recall of "made in china" ATK branded battery in galaxy tab (affect non-korean too?)
About two months ago my tab died. I'm a foreigner in korea so I went down to my local samsung electronics service centre (sec.co.kr). After talking shop with the service engineer he opened up that there was a silent recall on all made in china "ATK" prefixed model number batteries which I had. The battery was tossed in the trash can showing there is NO returns / credit (RA) arrangement with the chinese manufacturing contractor or the relationship had gone sour, but this is just speculation on my part.
The replacement battery is a korean model that seems to have diminished capacity after the wear-in period (like others have reported). It is well known that samsung, hyundai and other korean conglomerates sell second class products to its own countryfolk whilst only supplying top notch components on export orders. Let's test this theory. How many of you who dared to open your galaxy tab export models have chinese made batteries?
I kept a log of battery performance under my new and former batteries.
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you'll be surprise that CHINA now the only country that made the original stuff and not to forgot the FACT that its also the #1 country who made the fake stuff
1- Cheap workers ...
2- ELECTRONIC Stuff are cheap
3- Intelligent Country
China now rolling the world by ELEC
Lets all hail China the land of fake brand knockoffs. They probably mixed up the genuine and fake batches with their OEM. Halarious! Go to china and try to buy a genuine electronic replacement battery or flash memory. Odds are you are buying a ghost shift fake. If china is so good why don't they design their own products like the koreans do. Their "dragon" mips knockoff cpu is a slow start.
Seriously guys. Its big news when a major handset is affected by a faulty component, or at least it was for the iphone 4. Now to assertain if this recall is for korean inferior product for domestic consumption with easy access to service facilities or their chinese cost cutting measure didn't pay dividends globally. Anyone got ATK branded batteries in overseas tabs? That's the issue here not how the chinese socialists peg their yuan to the us dollar to undermine the us manufacturing base (aka war machine) to overtake america as a super power. Reminds me of australia selling steal and iron ore to the japanese before it came back as bombs on darwin.
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Im surprised there is no feedback. Someone PM rotohammer and ask him in the tabs he opened up to get JTAG working did he see a made in China ATK model battery. I used to work tec support for the now defunct daewoo electronics and it is no secret in the industry that OEMs will not own up to a product recall publically if they can help it and clean up the mess through their affiliated (or in house in Korea) service centres.
In case you dont yet get my drift this could be as big a scandal as the iphone 4 ariel defect that samsung capitalized on in the UK giving free galaxy S es to unhappy iphone users willing to blog their complaints online.
Does your tab have a defective battery? After 3-9 months your phone could refuse to start from a cold boot if defective and have very limited capacity compared to quality lithium-ion batteries. Samsung got screwed by their chinese subcontractor and don't want to clean up the mess if they can help it by keeping the userbase in the dark until they are all out of warranty.
That's why some of you need to check your battery model - especially early adopters.
Luke
Aussie expat exiled in South Korea
Google "burnpassport" for the youtube vid to see why.
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hojuruku said:
Im surprised there is no feedback. Someone PM rotohammer and ask him in the tabs he opened up to get JTAG working did he see a made in China ATK model battery. I used to work tec support for the now defunct daewoo electronics and it is no secret in the industry that OEMs will not own up to a product recall publically if they can help it and clean up the mess through their affiliated (or in house in Korea) service centres.
In case you dont yet get my drift this could be as big a scandal as the iphone 4 ariel defect that samsung capitalized on in the UK giving free galaxy S es to unhappy iphone users willing to blog their complaints online.
Does your tab have a defective battery? After 3-9 months your phone could refuse to start from a cold boot if defective and have very limited capacity compared to quality lithium-ion batteries. Samsung got screwed by their chinese subcontractor and don't want to clean up the mess if they can help it by keeping the userbase in the dark until they are all out of warranty.
That's why some of you need to check your battery model - especially early adopters.
Luke
Aussie expat exiled in South Korea
Google "burnpassport" for the youtube vid to see why.
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WTF wrong now ? ? ? why you asking someone to ask someone for u ?
u got the F>>< pm function use it by yourself ... and thank you for stopping PM me ....... .
K0sh: U don't speaky no englishe.
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hojuruku said:
K0sh: U don't speaky no englishe.
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Of course Kosh is not englishman-read his signature....
bongski55 said:
Of course Kosh is not englishman-read his signature....
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Yeah lets just ignore him. The issue here is with all galaxy tab "7 models. The issue is not chinese people (like kosh) but the products they make more inexpensive through their lower wages and low exchange rate pegged to the dollar that was even too cost compeditive for samsung to refuse. I guess samsung has to competete with the iphone that's made under contact by Foxconn who's workers are committing suacide in droves (including R&D staff) according to local news reports. Yes I once lived in china.
Surey a few xda developers have seen a galaxy tab with it's back cover removed! Does the battery's model number have "ATK" marked on it and the infamous words "MADE IN CHINA"? If so I'm telling you your battery is faulty and there is a recall on it in Korea
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My new battery isn't much better. Running on stock rom for a month with minimal applications I noticed the standby time was reducing.... I have to carry a battery pack in my backpack these days to get by.
Bump.... Has anyone oversees had a battery death or heard of defective chinese batteries stuck in overseas models?
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Just talked to a guy at the Verizon store. He said they had a Note 4 and a Note Edge in the back. His display guy told him they would be out on the floor on Friday and they would have a full demo Gear VR set up too, but he did not know when on that.
for verizon? i'm calling BS. reps don't know what they're talking about typically. the 9/26 date is for south korea, not north america.
edit: do you mean for purchase, or to check out on display?
Respectfully, Mega BS.
I think he meant display.
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Please look through just this forum for evidence that store employees are the least reliable sources of info and are usually the LAST to know anything.
BS, I work for a carrier and we only receive the phones maximum 1 day before official launch. For the Iphone we didn't even have an official price/date till 2 days before launch.
Yea. Sorry, but this is BS
It may not be; I was at best buy a few days ago, and there was a regional sls mgr from samsung in their "Samsung lifestyle" store; he said that DEFINITELY several stores will have models ON DISPLAY, but NOT for sale this Friday, so that most likely will be the case.
I didn't ask him when they would start actually SELLING them though
Just got a new job at another Verizon indirect, I'll let you guys know
duykhang524 said:
BS, I work for a carrier and we only receive the phones maximum 1 day before official launch. For the Iphone we didn't even have an official price/date till 2 days before launch.
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I never said anything about having boxes of phones out for sale on Friday. I said he had a (singular) Note 4 and Edge in the back that would be on display on Friday and that was told to him by the guy who is supposed to come in and set up the display. The day the phones go on sale has not changed, 10/23.
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Surely , this can be discussed amicably in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/launch-date-moved-t2885763
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So those of us who ordered from the Samsung Store before the online ordering was available thinking we would get our phones early have been disappointed as the date has shifted and we missed getting the Free Gear Fit which was for online orders only. Please complain as this seems unfair for us Samsung devoted customers.
jah said:
So those of us who ordered from the Samsung Store before the online ordering was available thinking we would get our phones early have been disappointed as the date has shifted and we missed getting the Free Gear Fit which was for online orders only. Please complain as this seems unfair for us Samsung devoted customers.
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Unfortunately i do not think they care.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note-4-uk-599-03-10-2014-t2871938
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Does anyone know the current Note 5 sales figures / volume / number?
The closest thing I could find is a comparison of its sales compared to the Note 6+ Edge but no concrete numbers.
I wonder if Samsung is keeping silent on the numbers because sales are disappointing?
If sales were record-breaking, I'm sure they would market it and love to throw it in Apple's face.
I'd like to know, too. the new iPhone sales and availability has been crazy than what I remember with the Note5 after release.
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I have heard the Note 5 sales were hurt because they did not offer it in Europe (yet).
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KruseLudsMobile said:
I have heard the Note 5 sales were hurt because they did not offer it in Europe (yet).
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I can see that happening
KruseLudsMobile said:
I have heard the Note 5 sales were hurt because they did not offer it in Europe (yet).
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Why was it not offered in Europe?
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Why was it not offered in Europe?
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We may never know the real reasons. Officially, it was said Europeans are not that fond of a stylus and they would prefer the Edge+. I do remember, after a rather modest commercial start, the first Note got its success in great part from the European market.
When Apple finally announces a stylus for their iPad after explaining it was useless and after adopting the Note format they said was not a niche, I simply don't understand the strategy of Samsung.
However, rumors meet for an European version very soon.
Raspail said:
We may never know the real reasons. Officially, it was said Europeans are not that fond of a stylus and they would prefer the Edge+. I do remember, after a rather modest commercial start, the first Note got its success in great part from the European market.
When Apple finally announces a stylus for their iPad after explaining it was useless and after adopting the Note format they said was not a niche, I simply don't understand the strategy of Samsung.
However, rumors meet for an European version very soon.
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Samsung needs some confidence and direction. Stop trying to copy Apple. Apple sucks.
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Samsung needs some confidence and direction. Stop trying to copy Apple. Apple sucks.
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Ha ha ha. I totally agree about the whole apple thing. Samsung should have called their new note the inote 5. Lol
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Why was it not offered in Europe?
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I just saw an announcement it will be for sale in europe in Jan '16
let's wait till December to get a good figure...
http://www.cnet.com/news/samsungs-smartphone-shipments-to-see-first-ever-annual-decline/
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We may never know the real reasons. Officially, it was said Europeans are not that fond of a stylus and they would prefer the Edge+. I do remember, after a rather modest commercial start, the first Note got its success in great part from the European market.
When Apple finally announces a stylus for their iPad after explaining it was useless and after adopting the Note format they said was not a niche, I simply don't understand the strategy of Samsung.
However, rumors meet for an European version very soon.
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As a European resident i'd find it more likely we don't want to be fooled be Samsung in giving us an inferior Note.
Just look at the previous iterations. Especially the 1, 2 and 3. They were by FAR the best/fastest/most loaded smartphones out at the time.
The current Note 5 is just an S6 edge plus with a pen (and acompaniing apps).
And im (as a note fan) completly disgusted by this...
Obviously if you don't like the note 5, then don't buy it. No need to be 'disgusted'.
It is just a phone...
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HanZie82 said:
As a European resident i'd find it more likely we don't want to be fooled be Samsung in giving us an inferior Note.
Just look at the previous iterations. Especially the 1, 2 and 3. They were by FAR the best/fastest/most loaded smartphones out at the time.
The current Note 5 is just an S6 edge plus with a pen (and acompaniing apps).
And im (as a note fan) completly disgusted by this...
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As some one who actually owns the phone, it's night and day faster than my Note 4.
The fact the edge plus and note 5 are very similar disgusts you? I need your life if that's all it takes to disgust you.
Some of you guys need to think more like consumers and less like scorned fanboys expecting special treatment because once you defended the honor of TouchWiz in a comment thread of and apple product.
Also how is Samsung trying to be like apple?
There was mention that sales were hurting because they opted to not offer the note 5 in Europe. What is being ignored is while they are missing out on sales in Europe, they are also not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to Europe. So looking at units sold compared to last year and not actually looking at the bottom line is kind of short sighted and looks to be bias confirmation for some people.
Not saying sales will be better but for the sake of discussion look at the whole picture.
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As some one who actually owns the phone, it's night and day faster than my Note 4.
The fact the edge plus and note 5 are very similar disgusts you? I need your life if that's all it takes to disgust you.
Some of you guys need to think more like consumers and less like scorned fanboys expecting special treatment because once you defended the honor of TouchWiz in a comment thread of and apple product.
Also how is Samsung trying to be like apple?
There was mention that sales were hurting because they opted to not offer the note 5 in Europe. What is being ignored is while they are missing out on sales in Europe, they are also not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to Europe. So looking at units sold compared to last year and not actually looking at the bottom line is kind of short sighted and looks to be bias confirmation for some people.
Not saying sales will be better but for the sake of discussion look at the whole picture.
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Wow, you make assumptions like you're a pro. Too bad they're wrong.
It's disgusting that their flagship line of products are now the same as the mass-consumer product.
But i understand if you don't get it tho. Understanding what people mean can be hard sometimes.
HanZie82 said:
Wow, you make assumptions like you're a pro. Too bad they're wrong.
It's disgusting that their flagship line of products are now the same as the mass-consumer product.
But i understand if you don't get it tho. Understanding what people mean can be hard sometimes.
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Lol so you are telling me that the Galaxy S6 isn't a flagship but a "mass-consumer product"? And it disgusts you that they used the same internals in the Note. LOL here we go..
First, before the Note Series existed, the S series was and is the defacto "flagship for Samsung". Keep in mind the Note started as a very niche product never intended to reach the number of sales that their flagship S Series did.
Do yourself a favor and search "Samsung flag ship" in google.. better yet let me do it for you:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Samsung+Flag+Ship
Please tell me what device occupies the majority of those results. I know this is simple but Im sure its more logic than you put into your response as an over privileged consumer elitist that can't be bothered with less than "flagship" quality..
Now that we have defined loosely what a "flagship" device is lets look at your reason for disgust. You're mad because a publicly traded company decided to save some money by not designing a whole new chipset and used one that exists and works. Not to mention that same disgustingly mediocre chip set is night and day faster than the last Note and killing it with a smaller battery.. Everything is faster, every, thing.. Some people will never be happy and swear the internet was created to gripe about the smallest things..
Also yes it is very hard to understand someone that attempts to articulate their confirmatory bias with ambiguous hype terms like "flagship" and "mass-consumer product". The hilarious thing is you think those two terms are not homogeneous in this use case.. :good:
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There was mention that sales were hurting because they opted to not offer the note 5 in Europe. What is being ignored is while they are missing out on sales in Europe, they are also not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to Europe. S
Not saying sales will be better but for the sake of discussion look at the whole picture.
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That's a good point indeed. May be they should save even more bucks by not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to the whole world.
I love music and books with a long commute to and from work when I want media on my phone.
I could live with a fixed battery but microSD is a must. I know other real users in a similar situation and it is with sadness that the Samsung phones can no longer meet my needs.
At the launch event a statement was made that Samsung listened to their users....... I have to question that statement.
I hope the next phones reintroduce SD support if I can wait that long........
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I love music and books with a long commute to and from work when I want media on my phone.
I could live with a fixed battery but microSD is a must. I know other real users in a similar situation and it is with sadness that the Samsung phones can no longer meet my needs.
At the launch event a statement was made that Samsung listened to their users....... I have to question that statement.
I hope the next phones reintroduce SD support if I can wait that long........
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Just flew 6 hours from California to Maryland. Didn't have an issue storing enough music/podcasts on my device. Barely listened to half of it. A commute longer than that?
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Just flew 6 hours from California to Maryland. Didn't have an issue storing enough music/podcasts on my device. Barely listened to half of it. A commute longer than that?
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The point is that people take Pictures and Videos. Over time, that takes up more and more storage, especially with quality and megapixels going up.
I have 60gb just in pictures and videos from the past 4+years. Just because people get new phones every 2 years doesn't mean they delete their old photo albums and start fresh. All those old memories pile up..
32gb on a phone isn't going to cut it. And I don't want to delete my old memories or upload them to the cloud and have to pay a monthly fee just to access them when I can buy a 128gb micro SD card for $45. Plus, I don't have to worry about having a solid LTE Signal. Plus, I can access a memory card in places where I get no service at all, like on a cruise ship or in a foreign country.
I need a swappable battery. I'm at Disney World and almost every here is walking around with their phones shackled to an external battery charger. It's so much easier to just carry a thin spare. It takes <30 seconds to swap and go from 0% to 100%.
Ok. You need those things, so you will need to buy a different phone...
Not everyone has the same needs, and samsung isn't designing the phone to meet everyone's needs - they are designing it to meet what they think the majority needs are and will sell.
It ok get a different phone. That's why they make different phones...
Is like being mad that you can only fit 5 people in a sedan, because got need to fit 7...
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Why is this model as well as many others not produced in the USA version (with the "U" and "U1" at the end of the model number)? Doesn't Samsung want to make more money when USA customers have access to more models?
Not sure but homologation might be an issue here, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_approval
Means they need to test every phone and they might not deem it worth the effort to do so. And, quite frankly, I think Samsung already makes the most out of it already. Flooding any market with even more models (and the lineup changes every 1-2 yrs) might not increase their profits in NA.
Finally, I think the golden age of cell phone hysteria is over - any phone above 200 bucks will do just nicely for years and one can easily skip two or even three "generations".
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Not sure but homologation might be an issue here, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_approval
Means they need to test every phone and they might not deem it worth the effort to do so. And, quite frankly, I think Samsung already makes the most out of it already. Flooding any market with even more models (and the lineup changes every 1-2 yrs) might not increase their profits in NA.
Finally, I think the golden age of cell phone hysteria is over - any phone above 200 bucks will do just nicely for years and one can easily skip two or even three "generations".
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And all this applies just for the USA?
I don't know, was just trying to think of any reasons for Samsung...
Some years ago I had the same thought like you about Samsung and others in EU when I saw how many good but cheap models were available in India but not europe.