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Does anyone know if these are properly implemented through the APIs? I am aware that the HTC home screen supposedly uses the 3D chip, but nowhere says how.
If it is properly implemented it would be very interesting for developers and gamers alike.
Judging by peoples experiences with DirectDraw at least that API is not accelerated. OpenGL ES is though and Direct3D is probably mapped to Open GL ES calls and would also be accelerated (with some form of, probably slight, performance penalty).
There are two threads in this subforum that are asking for benchmark results from the Diamond but so far none of the current owners seem interested in providing anything.
ill do a benchmark if its easy to do, what program do i use?
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ill do a benchmark if its easy to do, what program do i use?
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http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/benchmark/??en
http://int13.net/gxmark.htm
http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=8287
As far as easy goes you just run the application basically.
Thanks
Ive been trying to run a full spb test on the diamond at default settings and on battery power. It didnt like the word test (seemed to stick at about 90% of opening the alice word doc then looped forever!) and also didnt like the pocket internet explorer test (well it opened opera browser for the test, and didnt like it for some reason!), just running it now with buit in application tests disabled.
Ok First Heres the SPB Benchmark results with "Built in Applications Test" Disabled:
- <benchmark-results>
- <info>
<platform-name>HTC Touch Diamond P3700</platform-name>
<device-name>HTC Diamond</device-name>
<start-date>06.05.2008</start-date>
</info>
- <main-tests>
<fs-largefilewrite>566.700000</fs-largefilewrite>
<fs-largefileread>107.900000</fs-largefileread>
<fs-largefilecopy>679.800000</fs-largefilecopy>
<fs-manyfileswrite>5897.500000</fs-manyfileswrite>
<fs-manyfilesread>429.300000</fs-manyfilesread>
<fs-manyfilescopy>4549.900000</fs-manyfilescopy>
<fs-dirlisting>1334.200000</fs-dirlisting>
<fs-db>756.900000</fs-db>
<grf-ddb>6.670000</grf-ddb>
<grf-dib>25.095000</grf-dib>
<grf-gapi>5.390000</grf-gapi>
<misc-zip>2660.000000</misc-zip>
<misc-jpeg>417.600000</misc-jpeg>
<misc-arkaball>8.140500</misc-arkaball>
<misc-mflops>3578.800000</misc-mflops>
<misc-mops>1001.700000</misc-mops>
<misc-mwips>7229.000000</misc-mwips>
<misc-memcpy>8.449000</misc-memcpy>
</main-tests>
</benchmark-results>
GXMark produced a white screen! i had to reset the device! No Idea whats up there!
Pocket Pc Mark wouldnt do a run on the graphics test, it got to 6/8 test and then locked, had to reset again, sorry!
Thanks for your efforts!
The SPB results are actually very poor unfortunately. Almost too poor, did you have lots of stuff running in the background or anything like that?
Apart from the pure CPU tests (including decompressing a JPEG and a ZIP file which both are very CPU bound as well) both filesystem operations and graphics operations are a lot lower (or at best equal in some cases) to what you would see on a Kaiser for an example..
I think at least we can say with certainty that the GAPI and GDI/DDI drivers are not any better than on the Kaiser, very minor boost due to faster memory and CPU sped can possibly be achieved but that's nothing compared to real hardware acceleration.
I really do hope that the next version of Windows Mobile and the included APIs andate some sort of all around graphics acceleration Video hardware acceleration seems to much like a tack on in current WM and the Diamond seems to be the ultimate proof of that.
the only things running are the default progs in the background like touchflo etc. something has been improved as ackys breakout and bejeweled 2 run beautifully in vga aswell, they ran like **** on my touch cruise (slowdown and stutters) in reality this phone ****s all over the cruise performance wise in games and general use.
One thing that was better on the cruise is the 3g reception which i could get inside my house but not with the diamond.
Tomtom6 displays real nice in vga also but takes a longer time plotting routes, much longer!
Try a psx emulator and see if it runs :]
"I really do hope that the next version of Windows Mobile and the included APIs andate some sort of all around graphics acceleration Video hardware acceleration seems to much like a tack on in current WM and the Diamond seems to be the ultimate proof of that."
it would still require drivers even if ms provided them like in normal windows
doubt ms would pay the coins htc dident
Can anyone with a Diamond please run the Futuremark benchmark as it does an open gl test as well as 2d and more, thanks
http://www.futuremark.com/download/spmarkjavajsr184/
I downloaded the suite (clicked all the tests)
Ran it and heres what i got:
http://service.futuremark.com/orbmobile/projectdetails_spmarkjavaweb.jsp?projectId=23157&projectType=20
Looks like it didnt want to do the 3d test......
This is discouraging. Most of the tests don't run, and those that run give really low results? Sounds familiar. I really don't want this to be yet another great hardware with lackluster software support...
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it would still require drivers even if ms provided them like in normal windows
doubt ms would pay the coins htc dident
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yes of course it would need drivers
but current Windows Mobile seems to be built with the assumption that there will be no specialized graphics hardware (so everything is build to run in software)
desktop windows is built on the assumption that there will be hardware acceleratio for 3D, video playback and even the GUI, I'm hoping windows mobile 7 sports a similiar approach, thus "forcing" manufacturers who want to ship even baseline WM devices to support their hardware with graphics drivers
also something with the underlying framework in windows mobile seems off when it comes to hw accelerated graphics, as I mentioned earlier it feels like a tack on that wasn't planned in the first place
thus even when we have devices with hardware and drivers it still not universally applicable (check the diamond for a perfect example, it has some level of hardware acceleration but it's not general and system wide for whatever reason)
so what I am hoping for is a standardized, general system wide assumption that future WinMo will have graphics hardware just the same as any PC today has some level of hardware acceleration (in effect making it close to impossible for companies like HTC to ship devices with hardware but without drivers)
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I downloaded the suite (clicked all the tests)
Ran it and heres what i got:
http://service.futuremark.com/orbmo...arkjavaweb.jsp?projectId=23157&projectType=20
Looks like it didnt want to do the 3d test......
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Thanks for running the test
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Thanks for running the test
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My Pleasure!
To everyone worrying about gaming and movie performance i wouldnt worry at all,
The latest coreplayer has no lag in high quality films
Ive tried loads of astraware native vga games and they run flawlessly, with soe tweaking as shown on other threads the interface is now ery quick. I wouldnt bother stressing yourselves over the performance as its stellar for the size of the device.
jkr284 said:
My Pleasure!
To everyone worrying about gaming and movie performance i wouldnt worry at all,
The latest coreplayer has no lag in high quality films
Ive tried loads of astraware native vga games and they run flawlessly, with soe tweaking as shown on other threads the interface is now ery quick. I wouldnt bother stressing yourselves over the performance as its stellar for the size of the device.
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640x480 movies? (Coreplayer played those fine up until the latest Kaiser ROM)
3D games or regular 2d ones? (basically all astraware games run just fine on my tytn ii for an example)
I'm not trying to rain on your parade, it just seems as if the Diamond is basically missing the performance some of us thought it to have. (Though that's not to say that the performance is poor)
UPDATE ON CALL OF DUTY: Works absolutely awesome, NOT using minimal settings, i was able to play pretty well. NOTE: Tytn2 and Touch Cruise was NOT able to play due to heavy lag even with minimal settings. Game was perfectly fine, with except with just a small little, not lag, but looks like the rendering was a bit slow as i looked around, when i used hardkeys and stylus at the same time. NOTE: ALL pdas lag in gaming when using hardkeys and joystick at the same time. However, it was minimal, and call of duty was enjoyable to say the least. SO yes, it DOES have graphic accelerators. Proper benchmarks will be done when i have proper time.
UPDATE. SPB benchmark seems to hang. cant run it. hangs at testing word document.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/711698
Baronic said:
UPDATE ON CALL OF DUTY: Works absolutely awesome, NOT using minimal settings, i was able to play pretty well. NOTE: Tytn2 and Touch Cruise was NOT able to play due to heavy lag even with minimal settings. Game was perfectly fine, with except with just a small little, not lag, but looks like the rendering was a bit slow as i looked around, when i used hardkeys and stylus at the same time. NOTE: ALL pdas lag in gaming when using hardkeys and joystick at the same time. However, it was minimal, and call of duty was enjoyable to say the least. SO yes, it DOES have graphic accelerators. Proper benchmarks will be done when i have proper time.
UPDATE. SPB benchmark seems to hang. cant run it. hangs at testing word document.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/711698
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I would love to see a youtube video of COD on the diamond. Can you please post. I would really appreciate it.
hello all
i have a standard xvid clip (640x272) that can only play @ 20.8fps on core player(stock rom) (with itje 10.1 ROM i get 21.3fps)
the same clip plays @ 23.8fps on the touch HD and 24.3 diamond 2(stock ROMs)
i tried so many other clips as benchmarks and its evident that the x1 is constantly %18-%20 slower than other HTC devices with identical specs (cpu and resolution)
can anyone explain this phenomena? i sure hope that there is light at the end of the tunnel
What do you have installed on it? Perhaps some background processes, like panelmanager?
come to think of it, its not just the video that is constantly slower on the x1. its the whole ROM in general (navigating between various wm programs, switching between applications....etc) is clearly much slower on the xperia even though it has the same CPU speeds (just look at an video review of the tp2 or td2 in youtube and you can clearly see how they are much faster)
even the fastest x1 cooked roms are noticeably slower than the HD,td2 and tp2 stock roms
hope SE can do something about that and i hope and i hope our chefs can eventually close the performance gap.
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What do you have installed on it? Perhaps some background processes, like panelmanager?
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its actully a fresh flash (itje 10.1) with only core player installed now not even emails or contacts are added yet
do you get better performance on reasonably good quality XVID dvdrips (close to 640x272 resolutions)
What coreplayer version did you use to test? I can try installing the same and see what I get. Also, what settings?
Same problem here, videos always cease in the first seconds.
By the way, which coreplayer version is the best to use for xperia?
im not facing a bug like F-Styla as it does not suffer from the stuter i just have constant low performance compared to HD and td2
i just benchmarked the video on an ancient HTC macian and i got 39fps!!!!!!! (on qvga resolution though)
using full version of coreplayer 1.3.2
THE GRIZZ said:
im not facing a bug like F-Styla as it does not suffer from the stuter i just have constant low performance compared to HD and td2
i just benchmarked the video on an ancient HTC macian and i got 39fps!!!!!!! (on qvga resolution though)
using full version of coreplayer 1.3.2
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Since I discovered this great app (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467590) never had a problem viewing any video. Great resolution, small size of files, no lags.
However, I heard somewhere that coreplayer can't use hw acceleration on X1. Do not know if that's true also for HTC, but that could explain the performance differences
[email protected] said:
Since I discovered this great app (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467590) never had a problem viewing any video.
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reencoding videos is not really a solution if you ask me
-my understanding that full qtv support is coming with ver2.0
my problem is that why the heck is the x1 so much slower (in everything)than identically specd devices like the HD. is there an easy way to varify that we are runiing at the FULL 528mhz and overclock in case we are not
THE GRIZZ said:
reencoding videos is not really a solution if you ask me
-my understanding that full qtv support is coming with ver2.0
my problem is that why the heck is the x1 so much slower (in everything)than identically specd devices like the HD. is there an easy way to varify that we are runiing at the FULL 528mhz and overclock in case we are not
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Somewhere here in this forum I read that actually the X1 is NOT running at full speed. I know, I have not been really precise... but with a little bit of search you can find out the thread I am talking about.
I think all HTC devices except the original XDA have video sync/playback issues. There are tons of threads on this. Get yourself a PMP to enjoy quality videos.
X1 runs at 400 mhz currently, although the processor is in fact 528 mhz. The downgrade is made in order to save power and lower heat levels. You can check the current speed by installing an app like HomeScreen++.
I would like to see what the X1 can do with the full 528 mhz, but I haven't seen any solution for it so far.
I enjoy perfect quality after I downloaded the app from the front page.
orelsi said:
X1 runs at 400 mhz currently, although the processor is in fact 528 mhz. They downgrade is made in order to save power and lower heat levels. You can check the current speed by installing an app like HomeScreen++.
I would like to see what the X1 can do with the full 528 mhz, but I haven't seen any solution for it so far.
I enjoy perfect quality after I downloaded the app from the front page.
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i got a program that can change clockspeed .. up to 528 , with nice settings like , lower it down @ backlight off , lower it down @ power button
it can still play mp3 at only 62mhz badass phone lol
i had it cooked in my rom Touch X 6.1.2b
programs called nueCPL - ClockSpee v1.2 (Build117)
www.nuerom.com
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/page/nueDynamicClock.aspx
THE GRIZZ said:
reencoding videos is not really a solution if you ask me
-my understanding that full qtv support is coming with ver2.0
my problem is that why the heck is the x1 so much slower (in everything)than identically specd devices like the HD. is there an easy way to varify that we are runiing at the FULL 528mhz and overclock in case we are not
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I experienced the same slowness using Coreplayer, I am using v1.2.5.
After I put a non Touch-flo on the SEX1 I did not have a slow Coreplayer anymore, so I would suggest try a different ROM and see if the problem is still there.
I am using gtrabs wm6.5 rom and I have no problem playing video on Coreplayer without reencoding the video.
souljaboy said:
programs called nueCPL - ClockSpee v1.2 (Build117)
www.nuerom.com
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/page/nueDynamicClock.aspx
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-just installed it
its says im already @528 (not 400mhz). i changed everything to 528mhz on all settings but that did not help in fact for some dumb reason in getting even less performance now @19.18 fps
-installed home screen ++ but im not sure where the settings is to show current speed (will look more after i reflash)
-turned off touchflo3d also didnt help
-this 400MHZ thing seems like a major problem with the X1, are you sure its true? i would imagine a lot of noise and complaints if it were true ?
-will go and flash into a beare bones rom now to see if it helps
souljaboy said:
i got a program that can change clockspeed .. up to 528 , with nice settings like , lower it down @ backlight off , lower it down @ power button
it can still play mp3 at only 62mhz badass phone lol
i had it cooked in my rom Touch X 6.1.2b
programs called nueCPL - ClockSpee v1.2 (Build117)
www.nuerom.com
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/page/nueDynamicClock.aspx
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Thanks! That works to make it feel quite a bit snappier (I know its not scientific, but haven't benchmarked anything)
I am also having a video problem, rather than make new thread I post it here.
Well, not a single HD video plays on my Xperia now, Coreplayer tries to but its so choppy and insane which I now know doesn't use hardware acceleration.
Now after converting the video with Touch HD video converter software, WMP says "The source filter for this file could not be loaded."
I also found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365381
But still nothing at all.
Any solutions? Must I change ROMs to play HD videos?
weird I don't have any problem with video performance, I'm using coreplayer and they just flies!!!!!!!
wazaaappp said:
weird I don't have any problem with video performance, I'm using coreplayer and they just flies!!!!!!!
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thats weird. are sure your video files are good resolution
can you make sure of the resolution of the file. also did you use the benchmarking tool in core player
i changed the rom but im getting the same results
THE GRIZZ said:
-just installed it
its says im already @528 (not 400mhz). i changed everything to 528mhz on all settings but that did not help in fact for some dumb reason in getting even less performance now @19.18 fps
-installed home screen ++ but im not sure where the settings is to show current speed (will look more after i reflash)
-this 400MHZ thing seems like a major problem with the X1, are you sure its true? i would imagine a lot of noise and complaints if it were true ?
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- I think its under ...options - indicators.... IIRC.
- It is major and was talked about quite a lot when the X1 was launched.
DeeChan said:
I am also having a video problem, rather than make new thread I post it here.
Well, not a single HD video plays on my Xperia now, Coreplayer tries to but its so choppy and insane which I now know doesn't use hardware acceleration.
Now after converting the video with Touch HD video converter software, WMP says "The source filter for this file could not be loaded."
I also found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365381
But still nothing at all.
Any solutions? Must I change ROMs to play HD videos?
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I had a similar issue when I messed up my video drivers with something I installed. The only solution was a hard reset.
Hey Everyone
I have been combing this Fourms and there is a lot of stuff but I I have not found a soultion to run SNES and GBA games.
So my HTC (Kaiser) Runs Poorly on SNES and GBA Games. If I un enable the sound SNes Performace does get better, but it is still a little choppy. GBA games either way are choppy.
and of course NES, GB and GBC run very well
I have seen a few people mention they can get theirs to work and I was hoping to get mine up and running as well.
first I am Running WM 6.5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=547754
That cooked version.
Morph Gear Version 2.4.09
after going through all the Posts I have also installed
HTC-CA-Kaiser-Drivers.cab
HTC TI Kaiser Drivers.cab
I was going to try
SJ SamsungOmnia_Driver_D3D.cab (but have not done it yet)
Does anyone have any tips?
IMHO the best speed for emulation can be achived only whith native 6.1 rom whothout superram
obaz said:
IMHO the best speed for emulation can be achived only whith native 6.1 rom whothout superram
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not at all, snesgo is almost full speed with sound on but it only works on qvga screens for now, and it work perfectly regardless of rom used
obaz said:
IMHO the best speed for emulation can be achived only whith native 6.1 rom whothout superram
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Hey, I've been looking to optimize my new Tilt for high-speed gaming/emulation (and applications in general) as well... and to be totally honest, all this about flashing and roms (especially the tutorials) has confused me senseless; however this native ROM you speak of looks like it's what I want.
...could you link me to that ROM?
...and does it have any compatibility issues with the Tilt's keyboard/function keys, or other sorts of connection manager hell I'd have to go through to get it properly working on AT&T's MEdia Net 3G?
yoyoman2 said:
Hey, I've been looking to optimize my new Tilt for high-speed gaming/emulation (and applications in general) as well... and to be totally honest, all this about flashing and roms (especially the tutorials) has confused me senseless; however this native ROM you speak of looks like it's what I want.
...could you link me to that ROM?
...and does it have any compatibility issues with the Tilt's keyboard/function keys, or other sorts of connection manager hell I'd have to go through to get it properly working on AT&T's MEdia Net 3G?
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any last shipped 6.1 rom from wiki you whant. but it was writen before I try snesgo, and I must say - it is the best snes emu ever. runing smooth on on pdacornerXv9. only one bug - I cannt map qwerty as gamepad.
Most emulators were written ages ago. I wouldn't consider any of them anywhere near a finished product. Also, unless you're talking about PSX or N64 emulation, the 3D accelerator won't increase the frame rate. Though, it could make the graphics look smoother and sharper, without making the game slower.
3D acceleration is just a mess on the Kaiser as well. Most applications are looking for a Nvidia, PowerVR, or Xscale to even run. Even still, more roms come with superram, which prevents the use of proper 3D drivers. I myself am still in the process of trying to find a clean WM6.5 rom, without superram.
Dukenukemx
nes, snes or sega is not 3d-game console. so not of any 3d drivers neded at all. it is all about 2d.
obaz, that's what I said.
Hi every1..
Has any one here tried FPSECE on Omnia i8000..
If yes.. then can some 1 plz give a instruction guide step by step.. from installation to configuration.. and key mapping..
i hope that i can put external link...
www .youtube.com/watch?v=RCqfG5DleZY
on Omnia2 it doesn't run so smoothly...
Thanks for that link.. I have checked various tube videos running PSP games.. I am actually looking for a setup guide for our Omnia..
fpsece is the best app ever developed for winmo
i have fpsece .10 on my i920 working quite well, maybe not as well as a 1ghz snapdragon but whatcha gonna do... anyway installation is easy just install the cab, load some roms on ur phone or card and place a good bios file in the bios folder in /program files/ fpsece/ bios. setting up virtual keys should be pretty simple just open the app click on the virtual keys tab, click where u want it on screen and choose which button u want to place there. fpsece is the best app around for winmo and version .10 is leaps and bounds ahead of previous versions. if u like it u should definately donate to the devs., plus u will recieve some extra features like save and load states. if u have any more questions or problems i'll be glad to answer as best i can, there's also tons of support and advice at fpsece.net/forum2
Thanks every1..
I got it to run on my Omnia 2.. was unable to change to potrait from landscape mode.. but workaround it using Graytor..
However when I play Tekken 3 the FPS is just 14.. very slow..
NE1 knows how to increase FPS.. my CPU is set to high performance...
hey guys,
is there a way to increase FPS..!
Most of my games run on low FPS. I have seen videos for Omnia 1 and the fps is more than I am getting it on my Omnia 2..
Because Omnia 1 processor/drivers are faster
Omnia 2 has 800mhz processor which is faster than Omnia 1
Can i Increase the Glyph cache to get more FPS..
I mean increase Glyph cache to 4194304 from HKLM\SYSTEM\GDI\GLYPHCACHE\limit
Will it work..?
Hi Sorry for Complaining even though I'm just a newbie. This is actually my first post( but i've been able to take and take things that are available here). I was able to test a lot of custom roms but one thing I noticed is that the roms may have been great in some aspect of speed and stability (Some applications work now and fewer crash etc..) But The roms can't run most of my old movies/videos without lags and pixelations and even if I try to convert new movies to the same format they still completely lag
Please I don't really want to complain, I know you were doing great work but I really like your roms but I also want to make a portable movie player.
Please forgive me for being so rude.
Thanks, anyway probably this has something to do with the old Hardware acceleration drivers that the original roms has. Sorry to bother you all.
Right now I tried to install the generic r3aa uk rom from here but the customization doesn't finish it just stops when the progress bar is full and when i soft-reset the process starts from the beginning again.
what kind of custom rom that you cannot play old movie... and what format video that your old movie had....
the movie is mp4 compressed like the deafult james bond movie. I actually use the barebone winmo 6.5 and the movie plays fine with less lags and I'll say thanks for providing the barebone 6.5. I think speed and stability is better than eyecandy. No more sleep of deaths, less crash and closing of opera and stability with working of programs. what is eyecandy without useability? enough said, I'll just try to install things one by one and see what make things slow and i will report it here.
That's exactly why I use the stock 6.1 rom. It might look oldschool but it simply works. For me functionality is what counts.
6.1 stock rom seems better.
Yeah i guess the stock rom (6.1) is better but barebone 6.5 seem to make videos atleast playable.
using stock 6.1 no problem... and i dont want to experiment on things, since i'm juz a user her. ^_^
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the movie is mp4 compressed like the deafult james bond movie. I actually use the barebone winmo 6.5 and the movie plays fine with less lags and I'll say thanks for providing the barebone 6.5. I think speed and stability is better than eyecandy. No more sleep of deaths, less crash and closing of opera and stability with working of programs. what is eyecandy without useability? enough said, I'll just try to install things one by one and see what make things slow and i will report it here.
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i have an energy ROM with sense 2018 and i have no problems playing any movies. what u can do is try installing core player. see if that does the trick. even on custom ROMs ur phone should not lag. perhaps you have some memory intensive program running in the background? either that or the frame rate of the movie might be too high for the x1.