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Anyone know anything about phone camera sensors?
Wondering if it's a hardware- or software-limitation that stopping us from shooting in RAW rather than JPG.
Can't seem to find anything remotely close to a whitepaper regarding the technology.
I think Android OS doesn't allow saving raw files taken by the camera.
Furthermore, since each cell phone could mount different sensors, each brand would have to develop a lot of drivers to save in raw and provide "album app" with drivers to be able to read them.
In addition, raw files are so heavy that they need more time to be saved (slower camera app).
Most of people uses the phone for take and shot pics, almost anybody is really interested in the extra quality provided by raw... Even usually compact cameras can't shoot in raw mode, and I know some people who own a dslr and still shoot in jpg...
I would love shooting in raw mode too, but I think it's a huge utopia.
there have been several android based devices that allow shooting in RAW, the Z seems to be restricted by its driver..\
you can shoot with uncompressed png in some software, but other than upping the file size it doesn't do a lot to improve the quality.
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there have been several android based devices that allow shooting in RAW, the Z seems to be restricted by its driver..\
you can shoot with uncompressed png in some software, but other than upping the file size it doesn't do a lot to improve the quality.
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Could you tell me one of that android based deviced which allow shooting in RAW? :S
Is RAW a better extension (higher quality) than JPG and PNG then?
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Is RAW a better extension (higher quality) than JPG and PNG then?
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Yes,it's a file created directly from the cmos or ccd without any software manipulation.
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Don't doubt what you fellas are saying, though you have to admit that - despite the lack of a dedicated imaging engine supporting the sensor - the speed of the inbuilt NAND and the capabilities of the S4 shouldn't really preclude the Z from managing this (surely better than the most capable Cybershot).
Admittedly (or I'd gladly accept) there'd be a lack of modes like panorama and burst, but that's of little bother when framing a single portrait or landscape shot. Would be great (a pipedream?) if they could implement it...might give PureView a run for it's money (personally think UltraPixels are a non-starter, but Sigma made it work with Foveon so there may still be some legs in it).
Can continue to hope, I s'pose.
Guys, it's a tiny phone sensor. Not even most compact cameras can shoot in RAW. It just doesn't have much use for a phone.
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Guys, it's a tiny phone sensor. Not even most compact cameras can shoot in RAW. It just doesn't have much use for a phone.
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My low end HTC Incredible S could shoot RAW....
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Guys, it's a tiny phone sensor. Not even most compact cameras can shoot in RAW. It just doesn't have much use for a phone.
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Beg to differ. Reckon by having the direct sensor output rather than anything post-processed we'd end up with a few happier folk in these forums.
And given the additional data there'd be more room for movement using the likes of Snapseed and Photoshop Touch while mobile.
Not intending for this to replace any dedicated equipment, but the only good camera is the one on you: if you can score that perfect moment with only your phone, the opportunity to do so with the greatest amount of raw data will make up for some of the deficiencies of the sensor, allowing for post-processing on the desktop.
We gave our Nexus 5 in the hands of a photographer (friend of mine) for a month, and this is what we get!
Very impressive!
http://www.androidworld.it/2014/01/...i-di-un-fotografo-il-nostro-test-foto-209321/
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We gave our Nexus 5 in the hands of a photographer (friend of mine) for a month, and this is what we get!
Very impressive!
http://www.androidworld.it/2014/01/...i-di-un-fotografo-il-nostro-test-foto-209321/
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Knowing a thing or two about taking picture taking results in some impressive pictures.
Whodathunkit!
Cirkustanz said:
Knowing a thing or two about taking picture taking results in some impressive pictures.
Whodathunkit!
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yup
There's some pretty severe pink-camera-problem going on in the center of most of the photos.
Wow, these look great.
Getting excited to see if I'll be able to get shots which look are remotely as good
and you had to get a photographer for those shots? :laugh:
anyways, OP has "generating clicks" written all over it.
Nice shots! I especially like how well OIS works on the n5 when taking videos too, much better than the n4.
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There's some pretty severe pink-camera-problem going on in the center of most of the photos.
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I think that issue is pretty common these days, you camera might even produce those with the very same conditions.
Nice Pic's, probably could have been a litter better if it was from a White N5
Grande ciso!
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I think that issue is pretty common these days, you camera might even produce those with the very same conditions.
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My N4 has it as well, I agree, but not to the extent as observed in those photos.
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Nice Pic's, probably could have been a litter better if it was from a White N5
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O_O explain
biscuitownz said:
O_O explain
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Auto correct. Little. White N5's are better than the black ones
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Auto correct. Little. White N5's are better than the black ones
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How are they a little better?
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We gave our Nexus 5 in the hands of a photographer (friend of mine) for a month, and this is what we get!
Very impressive!
http://www.androidworld.it/2014/01/...i-di-un-fotografo-il-nostro-test-foto-209321/
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I am assuming that your friend bit**ed and moaned about the lack of manual shutter speed and aperture control, default camera app (awful), and in general lack of a manual mode (which is how most pros shoot- manually setting everything).
Disclaimer: I'm a photographer (not the 'I have a DSLR and use AUTO mode and press this thingy' photographer, the 'I have my own successful business' kind) and the lack of manual shutter & aperture is beyond frustrating to me. Sure there are (mostly worthless) apps that give you some control of ISO, WB, burst mode, etc., but without those vital exposure controls (shutter and aperture) to me all smartphone cameras will suck.
I know, I know. It's not a pro level slr... it's a phone...
Of course having stunning locations always helps.
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I am assuming that your friend bit**ed and moaned about the lack of manual shutter speed and aperture control, default camera app (awful), and in general lack of a manual mode (which is how most pros shoot- manually setting everything).
Disclaimer: I'm a photographer (not the 'I have a DSLR and use AUTO mode and press this thingy' photographer, the 'I have my own successful business' kind) and the lack of manual shutter & aperture is beyond frustrating to me. Sure there are (mostly worthless) apps that give you some control of ISO, WB, burst mode, etc., but without those vital exposure controls (shutter and aperture) to me all smartphone cameras will suck.
I know, I know. It's not a pro level slr... it's a phone...
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While I agree with you that the default camera app is incredibly awful and lacks many controls, mobile phones are replacing point and shoot cameras, not DSLRs or micro 4/3. Also, most people use photos nowadays for stupid web shots/social/ready-made-filters etc and not for printing or cropping and zooming for the perfect frame.
I replaced my Cannon P&S since I had the HTC One X two years ago, but no mobile will ever replace my Fuji X-A1
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(which is how most pros shoot- manually setting everything).
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I don't disagree with you on anything but this - most modern SLR pros I know (less than 100, but many more than 10) do NOT shoot all manual. Most may shoot A-priority or S-priority, or use P mode and wheel their way to the desired blend, but only landscape, product or portrait shooters really can practically go all manual, all the time - you need non-moving subjects and somewhat consistent lighting to rock all manual and get a decent return on your shots.
And let's be fair, manual shooting modes do not make better pictures: better photographers make better pictures.
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While I agree with you that the default camera app is incredibly awful and lacks many controls, mobile phones are replacing point and shoot cameras, not DSLRs or micro 4/3. Also, most people use photos nowadays for stupid web shots/social/ready-made-filters etc and not for printing or cropping and zooming for the perfect frame.
I replaced my Cannon P&S since I had the HTC One X two years ago, but no mobile will ever replace my Fuji X-A1
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I know this and agree with you entirely, but I do have an old Polaroid P&S that allows me to set the shutter speed (like from 1/30-1/200, but no aperture control) and that thing is 5+ years old now. But yeah, the need to own a P&S is mostly non-existent with how good smartphone cameras are getting now. It still wouldn't stop me from griping about the things I mentioned if someone gave me a smartphone to take photos with the expectation of delivering pro quality work though (OP was 'I gave my phone to my pro friend to see what he/she could do').
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I don't disagree with you on anything but this - most modern SLR pros I know (less than 100, but many more than 10) do NOT shoot all manual. Most may shoot A-priority or S-priority, or use P mode and wheel their way to the desired blend, but only landscape, product or portrait shooters really can practically go all manual, all the time - you need non-moving subjects and somewhat consistent lighting to rock all manual and get a decent return on your shots.
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The only problem I have with P, A, and S priority modes is the reaction time of the camera to lighting conditions - especially outdoors. I particularly have an issue with P mode as most cameras seem to want a neutral/balanced shutter and aperture - like 1/60 @ f8 - whereas I may want 1/125 or faster @ f4.5-6.3 - and it gets worse outdoors (like wanting 1/160 @ f25 instead of 1/800 @ f8 etc) almost necessitating use of S mode if auto operation is desired. It also seems to take too long sometimes for the camera to read the amount of light and adjust the exposure (shutter speed in A mode or aperture in S mode) correctly. Shooting in manual mode for me is easier and better for me as I can read the light and pick a proper shutter, etc. based on conditions where I am shooting without having to worry about being occasionally slightly too bright (concern for a loss of detail being washed out) or too dark (where softness/pixelation comes into play).
But I suppose how you use your camera will vary on what you are taking pictures of. My gripe with the Nexus 5 is that with adequate lighting indoors and having the flash on auto the camera seems to always want to take pictures with the flash off at 1/10 or 1/20 @ f10 ISO ~400 or something like that, and that's just no good with really anything especially pictures of the kids. Why can't I at least just set the shutter? So many blurry pics... I thought there would be more emphasis on getting the camera experience better on a Nexus phone... the sad thing is that the hardware is actually really good for a phone but sadly the software side is woefully behind :crying:
And let's be fair, manual shooting modes do not make better pictures: better photographers make better pictures.
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Absolutely correct.
I always love these posts,
I have been an on again off again professional photographer for over 10 years mostly in industrial photography.
Even once owned an online photography magazine with pros writing articles from around the world.
My first thought is that it never really has much to do with the camera, its the photographer that stands behind this.
The best example I can give you of this, is the gear snobs that say you can't use mirror-less cameras in the professional setting.
Just grab a pro photographer give them a Nikon V1 or a Olympus OM-D and let them go shooting for a day.
As far as not having P/S/A/M modes, it's a phone....
1 in 100 000 people will even know what that is and about a third of those will actually know how to use it.
If we want to talk camera geek for a moment.
Sensor size is 1/3.2″
Aperture is f2.4 (fixed Aperture)
Max iso is 100 - 800
What does this mean?
Low light shots will still be grainy (Tiny sensor doesn't collect enough light)
The Lens is equivalent to about 28mm which if you have a Canon Rebel or a Nikon DXXXX camera it works out to the 18mm on a kit lens.
So why no manual control?
Well with a fixed aperture of 2.4 what can you change?
Well if you know cameras there is something called the exposure triangle, all this means is aperture, shutter speed, iso have to line up just right for an image to be exposed correctly. In A (aperture priority) you only control aperture and iso, S (shutter priority)you only control shutter and iso, and M you control everything. If you can't change the aperture then you can't use these modes.
Any app that says it gives you control of these things are just simulated.
Every photographers favorite word.... Bokeh!
The blur in the background, how to get it on a phone.
First we have to look at two things the 28mm lens and the tiny sensor. The smaller the sensor does not help at all in this case and nether does the focal length. To get Bokeh with your phone you have to get really really close to your subject almost as if your taking a macro shot.
One more trick for you guys if your still reading this, the camera phone is not ideal for taking portraits.
The reason why is at 28mm you get barrel distortion that pulls the center of the image towards the viewer. You can give people longer than usual noses and get strangeness going on. If your going to take a portrait of a person, instead of taking a close up on the face back up a bit. It will help hide this distortion.
Wow didn't mean for this to come out this long but I am at work, and bored.... lol
In which way do the 8 MP 16:9 (manual) photos differ from the 8 MP ones taken with superior auto mode?
Besides the automatic exposure and white balance, I keep hearing that the photos taken with superior auto mode are "oversampled" but what do they really mean by that? Is it just a downscaled photo? Because every picture dowscaled looks great, so I don't how this is a special thing, so if I tweak the exposure and the while balance I will get manual photos that look like the" superior mode " photos?
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I see people complaining that 20 MP is too much for a smartphone with such a "small sensor " that the pictures taken by it, have too much noise .
If I use 8 MP do they have less noise in general or they look like they have less noise only because the picture is smaller?
Anyone? :crying:
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Anyone? :crying:
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I just got my Xperia Z1, so I'll try all different camera modes and see which is best anyway.
If you give me some time, I may be able to share my results here with you
One thing I have already noticed: taking an 8 megapixel photo can sometimes yield more detailed images than 20 megapixel ones, especially when you've selected Night Mode (which isn't available in Manual Mode at 20 megapixels for some odd reason I have yet to learn). I'll have to experiment some more though, but take my word for it: 8 megapixels is more than enough actually.
EDIT: Another thing I had noticed: that so-called "superior auto mode" is far from superior - if you can hold your device steady, you mostly get the best results with night mode. Slightly worse is setting the ISO to 50 (still requires a steady hand for relatively low shutterspeed). Superior auto mode makes the images often look dull in vibrance and lack details.
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I just got my Xperia Z1, so I'll try all different camera modes and see which is best anyway.
If you give me some time, I may be able to share my results here with you
One thing I have already noticed: taking an 8 megapixel photo can sometimes yield more detailed images than 20 megapixel ones, especially when you've selected Night Mode (which isn't available in Manual Mode at 20 megapixels for some odd reason I have yet to learn). I'll have to experiment some more though, but take my word for it: 8 megapixels is more than enough actually.
EDIT: Another thing I had noticed: that so-called "superior auto mode" is far from superior - if you can hold your device steady, you mostly get the best results with night mode. Slightly worse is setting the ISO to 50 (still requires a steady hand for relatively low shutterspeed). Superior auto mode makes the images often look dull in vibrance and lack details.
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How is it possible to get more detail with 8 mp pictures?
Well know I'm intrigued, how is the testing going?
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How is it possible to get more detail with 8 mp pictures?
Well know I'm intrigued, how is the testing going?
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I've been testing some more and I've come to the conclusion that you shouldn't use Superior Auto mode unless you really just want to snap a picture and don't care about quality. Otherwise, use Manual Mode and set the ISO as low as possible without the image looking to dark. ISO also manipulates Exposure, so be aware of that. For the best results in low-lit situations, use Night Mode.
That's about all I can say.
The Z1 has a good camera if you know how to use it. As a counter example, Nokia devices are often really good as point-and-shoot devices with auto mode, which the Z1 is not. I have some test shots with the Z1 in my sorta-kinda-review of the Z1 comparing it with the Xperia S in the Xperia S forum, here on XDA-developers. In case you're interested in that, check it out right here.
Also: the only time when 8 megapixel shots are more detailed than 20 megapixel ones is if you use Night Mode which isn't available in the 20 megapixel mode, or if you really screw up the settings with 20 megapixel mode.
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I've been testing some more and I've come to the conclusion that you shouldn't use Superior Auto mode unless you really just want to snap a picture and don't care about quality. Otherwise, use Manual Mode and set the ISO as low as possible without the image looking to dark. ISO also manipulates Exposure, so be aware of that. For the best results in low-lit situations, use Night Mode.
That's about all I can say.
The Z1 has a good camera if you know how to use it. As a counter example, Nokia devices are often really good as point-and-shoot devices with auto mode, which the Z1 is not. I have some test shots with the Z1 in my sorta-kinda-review of the Z1 comparing it with the Xperia S in the Xperia S forum, here on XDA-developers. In case you're interested in that, check it out right here.
Also: the only time when 8 megapixel shots are more detailed than 20 megapixel ones is if you use Night Mode which isn't available in the 20 megapixel mode, or if you really screw up the settings with 20 megapixel mode.
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It sucks a bit, because when I use use my phone to take pictures is mostly because I want to take quick pictures, when I feel like fumbling around with the camera then I use a dsrl
This is what the verge had to say about the z1 camera
" The Xperia Z1 can produce truly excellent images, but is held back by Sony’s penchant for excessive post-processing and a habit for overexposing outdoor shots. The most common artifices you’ll find in your pictures are a noise-reduction algorithm that produces artificially uniform blocks of color and an associated sharpening treatment that enhances edges. The exposure issue is sadly common among smartphone cameras: you get a sort of haze in outdoor photos where the camera shutter is kept open for too long.
Ultimately, though, these downsides are trifling compared to the Xperia Z1’s upside. An impressive amount of detail is kept even after Sony’s done its best to destroy it. The LED flash works well and doesn’t whitewash nearby subjects. Nighttime photos keep image noise competently suppressed, and even the full 20-megapixel pictures can look good under the right circumstances. It’s just a very capable piece of hardware that could’ve done with some smarter software."
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It sucks a bit, because when I use use my phone to take pictures is mostly because I want to take quick pictures, when I feel like fumbling around with the camera then I use a dsrl
This is what the verge had to say about the z1 camera
" The Xperia Z1 can produce truly excellent images, but is held back by Sony’s penchant for excessive post-processing and a habit for overexposing outdoor shots. The most common artifices you’ll find in your pictures are a noise-reduction algorithm that produces artificially uniform blocks of color and an associated sharpening treatment that enhances edges. The exposure issue is sadly common among smartphone cameras: you get a sort of haze in outdoor photos where the camera shutter is kept open for too long.
Ultimately, though, these downsides are trifling compared to the Xperia Z1’s upside. An impressive amount of detail is kept even after Sony’s done its best to destroy it. The LED flash works well and doesn’t whitewash nearby subjects. Nighttime photos keep image noise competently suppressed, and even the full 20-megapixel pictures can look good under the right circumstances. It’s just a very capable piece of hardware that could’ve done with some smarter software."
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I must say, I agree completely with the text from The Verge. It's indeed very capable hardware. I'd love to see an experienced XDA developer tweak the camera algorithms themselves.
If only Sony had the camera software developers from Apple, the camera might've even beaten the Lumia 1020 (say what you want about Apple but their camera software is very good)!
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I must say, I agree completely with the text from The Verge. It's indeed very capable hardware. I'd love to see an experienced XDA developer tweak the camera algorithms themselves.
If only Sony had the camera software developers from Apple, the camera might've even beaten the Lumia 1020 (say what you want about Apple but their camera software is very good)!
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Maybe their BIONZ image processing is the one to blame here?
I'm curious of the outcome of the photos while using cyanmod or aosp
Yes, I won't deny that the iPhone 5s is maybe the only camera on smartphones that works perfectly without tweaking it
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Maybe their BIONZ image processing is the one to blame here?
I'm curious of the outcome of the photos while using cyanmod or aosp
Yes, I won't deny that the iPhone 5s is maybe the only camera on smartphones that works perfectly without tweaking it
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I'm not all that much into actual camera algorithms, but I doubt that the BIONZ processing creates those odd stripey noise artifacts when you zoom in at 20 megapixels. I would just love to be able to set the exposure and focus manually, but perhaps these are all things baked into the hardware of the camera, to make this impossible to tweak ourselves. Again, I really don't know much about image processing.
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I'm not all that much into actual camera algorithms, but I doubt that the BIONZ processing creates those odd stripey noise artifacts when you zoom in at 20 megapixels. I would just love to be able to set the exposure and focus manually, but perhaps these are all things baked into the hardware of the camera, to make this impossible to tweak ourselves. Again, I really don't know much about image processing.
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I'm hoping someone else chimes in so we can understand a bit more.
I found this on the z1 compact review " You get a large 1/2.3-inch sensor, which can either shoot 20-megapixel stills or oversample — algorithmically condense multiple pixels’ information into one to make for a clearer image — and produce 8-megapixel pics."
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It look like over sharpening of photo in strong sunlight. Anyone else feel the same?
Yes. In every situation the sharpening is excessive and ruins many photos. The only way to get rid of it is to shoot in 40mp mode but then you can't zoom
You can reduce sharpening in editing after the fact on pretty much any decent editor. Snapseed mobile, Lightroom or photoshop on PC.
It very rarely damages photos. The outcry is a little over the top.
In bright sunshine 40mp is probably the best way to shoot anyway.
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You can reduce sharpening in editing after the fact on pretty much any decent editor. Snapseed mobile, Lightroom or photoshop on PC.
It very rarely damages photos. The outcry is a little over the top.
In bright sunshine 40mp is probably the best way to shoot anyway.
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The whole point of sharpening in P20 Pro is that it simply destroys data. There is no way to get it back in software, it just isn't there. This is a huge problem
I am considering to go back to my S9+ as P20 pro is far too much over sharpening.
I hope they will do something to the camera software before I make the change
dont expect anything like it from huawei, use another camera app
possible solution?
I find that using a zoom of 2.9x with 10mb auto mode helps with avoidance of over sharpening. With the same scene, the 2.9x zoom looks more natural when viewing at 100% pixel level:
At 2.9x zoom
https:// ibb.co/ bQtRBT
At 3.0x zoom
https:// ibb.co/ niGk5o
What do you think?
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I find that using a zoom of 2.9x with 10mb auto mode helps with avoidance of over sharpening. With the same scene, the 2.9x zoom looks more natural when viewing at 100% pixel level:
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I find it works even better at 3x zoom if you use the lowest resolution.
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I find it works even better at 3x zoom if you use the lowest resolution.
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I checked the setting, there are other resolution options at 7MB, but they are of different dimensions (ie. 1:1 and 3:2), so they are really more of a crop of the same resolution rather than a different resolution.
I had the same problems with the Mate 10 Pro. The image processing was so bad that I finally decided to sell it and buy something else. I could not stand the poor quality of the pictures. Oil paint effect, lack of details even at 10-20% crop. Not acceptable for such an expensive device. I remember the P9 having NONE of these problems.
I have this problem and I figured out the fixes. Huawei users have two options to take photos where the auto sharpening ruins your photos. 1) shoot pro mode at max resolution. or 2) Shoot in aperture mode.
What kind of file sizes are you folks seeing with this camera in the different megapixel modes? Thinking about picking one up but wondering how much compression there is. Currently on a 6t which is terrible.
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What kind of file sizes are you folks seeing with this camera in the different megapixel modes? Thinking about picking one up but wondering how much compression there is. Currently on a 6t which is terrible.
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Better shoot raw if you want full control, 10MP is enough for social medias and 6x4 inc print. Otherwise, shoot at 40MP
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Better shoot raw if you want full control, 10MP is enough for social medias and 6x4 inc print. Otherwise, shoot at 40MP
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Yeah im just wondering what size the pics come out as in stock form in 40 and 10 mp?
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Yeah im just wondering what size the pics come out as in stock form in 40 and 10 mp?
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Depends on the complexity of the scene, I have seen the 10MP range from under 1MB > over 8MB on my standard P30
Just shot 10MP vs 40MP in the house to test, 10MP was 1.76MB and 40MP was 5.19MB
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Depends on the complexity of the scene, I have seen the 10MP range from under 1MB > over 8MB on my standard P30
Just shot 10MP vs 40MP in the house to test, 10MP was 1.76MB and 40MP was 5.19MB
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Thats not what I was hoping for.
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Thats not what I was hoping for.
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What were you hoping for?
P30Pro compared to P20Pro
I've just upgraded from the P20Pro to the P30Pro and at the same settings the P30Pro is giving me images with less than half the file size of the earlier model. I'm really surprised by this...is there more compression being added, or do you think that the camera might be faulty? Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
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I've just upgraded from the P20Pro to the P30Pro and at the same settings the P30Pro is giving me images with less than half the file size of the earlier model. I'm really surprised by this...is there more compression being added, or do you think that the camera might be faulty? Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
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There's way too much compression.
Try zooming in on a photo that wasn't taken as a raw shot. It's horrendous!
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There's way too much compression.
Try zooming in on a photo that wasn't taken as a raw shot. It's horrendous!
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If you want better jpeg IQ, shoot in RAW in Pro mode and you'll get jpegs directly from the RAW file, bypassing all the over-processing that you get in auto mode, this is the only reason I am so committed to Huawei, they are the only OEM that does this, all other brands just process the jpeg as per normal auto mode when you shoot in Pro mode with RAW.
With Huawei the jpeg you get from Pro mode with RAW enabled comes directly from the RAW file and is way more natural etc. see crop below, top crop is from auto mode, bottom crop is from the jpeg from RAW in Pro mode, massive difference.
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If you want better jpeg IQ, shoot in RAW in Pro mode and you'll get jpegs directly from the RAW file, bypassing all the over-processing that you get in auto mode, this is the only reason I am so committed to Huawei, they are the only OEM that does this, all other brands just process the jpeg as per normal auto mode when you shoot in Pro mode with RAW.
With Huawei the jpeg you get from Pro mode with RAW enabled comes directly from the RAW file and is way more natural etc. see crop below, top crop is from auto mode, bottom crop is from the jpeg from RAW in Pro mode, massive difference.
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Can't say I agree with any of that.
RAW from my P30 pro is vastly inferior to the Raw shots from my Poco F1 and my old OP5 .
Jpegs in pro mode are no different in size or structure to those taken in Auto. They both have the same libjpeg applied to them.
There's an excessive amount of compression applied and artificial noise reduction, post sharpening.
a 40mp shot should not be coming out at 6mb .
Raw come out under exposed in most situations and require excessive amounts of noise reduction in anything other than bright sunlight.
*IF* we get camera api2 then it might be more usable as it will allow a bit better fine control, but as it stands the entire lens matrix code appears to be broken.
And in case you were wondering, yes I do have a lot of experience of camera driver code, at both kernel and userspace level. Unfortunately with huawei closed approach I can't even see what they are doing for definite. I do know that this will be my last device from them though as I don't like the results of the camera or the closed off approach.
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Can't say I agree with any of that.
RAW from my P30 pro is vastly inferior to the Raw shots from my Poco F1 and my old OP5 .
Jpegs in pro mode are no different in size or structure to those taken in Auto. They both have the same libjpeg applied to them.
There's an excessive amount of compression applied and artificial noise reduction, post sharpening.
a 40mp shot should not be coming out at 6mb .
Raw come out under exposed in most situations and require excessive amounts of noise reduction in anything other than bright sunlight.
*IF* we get camera api2 then it might be more usable as it will allow a bit better fine control, but as it stands the entire lens matrix code appears to be broken.
And in case you were wondering, yes I do have a lot of experience of camera driver code, at both kernel and userspace level. Unfortunately with huawei closed approach I can't even see what they are doing for definite. I do know that this will be my last device from them though as I don't like the results of the camera or the closed off approach.
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dont you see the difference in the crops?? compression is similar yes but the processing is way different, and I'm not talking of the RAW files but the jpeg that comes directly from the RAW file, which is very different to the jpeg in auto mode. See another crop below taken now in my office, left side from jpeg (auto mode), right side jpeg (from RAW in Pro mode) there is a big difference in processing, the libjpeg does not get used in taking the jpeg directly from RAW.
My Samsung Note 9 RAWs are far worse, and my iPhone Xs are also nothing special, for me the Huawei's are no worse than anything out there the fact that I can get a jpeg from the RAW data and just tweak it (but have that natural unprocessed look) is by far more useful to me. If you want to process all your own RAWs then things may be slightly different, but I see no big differences in the RAW files across OEMs, but this ability of Huawei phones to give you a jpeg directly from the RAW file automatically is a big plus for me.
Have a look at amir's dng processor for better image manipulation from raw
https://t.me/appforks
Bear in mind he's constantly tweaking how it works so there's a lot of versions on there too play with.
There's no such thing as a jpeg direct from raw.
It will always be processed.
And no I don't see any difference when zoned between the Pro mode jpeg and the normal.
Would any of you guys buy a camera with a built-in phone then complain its no good because the phone wasn't up to your expectations?
If I was as consumed by top quality photography as you guys seem to be I'd buy a dedicated camera that had the specs I most wanted.
FWIW I'm more than pleased with the results of the photos that I take. And the phones not too bad either ?
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Would any of you guys buy a camera with a built-in phone then complain its no good because the phone wasn't up to your expectations?
If I was as consumed by top quality photography as you guys seem to be I'd buy a dedicated camera that had the specs I most wanted.
FWIW I'm more than pleased with the results of the photos that I take. And the phones not too bad either ?
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How very lovely for you.
My daughter was over the moon with her toy camera for years. Everyone else realised it was about as effective as rubbing vaseline in your eyes them looking at a Jackson Pollock to try to replicate a Constable haywain.
When she ended up with a decent camera she realised just had bad the old one had been. She was quite miffed.
If you buy a phone that's supposedly one of the best available and sold as coming with one of the highest rated camera systems.
Then that camera system turns out to get worse after a software update, I think you're fairly entitled to be a wee tad disgruntled and should expect more.
Personally I don't want to carry another camera with me.
The phone is there and available for producing photos when I need them quickly and immediately.
It's why I brought it.
By your logic, if I want to know where I am I should buy a standalone GPS, f*@k knows how I'd carry a typewriter around all day if I ever need to type a message out!
Ooh best not forget the pigeon as well.
Nope all in one devices that do as they are advertised to do. That's the future- oh no hang on that's supposed to be now-
Ideally the software in the phone software shouldn't be preventing the hardware from producing decent results.
But this is.
I offered to swap my p30 Pro for my old Poco f1 that my son now uses. He declined after testing it by taking some photos, he likes his f1.
The phone is great, the camera software is appalling.
Lol
RAW is ok, but requires a lot of tweaking and filespace.
The major problem is that when I take pictures, getting a 40 megapixel jpeg file which has too much compressing losing all fine details and causing 'blocks', typical jpeg compression artefacts.