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OK, I know battery life is always an issue with PDA phones. I'm never far from a charger. I'm fine as long as I'm just checking e-mail (4 accounts, once an hour) and a little light web surfing with Opera Mini.
The problem arises when I use my phone as...well...a phone.
My Tilt loses battery power at an alarming rate when I'm talking on the phone. A 20 minute conversation will easily cost me 40% of my battery.
I'm usually in a non-3G area, so I'm on Edge. I normally have a good, strong 4-bar signal. Even when I'm in a 3G area, I use a different comm manager to turn off 3G to conserve power. I use KaiserTweak and select all the "Advised" settings in the power-related sections.
I've tried several different radios, but haven't noticed an improvement.
Does anyone have any ideas or recommendations on improving the efficiency of my Tilt in phone mode?
I have the same problem.
I have 3 batteries. 2 Samsungs and 1 Dynapak. Each battery lasts about 3 hours in standby. The phone is always warm as well. I have a utility that shows the phone is running around 380mAh current. That's seems pretty high.
I think theres something seriously wrong with certain batches of these phones.
these phones r seriously poor for battery life.. i love the htc but they slowly being overttaken by other phones.. shame!
maybe depends on the battery and ROM/radio because my Kaiser lasts 1 gay of VERY heavy usage+calling, and in stand by can lasts 6 days at least.
profusion said:
maybe depends on the battery and ROM/radio because my Kaiser lasts 1 gay of VERY heavy usage+calling, and in stand by can lasts 6 days at least.
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Really??
So, what battery are you using? Which ROM? Which radio?
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maybe depends on the battery and ROM/radio because my Kaiser lasts 1 day of VERY heavy usage+calling, and in stand by can lasts 6 days at least.
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mine too or maybe more. Normally I charge every 2 days.
Seriously though, hasn't this topic been beat to death with a stylus?
Ask youself this, how is your battery and what all is running on the phone?
If the battery is a year old then just accept that it's shelf life is over with. If your phone is always warm that would general mean that one of the radios is running, Wifi , data, gps? If any of those are running all of the time or when you are not using it, then your draining the battery.
I have a friend that beat himself up trying to figure out why his battery would drain so fast, he reflashed the phone 3 times a day etc etc etc. He just could not accept that it was a crappy battery. I got another (used battery) and it worked fine.
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mine too or maybe more. Normally I charge every 2 days.
Seriously though, hasn't this topic been beat to death with a stylus?
Ask youself this, how is your battery and what all is running on the phone?
If the battery is a year old then just accept that it's shelf life is over with. If your phone is always warm that would general mean that one of the radios is running, Wifi , data, gps? If any of those are running all of the time or when you are not using it, then your draining the battery.
I have a friend that beat himself up trying to figure out why his battery would drain so fast, he reflashed the phone 3 times a day etc etc etc. He just could not accept that it was a crappy battery. I got another (used battery) and it worked fine.
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Me too used to get about 2 days with a 2700 that is being registered correctly, i now tell everyone to not phone me "well they don't listen just like no one does" so i block all incoming calls with MagiCall, to what point do i have a phone now? To flash & twaek and text
"Am kinda joking but my stylus is now half the size due to this topic"
Buy a new battery.
I don't dig long phone calls unless there is something going on. Too many people just want to hang out on the phone and say nothing.
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Buy a new battery.
I don't dig long phone calls unless there is something going on. Too many people just want to hang out on the phone and say nothing.
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Mine is a new battery Have to say same about people talking about nothing.
"The loss of battery was due to phonecall and radio i'm not moaning either i expect the battery life to not be perfect on any WM phone"
Well yeah radio version help too.
ChumleyEX said:
mine too or maybe more. Normally I charge every 2 days.
Seriously though, hasn't this topic been beat to death with a stylus?
Ask youself this, how is your battery and what all is running on the phone?
If the battery is a year old then just accept that it's shelf life is over with. If your phone is always warm that would general mean that one of the radios is running, Wifi , data, gps? If any of those are running all of the time or when you are not using it, then your draining the battery.
I have a friend that beat himself up trying to figure out why his battery would drain so fast, he reflashed the phone 3 times a day etc etc etc. He just could not accept that it was a crappy battery. I got another (used battery) and it worked fine.
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This isn't my first foray into these HTC devices. I've been using them for nearly 2 years now, and I know the battery life on these devices isn't what it is on something like my old RAZR. I'm just fine with that; since the Tilt does so much more, I don't expect the charge to last a week like my RAZR did. But this drain while using the phone is driving me nuts.
FYI, I know to keep WiFi and GPS off, and to use KaiserTweak to shut down data connections when they're not being used. If I don't use the phone or surf, the battery will easily last me 2 days, and that's with checking 4 e-mail accounts every hour, and with SBSH PocketWeather getting updates every 2 hours. But talk on the phone, and it's a different story. I talked to my wife for about 30 minutes last night and went from 80% to 20% battery level.
The battery is only about 7-8 months old. Still, I ordered a new 1600ma battery last week, and it should be here in a day or two. I'm hoping that solves the problem.
It's possible that the battery you have now is under warranty. (if you bought the phone new)
good luck.
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It's possible that the battery you have now is under warranty. (if you bought the phone new)
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Unfortunately, it was a refurb, and the warranty expired a long time ago. The new battery wasn't exactly a budget killer.
Well my battery seems to be working now.
Phone is no longer hot all the time, and my utility says I'm using between 1 and 64 mA. That's much better than the 350+ mA it was sucking before.
I didn't do a damn thing different either. Didn't change any settings for the radios, didn't reflash, etc..
Some people think that the GPS get's stuck in the "on" position and there's no way to turn it off, short of opening and closing GPS Aware programs repeatedly until your current usage drops in the sub 100 mA range.
Always discharge your battery fully as possible at least 1 a week to ensure your battery last longer, lots of charges above the threshold will diminish your batteries life and capacity. The Kaiser is a powerful device and it is obvious to anyone that this requires power to run it, so the battery wont last for days. :-(
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Always discharge your battery fully as possible at least 1 a week to ensure your battery last longer, lots of charges above the threshold will diminish your batteries life and capacity. The Kaiser is a powerful device and it is obvious to anyone that this requires power to run it, so the battery wont last for days. :-(
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HUH???????
These are Lithium batteries, we aren't in the 90's anymore buddy.. My phone lasts for at least 2 days and sometimes 3 (the phone is over a year old too)..
Welcome to the year 2009
"1. Battery Memory - When I first got my new cellphone, my friend recommended to fully drain the battery before recharging it. His reasoning was connected to the idea of battery memory. Allowing the battery to fully discharge then recharging to max, supposedly gives you the complete battery capacity. Otherwise, if you simply charged from the half way point to max battery capacity, the battery would treat the half way point as the empty point, thus cutting your battery capacity in half.
Problem is battery memory doesn’t apply to Lithium batteries, this advice was meant for Nickel based batteries. Fully discharging your Lithium battery frequently can actually be quite harmful to your battery’s health, possibly rendering it completely unusable if energy levels go too low.
The good news is today’s lithium batteries have a safety circuit in place to insure the battery doesn’t reach the point of no return. The safety circuit isn’t fool proof of course, if you leave your battery completely drained for a few days, even the circuit’s protective measures won’t save it.
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INFACT it's recommended to leave a little bit of a charge before charging or storing.
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Be that as it may, when you get a new battery you still have to use it for a few weeks before the phone reports battery levels accurately. The phone may still shut down when WM thinks it's almost empty, regardless if it's actually empty or not. Just try it, battery life improves over the first few weeks of usage, and your battery level readings will get more stable (instead of dropping to 50% in 10 minutes and then proceeding to stay there for 6 hours).
BTW my kaiser lasts about 3 days as well, with fairly heavy usage.
No fair, I want a bazillion stars next to my name too.
I Think this guy has had the phone and battery for a little while, so the few weeks thing might not be an option. (well at least the battery he was posting about)
HUH???????
These are Lithium batteries, we aren't in the 90's anymore buddy.. My phone lasts for at least 2 days and sometimes 3 (the phone is over a year old too)..
Welcome to the year 2009
"1. Battery Memory - When I first got my new cellphone, my friend recommended to fully drain the battery before recharging it. His reasoning was connected to the idea of battery memory. Allowing the battery to fully discharge then recharging to max, supposedly gives you the complete battery capacity. Otherwise, if you simply charged from the half way point to max battery capacity, the battery would treat the half way point as the empty point, thus cutting your battery capacity in half.
Problem is battery memory doesn’t apply to Lithium batteries, this advice was meant for Nickel based batteries. Fully discharging your Lithium battery frequently can actually be quite harmful to your battery’s health, possibly rendering it completely unusable if energy levels go too low.
The good news is today’s lithium batteries have a safety circuit in place to insure the battery doesn’t reach the point of no return. The safety circuit isn’t fool proof of course, if you leave your battery completely drained for a few days, even the circuit’s protective measures won’t save it.
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INFACT it's recommended to leave a little bit of a charge before charging or storing.
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As refered to your reply, i didnt mean discharge fully completely i meant the cut off point would stop you anyhow, i meant to bring it to about 10%, i found that using the battery until it reaches 10-12% far by decreases battery drain when it is fully charged again, this is only 1 in a while though not frequently. I understand lithuim-ion doesnt have a memory effect problem, but there is such thing as variable current influencing different cells which can either benefit or make it worst, there is a lot of debate as to whether this improves it or not.
Great tip, keep it cool and away from your pocket pants because heat kills it.
Dude thats no fun to keep it out of your pocket,
hi!
i have a question regarding charing the battery. let's say the xperia z has something like 63% battery left. and i put it on the dock and let it charge up to 100% (or even less, e.g. 90%). and i do this quite often, will it some kind of "damage" or harm the battery, so that the battery life will decrease?
i mean the battery life doesn't seem to be that good, so i plan when coming home to put it on the dock, whether the battery is empty or not. and then when not used, leaving the phone on the doc.
thanks for your help & have a nice day
hebbe said:
hi!
i have a question regarding charing the battery. let's say the xperia z has something like 63% battery left. and i put it on the dock and let it charge up to 100% (or even less, e.g. 90%). and i do this quite often, will it some kind of "damage" or harm the battery, so that the battery life will decrease?
i mean the battery life doesn't seem to be that good, so i plan when coming home to put it on the dock, whether the battery is empty or not. and then when not used, leaving the phone on the doc.
thanks for your help & have a nice day
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I heard it's better than discharging to 0% and then charging it back to 100%. Not sure though
Al Gore said:
I heard it's better than discharging to 0% and then charging it back to 100%. Not sure though
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That was the case with old-style Nickel-Cadmium batteries, but no phone has used those in a long time. With modern Lithium-based batteries, regularly charging shouldn't be an issue.
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That was the case with old-style Nickel-Cadmium batteries, but no phone has used those in a long time. With modern Lithium-based batteries, regularly charging shouldn't be an issue.
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thanks for all the answers.
so i can charge it as often and as long as i want, independent from its actual battery status? it won't lose power after time? even if i charge just from 70% to 75%?
hebbe said:
thanks for all the answers.
so i can charge it as often and as long as i want, independent from its actual battery status? it won't lose power after time? even if i charge just from 70% to 75%?
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It definitely will, my iPod is discharging quicker (at least it seems so) than a year ago when I bought it, and my current phone's battery (8 year old) can last like 20 minutes of talk time
hebbe said:
thanks for all the answers.
so i can charge it as often and as long as i want, independent from its actual battery status? it won't lose power after time? even if i charge just from 70% to 75%?
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It will lose power after time - all batteries do. You can charge it as long and as often as you want, it doesn't matter. If the battery loses its capacity - remember that Sony covered it under 24 months warranty and you'll get it replaced it its maximum capacity falls down under ~75% of its original capacity.
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It will lose power after time - all batteries do. You can charge it as long and as often as you want, it doesn't matter. If the battery loses its capacity - remember that Sony covered it under 24 months warranty and you'll get it replaced it its maximum capacity falls down under ~75% of its original capacity.
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Do they test it somehow or can I just go to Sony service center every 11 months and get a new battery?
Akiainavas said:
It will lose power after time - all batteries do. You can charge it as long and as often as you want, it doesn't matter. If the battery loses its capacity - remember that Sony covered it under 24 months warranty and you'll get it replaced it its maximum capacity falls down under ~75% of its original capacity.
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thanks.
but how do i determine if the capacity has fallen down under ~75%?
Al Gore said:
Do they test it somehow or can I just go to Sony service center every 11 months and get a new battery?
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hebbe said:
thanks.
but how do i determine if the capacity has fallen down under ~75%?
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There are free apps on the market that can assess your battery capacity. Of course if you're going to claim warranty - Sony will check it with more accurate methods, but even those free apps can measue your batterys's health quite accurately.
I'm not sure about the 75% number. Might be lower, might be higher. Usually it's set at 80% but i'd have to check that in the warranty itself ( will update the number when i get home )
Hi there
I am considering of buying a new phone.
Is the HTC One M7 a good choice?
Because the phone is almost 2 years old and is probably not beeing produced anymore.
So I am affraid that the battery in the new phone already lost capacity.
Anyone who has some advice around this topic?
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Hi there
I am considering of buying a new phone.
Is the HTC One M7 a good choice?
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Yes
Because the phone is almost 2 years old and is probably not beeing produced anymore.
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No its not produced anymore.
So I am affraid that the battery in the new phone already lost capacity.
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Lithium batteries doesn't loose their capacity when not used (yes but its an inconsiderable %) if they are stored adequately (not in extreme heat conditions). Lithium batteries have a discharge rate of about 1-1.5%/month when not in use so in the worst case, your battery will need a longer initial charge. Keep in mind that mobile phone batteries are expected to last about 3 years when used daily. Lithium batteries doesn't need maintenance or conditioning and there is no "memory effect" unlike NiCad batteries.
What will make a lithium battery to loose capacity is
the amount of discharge/charge cycles --> inevitable
Temperature of operation: when temps increase, life span decrease. So avoid overheat conditions like playing intense game and charging the phone at the same time.
the amount of deep discharge: a lithium battery will last longer if you avoid deep discharge, so its better to charge your phone daily instead of waiting it to reach 0%.
you can expect that your battery will loose about 10% of its capacity after 500 cycle (general rules for lithium batteries), sometime it can be more sometime it can be less.
Charge rate: when charge rate increase, battery life decrease. So yes charging your phone using a fast charger will decrease battery life.
Yes. Still worth buying. My experience though is that my battery after a year and a half of use has degraded somewhat (duh). Lately it has been more noticeable with large drops, but I've been very tough on this thing. I am going to be taking the phone apart later this week and replacing the battery. It looked intimidating at first because there are so many steps involved, but really once you get the One open, it's pretty smooth sailing. There are plenty of good methods out there for getting it open without damaging it.
The best thing about the m7 is there is plenty of development still going on, including official and no official and stock. Love my One.
Oneplus 3 is an awesome phone no doubt (if you don't damage it). However with the dash charging, there's a high chance we might need replacement batteries for the phone after a year or two.
Does anyone know where we would be able to obtain dash capable batteries for replacement? It would be a great disappointment if we are not able to replace it.
*it is a concern because at least in Singapore, there is 0 support despite purchasing a local set. You will be given an email to make an appointment to bring your set down to a location, but NO ONE will respond to your email. Oneplus Singapore Facebook as well as official reseller do not provide any support either.
Why would Dash Charge wreck the battery? Afterall if anything the phone heats up less than other phones, because the charging is handled by the adapter, not the phone.
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Why would Dash Charge wreck the battery? Afterall if anything the phone heats up less than other phones, because the charging is handled by the adapter, not the phone.
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You have a point there. However, batteries will eventually degrade, so it would be great to be able to do a replacement when the time comes
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You have a point there. However, batteries will eventually degrade, so it would be great to be able to do a replacement when the time comes
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Most damage to a battery is done at night when you charge a phone when you've gone to sleep, as the charger will put it to 100% and keep it there throughout the night, which puts more strain on the battery. (just look into Sony Qnovo battery charging tech in their new phones).
The dash charger has been proven to change people's charging habits. For example I wake up at 7.30am to go to work at 9am, as soon as I wake up I put my phone on charge. Thus meaning it stays at 100% for less time, and so degrades slower.
just keep your battery b/w 40-80% and it's all good
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just keep your battery b/w 40-80% and it's all good
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That's bull**** and bears any real usage
Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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Awesome! However, the battery capacity seems to be much lower than 3000mah
Stay away from buying non oem batteries. You don't want your phone to be the next Note 7 lol.
Again you wont need a new battery. It degrade really slow. The problem with fastcharging is heat. Batteries dont like heat. Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%. Again it doesnt matter what you do.. If u drain it to 0% its not fully empty so really doesnt matter!
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Again you wont need a new battery. It degrade really slow. The problem with fastcharging is heat. Batteries dont like heat. Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%. Again it doesnt matter what you do.. If u drain it to 0% its not fully empty so really doesnt matter!
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Personally I change battery ever 1.5 to 2 years. Batteries have a lifespan and degrade over time. It degrades faster with heat. It's quite disappointing that no one is sellong replacements though.
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Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%.
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Exactly. The controller stops the current flow at full charge. It will not top it up if you keep it plugged in such as in the overnight scenario.
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Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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The model number on eBay is BLP607.
You'll need BLP613 for OP3.
Maybe after a longer time there will be more replacements, if there aren't already.
If the OnePlus's battery it good I don't see a need for a replacement personality because I change phone after 2 years, when factory support ends and I'm tired of the phone.
I am pretty sure you can't wait to buy a new one before the battery degrade to an unacceptable level.
Like my OnePlus 1, which still has a quite decent battery time, though it has already become my son's toy.
So, don't worry about this too much.
Majority of the users will replace their phones instead of a degraded battery within 2 years. Unless the battery is defective then yea that would be understandable. If you are one the minority who upgrades every 3+ years then kudos to yall for having the will power to resist the upgrade fever.
is there no one who works at one plus and also uses xda?
that dude can help us in getting batteries from the supplier of one plus.
I am using my xperia ZL since 2013. i changed its battery a while ago. now i feel it is time to change my device. moving on to one plus 3 soon.
I think my OnePlus 3 battery is pretty broaken already. Last me for around 4 houers so i need to recharge it several times a day.
I cant find a original battery, so ill probably have to get a not OEM one
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I think my OnePlus 3 battery is pretty broaken already. Last me for around 4 houers so i need to recharge it several times a day.
I cant find a original battery, so ill probably have to get a not OEM one
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Strange. Are you on stock ROM?
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Strange. Are you on stock ROM?
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Yes I am. Android 7.1.1 and Oxygen 4.1.3
AccuBattery says my battery is 87% helathy and on 2611 mAh instead of 3000mAh, but feels like much less
I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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When I got it to die In 30-40 min I was on a phone call and surfing instagram. Took the tumi out yesterday with 80% battery in it and had my phones screen off streaming music over Bluetooth. The phone charged up about 25% before the battery pack died. Any ideas on how I could improve the battery life? My moto mods manager is up to date and I don't get any prompts to update anything whenever I snap on the mods
I was surprised when I found this post, so I checked how many percent of battery do I get with a my incipio battery mod. I plugged the mod, my phone's battery was at 15% and the battery mod was at 100%.
Now the Incipio battery mod is empty and my phone's battery is at 50%. So it charged my phone by 35%.
Pretty disappointing for a 2220 mAh battery that costs almost 100€ ...
To me the best use of the mod is to snap it on when the Moto Z Play is fully charged and to chose the option to keep the phone battery at 80%. With normal use, i've seen the mod keep the phone at 80% for up to a day. To me the mod is not meant to charge the phone but more to keep it from discharging.
To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
tag68 said:
To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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The battery mods are not particularly useful for the Z Play because if you charge every night, you have basically unlimited battery life. Battery packs are extremely useful for the regular Z, though, which has extremely poor battery life on its own. They're basically mandatory for the Z.
I'm shocked that battery mods can only charge your internal battery and can't be used directly (discharging the mod battery instead of the internal battery), the same way Thinkpads that have more than one battery can do. That makes the $80 (vs maybe $10 for a 2000 mah ravpower) cost all the more eyebrow-raising.
I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity, making the internal battery the backup battery and wearing out the easily replaceable, easily swappable mods instead.
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I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity,
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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Same sources as you, personal experience and basic knowledge (battery life being measured in cycles). I'm not even completely worried about average aging, but out of a batch of millions of batteries, plenty will start to experience rapid discharge early, even without abnormal heat, not to the point of being completely dead, but certainly no longer tolerable. Today's phone batteries might actually tolerate heat better than in the past, having been built for quick charging, which is the hottest a sd625 seems to get.
I've read manuals and battery university and a few tech blog articles all of which have differing advice, just like you and me, but I have yet to find a source I find credible (based on diverse large scale testing not limited anecdotal evidence or in the case of manuals, insanely outdated nicad-era stuff). And, sincerely no offense intended, I'm unlikely to decide cycles don't matter and weight your anecdotal evidence over mine anymore than you'd weight mine over yours. But if you ever find a good source with those comparisons, I'd be pleased to check it out too.
tag68 said:
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
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Because I'm a very heavy user of my phone and don't want to worry about power even if I can't get to a outlet during the day.
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
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Because the bat mod is easy to slap on and keep on all the time (when I'm not using a different mod). Then I never have to worry about taking the pack with me or not or carrying the extra cable with me or not.
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time?
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Because I don't want to have to worry about having the charger with me or finding a spot to charge.
I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
RedRamage said:
I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I quite like just not having to charge for three days. I have the battery mod which I use on the efficiency mode, and I got over a full day out of it. At the end of day three I had nearly 30% battery left. Probably enough for most of one more day.
The other thing for me is using wireless charging. I like just slapping my phone on a stand overnight when I do charge it. It charges slowly, yes, but it doesn't matter if I am charging overnight. I still have access to the quick charger if I need to get a full battery quick!
I use mine on my motorcycle where I'm riding for 10 hours a day. I'm at about 50% in 4 hours and dead by 7 or 8, so I'm hoping with the additional battery MOD that I can get at least 12 hours charge. I'm really bad about remembering to plug my phone in when I stop for a break!
@tag68 : dude I think you totally missed to read what @fortunz was saying, he was only pointing that he would like the Mods to be used as a primary source battery instead of being a "ultra-portable power bank".
Given that there is also a fraction of the power being lost in the form of heat, during charge/transfer, it is even more silly from Motorola not to have the battery used directly. I can say by the 25-35% charge from the Mods estimated from other users, that the efficiency is somewhere around 50%, HORRIBLE to say the least.
And yeah I was reading through both of your posts and good information was provided, although unnecessary friction used (not naming anyone).
I actually have kind of the same idea from @fortunz to prolong the battery life of my Z-play even with the mod just being a power bank.
Saying that the mods (~2220mah) charge your phone anywhere between 25-35%, I can actually take the top 25-35% out of my internal battery use and move it to the Mod.
So I can charge my phone up to 70% before going to bed, and then when my phone reaches 30% during the use next day, I'll just slap the mod.
I can allow myself a lot of variation to this, I will not be religious about it, the topic is to avoid hitting 100% charge, and instead, moving the wear of that 30% usage to the Mod.
According, to many articles, citing just one below, considering the depth of discharges and voltage levels, you guys might do the equation if you like, but according to the charts and theory:
charging my phone twice a day trying not to exceed 70%, will give me WAY more longevity run than charging up to 100% every day.
First charge will be from around 15% which is my normal deadline to around 70% with a wall charger, before going to bed.
Second charge will be from the mod from around 30% to around 60% (hopefully), which will give me portability while charging.
Total screen on time during the day, should be around 10% less, but well worth and I can definitely take the hit if getting more battery longevity as a trade.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Huh, it even makes sense when explaining to other people...
In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
fortunz said:
In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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Sadly that application requires root... and I don't want to unlock the bootloader and then having to worry about SafetyNet...
For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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Well said
Thanks for the tip! I'll have it mind!
At the moment I don't feel like unlocking the bootloader because I'm planning to use the moto Mods and these can't be used with custom ROMs yet, and I have no use for root other than changing the work mode on Greenify but it already works well enough in No-Root mode, so for me there is no true benefit.
A good resource for lithium batteries are rc helicopter forums. Helis use speed controllers of many tens of amps, drain the batteries in minutes versus days to low levels and charge them at high speed. What reduces their life is heat, overcharging the voltage or over discharging the voltage. They do not age if left in a partial charge. You can let them sit for years unused and they will lose very little capacity. If you only run them at 70%cycle, they last about 3000 cycles.
Well, that was weird.
Phone at 9%, mophie mod at 100%. Put it on, barely used the phone (even took a nap). About an hour later, the mophie mod is at 50%, but the phone actually went down to 8%. Took off the mod and the phone went immediately to 4%. Ouch.
Mod normally works fine. It'll keep the phone at 80% for most of the day just fine. Not sure what was going on.