And here's why I think this.
Currently, AT&T sells the 2nd generation Moto X (the non Pure Edition phone) for $99 on contract. But, on their store web page it markets itself very interestingly/devilishly:
Key features include:
5.2” HD display
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 801 quad-core processor
13MP camera with 4K capture
Pure Android™ experience
Moto voice control
Did you catch that? Yes, folks, this is what they are going to do with the Nexus 6 as well. If they can just throw around the label "Pure Android Experience", that means they think we are stupid and they will go ahead and put the pre-loaded bloatware, locked bootloader, carrier start up splash screen, etc.
They will most likely have a Nexus 6 Pure Edition that sells only on the Google Play store for $624529789498249824
The title of "Nexus" no longer means anything.
Not to say it's impossible, but I don't think that the use of the phrase "Pure Android Experience" means anything significant. It's just something that Moto uses to sell the Moto E/G/X with a minimal skin.
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Not to say it's impossible, but I don't think that the use of the phrase "Pure Android Experience" means anything significant. It's just something that Moto uses to sell the Moto E/G/X with a minimal skin.
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gtalum said:
Not to say it's impossible, but I don't think that the use of the phrase "Pure Android Experience" means anything significant. It's just something that Moto uses to sell the Moto E/G/X with a minimal skin.
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They are trying to capitalize on the appeal of the vanilla android experience of the Nexus brand as well as the ignorance of those who have never owned a Nexus phone before. Some call this "false advertising".
Technically it does have a pure Android experience since Google forced Moto to use a more pure experience. That said since this is a carrier oriented device the carriers can do whatever they want with it.
Nexus devices have and always had been free from Carrier BS. The only exception was the Verizon Galaxy Nexus when Verizon wanted to control the device updates not Google. Considering the release for this is wide it means that they have to comply with Google's wishes if they want to carry the devices and sell them.
That said however since the Droid Turbo is also coming out as well as a GSM variant for AT&T it would be no surprise if AT&T and Verizon will be pushing for sales on these devices and not the Nexus 6 since they have more control over these devices and can cut off support at any time creating planned obsolescence. One of the main things the Nexus is free from.
The Nexus will be sold from all carriers free of BS if they comply to Google's contract on the matter. That said they will not be forced to upsell them. They will be more likely to upsell any other device out there aside from the Nexus just so they can still have control. If Verizon or AT&T try to add anything to the Nexus devices that tarnish its design then Google has all the power to cut the contract and remove sale of the devices through AT&T and Verizon.
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Technically it does have a pure Android experience since Google forced Moto to use a more pure experience. That said since this is a carrier oriented device the carriers can do whatever they want with it.
Nexus devices have and always had been free from Carrier BS. The only exception was the Verizon Galaxy Nexus when Verizon wanted to control the device updates not Google. Considering the release for this is wide it means that they have to comply with Google's wishes if they want to carry the devices and sell them.
That said however since the Droid Turbo is also coming out as well as a GSM variant for AT&T it would be no surprise if AT&T and Verizon will be pushing for sales on these devices and not the Nexus 6 since they have more control over these devices and can cut off support at any time creating planned obsolescence. One of the main things the Nexus is free from.
The Nexus will be sold from all carriers free of BS if they comply to Google's contract on the matter. That said they will not be forced to upsell them. They will be more likely to upsell any other device out there aside from the Nexus just so they can still have control. If Verizon or AT&T try to add anything to the Nexus devices that tarnish its design then Google has all the power to cut the contract and remove sale of the devices through AT&T and Verizon.
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I seriously hope you are right, but I just can't see AT&T giving up that kind of control. I can imagine, however, that this will go down just like the Moto X where there will be the Google Play/Pure Edition version of the phone and also the carrier version of the phone. Shame on AT&T trying to pawn off their bloatware-infested Moto X as "Pure Android experience".
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I seriously hope you are right, but I just can't see AT&T giving up that kind of control. I can imagine, however, that this will go down just like the Moto X where there will be the Google Play/Pure Edition version of the phone and also the carrier version of the phone. Shame on AT&T trying to pawn off their bloatware-infested Moto X as "Pure Android experience".
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Again, "Pure Android Experience" Applies to OS level, not so much the apps.
For example, The past few MOTO DROID devices were Pure Android OS, but still had bloat. Same for Moto X devices too. Pure Android Experience is a selling point to those who want to have a less lag ridden experience carriers still have control on what goes onto the OS with apps.
A fine example of this is T-Mobile HTC G2, the upgrade from the original consumer android phone the G1, had a locked bootloader and T-Mobile apps loaded onbard. The overall experience offered a Pure Android Experience, but still was carrier controlled with app bloat and a locked down OS. It was not a comparable Nexus Pure experience.
To contrast to the Nexus 4 and 5 on T-Mobile, bootloaders were easily unlockable and there was no bloat. They were no different from the Google Play sold Nexus devices. In the press release for the N6 it was said that the device will be sold on all major carriers (if they meet compliance with Google's intent with the devices). That means if they fail meeting the compliance of Google's intent with selling the N6 through them, they cannot sell the device through the retailer.
In a sense, it seems Google is treating their Nexus series like Apple treats their iPhones, which in reality is a very good thing since Apple has an iron grip over iPhone's control over carrier BS. I am looking forward to this change if this is the case, we all should.
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Again, "Pure Android Experience" Applies to OS level, not so much the apps.
For example, The past few MOTO DROID devices were Pure Android OS, but still had bloat. Same for Moto X devices too. Pure Android Experience is a selling point to those who want to have a less lag ridden experience carriers still have control on what goes onto the OS with apps.
A fine example of this is T-Mobile HTC G2, the upgrade from the original consumer android phone the G1, had a locked bootloader and T-Mobile apps loaded onbard. The overall experience offered a Pure Android Experience, but still was carrier controlled with app bloat and a locked down OS. It was not a comparable Nexus Pure experience.
To contrast to the Nexus 4 and 5 on T-Mobile, bootloaders were easily unlockable and there was no bloat. They were no different from the Google Play sold Nexus devices. In the press release for the N6 it was said that the device will be sold on all major carriers (if they meet compliance with Google's intent with the devices). That means if they fail meeting the compliance of Google's intent with selling the N6 through them, they cannot sell the device through the retailer.
In a sense, it seems Google is treating their Nexus series like Apple treats their iPhones, which in reality is a very good thing since Apple has an iron grip over iPhone's control over carrier BS. I am looking forward to this change if this is the case, we all should.
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Doesn't Google own the Android OS?? The way I see it, Google has full rights to claim their devices are 100% "Pure Android". Anyone else... not so much.
But as for iPhones, the carriers locked all their phones... doesn't the very purpose of the Nexus phone get thrown under the bus if carriers were to lock the Nexus 6?
phalanx_x said:
And here's why I think this.
Currently, AT&T sells the 2nd generation Moto X on contract (the non Pure Edition phone) for $99 on contract. But, on their store web page it markets itself very interestingly/devilishly:
Key features include:
5.2” HD display
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 801 quad-core processor
13MP camera with 4K capture
Pure Android™ experience
Moto voice control
Did you catch that? Yes, folks, this is what they are going to do with the Nexus 6 as well. If they can just throw around the label "Pure Android Experience", that means they think we are stupid and they will go ahead and put the pre-loaded bloatware, locked bootloader, carrier start up splash screen, etc.
They will most likely have a Nexus 6 Pure Edition that sells only on the Google Play store for $624529789498249824
The title of "Nexus" no longer means anything.
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Doesn't Google own the Android OS?? The way I see it, Google has full rights to claim their devices are 100% "Pure Android". Anyone else... not so much.
But as for iPhones, the carriers locked all their phones... doesn't the very purpose of the Nexus phone get thrown under the bus if carriers were to lock the Nexus 6?
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Android is built using the Linux kernel and is open source ....that's the only reason that oems have to post up the source code etc ... but they don't have to unlock bootloaders etc and the drivers and other parts of the os like sense can be closed source ...
nexus6R3plicant said:
Android is built using the Linux kernel and is open source ....that's the only reason that oems have to post up the source code etc ... but they don't have to unlock bootloaders etc and the drivers and other parts of the os like sense can be closed source ...
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Oh.. ok... what would happen to me, as a independent Android OS developer, if I came up with something and then called it "Android Lollipop 5.0.1" ?
phalanx_x said:
Oh.. ok... what would happen to me, as a independent Android OS developer, if I came up with something and then called it "Android Lollipop 5.0.1" ?
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Nothing as long as you follow gpl .... you see how many versions of Linux are out there.... like cyanogen mod they only got a cease and desist from Google back in the begins for putting gapps in their roms ...which is why you have to flash the rom and then gapps when flashing aosp roms ....it's only the google apps that are closed source
But you could get a letter from their lawyer if they have copy write any of the Lollipop name etc
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Nothing as long as you follow gpl .... you see how many versions of Linux are out there.... like cyanogen mod they only got a cease and desist from Google back in the begins for putting gapps in their roms ...which is why you have to flash the rom and then gapps when flashing aosp roms ....it's only the google apps that are closed source
But you could get a letter from their lawyer if they have copy write any of the Lollipop name etc
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So... Google owns the Lollipop 5.0 Android.. got it. So, why are carriers saying their version of Kitkat/Lollipop is "Pure"?? How can they get away with that?
phalanx_x said:
So... Google owns the Lollipop 5.0 Android.. got it. So, why are carriers saying their version of Kitkat/Lollipop is "Pure"?? How can they get away with that?
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Motorola is the only one saying pure .... but is the closest to true aosp . Motorola puts very little on top of android and makes many optimizations to make it run better etc
Sony is kind of close also ... htc has sense , samsung is touchwiz , lg has their own ... its just a user interface on top of android and its the reason samsung devices always lag .
Pretty sure all the n6 devices will have the same hardware and have an unlockable BL, also since the hardware is all the same the code names should be the same, and as such the factory images from google should be flashable. Now if ATT goes the Verizon way and handles the n6 like the Gnex, than thats gonna be an issue.
The hardware is the same. So, even if the carriers bloat them up, you can simply flash the OEM images that Google releases. Now, if the carriers are allowed to lock the bootloaders, that may be a problem. I'm hoping that Google at least keeps that from happening., or someone like Geohot finds a way to break it. We won't know for sure though until the carrier versions are available and someone tries to unlock one of each.
Moto is basically AOSP so calling it pure isn't a longshot
According to an Ars Technica interview, all Nexus 6 devices (even the Google Play version) will automatically install carrier bloatware during setup. The phone will detect which SIM card you're using, and download the apps that carrier wants on the phone. It's called "Play Auto Install."
At first this sounded appalling, but I realized it's actually a good thing. Thanks to this feature, carriers will no longer install apps in the System partition. You can uninstall their apps just like apps from the Play Store.
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According to an Ars Technica interview, all Nexus 6 devices (even the Google Play version) will automatically install carrier bloatware during setup. The phone will detect which SIM card you're using, and download the apps that carrier wants on the phone. It's called "Play Auto Install."
At first this sounded appalling, but I realized it's actually a good thing. Thanks to this feature, carriers will no longer install apps in the System partition. You can uninstall their apps just like apps from the Play Store.
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If this is true, all you have to do it start the setup with a sim then insert it after setup.
NOTashwin said:
According to an Ars Technica interview, all Nexus 6 devices (even the Google Play version) will automatically install carrier bloatware during setup. The phone will detect which SIM card you're using, and download the apps that carrier wants on the phone. It's called "Play Auto Install."
At first this sounded appalling, but I realized it's actually a good thing. Thanks to this feature, carriers will no longer install apps in the System partition. You can uninstall their apps just like apps from the Play Store.
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This is perfect. Fastboot, FTW!
Here's the except from Ars:
Ars: How much control do carriers have over the Nexus devices? People think back to the Verizon Galaxy Nexus, and it got slower updates.
Burke: I don't think we're going to do that. There is carrier testing that has to happen, you can't get away from that, but we're trying to have our updates be frequent. I think the carriers are learning and realizing that's a feature they want. I think these are getting more efficient, and we're getting better at it. Play Auto Installs are also really important.
Ars: Play Auto Installs? What?
Burke: So the idea is as part of setup, Verizon might have some apps that you want like an app that tells you how much you used that month in terms of charges. There's legitimate use cases where you want apps, but you also want those apps to be treated like any other app. What happens now is when you've got a Verizon SIM in the device, it actually installs Verizon apps as part of the setup flow, and then you can remove them if you want as part of the Play Infrastructure. And Verizon can update it.
Cohen: They're not on the system partition.
Ars: Oh ok, so you can remove them?
Cohen: Yes.
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If you could avoid installing bloatware by inserting the SIM card after setup is over, that would be great — but I don't think Verizon would let that fly. Verizon would probably want their apps to be installed anytime their SIM card is used. It's not 100% clear what will happen until someone tries it.
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So I have been giving a lot of thought to this subject ever since reading a few articles a couple of weeks back about the CEO of Google Eric Schmidt saying that they have no plans on making a "Nexus Two." Not only this, but Google stating that they will no longer sell the Nexus One direct and unlocked from the www.google.com/phone store. My question is, does this threaten the Android platform in the future. I personally think it won't because Android will continue to live on, but the open Android that we have come to know and love today will be jeopardized. This is why I decided to start this thread to see how others feel about this subject and ask some important questions about the fate of Android.
To start off we really have to see what Google's Nexus One brought to the world of Android to be able to see what we will be missing if there is no "Google phone" in the future. On January 5, 2010 Google threw a press conference where it called it's new baby the Nexus One a "superphone" and ever since then the i has been in the news having every flaw dissected and blown out of proportion by tech blogs all around the web. Yes, the Nexus One had some big flaws like the multitouch screen, early T-Mobile 3G problems, No multitouch pinch to zoom (now changed), and even the pentile arrangement of pixels on the AMOLED screen, but it also was the first in the smartphone world (unless you count the HD2, but we are talking about Android not WM in this discussion) to have a lot of huge features that now started this Android revolution. It had a powerful Snapdragon 1 Ghz processor (up to this point the biggest we had was the Droid with an Arm Cortex A8 550 mhz processor), 3.7 inch AMOLED screen (WVGA 800x480 pixels) , 512 mb of RAM (most had 256mb RAM), 5mp camera (with LED flash and 720x480 video capture), and one of the lightest (130 grams with battery), sleekest 119mm heidth by 59.8mm depth), and thinnest (11.5mm) phones on the market. The Droid paved the road and the Nexus One showed OEM's what the top of the line Android phone must have to compete in specs. The Nexus One launched with Eclair 2.1 and was the first to bring it to the world. A couple months after launch Google gave pinch to zoom multitouch to the Nexus One and this allowed other phones like the Droid and now most of the Android phones available to get this much desired feature. Perhaps one of the best features of the phone was that it launched with an unlocked bootloader and introduced the world to the adb command "fastboot oem unlock." I know that are beloved developers have been unlocking the full potential of phones since the Windows Mobile days, but Android has brought that even further. Since then the Nexus One has quickly become the dev phone of the Android world. If you don't like a feature simply change it or flash a different ROM. This wonderful world that the great developers in the Android community work so hard to bring to us is really the "killer feature" of the Android OS and this is being threatened by not having anymore "Google phones." Lately we are seeing companies like Motorola and Verizon using eFuse to lock down their phones and keeping people that spend their hard earned money from flashing ROM's. I am sure the whole eFuse thing has been blown out of proportion and I am sure the next Android superstar (or one of the many we already have here on XDA) will unlock the Droid X to it's full potential, but the mere fact that these companies are locking down phones using the FREE Android OS is very disheartening. We don't want the same cat and mouse game that Apple and their iPhone customers have to play to unlock and use their phones and this is one of the many reasons people flock to the open Android OS.
Not only do we risk "locking down" the platform, but by not having any further Nexus phones we will more than likely never see another Vanilla Android phone. Instead we are seeing what the OEMs and wireless providers want us to see and this is evident in the losing of WiFi tethering in the latest build of Android 2.2, or known as Froyo. If a wireless provider doesn't want a feature (like tethering) the OEM's are then pressured into leaving it out to make them happy. This is not a good thing in my opinion as it again puts the power and fate of Android in the wireless providers like Verizon and AT&T where we are quickly losing the openness of Android and the ability to even side load applications. This is exactly why we need a phone like the Nexus One. A phone that will push the boundaries of innovation and keep the wireless companies honest by simple competition. They won't leave an important feature out if the Google phone already has a version of it out and available unlocked. Without Google making a phone we are left with whatever skin the OEMs have minus the features the wireless companies don't want included. If the Nexus One would not of been released we would be stuck with minimal upgrades and even worse what would make the OEMs and providers hurry with the newest release (Froyo in this case and soon to be Gingerbread)? If Google wouldn't of pushed Android 2.2 to the Nexus One then would all the companies like HTC, Samsung, and Motorola even be racing to get Froyo out? In my opinion the Nexus One is the only reason that these companies are trying to get 2.2 out in a timely basis. I mean I may be wrong as I am not a developer, but what would really make the OEMs and providers want to hurry with their releases if they didn't have the competition? I think it would be the opposite and these companies would make us buy their newest and top of the line Android phone just to get the newest and best Android release. This has been proven in the past and if it wasn't for the iPhone and Google's Android the smartphone world would be a very different place filled with Bada OSs, Windows Mobile phones, no app stores, and worse of all mediocre upgrades. This is the real reason we need Google to release a phone so they can take the fate of Android (and the power, in my opinion) away from greedy wireless companies and OEM's that only look to sell us a phone multiple times a year.
I have really given a lot of thought to this because ever since I purchased my Nexus One back in March (without AT&Ts permission, I should add) I had planned on buying a "Google phone" every year. I was aware that Google would work closely with different OEMs and we would get a great dev phone every year with the latest and greatest Vanilla Android, free from the clutches of wireless contracts, and most of all "OPEN." This was a great idea and I can see why Google's idea of selling a phone didn't catch on here in the states, but they accomplished a lot more than selling millions of devices like Apple does. They accomplished (along with the Droid, which I might add Google had a big hand in creating and bringing to life, and also was free of a locked bootloader) bringing Android to the masses and making the statement to companies that a top of the line Android phone needs to have these specs to compete in the Android world.
I just went out and bought me a Samsung Captivate and to be honest the first thing I thought I would get rid of was TouchWiz, but it has kind of grown on me. I think HTC Sense is nice as well, but I will always be a Vanilla Android fan and there is something about the Nexus One that always brings me back. This will be a phone that I will not ever get rid of and is still the best phone I have ever owned. I am sure many others feel the same way and the Nexus One will continue to be a niche kind of product, but I think I have made the argument that Google needs a phone to further Android and keep the fate of it's Android in it's hands. This could get out of control quick and it could turn bad. We are just nearing the top and Android is here to stay and will be the OS that everyone else attempts to mimic. Come on Google I know I am not the only one that feels this way and this is why I started this thread to get the feel of others in the Android community as I am sure there are others that are worried as well. The open Android that we know and love today is in jeopardy if Google doesn't maintain a little control over their Android OS. The OEM's and wireless companies are going to ruin the openness of Android if they don't have a constant pressure keeping them honest. One of the main reasons that Android has grown so rapidly is that a company like Google has created it to be free, open, and common to many phones so we don't have to worry about dozens of companies with mediocre platforms. Weigh in and let me know how you feel and maybe just maybe we can get someones attention. Feel free to copy this on other forums as I feel we need to save the idea of an open Android. One without the boundaries of no side loading of apps, eFuses, locked bootloaders, and most of all innovation and the advancement of the Android platform.
Google's own line of phones phone has zero influence on the android os.
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Google's own line of phones phone has zero influence on the android os.
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Yes, you are right, but without a Google phone what will Android be like? We won't see another Vanilla Android phone that is for sure.
Not being able to see into the future makes this a hard statement to take as fact.
There were vanilla phones before nexus one and there will continue to be more
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If you want a true vanilla android phone grabe one of HTC's china phones, not even google apps are on it. =D
I agree with the basic premise that the Nexus One did provide leverage to potentially (and I think that is a key qualifier) keep the competition honest, but it isn't clear that it would do so without significantly more marketing. And, to market the Nexus One more could have annoyed some of the vendors that Google wants to keep happy - lots of happy vendors means lots of seats for Android means lots of seats off of which Google makes a lot of money. In particular, if every Android phone is locked, then Google still makes a mint, though they stand to make more of a mint if the platform is more widely adopted. And, an open phone does have an impact on platform adoption, but I don't think it is that critical since the public is used to buying fixed feature-set phones and upgrading for new features so this isn't an issue of taking away something that they demand as it is failing to give them something that they would come to know and love (as we already do).
But, I also want to counter some of the supporting arguments you present.
First, the current wave of smartphones was headed here one way or another. Google didn't create the wave, they simply reacted and targeted Android at the capabilities that were coming down the pike. To do that most effectively they needed a new developer phone and the Nexus One was going to be released in January one way or another as the ADP3 until they had this idea to sell direct. It was simply them needing to get out a testbed for the new Android capabilities that were targeted at the new baseline smartphone hardware and they chose to do it in an experimental new way this time. If they hadn't released the Nexus One direct to consumers then you would have seen the same phones come out and you would have seen the same OS releases, you just wouldn't have had a large installed base of end users previewing it on a non-developer handset.
Second, I think the main factor spurring the vendors to get 2.2 out quickly is that it offers so much, not that they have to keep up with the Nexus One. It is, in my opinion, the biggest release so far (and I've been with Android since 1.0) primarily because of the JIT. Also, all the manufacturers came out with what would become the new standard amount of RAM (512MB) and the existing release available for them to ship on did not support it, so they need to get on 2.2 in order to simply unlock the hardware they originally designed. In some sense, these phones were really designed for 2.2 - 2.1 was simply a stepping stone to get them shipped on their hardware schedule until 2.2 was ready on its software schedule. So, there are really 2 factors that would encourage them to get 2.2 out on their 2010-class phones that have nothing to do with the Nexus One being here.
As far as vanilla phones... The G1 was vanilla. The original Droid was vanilla (is it still vanilla with the latest releases?). The Nexus One was vanilla. But, where there any others? I love my vanilla phones (first G1 then N1), but I don't mind value added by the vendors, I just wish they would make it easier to customize things away and that they would learn to design their add-ons so that they can be easily dropped on to a new Android release with little fuss...
Short answer: No. It does not.
Simply put, there will always be a phone that will have Vanilla Android. If for nothing more than using that as a sale point. Especially with Andy 3.0 in the horizon which focus is on the UI. No worries.
Of course it doesn't.
Simple answer, no. There have always been vanilla Android phones, the developer phones at least, and there will always be developer phones. In fact, the Nexus is still for sale now as the latest developer phone.
Eventually there will be another vanilla Android phone that Google is behind, unless they get their own hardware built by someone and don't sell it publicly... but that wouldn't make much sense, just like it wouldn't make any sense for them to not ever have another phone.
Soon enough, the 2ghz and dual-core phones will be out, and eventually mobile devices will catch up to computers in terms of power. They're gonna have to.
I'm sure they will come out with a different dev phone in the future.
I agree with the op, up to a point. While it may be true that there'll always be a phone Google gets behind -a 'dev' phone, if you will- I think it still limits choice for people who want the vanilla experience. Is it really ok to just have one phone that's vanilla?
To the op: "If the Nexus One would not of been released...."
I think you mean "had not been released..."
and: "If Google wouldn't of pushed Android 2.2 to the Nexus One then...."
It's "If Google hadn't pushed Android..."
Sorry for the pedantry. Bad grammar just spoilt a good, well-thought out post.
Consumer are what they are a android is one of the greatest os I have experience.all those problems was soft ware issue and minor only something a child would complain about.i have a nexus almost went with a nokia n900 glad I didn't .proud of google.
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The SGT is the first and last Samsung (and perhaps Android) device I will ever buy due to the complete lack of official updates available for it. I am not interesting in flashing hacked roms, I just expect Samsung to provide a timely release of new android versions very soon after google makes them available.
In respect of updates, compared to iOS devices, Android devices are so far behind its untrue --> While 2 year old Apple devices such as the iPhone 3GS are updatable to the latest version of iOS, 3 month old Android devices do not get access to the latest version of android. Its frankly disgusting.
Anyone know when I can expect an update for my SGT to Android 2.3/3.0 (sim free wifi+3g version)?
I've had a pre-order on the go with Amazon for a 7" iconia tab A101, but that has been delayed until 30th June now!! Looks like I am stuck with the SGT and its outdated/buggy/slow OS for some time. I should have just bought an iPad...
Nigel
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The SGT is the first and last Samsung (and perhaps Android) device I will ever buy due to the complete lack of official updates available for it. I am not interesting in flashing hacked roms, I just expect Samsung to provide a timely release of new android versions very soon after google makes them available.
In respect of updates, compared to iOS devices, Android devices are so far behind its untrue --> While 2 year old Apple devices such as the iPhone 3GS are updatable to the latest version of iOS, 3 month old Android devices do not get access to the latest version of android. Its frankly disgusting.
Anyone know when I can expect an update for my SGT to Android 2.3/3.0 (sim free wifi+3g version)?
I've had a pre-order on the go with Amazon for a 7" iconia tab A101, but that has been delayed until 30th June now!! Looks like I am stuck with the SGT and its outdated/buggy/slow OS for some time. I should have just bought an iPad...
Nigel
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Don't blame android blame Samsung they got ya cash now kindly duck off.
I went with sony on my latest upgrade away from Samsung im in the same camp as you Samsung wont get a penny more from me.
No support at all for our device... pathetic!
oo and get ready for the backlash from the Samsung fan brigade who oddly think this is ok?!? but inside I know they are as pi$$ed as us. Ive renamed them $am$sung myself
veletron said:
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The SGT is the first and last Samsung (and perhaps Android) device I will ever buy due to the complete lack of official updates available for it. I am not interesting in flashing hacked roms, I just expect Samsung to provide a timely release of new android versions very soon after google makes them available.
In respect of updates, compared to iOS devices, Android devices are so far behind its untrue --> While 2 year old Apple devices such as the iPhone 3GS are updatable to the latest version of iOS, 3 month old Android devices do not get access to the latest version of android. Its frankly disgusting.
Anyone know when I can expect an update for my SGT to Android 2.3/3.0 (sim free wifi+3g version)?
I've had a pre-order on the go with Amazon for a 7" iconia tab A101, but that has been delayed until 30th June now!! Looks like I am stuck with the SGT and its outdated/buggy/slow OS for some time. I should have just bought an iPad...
Nigel
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I dont even know where to begin with this so im not eve going to bother.
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I dont even know where to begin with this so im not eve going to bother.
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+1 I know how you feel.
If only people knew how to use google before typing nonsense.Just to put the first two comments into perspective...........
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So only around 4% of handsets have gingerbread. Hmm......I would probably consider the Tab to be up to date then? Since that 4% will be mostly consisting of Brand New handsets. Like the galaxy S2,etc. I do actually have an S2, my second samsung device of all time. Is gingerbread much different to froyo? nope. can barely tell tbh. Not like the leap from 2.1 to 2.2. Though if you asked if the dual core made a difference, I would have to say yes.
Come on people.
Though I'm also cross my 1981 ford cortina hasnt been updated to a ford mondeo
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Though I'm also cross my 1981 ford cortina hasnt been updated to a ford mondeo
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Exactly.
trying to compare a iphone/ios to a Android OS and licensed devices is completley retarded and shows how ignorant the OP is.
iOS is designed to run on 4 devices from a specific manufacturer, whereas Android is licensed to be developed for MANY different manufacturers and MANY MANY MANY devices.
If the OP cant handle a real OS ad real device he should get a lobotomy and get a iphone.
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Exactly.
trying to compare a iphone/ios to a Android OS and licensed devices is completley retarded and shows how ignorant the OP is.
iOS is designed to run on 4 devices from a specific manufacturer, whereas Android is licensed to be developed for MANY different manufacturers and MANY MANY MANY devices.
If the OP cant handle a real OS ad real device he should get a lobotomy and get a iphone.
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The sad thing is, they have over 600 posts between them
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meh! apple, go get an apple then.
as far as the sony comment i am not going to touch it. again if you like sony then go get it
samsung have a history read up befor you go buy thier product and complain.
android is all about openness, development and moving forwards. if you dont like it now then wait a few months and try again.
Android Updates
Lol
I knew this would result in a load of negativity from the Androiders out there. The simple fact is that your average end-user simply does not care that its harder for a manufacturer using a licensed OS to provide updates than it is for Apple to update iOS for its own devices. Its frankly not the end-users problem.
Anyone who has been using iOS devices for any time, will be very surprised if they switch to android (due to all the hype surrounding it), when they find out that updates beyond what the phone is delivered with rarely happen. I would predict that those jumping ship from iOS and heading to Android will be right back to iOS once their contracts expire with a very sour taste lingering!
The fact that Apple devices are upgradable to the latest OS version for around 2 years after first manufacture makes them a compelling purchase (despite the higher initial cost) You are not going to be lumbered with a useless, outdated brick half way through your 2-year contract.
Apple has set the bar very high, its up to google, samsung, HTC to match Apple's performance in this regard *however hard it might be*.
As someone who owns both Android and iOS devices, I am able to compare and contrast. Both have their good points, but the lack of updates for Android devices is a massive negative for them. The other negative being the quality of the apps on Android which is way,way behind those on iOS. Unless you *own* and *use* both iOS and Android devices on a daily basis, you are simply not qualified to have an opinion on this!
I'm no 'Ignorant OP' as someone commented. I've probably been on XDA way before many other folks, and have had 6 WinMo devices prior to heading in the direction of apple. I'm a programmer by trade working with mobile devices (hardware close assy/C/C++, none of this C#/Java nonsense). I simply don't have the time to 'tinker' and flash 'custom' roms anymore. In short, if the geeks on XDA can produce a semi-working 2.3rom for the SGT with none of the information that Samsung themselves have - SO CAN SAMSUNG (if they can be arsed that is).
I like the form factor of the SGT (iPad is frankly too big), I like the fact that its got a microSD slot (makes it hugely useful while away together with my digicam). I got an Android device due to the flexibility the OS offers, I just don't like that I appear to be stuck with all its bugs without any chance of any official updates from Samsung. I wish google would have taken the device manufacturer out of the loop (as Microsoft has done with windows), and push updates directly to the device.
As for this comment:
'iOS is designed to run on 4 devices from a specific manufacturer, whereas Android is licensed to be developed for MANY different manufacturers and MANY MANY MANY devices.'
Sounds like windows on the desktop eh? I've had countless updates from MS for my Windows PC's and laptops despite the fact that this is a single OS present on MANY MANY MANY devices.
It will be interesting to see how MS deals with the issue of updates for WP7 devices. Thus far, they have mucked it right up...
Nigel
veletron said:
As for this comment:
'iOS is designed to run on 4 devices from a specific manufacturer, whereas Android is licensed to be developed for MANY different manufacturers and MANY MANY MANY devices.'
Sounds like windows on the desktop eh? I've had countless updates from MS for my Windows PC's and laptops despite the fact that this is a single OS present on MANY MANY MANY devices.
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No, it doesn't sound like windows. I've never seen any other distributions of Windows...guessing cause its not open source. And Windows operating systems only worked on x86 and amd machines. Only reason Windows runs on my macbook is because its got an intel processor in it.
Google made a distribution of the linux operating system, made it open source, and designed a complex phone API behind it. Microsoft doesn't do that nor does Apple. Like Microsoft, Apple restricts what an end user, carrier, or developer can do with its operating system. Android OS is open source.
I work with multiple devices almost on a daily basis. My colleague has the exact tablet you have and he loves it. His only real complaint other than the few "if it had this..." is he wishes it was maybe a tad bit smaller. He's just your average user: checks emails, facebook, twitter, corporate emails, google voice, web browsing... and he has not one regret from switching from the iOS environment. Downloads tons of apps, homescreen's covered with widgets, etc etc.
AT&T was the reason why I got rid of my iphone, not Apple. Verizon gave me a Droid and I fell in love with it. I ran the stock rom on that phone for ages. I didn't even bother doing a custom rom until i got a second android phone through my personal business. Verizon kept us up to date as possible as to when it'd push the update to our phones and so did Motorola. The only update I couldn't wait to get was 2.2 so I could tether to my phone much easier. Even now that iphone is on the Verizon network, I wouldn't switch back to the iphone.
I returned my ipad because I just still couldn't justify the price for all its prettiness. I spent $280 bucks on my android tablet with the ability of reading sd cards, usb drives, and giving me the freedom to browse the device's file system, vs the $500 I spent on the ipad that didn't have a file manager and the only way to get access to the usb and sd cards was to by an extra device and hoped it worked. Also not having to have itunes installed on my computer and go through loops to connect my devices to different computers is a plus. I can buy a microsoft user license for about $300 bucks and install it on one machine. I can buy (if I don't feel like downloading for free) a linux distribution for $5-10 bucks(shipping on dvd) and install it on as many machines as I want and I can even tailor and recompile the operating system specifically for my machine. (What Samsung does for your tablet and Viewsonic does for mine.)
I don't deny that you're having a problem with your device and it should be resolved in some kind of timely matter. Samsung owes that to you as a consumer of their products...Blaming Google and the entire Android operating system stack is kind of naive when its obvious that the operating system is working as intended. Samsung's distribution apparently doesn't for you and whoever else has issues I guess.
Well, if I'm not allowed to compare to Windows, am I allowed to compare to Linux?! This is open source, runs on many many different hardware platforms (hell, most (all?) android phones are ARM based just as Linux (mostly) runs on x86/x64 hardware).
All the packages on my linux installations are updatable directly from the distro source on the fly whenever I choose to update them - this includes *core* OS packages as well as stuff that I have installed.
Quite frankly, a huge to-do is made about the fact that something is a fixed or mobile platform, trying to paint a false picture that mobile platforms are somehow so much more difficult to manage/maintain than fixed platforms THEY ARE NOT. Its just yet another excuse from the manufacturers for not spending the time/money updating a device.
The PRINCIPLE reason why Android & WinMo devices are not readily updatable to the latest and greatest version of the OS is NOT technical, but rather that the manufacturer and the operator would rather flog you a new phone than keep your existing one up-to-date. Its a testament to Apple that they manage to flog new phones to existing apple users despite the fact that there's very little in the OS that they could not get on their existing phone (which would run the same OS version anyway). Apple manages to sell new hardware because the new hardware is brilliant.
Anyway, my original post here was to ascertain whether or not 2.3 or 3.0 would be available for the SGT at some stage. I'm thinking that nobody knows which is fine. I only paid £300 for a wifi+3G SGT and they're fetching that on ebay, so I have not exactly lost out. I'll check out 3.0 on the Iconia A101 I have on pre-order. Maybe that will live up to my expectations.
Nigel
I have never understood the *****ing about updates thing.
You buy a device. When you pick it up off the shelf and take it home you are completely happy with what it is and what you can do with it. You tell all your friends how awesome your device is and recommend that everyone buy one. Then you read that there is a new update to Android. All of a sudden your device is a POS. You wonder why any sane person would even buy such a sack of sh*t. You question your own sanity for buying it in the first place. You call all your friends back and tell them you were dead wrong and no one should ever buy a device like yours ever again. Nothing about your device has changed. WTF??
Also, I'll point out that while older versions of IOS can run newer versions of IOS, they don't do it well at all. That's the main reason why devices don't get updated. Just saying.
Some of the responses here are mind boggling.
Consider this: These Android 3rd party partners essentially get these Android updates for free from Google. Contrast that with Apple who have to do most of the work (except for the open source parts they leverage, which isn't the *entire OS* in Android's case). These manufacturers then need to do, well, what volunteer hackers seem to have little trouble putting together from their bedrooms in relatively little man-hour time. So it's frankly in-excusable for the likes of Samsung, Sony, etc to not have provided Gingerbread updates by now for their devices. The fact that only 4% of handsets on Gingerbread proves the point!
My device is working just fine. Some better apps would make it alot more useful, but I doubt any sw updates will make this much better. Just like switching from windows XP to 7, what have I really gained?
Google encouraging 18 month update pledge
Well, its a start, what happens in practice remains to be seen:
http://androinica.com/2011/05/android-updates-for-18-months/
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Some of the responses here are mind boggling.
Consider this: These Android 3rd party partners essentially get these Android updates for free from Google. Contrast that with Apple who have to do most of the work (except for the open source parts they leverage, which isn't the *entire OS* in Android's case). These manufacturers then need to do, well, what volunteer hackers seem to have little trouble putting together from their bedrooms in relatively little man-hour time. So it's frankly in-excusable for the likes of Samsung, Sony, etc to not have provided Gingerbread updates by now for their devices. The fact that only 4% of handsets on Gingerbread proves the point!
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Three questions:
1. What entitles you to any updates at all? They provide the product. You take it out of the box and determine that you like it. Why do they have any obligation to update your device at all? You certainly don't see this happening with any other type of product.
2. What happened to break your device? When you got it you liked it or you would've taken it back. Now it's a POS. Why? What happened to it to break it?
3. What features of Gingerbread do you want/need on your Tab?
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Three questions:
1. What entitles you to any updates at all? They provide the product. You take it out of the box and determine that you like it. Why do they have any obligation to update your device at all? You certainly don't see this happening with any other type of product.
2. What happened to break your device? When you got it you liked it or you would've taken it back. Now it's a POS. Why? What happened to it to break it?
3. What features of Gingerbread do you want/need on your Tab?
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1.My windows laptop is constantly telling me that I have updates ready to install.
1&2. It can take awhile to notice some annoying little quirks and bugs on a device.
3. I would like to be able to use google talk with my front camera.
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baxy said:
1.My windows laptop is constantly telling me that I have updates ready to install.
1&2. It can take awhile to notice some annoying little quirks and bugs on a device.
3. I would like to be able to use google talk with my front camera.
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1. Really? Microsoft lets you update for free from XP to Windows 7? or even from Windows 7 Home to Windows 7 Professional? Please let me know how to do that. They're never giving me any updates other than security fixes. I've received no updates from Microsoft that included a brand new OS. Obviously I'm in the minority I guess.
2. What is it about your device that makes it a POS now when you liked it originally? What has changed or what have you noticed?
3. You didn't have this when you got the Tab. Why does this just now make you unhappy?
Gingerbread now out.!
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The sad thing is, they have over 600 posts between them
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and you have over 200 and still haven't learned people have a different opinion to yourself that's the really sad thing.
As i said at the bottom of my post get ready for the backlash
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Gingerbread now out.!
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I'm hearing that's just for some of the overseas Tabs and hasn't been rooted yet anyway. Or am I incorrect about all of those things? Wouldn't be the first time.
I've ordered a Moto X Developer's Edition. I'm a TMobile customer. While I expect I'll be using the pure Android OS that presumably is installed on the Dev Ed phone, I'm thinking I may want to add a few TMo features (wifi calling, visual voice mail) and maybe even at some point try the TMobile OS in its entirety (Sense 5? I dunno).
WIth my trusty HTC Sensation, which is a TMobile-issued phone, I've enjoyed being able to switch back and forth between pure Android and full-fledged TMobile Sense 4.x (and now even a preview of Sense 5), depending on my mood. I've also used a number of hybrid ROMs that incorporate some features of TMobile's custom OS. All have their advantages and disavantages, and I like to ROM-hop.
So, my question: Are there people out there who are stripping off desirable TMobile applets or are otherwise modding ROMs for use on a Moto X DevEd? I know nobody does this for the money, but I'm someone who likes to donate to these talented folks, btw.
Thanks.
This post is cute. T-Mobile doesn't make sense. HTC makes sense ui on all their android phones whether Verizon at&t or any other android phone carrier.
Moto is stock and that's all. Check android development section if there are any custom ROMs.
As far as their apps Google for them. I have visual voicemail on my nexus and the other T-Mobile app to make plan changes on the fly
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Visual Voicemail is available on Play. WiFi Calling is not available on any phones not officially sold by T-Mobile, so there's no WiFi calling on the X.
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This post is cute. T-Mobile doesn't make sense. HTC makes sense ui on all their android phones whether Verizon at&t or any other android phone carrier.
Moto is stock and that's all. Check android development section if there are any custom ROMs.
As far as their apps Google for them. I have visual voicemail on my nexus and the other T-Mobile app to make plan changes on the fly
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Oh, yeah. I use ROMs with Sense so seldom that I forgot that it was HTC and not TMo.
(I might as well come clean here: I'm an old geezer. Just don't ask me who the president of the US is or what day it is.)
Thanks for the clarification.
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Visual Voicemail is available on Play. WiFi Calling is not available on any phones not officially sold by T-Mobile, so there's no WiFi calling on the X.
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Thank you for the clarification. If anybody figures out a way to get wifi calling on a DevEd phone, please holler.
It's easy to do WiFi calling, just not with the T-Mobile app on the Moto X. I use an app named GrooveIP and a Google Voice number. It is a different phone number but that could be an advantage or a disadvantage.
Well... we are really grateful for this new Motorola been so attentive with us in order to provide the Kit Kat as fast as a Nexus device. But...
... as I'm reading about 4.4.1 and 4.4.2, these updates are major bug hunters, and not only a camera fix as "Google" says.
So, are Motorola working to implement this minor for us? Does anyone have an idea about it or can ask to Moto Care if there is any attempt from Moto about it?
The help desk from Moto here in Brazil is one step behind from US one cause we are partially receiving 4.4 by these days, so if 4.4 is something new to then to handle, imagine 4.4.2.
I made some research on news but unsuccessful.
This is likely why most other companies don't rush to release a new version of Android. They will go through all the effort of packaging, testing and releasing only to be screwed by Google a week later with a new update. I doubt the carriers like it either, as they like to test stuff.
Once something has been out for a bit and the major bugs are dealt with then it would be much easier to release. This is a bit of a flaw in how Google's android model works.
It would be much more ideal for Motorola to have adopted the Apple model where they release a new build and don't really care much what the carrier thinks.
I am sure someone at Motorola is already working with 4.4.2 but considering the number of carriers that don't have 4.4 yet it is hard to say what they will do. Maybe they will hold off on them and switch to a 4.4.2 build for the ones who haven't received 4.4 yet.
To keep up with the new android releases, the bloatware some carriers insist upon, builds for the different hardware models and then a huge number of different carriers must be quite the fun project to manage.
I heard that the 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 updates only had fixes for the nexuses devices and wont be pushed to any other kit kat devices
Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs. They "almost" squashed flash. It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall. They are trying to stop root. They are trying to stop 3rd party battery analysis apps.... Etc... Etc. Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
Anyway.... My point is... 4.4 is awful. Let's hope they do a better job with 5.0. And they stop leaning toward the apple philosophy of not letting people "play" with their phones.
Every device section I follow has threads about kit kat... And when will they get it. Then when they do, theirs tonnes of negative threads about it.
4.2.2.....the last best version. At this point.
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I'll add.... The carriers play a big part in these shenanigans I'm sure.
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I heard that the 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 updates only had fixes for the nexuses devices and wont be pushed to any other kit kat devices
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Not really... 4.4.1 was a big update regarding KitKat performance and bugfixes...
You can check the commits to see that they've changed A LOT of stuff in Android framework...
We definitely MUST have the 4.4.2 update... 4.4 is a bit laggy... 4.2.2 was much more stable...
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Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs. They "almost" squashed flash. It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall. They are trying to stop root. They are trying to stop 3rd party battery analysis apps.... Etc... Etc. Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
Anyway.... My point is... 4.4 is awful. Let's hope they do a better job with 5.0. And they stop leaning toward the apple philosophy of not letting people "play" with their phones.
Every device section I follow has threads about kit kat... And when will they get it. Then when they do, theirs tonnes of negative threads about it.
4.2.2.....the last best version. At this point.
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I think your science is off. SSDD when it comes to Android releases. Same exact posts sprouted up when Gingerbread was released...
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And to each their own.
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Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs. They "almost" squashed flash. It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall. They are trying to stop root. They are trying to stop 3rd party battery analysis apps.... Etc... Etc. Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
Anyway.... My point is... 4.4 is awful. Let's hope they do a better job with 5.0. And they stop leaning toward the apple philosophy of not letting people "play" with their phones.
Every device section I follow has threads about kit kat... And when will they get it. Then when they do, theirs tonnes of negative threads about it.
4.2.2.....the last best version. At this point.
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Buy a Developer edition so you have a unlocked boot loader. If you buy retail expect it to be locked down and lucky if a exploit is found.
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Buy a Developer edition so you have a unlocked boot loader. If you buy retail expect it to be locked down and lucky if a exploit is found.
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I have the Rogers version... I'm all unlocked.
I was talking about devices in general. Google and the carriers are making it tough on people to unlock... Root... Etc.... On many devices.
I have zero problems with my Moto X. I was knocking 4.4 and the direction Android in general seems to be heading.
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There is a reason that Google, manufacturers and carriers are making devices more and more secure. There is demand for it. People don't want insecure devices that someone can randomly access. Or, the want a secure phone that is good for both personal and business use. While you say it's bad, it isn't. I'm not sure why you think a secure device is a bad thing, or why you expect the initial software release to be bug free. I don't think there has been an Android release yet that hasn't seen a few quick incremental updates just after initial release to fix bugs.
Also, 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 are more than just "Nexus updates". Sure, the updates mainly apply to Nexus phones because they're the only ones running 4.4.0 really, other than the Moto X. There is a lot of stuff fixed that will apply to all devices running the software, not just Nexus phones.
The HTC One GPE 4.4.2 rollout is in progress, so it's definitely coming to non-Nexus phones.
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There is a reason that Google, manufacturers and carriers are making devices more and more secure. There is demand for it. People don't want insecure devices that someone can randomly access. Or, the want a secure phone that is good for both personal and business use.
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To add to that, Google also has an obligation to fix root exploits (and they are exploits on locked devices; Nexus devices will always be developer devices at heart) now that they offer TV Shows and Movies in the Play Store. Some app developers (game developers usually) also had to implement nasty DRM because of pirating, which sucks because a lot of games have to "check-in" to verify the license; so, if you don't have internet at the time of check-in, you don't get to play. The more Google can control on MAINSTREAM devices, the better for their long term contracts with studios (music, movies, television) and publishers (magazines, books).
I used to NEED root, but the Moto X actually changed my mind about that.
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It would be much more ideal for Motorola to have adopted the Apple model where they release a new build and don't really care much what the carrier thinks.
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No, it wouldn't have because no other mobile OEM in the world has the kind of sway with carriers that Apple has. Apple blew open the mobile industry. Don't forget that. As much as I love android, those are the facts. Sure, I'd love for that to change sooner rather than later. You can see small battles over this happening all the time. N7 2013 has the chips for VZW LTE bands. VZW suddenly decided not to activate N7s on their network. A customer would essentially have to nag and harass VZW to get it activated. Or, you could take an already activated LTE VZW sim and just pop it in.
There are many battles being waged that you may not be aware of. It's unlikely someone will win the war soon. But join the battle by voting with your wallet.
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Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs. They "almost" squashed flash. It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall. They are trying to stop root. They are trying to stop 3rd party battery analysis apps.... Etc... Etc. Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
Anyway.... My point is... 4.4 is awful. Let's hope they do a better job with 5.0. And they stop leaning toward the apple philosophy of not letting people "play" with their phones.
Every device section I follow has threads about kit kat... And when will they get it. Then when they do, theirs tonnes of negative threads about it.
4.2.2.....the last best version. At this point.
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This is simply not true. Following the history of previous Android release, the .0 release always came with a lot of small bugs. Otherwise, there won't be any subsequent point releases. For example, 4.2 was released on 11/13/2012, just 14 days later, there was a 4.2.1 release.
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No, it wouldn't have because no other mobile OEM in the world has the kind of sway with carriers that Apple has. Apple blew open the mobile industry. Don't forget that. As much as I love android, those are the facts. Sure, I'd love for that to change sooner rather than later. You can see small battles over this happening all the time. N7 2013 has the chips for VZW LTE bands. VZW suddenly decided not to activate N7s on their network. A customer would essentially have to nag and harass VZW to get it activated. Or, you could take an already activated LTE VZW sim and just pop it in.
There are many battles being waged that you may not be aware of. It's unlikely someone will win the war soon. But join the battle by voting with your wallet.
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I never said it was realistic, but I would prefer it if it were possible. My carrier doesn't even sell the Moto X, I had to buy one from another carrier and unlock it. No developer edition or motomaker in Canada either.
We certainly don't want to turn this thread towards apple but I'm pleased to say I am 100% apple free and also 100% cellphone contract free.
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... I'm pleased to say I am 100% apple free and also 100% cellphone contract free.
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Nice! I'm working on it: I suspended my VZW accounts, trying out tmo prepaid. I can't lie though, I'm very interested in seeing the effects of the bandwidth improvements vz made in my area. Another local xda user posted a speedtest screen that was 3x the performance of vz at it's peak. Maybe I'll borrow a sim from a friend...
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I never said it was realistic, but I would prefer it if it were possible. My carrier doesn't even sell the Moto X, I had to buy one from another carrier and unlock it. No developer edition or motomaker in Canada either.
We certainly don't want to turn this thread towards apple but I'm pleased to say I am 100% apple free and also 100% cellphone contract free.
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That's exactly what I did. Wanted to replace my s2...and buy a phone outright and say goodbye to contacts. I'm on telus. Did a tonne of reading, reviews and articles and XDA of course. Was between the G2, HTC one and the moto x. Decided on the X. And couldn't be happier.
For the Rogers version, unlocked sim, then boot loader... And rooted. The phone blows me away.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
Jason.DROID said:
I used to NEED root, but the Moto X actually changed my mind about that.
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Quoted for truth.
It'd mind blowing to me... I have no interest in rooting. For the first time... Ever.
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HTC one Google play edition just got 4.4.2. http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...rs/ShsH+(xda-developers)&utm_content=FaceBook
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This is just stupid:
kj2112 said:
Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs.
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You read about a lot of bugs everywhere.
They "almost" squashed flash.
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Gosh, imagine that, an incompatible and unsupported app doesn't work. Bad Google, bad! You should be designing your OS to work with random unsupported apps that are no longer in development!
It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall.
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You recall wrong.
They are trying to stop root.
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You know that rooting on non-dev phones is executing a security exploit, right? That it's a vulnerability in the phone? That leaving it open would actually be the worst thing to do?
Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
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Everything about your "scientific analysis" is wrong. Go back to the drawing board.
I completely understand why Google did this but one thing I liked about the N5 was how it had features other phones didn't. One big one just went bye-bye. http://gigaom.com/2014/08/01/the-go...ailable-for-almost-all-modern-android-phones/
GNL has been available for other devices for a while now.
The apk has been floating around the web since the N5 was released or shortly there after.
I still think the nexus line of devices are still very unique in that they get the fastest updates and developer support is second to none!
If there is a particular developer's work you like to follow, make sure to support him/her to show them your appreciation! :thumbup:
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Agreed with giant22000. N5 is best
peach007 said:
Agreed with giant22000. N5 is best
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Don't get me wrong, I love the N5 and have been nothing but pleased with it since I got mine. I liked the fact that I had a launcher that others did not and could not have without going out of the way to get it. Now it is much easier to install for users and I would expect it to pop up more in the wild than previously seen.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the N5 and have been nothing but pleased with it since I got mine. I liked the fact that I had a launcher that others did not and could not have without going out of the way to get it. Now it is much easier to install for users and I would expect it to pop up more in the wild than previously seen.
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I felt like that with the new google camera. I thought they were just going to update it for the N5 but they ended up releasing it for a lot of phones. However, maybe that will speed up new updates for it since it's not just for one phone.
PsychDrummer said:
I felt like that with the new google camera. I thought they were just going to update it for the N5 but they ended up releasing it for a lot of phones. However, maybe that will speed up new updates for it since it's not just for one phone.
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Only the Nexus 5 can use "HDR+" (HDR isn't anywhere near the same as "HDR+"), which is closed source (and also limited to Google Camera).
This has been available for a while now. I was running it on my Galaxy Nexus back in the day and, when it hit Google Play, many GPE devices were able to install it too. Now it’s even available on a lowly iPhone (some more detail at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Now).
I'll file this thread under "slow news day."
Honestly I hardly ever used the GNL
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Only the Nexus 5 can use "HDR+" (HDR isn't anywhere near the same as "HDR+"), which is closed source (and also limited to Google Camera).
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Yeah good point. I mean I'm over it now lol. I remember being a bit upset about the lens blur. Even though a lot of cameras have that feature already.
The launcher is by far the furthest thing from making the Nexus 5 what it is.
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The launcher is by far the furthest thing from making the Nexus 5 what it is.
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This. I actually don't like it at all. Nova all the way.
I hated the exclusive feature of GEL or GNL whatever it's called. Let it be open to all(without side loading)
Why are you upset that others have the option of the launcher ... Sorry but that seems childish
O.T. Less unique is also impossible. Something is either unique or not. There is no halfway.
You bought a phone with unlimited customization capabilities and you whine that the stock launcher for it, the phone that is the DEVELOPMENT device, for the entire Android ecosystem, has been made available to other Android devices?
First World Privilege Problems?
Kids these days...
The nexus series is always unique as it always gets the latest & the greatest android. Google had no plan of making the launcher a nexus 5 only thing. Even in the worst case, I'm sure Google would have at least supported the launcher on the older nexus phones officially. All of it was a part of Google's plan. First they saw how people received the launcher on the nexus 5. Following all the hype, they eventually made it available to all the devices out there.
Remember, Google's primary aim is to make all of its services available to all of its users. That's why they built android. They used android to reach their users & to make their services available to them easily & efficiently.
This really only applies to most of us that mod or like to customize our phones. IMO those people probably already use GOOGLE NOW Launcher anyways on whatever custom ROM they are running. I really dont see how this makes the phone less unique. Apps are not unique, the actual phone is what makes it unique than other phones on the market.
my 2 cents