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We seem to have a lot of confusion in the Atrix forum about the implications of an encrypted and or locked bootloader.
What is a bootloader?
See this article for a decent description.
Is the bootloader on the Atrix encrypted?
We don't know and likely will not know until the phone is released and people smarter than I can look at it. No reviews, including the Engadget review, have looked at whether the bootloader is encrypted. However, some have inaccurately said that it is because the installation of non-market apps is not permitted the bootloader is encrypted. However, this is a separate issue and is a requirement imposed by ATT that has nothing to do with the bootloader.
Why do people assume the bootloader is encypted?
Motorola has a strong recent history of releasing encrypted bootloaders, see the Droid X and Milestone phones. Most of the current discussion about the bootloader is limited to what we have seen from Motorola in the past. That being said, there is some hope that the bootloader will not be encrypted. In prior phones, such as the Droid X and Milestone, Motorola relied on the eFuse feature of Texas Instruments OMAP processors. Given that the Atrix uses an Nvidia Tegra 2 chip it is unlikely that Motorola can utilize the same eFuse technology.
As a result, there is some reason to be optimistic that the Atrix will only have a locked and not encrypted bootloader.
What is the difference between a locked and encrypted bootloader?
This is a good post on the topic. Locked bootloaders are on almost all android phones, including the Nexus S. Although certain locks, such as the Nexus S, are easier to open. A locked bootloader is essentially software that is written in such a way so as to prevent you from gaining access. So far XDA devs have been very skilled at cracking locked bootloaders by finding holes in this software.
An encrypted bootloader, from my understanding, is not itself encrypted, but signed by an encryption key. The phones hardware will refuse to boot unless the software that it attempts to boot is signed with the correct encryption key. The only options to crack this protection appear to be to go around the bootloader which is unlikely or to crack the encryption which also appears unlikely. See this post for more discussion.
What does an encypted bootloader mean to me?
This post at Android Forums provides a great summary of the effects of an encrypted bootloader. If you have the time, the entire thread is very informative.
The bad news is an encrypted bootloader likely means no custom kernels. This means that custom ROMs must rely on the official kernel. It also means the OS version (Froyo, Gingerbread . . .) is limited to whatever the official release is. The good news is that root access is still be possible. Root access allows you to run certain applications as the root or administrator. This allows for a lot of customization and hacking of your phone.
In the end, an encrypted bootloader may hinder your ability to completely hack the phone.
Can an encrypted bootloader be cracked?
Unlikely. For a brief discussion see this post and read the thread for a better understanding. I am aware that there is a team working on cracking the Milestone encryption using the BIONIC platform and a distributed computing effort, see androinc.net. However, even that team admits that the second coming of the dinosaurs may occur before they crack the encryption. I believe on the Milestone that the encryption is 1024 bit, which according to androinc.net may take hundreds of thousands of years to crack using a brute force method, even on a distributed computing platform.
Can a locked bootloader be cracked?
We won't know until we see it, but likely yes. Generally all software coded by humans has some error in it that can be exploited.
Why should I care if the bootloader protection cannot be circumvented?
You don't have to. But, in today's environment, consumers are tied to a 2 year contracts but new phones are released on a 1 year or less timeline. This means the device you buy today will likely be forgotten by your carrier and the phone manufacturer long before your contract is up. The inability to load custom kernels means that consumers cannot upgrade their own phones after the manufacturer decides to no longer support the phone. The decision to stop supporting upgrades often occurs well before a phones 2 year birthday, see the Motorola Upgrade Roadmap.
In addition, many people believe that they have purchased the phone hardware and should be permitted to do anything that they please with the hardware.
** I do not claim to be an expert, I have only recanted the results of my research. If I have made a mistake please let me know.
thanks for writing this i was going to my self today as i have been fighting people all day with this, i was trying to get motorola to tell me as i had a few reps available in a forum and one said that he will get back to me shortly with an answer ... but i was having to do so with people that dont know the difference chiming in and making the q&a with moto hard even for some one who does know what hes talking about ... any how i will update when i get my reply, and thanks again for putting info in right place btw up at top you put milestone instead of atrix
What a great and informative post. THIS SHOULD BE STICKIED for the time being to prevent future threads that ask the same questions. Great job.
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What a great and informative post. THIS SHOULD BE STICKIED for the time being to prevent future threads that ask the same questions. Great job.
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+1 here, very informative.
Thanks and sorry about the typos.
Nice job both in the layout and in maintaining an unbiased take on the possibilities.
thankyou for explaining that so well
can we get a MOD to sticky this for a while, at least until we know whether it is encrypted or what not. could really cut down on the "does the bootloader restrict me from doing xxxxxxxxxxx?" chatter on all the threads.
+1 Great post! Guess we'll have to wait for quantum computers before we can crack 1024bit encryption in under a lifetime (seconds probably.) But very informative, I'm off to read everything you linked in your post.
Excellent post sir!
Great post! This should be required reading...
That means that if the Atrix 4G is HSUPA disabled, there's no way around it?
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That means that if the Atrix 4G is HSUPA disabled, there's no way around it?
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please post in the general forum where a thread is going about this. however, it can mostly likely be resolved with a new modem driver.
I have an Atrix 4G in my hand... how can I find out if the bootloader is encrypted?
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I have an Atrix 4G in my hand... how can I find out if the bootloader is encrypted?
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I would like to know also. I know there are other threads about this the only problem is that there are 6 different answers/opinions.
Does not look good:
The Atrix 4G has a locked and encrypted bootloader. More bootloader related announcements are forthcoming.
http://getsatisfaction.com/motorola...tm_medium=email&utm_source=reply_notification
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Does not look good:
The Atrix 4G has a locked and encrypted bootloader. More bootloader related announcements are forthcoming.
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... and here just for the record:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45249?start=15&tstart=0
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... and here just for the record:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45249?start=15&tstart=0
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I saw both of those. I am not totally convinced by a PR response, even if it is from Moto. So far the devs here in XDA seem to think it is only signed. I am inclined to believe them more, at least until I see otherwise.
Also, I need to update my OP and will try and do so tonight.
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I saw both of those. I am not totally convinced by a PR response, even if it is from Moto. So far the devs here in XDA seem to think it is only signed. I am inclined to believe them more, at least until I see otherwise.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45249?start=15&tstart=0
Also, I need to update my OP and will try and do so tonight.
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... the number of page views for this topic is bad PR, isn't it? It is just a act/react thing, you know ...
Who is your daddy and what does he do?
I dunno why but that's immediately what I thought of, lol
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Hi XDA Community.
Just recently bought a (Verizon) Moto X DE and am excited to join the XDA forums. This will be my first Android device (coming from iOS) and look forward to diving into rooting etc.. I've been reading and learning a lot on this forum and others since I received the phone a couple of days ago. I plan on spending a decent amount of time tinkering with my new toy and hopefully can add my experiences to the community for other newcomers like myself going forward.
A few of things I'll be starting off with based on the research I've already done:
1. Unlocking the bootloader on my Moto X DE
2. Rooting on 4.4 KitKat
3. Enabling native tethering
4. Installing Xposed and Gravity Box
5. ????
6. Profit
Let me know if you guys have any general tips or noobie advice. I don't have a ton of free time these days, but I look forward to exploring the forums further and adding any useful input where I can.
Respect.
Well one of the thing's you have to do , to post to development-related forums, is have 10 or more post's.
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Hi XDA Community.
Just recently bought a (Verizon) Moto X DE and am excited to join the XDA forums. This will be my first Android device (coming from iOS) and look forward to diving into rooting etc.. I've been reading and learning a lot on this forum and others since I received the phone a couple of days ago. I plan on spending a decent amount of time tinkering with my new toy and hopefully can add my experiences to the community for other newcomers like myself going forward.
A few of things I'll be starting off with based on the research I've already done:
1. Unlocking the bootloader on my Moto X DE
2. Rooting on 4.4 KitKat
3. Enabling native tethering
4. Installing Xposed and Gravity Box
5. ????
6. Profit
Let me know if you guys have any general tips or noobie advice. I don't have a ton of free time these days, but I look forward to exploring the forums further and adding any useful input where I can.
Respect.
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Welcome! I think you will love this phone. I don't know if your list was intended to be in order, but I suggest installing the Moto Tether module in Xposed to very easily get native tethering. It is far simpler than the other methods floating around out there. Only other advice I can give you (and it looks like you are already well on your way toward doing this) is to read a lot before you ask questions. 9 times out of 10 your question has already been answered somewhere, and the old-timers around here don't like answering the same questions over and over. Enjoy your X!
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Welcome! I think you will love this phone. I don't know if your list was intended to be in order, but I suggest installing the Moto Tether module in Xposed to very easily get native tethering. It is far simpler than the other methods floating around out there. Only other advice I can give you (and it looks like you are already well on your way toward doing this) is to read a lot before you ask questions. 9 times out of 10 your question has already been answered somewhere, and the old-timers around here don't like answering the same questions over and over. Enjoy your X!
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its not that we dont like answering the same questions over and over it is just we have taken the time to make these threads with all the answer and get them stickyed and no one reads them before posting lol. one of the reason why i havent created the general questions and answers yet. wait for all this 4.4.2 stuff to get over with and see what error we get before i throw it up.
Welcome! I think you'll enjoy yourself here. And the steps you've already done should be enough for a great and interesting experience. You can also try different launchers, like nova, aviate or themer, to customize your experience even more.
Thanks all for the welcomes. Personally, I think the search-and-read-before-posting guidelines apply to most all forums and not just XDA.
Anywho, I appreciate the feed back/advice re: the tethering module on Xposed. Will definitely check that out. Also it's prolly worth mentioning that I primarily use a Mac as my main machine. I'll be happy to post any simple advice I can as I go along. I can easily boot up into Windows if I feel that its too much of a hassle on Mac.
I'm not much for welcoming, but you made a great decision by going developer edition. I would seriously research using fastboot. There are a lot of other tools here, and they all work well enough, but people left and right are bricking their phones using ez mode toolkits cause they don't know how they work and what they are really doing. Hell I'll admit I don't know how they work because they are unnecessary. I've had 3 different 4.4.2 builds from 3 different countries and never came close to bricking. Last night I finally went T-Mobile 4.4.2 I was fully stock, upgraded and rerooted and flashed recovery in 20 mins while playing video games online. Seriously, learn to use fastboot you'll thank me later.
MotoX Developer Edition went from German 4.4.2 to Great Britain 4.4.2 to T-Mobile 4.4.2 no problem. Fastboot FTW!
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I'm not much for welcoming, but you made a great decision by going developer edition. I would seriously research using fastboot. There are a lot of other tools here, and they all work well enough, but people left and right are bricking their phones using ez mode toolkits cause they don't know how they work and what they are really doing. Hell I'll admit I don't know how they work because they are unnecessary. I've had 3 different 4.4.2 builds from 3 different countries and never came close to bricking. Last night I finally went T-Mobile 4.4.2 I was fully stock, upgraded and rerooted and flashed recovery in 20 mins while playing video games online. Seriously, learn to use fastboot you'll thank me later.
MotoX Developer Edition went from German 4.4.2 to Great Britain 4.4.2 to T-Mobile 4.4.2 no problem. Fastboot FTW!
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Dude fastboot is probably the easiest thing to do as long as you have the commands in front of your face your golden.
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Dude fastboot is probably the easiest thing to do as long as you have the commands in front of your face your golden.
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I'm glad that I always use fastboot. This is probably the best advice you will ever get. Don't rely on tool kits.
Yeah, I manually rooted using fastboot very easily. However I was slowed down a bit trying to use mfastboot at first, which didn't work. Anyone know the difference between these?
Successfully unlocked bootloader, rooted, installed Xposed/all the modules I felt like I needed including MotoX tether and a couple of other neat ones I came across. Currently trying to find a way to access Google Now commands offline, ie: set alarms/reminders without data connection. Thinking that this method should work: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2571466 but I'm trying to figure out if I can accomplish the same thing with a free Tasker-like app.
It seems like Tasker is an absolute buy must for serious Android users. I'm thinking that I'll eventually have to just shell out the $3 for it...
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Yeah, I manually rooted using fastboot very easily. However I was slowed down a bit trying to use mfastboot at first, which didn't work. Anyone know the difference between these?
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mfastboot doesn't have the file size limitations that fastboot has. Where did you get your copy of mfastboot from? It is a Motorola utility so it will work fine if you get it from Motorola when you request the factory images.
I've been trying to figure out on the forums which device has which path to get root and wow it doesn't make sense to me. I'm no noobie but I don't get all the updates and processes.
I just want root so i can use Xposed. i don't care about loading different roms or kernels.
I bought it from swappa. It has android version 4.4, system 140.44.5.ghost_att.en.US, Build 13.11.1Q2.X-69-3
this thing sucks HARD without root. there is so much you could do that you can't. It astounds me how diligently manufacturers and carriers are about preventing you from using the phone to its fullest. So i void a warranty, i don't care...
a10fjet said:
I've been trying to figure out on the forums which device has which path to get root and wow it doesn't make sense to me. I'm no noobie but I don't get all the updates and processes.
I just want root so i can use Xposed. i don't care about loading different roms or kernels.
I bought it from swappa. It has android version 4.4, system 140.44.5.ghost_att.en.US, Build 13.11.1Q2.X-69-3
this thing sucks HARD without root. there is so much you could do that you can't. It astounds me how diligently manufacturers and carriers are about preventing you from using the phone to its fullest. So i void a warranty, i don't care...
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I have an AT&T Moto X running Kit Kat 4.4 (from OTA) and I'm also not clear on whether I can root my phone. I'm also unclear about whether I can unlock my phone
I would also appreciate guidance and direction.
Many thanks!
The AT&T branded Moto X cannot be unlocked, but the GSM unlocked DE will work on AT&T and is unlockable. The TMobile Moto Maker Moto X will work on AT&T and has an unlockable bootloader, too, but if you unlock the bootloader on it, your warranty is void. So I would stick with the GSM unlocked DE. There may be some issues with 4G LTE on AT&T using the TMobile devices but I am not sure. That is probably covered in the forum somewhere if there are any issues.
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Okay, so I can root, but not unlock. I think I'll wait till an easier and simpler root method is developed like there was for my Samsung GS2.
I appreciate the guidance.
CartlandSmith said:
We are lucky to even have this method. Google is making Android more and more secure by incorporating SELinux. If a root method for 4.4.2 is ever found, it will likely be even more complicated.
4.4 Security Enhancements
Also, the dev who came up with the current root method, jcase, is not interested in finding a root method for Motorola phones running 4.4.2.
So rooting now is likely your only chance at rooting. If you take the 4.4.2 OTA unrooted, it is doubtful you will ever be able to gain root because the 4.4.2 bootloader is not downgreadable.
Since the developer edition phones are so readily available from Motorola at such a good price and since only AT&T and Verizon retail/customized phones are not unlockable, there isn't much interest in trying to find a way to root locked Motorola phones running 4.4.2. Sprint, US Cellular and TMobile retail/customized Moto X's are unlockable as are the developer edition Moto X's.
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Thanks for the thoughtful and informed reply, Cartland. My last phone was a Samsung GS2 and it was easy to root (all automated). Though I have rooted and flashed ROMs on a number of phones, this process seems complicated and readily screw-upable (not a real word, I admit). I like being rooted, so I can flash tweaked-out ROMs that are better than stock.
I'll explore rooting more and see how comfortable I am with it.
Much appreciated.
CartlandSmith said:
We are lucky to even have this method. Google is making Android more and more secure by incorporating SELinux. If a root method for 4.4.2 is ever found, it will likely be even more complicated.
4.4 Security Enhancements
Also, the dev who came up with the current root method, jcase, is not interested in finding a root method for Motorola phones running 4.4.2.
So rooting now is likely your only chance at rooting. If you take the 4.4.2 OTA unrooted, it is doubtful you will ever be able to gain root because the 4.4.2 bootloader is not downgreadable.
Since the developer edition phones are so readily available from Motorola at such a good price and since only AT&T and Verizon retail/customized phones are not unlockable, there isn't much interest in trying to find a way to root locked Motorola phones running 4.4.2. Sprint, US Cellular and TMobile retail/customized Moto X's are unlockable as are the developer edition Moto X's.
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It takes some time to do it. I did it on a relative's phone. There are unfortunately some pointers that are left out of the original posts that help everything to go smoothly if you know them. You can find them in the threads, but the threads have gotten so long it makes the process take longer when you have to read through them to find all of the pointers.
If you are only flashing using RSD Lite - RSD Lite will stop you from bricking your phone.
You are never going to get a simpler method with a locked bootloader Motorola phone - it is only going to get harder and I predict the devs won't invest much energy in it going forward because it is just not worth it when there are developer editions available to us. I think those that are doing it get a kick out of it, but when it becomes too time consuming, well, they have their day jobs they have to make sure they focus enough time on to pay their bills. They get donations for this sort of thing, but I am sure the donations don't compensate them very well for all of the time they take trying to find exploits the more secure Android becomes.
With a locked bootloader, you can't flash ROMs because you don't have a custom recovery. But what you can do it use Xposed Framework and its modules like Gravity Box if you are rooted.
I spent some time this weekend rooting a relative's Verizon Moto X with a locked bootloader due to the 4.4.2 OTA coming. You have some breathing room on AT&T right now to root, but don't wait too long or you will lose the opportunity once the OTA comes.
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I don't think I have the time or energy to go through the process of finding those pointers and then going through the root method. I'm wondering if anyone will compile those pointers (as you suggest, I have noticed with previous rooting and flashing methods, some key steps aren't described which can cause major problems).
A clarification. You say that if I just want to flash ROMs, I can use RSD Lite. But then you say that with a locked bootloader, you can't flash ROMs.
I do appreciate your taking the time.
POINTER - sell or trade your phone for a Dev edition
It is difficult to root if you can't unlock your bootloader. There is a thread in this forum telling you how to root your device with both locked and unlocked bootloader.
Rooting this device isn't difficult. If you can read and type verbatim, letter for letter, you can get root. People need to stop psyching themselves and others out.
CartlandSmith said:
Yes you can get root, but it takes a bit of work
First you have to downgrade to 4.2.2 by flashing the sbf firmware for your device.
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can you specify what sbf is? searching didn't help. Try not to use so many acronyms for us dummies.
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Then use RockMyMoto to get root on 4.2.2. Then use MotoWPNoMo to disable write protection.
Then reflash 4.2.2 and use SlapMyMoto.
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do i use ODIN? what do i use to flash?
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You will be rooted on 4.4 and write protection will be disabled when you are done with all of that.
Once you have root, be sure and freeze MotorolaOTA to stop the 4.4.2 OTA. If you take the 4.4.2 OTA, you may keep root, but write protection will be enabled.
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Does motorolaOTA automatically download the latest updates and install them without warning you?
thanks for giving me hope!
EDIT: does anyone know if http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/orig-development/script-root-moto-x-root-script-locked-t2603051 will work?
I'm getting close to knowing what to do!
But the individual steps are not very well written.
For example on the RockMyMoto page, he just starts giving you commands. He doesn't tell you what to type them into. In the video, everything is already open. I tried the command in cydia impactor and it didn't do anything. I though maybe you do it in adb, I don't really know what that is but I found adb.exe and launched it but the command window it opens goes through a bunch of commands and then closes. I can't even get past step one because he never said how he got to the point where he starts!
CartlandSmith said, in the third post, that i am supposed to reflash 4.2.2 at the end.. Did he mean 4.4? Or 4.2.2 then slapmymoto then take 4.4 over the air?
It would be really helpful (to me at least) if someone could put step by step instructions. Like humiliatingly degradingly redundant instructions for a complete idiot. I will put them up if I ever figure it all out. It's so frustrating when the instructions are so detailed from where they start, but they never show you how they got to where they are.
Thanks to everyone for the help.
EDIT: probably stupid question but does the phone ever need to be connected by USB? none of the posts mention it but all other devices i've used needed it. adb (here is a tutorial)/ isn't recognizing my device with USB connection or not. Both connected to same router, all drivers and everything updated, Debugging enabled...
No offense intended...at all....but if you value your phone, you really need to study up and read LOTS of stuff here. Until you understand what you are about to do, don't do anything.
Just trying to save you from a bricked phone. You seem very unsure of everything at this point. No one can post anything here that isn't already covered in the guides. Look at the stickies, complete Moto x guide is there.
Good luck.
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Hmm i rebooted my computer and factory reset my X and now everything is connecting. Guess you should always try the IT Crowd's advice before doing anything else lol
I agree that everything is covered on this site, it's just not organized.
It seems unorganized when you don't understand. Read enough of it and it all makes sense eventually. This has everything about bootloaders, rooting...etc. BUT, you need to know what applies to your situation. And again...that comes when you understand the stuff.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2603358
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It's even more clear how unorganized the info here is the more educated you become.
The thing that becomes the most clear eventually is how much misinformation is posted.
Sorry but the "it only appears disorganized and unreadable and full of misinformation" because you don't understand it won't fly with those of us who do understand it.
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The OP of the thread I linked is well organized. Its about the only one that is. Its also stickied, so should be incredibly easy to find.
As far as misinformation goes, that's due to people being quick to post advice when they clearly don't have a handle on this stuff themselves.
How to avoid the clutter and misinformation? Maybe point people to good threads that already exist instead of filling new ones with more misinformation. No? Or God forbid, suggest they search for the information that already exists? Instead of helping to grow yet another repeated thread with both good and poor information within it.
Xda's number one rule was created for a reason. To keep clutter and thread after thread of similar content to a minimum. A lot of inaccurate information gets repeated over and over as well. But, so many refuse to search cause its too much work, and just as many others condone this behavior by answering.
I know most don't agree with what I'm saying, as the forums prove with the repeated information here in truck loads. And I also know when any of us remind people of rule number one here on xda....we're called trolls, flamers and much worse....even when the reminder was posted respectfully.
So who exactly are the flamers? LOL
Its looking like reminding members to search and read and actually help them help themselves is becoming a dangerous practice. I'm tired of the misinformation and cluttered forums....and if reminding is just going to start drama at every turn, I suppose reporting the offenders is the easier option. Tho not my first choice.
But if you read this carefully, you'll see I'm completely agreeing with you. LOL. So lets agree to agree and leave it at that.
And as a member who's been around a while, I won't stop doing my part to try to cut down the misinformation and lack of respect for the xda rules. Not abiding by rule number one is EXACTLY why the mess of confusing information exists. You see that, right?
If the newer members want to make me the bad guy for this, fine. I'll be the bad guy.
And I help more people here than most as well.....but that's forgotten if you disagree with anyone or remind anyone of the rules here. Fine. Again.....call me the bad guy. Better get used to it too, I'm not going anywhere.
I'd apologize for the off topic, but this thread should have been closed anyway.
Have a good one!
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The most confusing thing of all is why someone with a Nexus 5 self-appoints themselves to be the "hall monitor" of the Moto X forums. *shrugs*
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Um, perhaps I own both.
How bout you drop it and stop commenting on multiple posts of mine since you appear to dislike the things I say. K?
Try the ignore member feature.
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Please search before posting
Check the sticky guides before asking questions about rooting
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Please search before posting
Check the sticky guides before asking questions about rooting
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Ninja'd .....:good:
So not trying to be rude here, but where are the custom roms? I had the original Moto X and it had a few nice custom roms. I` am rooted with a unlocked bootloader but so far have stayed on stock. Is this going to be a bust as far as custom roms for this device......any thoughts would be appreciated!!
Another one of these threads? If you are so big on flashing ROMs, why didn't you research before you bought the X?
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Yes it's a bust if you like to flash roms this is not the device to have I personally buy Motos for the stock experience and battery life if I'm looking to flash Nexus or any # of devices for that moving away from Nexus too big too pricey currently
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Yes it's a bust if you like to flash roms this is not the device to have I personally buy Motos for the stock experience and battery life if I'm looking to flash Nexus or any # of devices for that moving away from Nexus too big too pricey currently
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I agree that stock on here is pretty good, on my Moto x 2013 I used a stock rom that was optimized and it was excellent. I think the sales must be poor of this unit and it is one reason that we do not have custom roms. For flashing I will use my M8...
Another one of these threads? If you are so big on flashing ROMs, why didn't you research before you bought the X?
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I said I did not mean to be rude...and what do you do, start off with a rude comment...shesh... the thread is in the Q&A section....maybe I want to know what other people think...but obviously not you.
Could be my thinking is that Motorola was locked in with Verizon so long that the development was limited more Gsm phones should help them in the future I bought a droid Razr Hd from Canada Rogers and it worked great would love to get a Turbo gsm HTC has good development and great Devs I owned several of these devices just prefer stock android over sense,touchwiz etc I don't like paying that much for my devices though -- good luck Have a great day
More to the point, there are already several other threads worded exactly like yours already here. The answer, or discussion, you seek already exist on this forum.
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caanda45 said:
I agree that stock on here is pretty good, on my Moto x 2013 I used a stock rom that was optimized and it was excellent. I think the sales must be poor of this unit and it is one reason that we do not have custom roms. For flashing I will use my M8...
I said I did not mean to be rude...and what do you do, start off with a rude comment...shesh... the thread is in the Q&A section....maybe I want to know what other people think...but obviously not you.
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My comment really wasn't that rude. There are multiple existing threads on this topic that you could have posted in instead of starting a new one. Threads that are worded near identical to yours, so there is no doubt that had you even made the slightest attempt to search first, you would have found at least one of them. And just like all the other people complaining about no custom ROMs, you should have researched before making your purchase. XDA isn't a venue for you to complain about something that you should have known before you bought the phone, it's here so people can find help with modding their phones. You've been a member since 2010, you should know better. I guarantee this thread will be closed.
Look, found this on page 2. You literally didn't even try to search first- http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/help/lack-custom-roms-mods-t2975516
caanda45 said:
So not trying to be rude here, but where are the custom roms? I had the original Moto X and it had a few nice custom roms. I` am rooted with a unlocked bootloader but so far have stayed on stock. Is this going to be a bust as far as custom roms for this device......any thoughts would be appreciated!!
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my friend I agree,and I have the same think,about the custom roms,kernel,i wish to be soon,the phone need roms,kernels,every phone need, I will wait a bit,maby a month,and then I will sale it.
_MetalHead_ said:
My comment really wasn't that rude. There are multiple existing threads on this topic that you could have posted in instead of starting a new one. Threads that are worded near identical to yours, so there is no doubt that had you even made the slightest attempt to search first, you would have found at least one of them. And just like all the other people complaining about no custom ROMs, you should have researched before making your purchase. XDA isn't a venue for you to complain about something that you should have known before you bought the phone, it's here so people can find help with modding their phones. You've been a member since 2010, you should know better. I guarantee this thread will be closed.
Look, found this on page 2. You literally didn't even try to search first- http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/help/lack-custom-roms-mods-t2975516
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The debate should be why..that is what I am asking, I think it is the lack of sales, simple as that. Maybe I should have changed the tittle to make you feel better. I bought it cause it is a good phone, a optimized rom would be nice. Why are your panties and others in such a knot about this. At least it could be good reading cause nothing else is happening here about this device!! Harsh but true...close it, I could care less.
Great phone but very small sales = almost no developer community....but thanks to those that have given us root and a custom recovery it might be needed in the future...I hope!!!!
As stated above, there is already a thread on this topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/help/lack-custom-roms-mods-t2975516
Please search before posting.
Thread closed.
I think this is bs. No roms,no nothing for this damn phone still. Its been months and no progress. I am not a developer and yes i complaining. Nobody can say that the bootloader is locked down or its because of kitkat... look at the g2 the g3 its insane with how much roms there is. I dont believe anything or anyone saying the bootloader is locked....A BUNCH OF BS!!!. I am going to look into developing for this phone because we are at a standstill for far too long. Gonna install linux on my computer when i have free time and atart putting in work.
podagee said:
I think this is bs. No roms,no nothing for this damn phone still. Its been months and no progress. I am not a developer and yes i complaining. Nobody can say that the bootloader is locked down or its because of kitkat... look at the g2 the g3 its insane with how much roms there is. I dont believe anything or anyone saying the bootloader is locked....A BUNCH OF BS!!!. I am going to look into developing for this phone because we are at a standstill for far too long. Gonna install linux on my computer when i have free time and atart putting in work.
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Feel exactly the same.
This phone is like a king among phones, but a king who is in exile
Even with stock this phone is simply outstanding and I'm sure LG will update it to lollipop
But it needs lots of developer love for sure
I'm also learning how to develop, just for the love of this device
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Not by any means a developer, but I'm pretty tech savvy and know a few languages, so if i can help in any way let me know. I want to get this ball rolling!
We are gonna need some help from mattwheat also. Busy this weekend but will check out some things soon....
Guys the bootloader is definitely locked down tighter than sh#!. But there is a work around. I.e. "BUMP"
With the Flex 2 now out I figured all hope WS gone for this device. If I knew more or had the time to learn like I used to have we would be rockin some AOKP, RESERECTION, OR some CM-12 based ROM.
I used to be on night shift for years and had all the time in the world after work (hence my 3am and 4am post). But I've left that company to start a new job that is now day shift. Which allows me more time with my son. But cuts into the amount of time I used to have. But I wouldn't change it for the world. But I will help anytime I can. But I think by summer I may move to either the Nexus 6 or the Flex 2 <--- only if the boot loader is unlockable like the LG G3 is.
It is a shame about the boot loader. Gave the flex to my daughter and moved on to the
Nexus 6 and have no regrets.
Great news cm12 incoming.check out lg-devs at github
Got 4.4.2 ZVB Rooted w/ TWRP 2.8.0.0 w/bump so if you need a tester i'll be scoping the forums, if you need a tester!
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http://opensource.lge.com/osList/list?m=Mc001&s=Sc002
The 995 is on this list......
sickkside13 said:
Great news cm12 incoming.check out lg-devs at github
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Can't find anything on it... Provide link please?
XDAkilla757 said:
Can't find anything on it... Provide link please?
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https://github.com/lg-devs?tab=repositories
It's about as old as this thread. This phone needs a developer willing to spend some time. Start a CM bounty thread and see where that goes
Supertacomonkeyexplosion said:
https://github.com/lg-devs?tab=repositories
It's about as old as this thread. This phone needs a developer willing to spend some time. Start a CM bounty thread and see where that goes
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Since it is rootable and a custom recovery can be installed. It should be a near walk in the park for the devs.