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[Q] Whatsapp Media storage location, SDCard0 instead of extSDCard

Hi,
I have a question regarding media storage location of Whatsapp - I don't necessarily expect a solution but would like to at least verify the behaviour on other phones.
My old android device (Sony Ericsson SK17i) saved the Whatsapp media files to the external SDCard.
I bought a S3 mini this week and noticed a difference: Whatsapp media files are not stored on external SDCard anymore, but on the internal storage. I guess that this comes from the internal storage being presented as SDCard0, so maybe Whatsapp thinks that this is in fact the external SD-Card.
Can somebody with S3 mini check how this behaves with his phone? Within Whatsapp I didn't find a way to configure this, can anyone think of a solution to that?
Many thanks in advance.

I bought a S3 mini this week and noticed a difference: Whatsapp media files are not stored on external SDCard anymore, but on the internal storage. I guess that this comes from the internal storage being presented as SDCard0, so maybe Whatsapp thinks that this is in fact the external SD-Card.
Can somebody with S3 mini check how this behaves with his phone? Within Whatsapp I didn't find a way to configure this, can anyone think of a solution to that?
Many thanks in advance. [/QUOTE]
mine saved on phone internal too....and i'am afraid there's no setting from within whatsapp to store in external sd card....however you can reduce space by using directory bind....search around and you will find it.....directory bind or link2sd should do it....

nazri5363 said:
mine saved on phone internal too....and i'am afraid there's no setting from within whatsapp to store in external sd card....however you can reduce space by using directory bind....search around and you will find it.....directory bind or link2sd should do it....
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ok, thanks for double-checking, I was afraid so. I don't want to link the whole app to sd card, but directory bind sounds like a very good idea, I haven't thought of that.

FolderMount (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2192122) did the trick. Thanks!

F157 said:
FolderMount (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2192122) did the trick. Thanks!
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How do you managed to make the default Image preview program to work properly?
I marked the "Media verification" checkbox on the folder mount configuration so that de SD Card folder wouldn't appear on the image preview program, but now I only can see some black thumbs with no image "attached" that points to internal memory.
Did any of this happened to you? Or something similar with the images or how you see them?

in my S4
whenever i open this app , notifications comes saying :
checking for root ......
exit
and nothing happens !

install GL to SD from google play and move the data from sdcard0 to ext and link it

Nothing worked out for my xperia zl

evildog1 said:
install GL to SD from google play and move the data from sdcard0 to ext and link it
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This seems like a solution to my problem- moved my whatsapp media folder using the manual settings in Gl to SD, but it seems wonky. I took a picture of myself and sent it to someone, and it worked fine. Image is stored in my "sent" folder on the card, which also shows up in internal if I browse there with an explorer. I click on the image in whatsapp, it becomes full screen.
But when someone sends ME an image, it seems to never download. I see the thumbnail, I click it, and then it says that the media is not found on the SD card.
Sure enough, I browsed the folder in explorer (hooked up to my computer as PTP, browsing in windows 7) and the file isn't there. Only the one that I originated. I tried to create a file there, and it actually timed out on me and said device wasn't available. So it seems to sometimes work but not other times? How strange!

Dishe said:
This seems like a solution to my problem- moved my whatsapp media folder using the manual settings in Gl to SD, but it seems wonky. I took a picture of myself and sent it to someone, and it worked fine. Image is stored in my "sent" folder on the card, which also shows up in internal if I browse there with an explorer. I click on the image in whatsapp, it becomes full screen.
But when someone sends ME an image, it seems to never download. I see the thumbnail, I click it, and then it says that the media is not found on the SD card.
Sure enough, I browsed the folder in explorer (hooked up to my computer as PTP, browsing in windows 7) and the file isn't there. Only the one that I originated. I tried to create a file there, and it actually timed out on me and said device wasn't available. So it seems to sometimes work but not other times? How strange!
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it seems you have root permission problem. you may try to fix permission via custom recovery. GL to SD is working fine and i'm able to download additional data on ext SD.

evildog1 said:
it seems you have root permission problem. you may try to fix permission via custom recovery. GL to SD is working fine and i'm able to download additional data on ext SD.
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Ah, that might have been it.
In the mean time I gave up, removed it and went with foldermount, linked above. Works just fine out the door, cleaner UI too.

Move WhatsApp Media To External SD Card
This App automatically redirects WhatsApp media to the External SD Card in order to save memory: I cannot post the link, but you can search Nicola Rosada On Play Store and download Photo & File Redirect.

Dishe said:
Ah, that might have been it.
In the mean time I gave up, removed it and went with foldermount, linked above. Works just fine out the door, cleaner UI too.
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I got foldermount and used it to mount data/obb folders from some apps to my ext SD card. But this is what i get for whatsapp: The data and obb options are greyed out so i cant select them and it says there is no data to begin with (0 B). How did you do it? Thanks

Thanks for saving me to ask this question. My son has a SG Grand Prime SM-G530H and is facing the same problem.

Dishe said:
This seems like a solution to my problem- moved my whatsapp media folder using the manual settings in Gl to SD, but it seems wonky. I took a picture of myself and sent it to someone, and it worked fine. Image is stored in my "sent" folder on the card, which also shows up in internal if I browse there with an explorer. I click on the image in whatsapp, it becomes full screen.
But when someone sends ME an image, it seems to never download. I see the thumbnail, I click it, and then it says that the media is not found on the SD card.
Sure enough, I browsed the folder in explorer (hooked up to my computer as PTP, browsing in windows 7) and the file isn't there. Only the one that I originated. I tried to create a file there, and it actually timed out on me and said device wasn't available. So it seems to sometimes work but not other times? How strange!
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Got the same Issue - can send Images and theyll get stored on SD via Foldermount, but when i receive images, just got the blurry thumbnail and after i downloaded the image i got that "Media is not found on the SD card" issue.
Anyone knows what i did wrong?

[Q] How do you live with only 4GB of storage ?

Hello,
I am a new owner of a S3 mini. I tried many differents tweaks to move my apps to sd card (including Link2SD) but none worked.
So I am now stuck with only 4Gb of Storage, my device is already full (some updates cannot be done).
So I was wondering how you guys deal with this storage limitation ?
Thanks

I have only 1 GB in use (100 apps)
Gesendet von meinem GT-I8190

Same here. 3.5gb free. All I've done is to use foldermount to mount my navigon maps to external sd.
No games installed. I use my PS3 for that

tys0n said:
Same here. 3.5gb free. All I've done is to use foldermount to mount my navigon maps to external sd.
No games installed. I use my PS3 for that
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Thanks a lot, I'll check foldermount.

482 mb free
I have 482mb free on my internal storage , and I use ex. card but it's obly 2gb so I'm planing to buy bigger one

Finally I tested Foldermount : this is the only app I could use with success to move apps to the SD card ...
So thanks a lot for this information !
But I have one question : I could not find any tutorial about Foldermount, the only way I know how to move apps is to select the app folder and the destination app. This is not very friendly ... The S3 mini is for my girlfriend, I need something as simple as possible (she's not a geek ...).
On Foldermount there is a menu which displays all your apps, but when I select one, the buttons (source or destination) remain grey (unusable) and there is an error message saying something like this app may already be linked to sdcard ...
Is there a tutorial about foldermount ?
Is there a way to use it without the need of selecting each app folder to move ?
Is there a way to just select the app and ask to move it to sd card ?
Thanks

dizzy33 said:
Finally I tested Foldermount : this is the only app I could use with success to move apps to the SD card ...
So thanks a lot for this information !
But I have one question : I could not find any tutorial about Foldermount, the only way I know how to move apps is to select the app folder and the destination app. This is not very friendly ... The S3 mini is for my girlfriend, I need something as simple as possible (she's not a geek ...).
On Foldermount there is a menu which displays all your apps, but when I select one, the buttons (source or destination) remain grey (unusable) and there is an error message saying something like this app may already be linked to sdcard ...
Is there a tutorial about foldermount ?
Is there a way to use it without the need of selecting each app folder to move ?
Is there a way to just select the app and ask to move it to sd card ?
Thanks
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Foldermount doesnt move apps to external sd, but link folders from internal sd to external sd.
I still find it very usefull to link download folder and other things like GPS maps. You can also link those game obb files that get stored in your sd (Android/obb) and free up alot of space if you play games.
You can read the original thread here.

tys0n said:
Foldermount doesnt move apps to external sd, but link folders from internal sd to external sd.
I still find it very usefull to link download folder and other things like GPS maps. You can also link those game obb files that get stored in your sd (Android/obb) and free up alot of space if you play games.
You can read the original thread here.
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To my point of view, it does move the app to external SD as it moves files to external SD and then create a link in the internal memory to external SD.
If it wouldn't move data to external SD card, this application would have no interest.
The only problem for me with this app is that to use it, you need to know in which folder of your internal memory the app has been installed. It's not very easy for everyone. It would be better if when Foldermount shows the list of your apps, you could just select it and then move it to SD.
This feature seems to be existing but does not work for now. Maybe in a later release ...
Anyway, this is the only "move to SD" app I tried which is working fine with the S3 mini.

dizzy33 said:
Hello,
I am a new owner of a S3 mini. I tried many differents tweaks to move my apps to sd card (including Link2SD) but none worked.
So I am now stuck with only 4Gb of Storage, my device is already full (some updates cannot be done).
So I was wondering how you guys deal with this storage limitation ?
Thanks
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Since its for your girlfriend, what do she store on her internal storage, i still have quite alot of space in my internal for apps, i use my external SD for other stuffs

AssToast said:
Since its for your girlfriend, what do she store on her internal storage, i still have quite alot of space in my internal for apps, i use my external SD for other stuffs
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GPS Navigation softwares for exemple. But whatever, she may use more softwares than you.

dizzy33 said:
GPS Navigation softwares for exemple. But whatever, she may use more softwares than you.
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anyway, try this? http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-install-apps-onto-your-SD-Card-No-Root/?ALLSTEPS

AssToast said:
anyway, try this? http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-install-apps-onto-your-SD-Card-No-Root/?ALLSTEPS
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Thanks but I already tried this, it does not work : the S3 mini does answer correctly to the ADB commands, it says it's now configured for external storage (2) but when I install an app it still does it on the internal storage ...
Really, I tried many different methods, only Foldermount worked.

DirectoryBind with only one link: /sdcard/Android to /storage/extSdCard/Android
Device should be rooted.
Also, in DirectoryBind preferences you need to enable Bind on boot and Alternate dbase mgmt.
That's all you need. All apps data will be stored on external sdcard including cache of games.

dolar4ik said:
DirectoryBind with only one link: /sdcard/Android to /storage/extSdCard/Android
Device should be rooted.
Also, in DirectoryBind preferences you need to enable Bind on boot and Alternate dbase mgmt.
That's all you need. All apps data will be stored on external sdcard including cache of games.
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The same can be done with foldermount, and it's still maintained with updates which dirictorybind isn't.

tys0n said:
The same can be done with foldermount, and it's still maintained with updates which dirictorybind isn't.
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For what you need an updates of DirectoryBind? It does not need any update because it smooth and fully working. Atleast, on 4.1.2.
For 4.2.2 we need to switch to FolderMount or manually add mount to init.d
With FolderMount you cannot mount sdcard/Android, you need to mount each cache folder separately.
Maybe it is fixed already in latest version, dunno. If yes, then I will switch to FolderMount too =)

With "destination folder check" unticked in settings it works fine. Maybe it's a pro feature.
Sent through time and space from my s3mini/CM10.

tys0n said:
With "destination folder check" unticked in settings it works fine. Maybe it's a pro feature.
Sent through time and space from my s3mini/CM10.
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Cool. Thanks.
Yes, it is pro feature but this app costs 1.99$ only

dolar4ik said:
Cool. Thanks.
Yes, it is pro feature but this app costs 1.99$ only
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Yeah it' well worth it

tys0n said:
With "destination folder check" unticked in settings it works fine. Maybe it's a pro feature.
Sent through time and space from my s3mini/CM10.
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Thanks a lot for this great information ! I was linking the apps directories one by one ... Now I understand you can link the whole apps directory just once ... Great !

tys0n said:
With "destination folder check" unticked in settings it works fine. Maybe it's a pro feature.
Sent through time and space from my s3mini/CM10.
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Finally I tried to link sdcard0 to sdcard1 : it seems to work if I look at Foldermount status, but in reality it does not copy anything to the SD card ... This is strange ... Plus after having linked sdcard0 to sdcard1, I cannot remove this link : it says a copy is running and I cannot stop it. In reality nothing is copying, so I need to uninstall Foldermount to remove the link ...

Moving CoPilot GPS maps to sdcard1

Update:
I made a tutorial how to get CoPilot save the maps on the external sd card.
For this method you don't need any root access so it should work for almost everyone.
Make sure you check check whether your sdcard path is /storage/sdcard0 or /mnt/sdcard

For me it worked fine without rooting the phone.
I have a samsung ace plus S7500
I made a copy of
/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/
to
/mnt/sdcard/external_sd/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/
then (with KIES), i changed the
user.cfg situated in /mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/
then i erased the
/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/EU/
The adapted user.cfg would be changed like this
[Directories]
"AddonDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/EU/addon/"
"AudioDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/audio/"
"GlobalAddonDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/addon"
"GPSDemoDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/gpstracks/demo"
"LRGlobalSaveDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/save"
"LRGPSSaveDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/gpstracks"
"LRInfoDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/info"
"LRSaveDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/EU/save/"
"RegionDir"="EU"
"RootDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/"
"SkinDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/skin/"
"SpeechDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/speech"
"ThemesDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/themes/"
"UIConfigDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/uiconfig/"
"UpdateDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/save/update"
[Directories]
"AddonDir"="/mnt/sdcard/external_sd/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/EU/addon/"
"AudioDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/audio/"
"GlobalAddonDir"="/mnt/sdcard/external_sd/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/addon"
"GPSDemoDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/gpstracks/demo"
"LRGlobalSaveDir"="/mnt/sdcard/external_sd/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/save"
"LRGPSSaveDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/gpstracks"
"LRInfoDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/info"
"LRSaveDir"="/mnt/sdcard/external_sd/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/EU/save/"
"RegionDir"="EU"
"RootDir"="/mnt/sdcard/external_sd/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/"
"SkinDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/skin/"
"SpeechDir"="/mnt/sdcard/external_sd/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/speech"
"ThemesDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/themes/"
"UIConfigDir"="/mnt/sdcard/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/uiconfig/"
"UpdateDir"="/mnt/sdcard/external_sd/com.alk.copilot.eumarket.premiumeupan/save/update"
Then it finally works
dagoban said:
Hi guys,
so this topic came up quite a few times for other phones, however I cannot get it working on my Razr I.
And I am talking about the Live version (that is the newest version which comes with all countries in 1app), not the Premium or Lite one.
So I want to move the maps folder to the external sdcard....
Basically what I did is this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=42581577&postcount=2
But of course instead of /storage/extSdCard/ I used /storage/sdcard1/com.alk.copilot.mapviewer/
But after starting CoPilot Live it still overwrites the user.cfg file back to its normal settings (sdcard0)
Does anyone have a solution for that?
I also found out that there is a file called DeviceInfo.xml in the save folder that also has the sdcard0 included...
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dagoban said:
Update:
I made a tutorial how to get CoPilot save the maps on the external sd card.
For this method you don't need any root access so it should work for almost everyone.
Make sure you check check whether your sdcard path is /storage/sdcard0 or /mnt/sdcard
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Outstanding! worked perfectly, thank you!

installing maps to SD card
dagoban said:
Update:
I made a tutorial how to get CoPilot save the maps on the external sd card.
For this method you don't need any root access so it should work for almost everyone.
Make sure you check check whether your sdcard path is /storage/sdcard0 or /mnt/sdcard
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Dear Michael, your tutorial is fantastic, it is logical, clear and easy to follow, unfortunately the text of my “user.cfg” file is different, the text contained often the word “emulated” but there is nowhere the word “mapviewer “ I wonder if you could give me a push in the right direction. The device I am running is Samsung Galaxy S5 (SM-G900i) and the CoPilot version is 9.5.0.440 Europa and USA
Regards Erik

Hi Erik,
just look for the RootDir and SpeechDir tag in the config and change that from your internal card to your external card.
If you still need help, start at step 1 again and then copy the config file to your PC and upload its content to pastebin.com so I can have a look at it.

erikdeoude said:
Dear Michael, your tutorial is fantastic, it is logical, clear and easy to follow, unfortunately the text of my “user.cfg” file is different, the text contained often the word “emulated” but there is nowhere the word “mapviewer “ I wonder if you could give me a push in the right direction. The device I am running is Samsung Galaxy S5 (SM-G900i) and the CoPilot version is 9.5.0.440 Europa and USA
Regards Erik
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If you are on KitKat it could be a problem with writing your maps to external SDcard.

Moving CoPilot Map to SD card
dagoban said:
Hi Erik,
just look for the RootDir and SpeechDir tag in the config and change that from your internal card to your external card.
If you still need help, start at step 1 again and then copy the config file to your PC and upload its content to pastebin.com so I can have a look at it.
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Thanks for your help,it is obviously not possible to move the copilot maps, so I will search for another brand of GPS

dagoban said:
Update:
I made a tutorial how to get CoPilot save the maps on the external sd card.
For this method you don't need any root access so it should work for almost everyone.
Make sure you check check whether your sdcard path is /storage/sdcard0 or /mnt/sdcard
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Thanks for the guide!
Do I need to repeat step 14 (copy folder) when / if the app gets updated?

dagoban said:
Update:
I made a tutorial how to get CoPilot save the maps on the external sd card.
For this method you don't need any root access so it should work for almost everyone.
Make sure you check check whether your sdcard path is /storage/sdcard0 or /mnt/sdcard
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Hi Dagoban,
I followed your tutorial and it worked great. At least up to yesterday, where I updated CoPilot to version 9.6.0.634. Now the phone directory no longer says /storage/sdcard0 but /storage/emulated/0/.
Changing the Root and Speech directory (in my case to extSdCard) doesn't allow downloading of Maps on my SD card anymore.
Any thoughts or tips?
Thanks
Rob
Update: I have a Galaxy S4 (GT-I9505), running on Android 4.4.2 (Kitkat)

transfering large maps to extsd card
rdijkstra said:
Hi Dagoban,
I followed your tutorial and it worked great. At least up to yesterday, where I updated CoPilot to version 9.6.0.634. Now the phone directory no longer says /storage/sdcard0 but /storage/emulated/0/.
Changing the Root and Speech directory (in my case to extSdCard) doesn't allow downloading of Maps on my SD card anymore.
Any thoughts or tips?
Thanks
Rob
Update: I have a Galaxy S4 (GT-I9505), running on Android 4.4.2 (Kitkat)
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Hi Rob,
I had a similar problem with Galaxy S5 (SM-G900i), and rooting the phone did not help, after receiving just silly answers from ‘CoPilot Technical Support’ I purchased the application from ‘Sygic’ it cost a few Dollars more but for this you get annual several map updates and the service is excellent. The maps are slightly larger in size but the whole application can be transferred to external SD card (by cut and paste) for me it was an easy solution.
Cheers Erik

Seems to work, basically
dagoban said:
Update:
I made a tutorial how to get CoPilot save the maps on the external sd card.
For this method you don't need any root access so it should work for almost everyone.
Make sure you check check whether your sdcard path is /storage/sdcard0 or /mnt/sdcard
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I tried this on my Atrix HD with Cyanogen 10.2, and it seems to work. The Atrix uses an "emulated" sdcard0, so it had some issues, but I edited the user file & continued the install. When I ran copilot initially, it seemed to have some problems. I kept getting "Do you really want to quit" messages when I would try and move through menu options. I turned on GPS (which I had not done prior) and after a minute or so, I was able to browse the map, so maybe that was the issue. Now, when I fire up Copilot, it seems to behave. I tried an "goto" address in another state, and the route was correct, so I'm saying thanks very much for the process you developed. I really wish that ALK would just add this to their software.

KitKat “EACCES permission denied”
rdijkstra said:
Hi Dagoban,
I followed your tutorial and it worked great. At least up to yesterday, where I updated CoPilot to version 9.6.0.634. Now the phone directory no longer says /storage/sdcard0 but /storage/emulated/0/.
Changing the Root and Speech directory (in my case to extSdCard) doesn't allow downloading of Maps on my SD card anymore.
Any thoughts or tips?
Thanks
Rob
Update: I have a Galaxy S4 (GT-I9505), running on Android 4.4.2 (Kitkat)
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It seems that android 4.4.2 has limited access permission of the external SD card. Have a look at howto-avoid-the-eacces-permission-denied-on-sdcard-with-kitkat-4-4-2-version on stackoverflow (I can't post the link!).
I tried to change the folder permission via chmod but no lock. What is the workaround?

sesemin said:
It seems that android 4.4.2 has limited access permission of the external SD card. Have a look at howto-avoid-the-eacces-permission-denied-on-sdcard-with-kitkat-4-4-2-version on stackoverflow (I can't post the link!).
I tried to change the folder permission via chmod but no lock. What is the workaround?
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Michael previously published an instruction on how to move the maps to SD card, but his instruction does not work with the recent KitKat version of Android. People look for methods to root the device to obtain access to SD-cards. Still it is perfectly possible even with unrooted devices. Edit folder path for Rootdir and Speechdir so that it would point to a folder "Android/data/" at your SD card. For example, for Samsung Galaxy 5, it would be "storage/extSdCard/Android/data/...". Save the file user.cfg. If you have a different brand, your external SD card might be called differently, this is why copilot guys do not want to mess with external cards (shame on them, btw).
It worked for me with Kitkat. Have found somewhere that every application under Kitkat gets its own folder in Android/data with full writing rights. But the folder should be named strictly after the application name. If you copy the folder to any other place and adjust user.cfg accordingly, it might not work, since the application tries to write something into folders, too.

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Works on Low Storage KitKat
Shato said:
Michael previously published an instruction on how to move the maps to SD card, but his instruction does not work with the recent KitKat version of Android. People look for methods to root the device to obtain access to SD-cards. Still it is perfectly possible even with unrooted devices. Edit folder path for Rootdir and Speechdir so that it would point to a folder "Android/data/" at your SD card. For example, for Samsung Galaxy 5, it would be "storage/extSdCard/Android/data/...". Save the file user.cfg. If you have a different brand, your external SD card might be called differently, this is why copilot guys do not want to mess with external cards (shame on them, btw).
It worked for me with Kitkat. Have found somewhere that every application under Kitkat gets its own folder in Android/data with full writing rights. But the folder should be named strictly after the application name. If you copy the folder to any other place and adjust user.cfg accordingly, it might not work, since the application tries to write something into folders, too.
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That worked great, Shato. Thanks. It even worked on my phone which doesn't have enough free internal memory for the maps. I downloaded the maps on my tablet and copied the folder to the SD. Then I put the SD in the phone and applied the config change.

An update the developer should do - detect extsd during app install/update
Seems like a lot of trouble. With Sygic's app, all you have to do is move the folder, launch the app, and clean up whatever old filder remains on internal sd.
[*ttp://help.sygic.com/hc/en-us[/*
Haven't tried a Sygic app upgrade since I moved it, but added maps all go to extsd.. I have noticed one small issue. If I shut my device off, it rediscovers the extsd and remounts it, and it can take a whie to finish indexing it (2 minutes with my 32GB U-1 cl 10 card) and until it does, apps using fies from the extsd seem to hang. on launch I say seem to. If allowed to wait, they eventually open unless they err after loading some of their files, but aren't able to access all of them..
The work around is not to shut completely down, but sleep or suspend after putting the device in Airplane mode to minimise drain.
Yeah, I know this doesn.t solve the CoPilot\Kitkat issue, but I had to stop using CoPilot because I ran out of space on internal SD. I'm not going to deal with an app that requires massaging after every revision, and this one has enough bugs that it needs revisions, not just map updates. When I see an announcement that either Google lifts the extSD restrictions (in L I hope), or Copilot fixes its code, I'll use Sygics free version with all its limitations- disable its app from updating, and manually update the few state maps I use periodically.
I was learning to live with CoPilots quirks untilI I ran out of space. Syngic isn't as nice to use, and has its own quirks, but at least it doesn't have to fill my internal SD with maps of states to which I'll never go., and it's too pricy for me to buy the full version, so I lose turn by turn.
BTW, both apps suffer from many inaccuracies suburban and low pop density maps, but Syngic's are slightly better, in that adddresses are more often correctly located on the right side of roadways and nearer to the correct ends of irregularlyoshaped "blocks"..

I am running an LG Optimus L70 (D321) with kitKat 4.4.2
After just installing copilot, and stopping at the point it wants to install the maps, I see that copilot is scattered all over the place
It has files in /data/app-lib/
/data/data
/data/media/0/
/data/user/0/
/mnt/sdcard/
/mnt/shell/emulated/0/
/pkg/
/storage/emulated/0/
Several have the user.cfg file in them.
Which one do I edit? Which one do I move to my external SD card.
On my phone the external is /storage/external_SD/Android/
This was way easy in ICS

OK, got things moved around so my maps go to my EXTERNAL SD card.
On my LG Optimus L70 (D321 Cricket) running kitkat 4.4.2 the external sd card is located:
/storage/external_SD/Android/data/
you must point to the "ANDROID/DATA" or it will not work.
I did find one short issue, Copilot still looks at the INTERNAL SD CARD for the amount of available storage. It may balk if you try to download the entire USA, 1.77 GB or all of North America 1.87 GB. I had to DL it in sections and all worked fine.

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Warning: 4.4.2 update breaks SD card access!

So, I just installed the 4.4.2 OTA and I immediately noticed one big problem: I wasn't able to modify content on my SD card. I wasn't able to delete folders, or create folders, or create files. Reading content was no problem, and the camera app was able to save pictures to the card, but going through a file manager wouldn't work.
I started to do some research and I found this post from the developer of my chosen file manager, FX:
https://plus.google.com/+TodLiebeck/posts/gjnmuaDM8sn
Then, while getting ready to post this, I found another related thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2641936
I thought this was a big enough deal to warrant a new thread here. Bottom line is you may want to hold off on this update, or at least go in with your eyes open because for a lot of people, like me, this is a BIG problem. It's damned near a dealbreaker for using my S4 as a matter of fact. Note that it does seem you're able to use the My Files app, but that's almost useless to me: FX has SMB support and I'm constantly pulling files off my server. I even have FolderSync set up to run every night, but I don't expect that'll work either (I'm about to try now).
Whether Samsung spits out a fix quickly, or whether I can root and fix this, it's a pretty significant problem. Be aware folks!

Then I will update after a stable de-knoxed ROM is available.
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Thanks.for this. I think I will still update as I plan on staying unrooted and will use "my files".
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Then I will update after a stable de-knoxed ROM is available.
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I'm all for avoiding Knox, but in this case it appears to not be Knox-related after all... looks like it was a permission change that Google mandated for devices with external storage and Samsung followed the specification to the letter. I think Tod Liebeck explained it better than I can though. I can only hope Samsung gets it together and quickly releases a patch... I've read in another thread that they may have done this before and quickly put out a fix... if so, shame on them for making the same mistake twice, but so long as a fix is forthcoming, so be it. I'm not so sure there will be one though, that's my concern.

It's early to call that is the bug since nobody mentioned this issue.
And all are busy how to update.
I will wait 48 hours until all things be more clear.
Could you try another SD card and tell us if the issue is happening to the new sd card?
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anees02 said:
It's early to call that is the bug since nobody mentioned this issue.
And all are busy how to update.
I will wait 48 hours until all things be more clear.
Could you try another SD card and tell us if the issue is happening to the new sd card?
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Thing is, it was something that was apparently talked about before the update on other devices with 4.4.2. It's not a bug per se, Samsung did what Google told them to do, and Google told them to do it, I'd bet, to push people towards cloud storage since they don't want external storage used anymore anyway. None of that matters though because the fact is it's hurting some users (though I'd agree that not all will be impacted- it all depends on how you use your device).
A different card wouldn't matter, it's not related to that at all. It's a permission change that Google mandated with 4.4 (or 4.3, I've seen some conflicting info) that only impacts devices with external storage, and Samsung chose to follow Google's specification exactly in this case, to the detriment of (some) users.

FYI, *IF* you're rooted, here's a solution that fixes this. Worked for me and easy to do:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2524277
Just remember to keep a copy so you can quickly undo it to take an OTA since I assume it'll stop an OTA.

Soooo lemme get this straight... Lets say I update to KitKat (NAE)and root it, and I have apps on my computer (like Flappy Bird APK for instance), I now cannot copy the Flappy Bird APK onto my SD Card then place it (using a root explorer) in system/app and use it?! If so this is a huge deal-breaker... Or am I misunderstanding this and there's more to it?

thankfully you can still create on the SD card from a computer when plugged. but i can confirm you cannot create anything on the SD card from ES file explorer, you can still create on the internal storage just fine tho

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Soooo lemme get this straight... Lets say I update to KitKat (NAE)and root it, and I have apps on my computer (like Flappy Bird APK for instance), I now cannot copy the Flappy Bird APK onto my SD Card then place it (using a root explorer) in system/app and use it?! If so this is a huge deal-breaker... Or am I misunderstanding this and there's more to it?
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You can still copy from your computer if you use a USB cable... if you instead have a shared drive on your PC and connect to it via SMB from a file explorer, you won't be able to copy a file to the SD card.
In addition, using a third-party file explorer you won't be able to create, rename, delete or edit files or directories on the SD card, nor will you be able to copy files from internal storage to your SD card. This is strictly a limitation placed on non-system apps (meaning any you yourself install).
If you're rooted though, a quick edit to a single system file will deal with this, but nobody should *have* to do that.

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You can still copy from your computer if you use a USB cable... if you instead have a shared drive on your PC and connect to it via SMB from a file explorer, you won't be able to copy a file to the SD card.
In addition, using a third-party file explorer you won't be able to create, rename, delete or edit files or directories on the SD card, nor will you be able to copy files from internal storage to your SD card. This is strictly a limitation placed on non-system apps (meaning any you yourself install).
If you're rooted though, a quick edit to a single system file will deal with this, but nobody should *have* to do that.
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That's ridiculous... what the hell Android/Samsung?!

Wow! Not trying to rub it in or anything but thank goodness I switched to the Nexus 5. What a nightmare. I hope Samsung fixes it soon for you guys
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Thanks for this, lets go here for any further discussion...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2646762

Oreo & SD Cards

There appears to be a problem moving files about on the SD Card when running under Oreo. It seems you can write to the card from say the camera or from the phone storage but moving or copying a file from the SD Card to another location on the SD Card doesn't work.
My mate with a different branded phone has the same issue so its not the Nokia 8, it is Oreo, anyone know of a fix?

Same issue here. Nokia TA-1004 updated to Oreo. SD Card has issues. Any files you copy to the SD card will have the file written physically, but with a read error on the destination file. The file will appear as zero bytes. But a simple restart will fix this.
Hope Nokia will fix this soon...
Edit: a restart will fix the files appearing correctly, but the issue still remains.

djunk said:
Same issue here. Nokia TA-1004 updated to Oreo. SD Card has issues. Any files you copy to the SD card will have the file written physically, but with a read error on the destination file. The file will appear as zero bytes. But a simple restart will fix this.
Hope Nokia will fix this soon...
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I can confirm this issue as well.
Tried total Commander and solid Explorer with same result - zero byte file
BTW factory reset does nothing as I have done it straight after updating to oreo (from recovery menu)

So, there's a way.
Use the default file manager, Files app. Copying and moving works well, from Internal to External memory and within also. I found the Files app rather basic, but it does work.
No zero bytes issue.
Just clear Files' app data and cache.
Works for me.
For 3rd party apps, we should wait for an update for the apps itself. I reinstalled File Manager + and X-plore, the issue is still present for these apps.
Maybe other file managers might work.

djunk said:
So, there's a way.
Use the default file manager, Files app. Copying and moving works well, from Internal to External memory and within also. I found the Files app rather basic, but it does work.
No zero bytes issue.
Just clear Files' app data and cache.
Works for me.
For 3rd party apps, we should wait for an update for the apps itself. I reinstalled File Manager + and X-plore, the issue is still present for these apps.
Maybe other file managers might work.
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I didn't know that the Nokia 8 comes equipped with a file manager app, is it made by Google? Can I find it on the play store please?

Yes, Nokia has its own file manager. No, its not made by Google and its not available in Playstore either.
Its called "Files" app, v8.0, because its Oreo maybe.
If you're using a 3rd party launcher, maybe it won't appear in your app list. Use the default launcher.
Or go to Settings -> Storage -> Internal Storage -> Files.
If you have an SD card, tap on the SD card in the storage settings to open the Files app.
Its integrated in the OS, can't be disabled, and I also can't find a way to extract its apk.
Hope you find it...

djunk said:
Yes, Nokia has its own file manager. No, its not made by Google and its not available in Playstore either.
Its called "Files" app, v8.0, because its Oreo maybe.
If you're using a 3rd party launcher, maybe it won't appear in your app list. Use the default launcher.
Or go to Settings -> Storage -> Internal Storage -> Files.
If you have an SD card, tap on the SD card in the storage settings to open the Files app.
Its integrated in the OS, can't be disabled, and I also can't find a way to extract its apk.
Hope you find it...
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Thanks a lot

It isn't a Nokia problem BTW, my mate is running Oreo (although not a final release) in his Galaxy S7 Edge and it has the same issue.

djunk said:
So, there's a way.
Use the default file manager, Files app. Copying and moving works well, from Internal to External memory and within also. I found the Files app rather basic, but it does work.
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I just tired moving 2 files from the system to the SD Card using the default file manager and both files were lost.

MrBelter said:
I just tired moving 2 files from the system to the SD Card using the default file manager and both files were lost.
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Remove and try reading the memory card on a computer, see if your files are there.
Clean data and cache for the Files app, and try again.
Can you try with another card for a chance.
Am using a Maxell class10 16gb card.
I hope this issue isn't related to card speeds or capacity.
I didn't try other cards though.
And other file managers still has the issue.

djunk said:
Remove and try reading the memory card on a computer, see if your files are there.
Clean data and cache for the Files app, and try again.
Can you try with another card for a chance.
Am using a Maxell class10 16gb card.
I hope this issue isn't related to card speeds or capacity.
I didn't try other cards though.
And other file managers still has the issue.
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It doesn't matter if the files are lost it was just to see if the default file explorer works correctly and it doesn't.
I am using a 64GB SanDisk Extreme Pro with 95MB/ reads and 90MB/s writes, i'd say that is a card that is up to the job. That said i don't think this is a anything to do with the cards people are using, i'd hazard a guess at Google changing how Android handles the files on an SD card in Oreo.

Well, seems we have to use the internal storage till Google makes this right...

Or the app makers work it out

At least X-plore works all right, Total Commander does have the problem as described.

No one seems to be updating any apps, i am wondering if Google borked it totally.

Well Google wouldn't care since they don't use SD cards on their devices. For me none of the 3rd party file managers work. Either we wait for Nokia to fix it or the app developers.

Also i discovered something else which is with the camera... If i choose to save the pictures on the SD when taking pictures, and press to see the photo from inside the camera app after i taken it, it wont open it.
It shows it as a small thumbnail that the photo was taken. Even if i go to the Photos to find the picture is not there. This only occurs when using the Nokia camera app and having selected to save on SD.
If i use a different camera app like the Google camera, or select from the Nokia camera app to save on the internal storage i don't have this issue.
I don't if that matters but im using a Samsung EVO Plus 64GB microSD

Paladin987 said:
Also i discovered something else which is with the camera... If i choose to save the pictures on the SD when taking pictures, and press to see the photo from inside the camera app after i taken it, it wont open it.
It shows it as a small thumbnail that the photo was taken. Even if i go to the Photos to find the picture is not there. This only occurs when using the Nokia camera app and having selected to save on SD.
If i use a different camera app like the Google camera, or select from the Nokia camera app to save on the internal storage i don't have this issue.
I don't if that matters but im using a Samsung EVO Plus 64GB microSD
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Try clearing the Cache Data for the stock camera app. On mine it works without issues, saving to Internal or SD card. I use a 16GB card though..

djunk said:
Try clearing the Cache Data for the stock camera app. On mine it works without issues, saving to Internal or SD card. I use a 16GB card though..
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Never crossed my mind to clear the cache, did and works now.
The weird thing is, that i talked to the support about this and they told me that the camera app doesn't have permissions to manage the SD storage so it won't work

SD card problems seem to be fixed in today's update