploits or towel pie or slapping. Just root forever
Sent from my XT1060
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OK another ?. I did the su shine unlock and tried to install CM11 and bootlooped so I had to reinstall stock...trying to do root I remember I need reflash 4.2.2 and use slapmymoto etc to regain root then take 4.4 update... But I don't think its out what if I take 4.4.4 will I still have root?!
I've also seen u can use towlpieroot but once u reboot, u lose it...is there a perm solution?
Sent from my XT1060 using xda premium
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If sunshine properly unlocked your bootloader, you shouldn't have any issues rooting, no matter what ROM you have on your phone.
Once you unlock your bootloader, you do not need to use SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto or the like, nor do you need MotoWpNoMo.
If you get 4.4.2 or higher on your phone do NOT downgrade!!!
PIE and TowelPieRoot only work on 4.4.2, it does not work on 4.4.4. And it is only a temp root, as with a locked bootloader on 4.4.2 and up, you can't disable write protection.
IF you've used Sunshine to unlock your bootloader then, To ROOT Once you unlocked your bootloader, Download the latest TWRP Recovery from -> http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/234 (under the Download-Fastboot heading) and the latest SuperSU from -> http://download.chainfire.eu/supersu or the latest CWM / TWRP / MobileODIN installable ZIP from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053 and use them while following the instructions in this post -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/step-step-instructions-unlocking-t2649738
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If sunshine properly unlocked your bootloader, you shouldn't have any issues rooting, no matter what ROM you have on your phone.
Once you unlock your bootloader, you do not need to use SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto or the like, nor do you need MotoWpNoMo.
If you get 4.4.2 or higher on your phone do NOT downgrade!!!
PIE and TowelPieRoot only work on 4.4.2, it does not work on 4.4.4. And it is only a temp root, as with a locked bootloader on 4.4.2 and up, you can't disable write protection.
IF you've used Sunshine to unlock your bootloader then, To ROOT Once you unlocked your bootloader, Download the latest TWRP Recovery from -> http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/234 (under the Download-Fastboot heading) and the latest SuperSU from -> http://download.chainfire.eu/supersu or the latest CWM / TWRP / MobileODIN installable ZIP from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053 and use them while following the instructions in this post -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/step-step-instructions-unlocking-t2649738
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Deffinatly good to know..but kind of sucks cu now I won't have a nandroid back up..been using safestrap..lol
Sent from my XT1060 using xda premium
Edit: I already ran slapmymoto and m WP is killed long ago (like 4 months ago) so it's done and gone.. I'm thinking of takeing the 4.4.4 but I want root and only temp root is what I found... unless you know of something I don't?
xpsychox said:
Deffinatly good to know..but kind of sucks cu now I won't have a nandroid back up..been using safestrap..lol
Sent from my XT1060 using xda premium
Edit: I already ran slapmymoto and m WP is killed long ago (like 4 months ago) so it's done and gone.. I'm thinking of takeing the 4.4.4 but I want root and only temp root is what I found... unless you know of something I don't?
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You used MotoWPNoMo to disable write protection. If you upgrade to 4.4.2, you'll likely keep root which was provided by SlapMyMoto, but the vulnerability being exploited by MotoWpNoMo was patched, so write protection will be re-enabled.
On 4.4.2 and up, the only way to disable write protection is unlocking the bootloader.
The Vulnerabilities used to gain root via SlapMyMoto on 4.4, and Pie, TowelPieRoot on 4.4.2 are patched in 4.4.4, and there is no root on 4.4.4 unless you unlock the bootloader and flash a custom recovery to root.
That being said. If you have NEVER upgraded to 4.4.4, you could try Sunshine to unlock your bootloader. Its $25, but it checks if your phone is compatible before it charges you. This thread discusses it -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/request-help-exploit-moto-x-bl-t2828471
And in case you missed the many posts/threads... Once on 4.4.2 or up, DO NOT DOWNGRADE or attempt to downgrade!!!! You will end up with a Brick!! (So this means if you have 4.4.4, you can't downgrade to 4.4.2 or 4.4 to try and use the older exploits/processes.)
that's actually what i did.. lol, thanks though.
Hey all,
Was just wondering if anyone knows how to downgrade the Moto X 2014 (XT1096) from 5.1 to 4.4.4. I ask because I want to root on 4.4.4 and unlock the bootloader.
Thanks
Saffsanity said:
Hey all,
Was just wondering if anyone knows how to downgrade the Moto X 2014 (XT1096) from 5.1 to 4.4.4. I ask because I want to root on 4.4.4 and unlock the bootloader.
Thanks
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As far I know you can't downgrade if your BL is locked because once your BL is on the new version you can't downgrade it and in order to downgrade you need to flash only system via TWRP or Fastboot, both of them only available with unlocked BL. Sorry about that.
I rooted my verizon version using "mofo", it cost $20 though. It allows to flash a rooted stock firmware to the phone. I would recommend to flash the same firmware version as what you're currently running. If you flash an older firmware and also take the OTA updates afterward it may permanently brick the device.
To unlocked the bootloader, I use Sunshine which cost another $25 and needs root.
There are probably some other free ways to root, but these are were quick so I didn't mind paying. There is something called Kingroot, maybe it's enough to run Sunshine, but I don't know.
I've gotten a hold of the files to downgrade to 4.4.4 does anyone know how to flash them in the terminal manually? I'm confused on how to flash the 6 system imgs
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I've gotten a hold of the files to downgrade to 4.4.4 does anyone know how to flash them in the terminal manually? I'm confused on how to flash the 6 system imgs
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They can't be flashed if you have 5.1, it won't let you because the bootloader is locked.