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NO ICS For Us :(

Just checked the updated Motorola page... looks like this device is stuck at android 2.3 forever.
That really sucks, it's gotta be the 512mb memory that's in the device. I knew that would possibly be an issue when I first got the phone. Maybe we can put more pressure on moto to unlock our bootloader so we can get a fully functional ICS (even if it's hacked) on our devices.
Check the link:
http://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c

PFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I just saw this as well, very disappointing. I wish they would open up development to the community on devices they no longer plan on upgrading/supporting. I know it will never happen...but I can dream

Droid4 and Bionic get the ICS
maybe Hashcode or some one try to do what he can, and pull out from this phones something for us and for CM9 on D3

niko99 said:
Droid4 and Bionic get the ICS
maybe Hashcode or some one try to do what he can, and pull out from this phones something for us and for CM9 on D3
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Just got a response back from hash regarding this on twitter:
" @danifunker @dhacker29 I have 1 more trick up my sleeve for the D3. And if that doesnt work, then ill drop back to cm7.2 or something. "
Let's hope the tweak works out... but either way I think I could live with CM 7.2, although I would REALLY love running ICS on this phone.

What ever happened to Kexec for the D3? I'll sacrifice a core for a new kernel that could even OC that one to 1.2.

I started to believe that motorola doesn't want anyone to buy motorola products.

calash said:
I just saw this as well, very disappointing. I wish they would open up development to the community on devices they no longer plan on upgrading/supporting. I know it will never happen...but I can dream
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Sure would be nice if they would just open up phones when they started considering them legacy devices. Other than 4G which I don't particularly need anyway, the D3 is a great phone that could keep going for a long, long time just like my D1 did (I skipped the D2 and went directly from 1 to 3).
Part of the reason the D1 lasted me so long was that I could keep getting updates for it from Cyanogen. In fact I still have it. Though its no longer on the Vzw network I can test various things on it like security software, remote wipes etc over WiFi.
Verizon is probably against unlocking the D3 because they don't want to have the support issues and that's probably why we will never see it. How many people on these forums do you hear about that are constantly returning/exchanging phones that they have managed to kill through tweaking? Then its those same people who complain the loudest when the Motorola and the carriers won't unlock the phones. So, while I wish it was not so, we will probably never see them unlocked unless someone finds a way to hack them. Motorola isn't going to help and particularly VZW is not going to help.

danifunker said:
Just checked the updated Motorola page... looks like this device is stuck at android 2.3 forever.
That really sucks, it's gotta be the 512mb memory that's in the device. I knew that would possibly be an issue when I first got the phone. Maybe we can put more pressure on moto to unlock our bootloader so we can get a fully functional ICS (even if it's hacked) on our devices.
Check the link:
http://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
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HTC just released the HTC Desire C with a 600Mhz processor and 512MB ram. It runs Android 4.0
If they can do it with that, surely Motorola can too

ChristianPreachr said:
HTC just released the HTC Desire C with a 600Mhz processor and 512MB ram. It runs Android 4.0
If they can do it with that, surely Motorola can too
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It's possible that the HVGA screen on that device needs far less memory - HVGA is 480x320 which is 70% less pixels to push than the qHD on the Droid 3. Also, Moto is pretty terrible at software, Blur runs a lot slower and chews up a lot more memory than a lot of its competitors.
What Moto should do is release a plain vanilla, non-blur ICS as an optional upgrade. I have to think that would take a minimal amount of time to port vanilla ICS to the Droid 3 if there is no need to get it working with Blur - just need the drivers which should be substantially similar to Droid 4.
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ratman6161 said:
Sure would be nice if they would just open up phones when they started considering them legacy devices. Other than 4G which I don't particularly need anyway, the D3 is a great phone that could keep going for a long, long time just like my D1 did (I skipped the D2 and went directly from 1 to 3).
Part of the reason the D1 lasted me so long was that I could keep getting updates for it from Cyanogen. In fact I still have it. Though its no longer on the Vzw network I can test various things on it like security software, remote wipes etc over WiFi.
Verizon is probably against unlocking the D3 because they don't want to have the support issues and that's probably why we will never see it. How many people on these forums do you hear about that are constantly returning/exchanging phones that they have managed to kill through tweaking? Then its those same people who complain the loudest when the Motorola and the carriers won't unlock the phones. So, while I wish it was not so, we will probably never see them unlocked unless someone finds a way to hack them. Motorola isn't going to help and particularly VZW is not going to help.
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Couldn't they just do what HTC did - online based bootloader unlock tool, which builds a list of unlocked IMEIs which are then voided of their warranty, and people calling for support will be checked against this list. Of course, the most enterprising guys with bricked phones will try to change their IMEI sticker, but that wouldn't match their Verizon account records.

This is so sad... Cant believe that Dual Core Processor phone is not eligable to receive Ice Cream Sandwich... Media shall be contacted, so they could make fun from Motorola... I'm never going to buy Motorola products again.. Ever.

Rlin5741 said:
What Moto should do is release a plain vanilla, non-blur ICS as an optional upgrade. I have to think that would take a minimal amount of time to port vanilla ICS to the Droid 3 if there is no need to get it working with Blur - just need the drivers which should be substantially similar to Droid 4.
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Im pretty sure all we need is a compatible kernel and hashcode will take care of the rest. If Motorola could do that, it can extend the life of our phones.
Sent from my XT860 running ICS

Time to do some more Facebook trolling, I may even make an account over on the Motorola forums and do some spamming/trolling.
In July 2011 when I bought my phone there were 2 new Motorola smartphones out there the Droid 3 and Droid X2. Both had dual core processors and felt mid-high end at the time. But somehow an Android OS upgrade that was released less than 6 months after the Droid 3 was released is skipped by Motorola.
This was my first Android phone and I bought it because I wanted a keyboard and really liked the feel of a friends OG Droid. The OG was probably built better but I have still been mostly satisfied with the Droid 3 hardware wise. But I just can't see myself buying another Motorola device. I will have to see what is out there in 2013 when I upgrade, hopefully some nice QWERTY non Motorola devices.

Damn it Verizon
This is the Fourth phone that I've had from Verizon that has been abandoned before the end of it's life cycle. Although I am sure this is Motorola's fault I will curse Verizon for all time and remember to get the latest and greatest for top dollar right off the bat to ensure that I will get updates when dealing with a cell phone company or maybe get a landline and tell jerks like Verizon to stick it where the sun don't shine. The real pisser is that I am finding this out the day after I spent the money that could have been used to buy out my contract. Color me angry and frustrated.
I'm going to start reading up about custom roms for this phone I might as well since support is all but gone from this model.

Return the phone and tell them you want out. Can be done.
Sent from my DROID3 using xda premium

spunker88 said:
Time to do some more Facebook trolling, I may even make an account over on the Motorola forums and do some spamming/trolling.
In July 2011 when I bought my phone there were 2 new Motorola smartphones out there the Droid 3 and Droid X2. Both had dual core processors and felt mid-high end at the time. But somehow an Android OS upgrade that was released less than 6 months after the Droid 3 was released is skipped by Motorola.
This was my first Android phone and I bought it because I wanted a keyboard and really liked the feel of a friends OG Droid. The OG was probably built better but I have still been mostly satisfied with the Droid 3 hardware wise. But I just can't see myself buying another Motorola device. I will have to see what is out there in 2013 when I upgrade, hopefully some nice QWERTY non Motorola devices.
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Please don't troll that forum. The mods there aren't actualy affiliated with moto like you think.
I did some of this back in the day about the d2 and learned the hard way.
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Will developer edition get updates?

I know how stupid this question sounds, so hear me out before you tear my post apart.
I found out that if the boot loader becomes unlocked, then there are 4 apps that are deleted (Calculator is one, I don't recall the others). This seems really minor, but he post said that the One would refuse to update from that point forward because of the missing apps, throwing an error that prevents said updates. My fear is that future updates will be a rocky road and want to get some input from the community.
I'm wanting to get the developer edition, mostly because I want to have a phone that isn't tied to my carrier, has 64 Gigs of storage, and not have undeletable bloat-ware. Plus, I might develop for Android later down the road.
Should I get the carrier's phone, or can I put my fears at ease and get the developer edition?

This smells like fart...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong... But I would think without any carrier testing holding it back... Updates would come quicker for the developer edition.
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It isn't called a developer edition for nothing.
1st you'll get it bootloader unlocked by default so no more HTC Dev and no more removal of apps.
2nd it is a developer edition. It should recieve updates far earlier than other variants cause you'll likely recieve beta updates which aren't released yet for you guys to test our the firmware before distributing it officially.
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I know how stupid this question sounds, so hear me out before you tear my post apart.
I found out that if the boot loader becomes unlocked, then there are 4 apps that are deleted (Calculator is one, I don't recall the others). This seems really minor, but he post said that the One would refuse to update from that point forward because of the missing apps, throwing an error that prevents said updates. My fear is that future updates will be a rocky road and want to get some input from the community.
I'm wanting to get the developer edition, mostly because I want to have a phone that isn't tied to my carrier, has 64 Gigs of storage, and not have undeletable bloat-ware. Plus, I might develop for Android later down the road.
Should I get the carrier's phone, or can I put my fears at ease and get the developer edition?
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Looks like I'm getting the developer edition then. Thanks for the help guys.

[Q] Is the dev community for this device very small?

I just got a Developers Edition Moto X and I love the device, but coming from the HTC One, it has come as a shock to me how different each forum is.
I'm very surprised we haven't got a stock ROM for the 4.4.2 update that is flashable with TWRP/CWM.
Is it because of the locked bootloaders? Did the device not sell well?

From what I've read here is that most people are happy with the stock ROM with root. As the ROM is so close to Vanilla Android, there is not a lot of development in ROMs for this phone. Also most want to keep Active Display and/or the Touchless Controls. I just got an OTA for 4.2.2 on my retail unlocked Moto X (also referred to as the T-Mobile version).
As far as the boot loader goes, to my knowledge only the Verizon retail and AT&T retail Moto X's are locked. All the other models can be unlocked by requesting the unlock code from Motorola. And I think the phone sold well. It definitely could have used a lot more marketing help to compete with the larger manufacturers.

sucks that mine is locked

zewone said:
I just got a Developers Edition Moto X and I love the device, but coming from the HTC One, it has come as a shock to me how different each forum is.
I'm very surprised we haven't got a stock ROM for the 4.4.2 update that is flashable with TWRP/CWM.
Is it because of the locked bootloaders? Did the device not sell well?
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I find that stock rooted with Xposed and the Gravity Box module are all I need ... I too got the dev edition as well, if for nothing else rooting after OTAs we be less of a hassle
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Well we do have a stock flashable 4.4.2 ROM there's actually 2 one for the 1052 and kangakat ,both are for the gsm version and I do believe they will also work on the CDMA variant If you swap out the build prop, we also have custom Roms, slimkat, cm11, gummy.pacman, Liquid smooth and beanstalk
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X

Hikikomori-Otaku said:
From what I've read here is that most people are happy with the stock ROM with root. As the ROM is so close to Vanilla Android, there is not a lot of development in ROMs for this phone. Also most want to keep Active Display and/or the Touchless Controls. I just got an OTA for 4.2.2 on my retail unlocked Moto X (also referred to as the T-Mobile version).
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I completely agree with this. ROMs like CyanogenMod or AOKP aren't likely to support Active Displays, or "Okay Google Now" voice commands, or flicking the wrist to unlock the camera.
Also, I think the fact that there's a big split between the Dev Editions and Moto-Maker hurts things more. A lot of people of Moto-Maker, and they're very limited on what they can do with their phones compared to Dev Edition. Then you add in the fact that there are GSM/Verizon/Sprint versions all mixed AND the phone hasn't sold well, and things are very limited.

zewone said:
I just got a Developers Edition Moto X and I love the device, but coming from the HTC One, it has come as a shock to me how different each forum is.
I'm very surprised we haven't got a stock ROM for the 4.4.2 update that is flashable with TWRP/CWM.
Is it because of the locked bootloaders? Did the device not sell well?
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not to worry. even though a lot are pleased with stock out of the box, there will be ROMs. we can still tweak, improve, and slim it down some. i officially ordered mine yesterday and it is the DE/T-Mob variant XT1053.
just like others have said, the device hasn't been advertised as much as it should be, esp with the deals that keep going on with it. if it would stay at $300 for 16gb/$350 for 32gb, they would sell like hot cakes.
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I completely agree with this. ROMs like CyanogenMod or AOKP aren't likely to support Active Displays, or "Okay Google Now" voice commands, or flicking the wrist to unlock the camera.
Also, I think the fact that there's a big split between the Dev Editions and Moto-Maker hurts things more. A lot of people of Moto-Maker, and they're very limited on what they can do with their phones compared to Dev Edition. Then you add in the fact that there are GSM/Verizon/Sprint versions all mixed AND the phone hasn't sold well, and things are very limited.
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the GSM unlocked on Moto-Maker is the exact same as the Dev Edition. i think this is confusing a lot of people.

[Q] [Question] Any tips for purchasing the Moto X Developers Edition?

I am thinking about getting the Moto X 2013 Developer Edition unlocked. My concerns are :
- Is the hardware any different from the regular Moto X? I'd like to know if there are many custom ROMs for this model or do they mostly target the standard Moto X only? I have had similar issues with other non-standard phone models (G2, Nexus4, Note 2)
- Can I use this for LTE/4G in Canada? (Rogers)
- Is the Camera really that bad? Any better in Lollipop
- Speaking of which, is Lollipop released for this yet?
- Is the camera any better with Lollipop or CM12 Roms?
Any other general tips before getting this phone? Recommend it or not?

1. No. A quick search on Google would answer that. All Moto Xs are, essentially, developer editions. The one thing that makes a developer edition different from all the rest is the color scheme and the ability to unlock the bootloader through Motorola while maintaining the warranty. Unlocking the bootloader on any other variant voids the warranty.
2. Google. Or compare the 2 developer editions that are available to the Rogers Moto X.
3. Subjective. It's all a matter of your expectations and needs. It's no iPhone camera but it doesn't suck.
4. Try Google or browse around this forum.
5. About the same. What you should be considering is whether or not you're willing to deal with losing the Motorola features like Moto Display, Assist, etc.
6. Use Google and do more research of your own. You can know just as much as we do because we have access to the same information you do. Asking for a recommendation from a group of people who own the phone you're looking to buy? What do you think the answer is going to be? Do you think you'll be able to find a better phone for $200 brand new without a contract?

nhizzat said:
1. No. A quick search on Google would answer that. All Moto Xs are, essentially, developer editions. The one thing that makes a developer edition different from all the rest is the color scheme and the ability to unlock the bootloader through Motorola while maintaining the warranty. Unlocking the bootloader on any other variant voids the warranty.
2. Google. Or compare the 2 developer editions that are available to the Rogers Moto X.
3. Subjective. It's all a matter of your expectations and needs. It's no iPhone camera but it doesn't suck.
4. Try Google or browse around this forum.
5. About the same. What you should be considering is whether or not you're willing to deal with losing the Motorola features like Moto Display, Assist, etc.
6. Use Google and do more research of your own. You can know just as much as we do because we have access to the same information you do. Asking for a recommendation from a group of people who own the phone you're looking to buy? What do you think the answer is going to be? Do you think you'll be able to find a better phone for $200 brand new without a contract?
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Wow. Do you enjoy answering questions just to show your arrogance?
I did do Google searches but no specific answers came up. A lot of the results are from XDA as well with slightly different questions.
Fix your attitude. This is a Q&A forum. Or just don't post at all. No one needs your crap.
Thanks for the answers but not worth the attitude.

I got a brand new one on Ebay a month ago for $200. It was the XT1053.
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marsisabar said:
Wow. Do you enjoy answering questions just to show your arrogance?
I did do Google searches but no specific answers came up. A lot of the results are from XDA as well with slightly different questions.
Fix your attitude. This is a Q&A forum. Or just don't post at all. No one needs your crap.
Thanks for the answers but not worth the attitude.
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How much are you gonna complain at the guy giving you free help? I apologize that his free help wasn't exactly as you expected...
The camera is bad by modern standards but will totally take pictures of what you point it at. Unless the picture has very good composition, landscape scenes are a bit of a let down... Ive noticed that macro pictures look pretty good. Not the best camera if you are trying to be a photographer.... But will totally work to show your buddies a picture of what you drew on that passed out guy at the party...
There is a super long thread called show of pictures you snapped with the moto x....
Otherwise, as he said developer edition is policy only (other then color and automatic 32gig). The only difference is that when you unlock moto will still honor your warrenty (and on vzw, ect they allow you to unlock)
Ton here.... Just read through the forums for a while. Thats what I did.

Read first then ask. All your question can be answered by Google. I guess you haven't watched the XDA's "Don't be a Noob" video.
1. GSM Arena, Phone Arena or any other site that features phone specs.
2. What bands does your carrier support? When you know that, compare it to the bands supported by Moto X DE.
3. Subjective.
4. No, the answer is all over Moto X reddit.
5. Do you want the features that Motorola offers over CM12?
6. This is a site for custom ROMs and kernels. I own one. What do you think?

Just to reiterate, only hardware difference is the 32gb while other moto Xs may be 16,32, or 64. Other difference is the white back/black front and "developer Edition" printed on the back. Camera isn't bad in my opinion but certainly not iphone level. Like everyone said, policy advantage that you can unlock the bootloader etc. Don't think there are that many roms but I'm betting you won't need them. Stock is fast and smooth, and you don't want to lose the Moto features. Any customization you need is possible through Xposed and gravity box. This phone cured me and many other flashaholics. Best phone I've ever had so far.

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
marsisabar said:
I am thinking about getting the Moto X 2013 Developer Edition unlocked. My concerns are :
- Is the hardware any different from the regular Moto X? I'd like to know if there are many custom ROMs for this model or do they mostly target the standard Moto X only? I have had similar issues with other non-standard phone models (G2, Nexus4, Note 2)
- Can I use this for LTE/4G in Canada? (Rogers)
- Is the Camera really that bad? Any better in Lollipop
- Speaking of which, is Lollipop released for this yet?
- Is the camera any better with Lollipop or CM12 Roms?
Any other general tips before getting this phone? Recommend it or not?
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Hey, don't mind the big dorks around here, they can't help them selves Anyone with any sense realizes that you are unsure and trying to be clear as possible, while asking for help with humilty. If I could give you good answers I would.
I would (make sure your variant works with this because i'm not sure about your's) try Kryton, Eclipse (they are essentially stock based but debloated and tweaked in certain areas - I think - VERY good place to start especially if you want to keep the things that make a Moto X special (moto apps yada.) There's a search with in each thread that searchs only that thread for key words etc if you didn't already see it. Prolly start with main search with in Moto Development Forum and then search inside each individual thread that is interesting or might be specifically about your device/variant.
I am prolly telling you things you already know but, yeah just want to give you something besides a childish attitude you received previously.:good:
The Lollipop ROMS are not ready for prime time yet (just my opinion) Camera is fine, for a phone. Has very quick shutter speed(99%) so catching that moment instead of a blur is likely... I wouldn't plan on anything but candid/off the cuff shot's plenty good for what it is. Last thing you wanna do is compare... If it were me I'd decide what I need out of a phone, then what I want and find the phone that most closely matches it. Enjoy!:good:
Stock room is great BTW, Once you get up and running start with Xposed (free.. ****in awesome) and try out gravtybox, amplify, greenify... it all depends what you want/need.
MOTO X is a great phone
- Big Dork Myself.

kyzn said:
Read first then ask. All your question can be answered by Google. I guess you haven't watched the XDA's "Don't be a Noob" video.
1. GSM Arena, Phone Arena or any other site that features phone specs.
2. What bands does your carrier support? When you know that, compare it to the bands supported by Moto X DE.
3. Subjective.
4. No, the answer is all over Moto X reddit.
5. Do you want the features that Motorola offers over CM12?
6. This is a site for custom ROMs and kernels. I own one. What do you think?
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3. Saying 'subjective' doesn't help. I actually am looking for your subjective opinions. That's why I'm asking here.

bothgoodandbad said:
Hey, don't mind the big dorks around here, they can't help them selves Anyone with any sense realizes that you are unsure and trying to be clear as possible, while asking for help with humilty. If I could give you good answers I would.
I would (make sure your variant works with this because i'm not sure about your's) try Kryton, Eclipse (they are essentially stock based but debloated and tweaked in certain areas - I think - VERY good place to start especially if you want to keep the things that make a Moto X special (moto apps yada.) There's a search with in each thread that searchs only that thread for key words etc if you didn't already see it. Prolly start with main search with in Moto Development Forum and then search inside each individual thread that is interesting or might be specifically about your device/variant.
I am prolly telling you things you already know but, yeah just want to give you something besides a childish attitude you received previously.:good:
The Lollipop ROMS are not ready for prime time yet (just my opinion) Camera is fine, for a phone. Has very quick shutter speed(99%) so catching that moment instead of a blur is likely... I wouldn't plan on anything but candid/off the cuff shot's plenty good for what it is. Last thing you wanna do is compare... If it were me I'd decide what I need out of a phone, then what I want and find the phone that most closely matches it. Enjoy!:good:
Stock room is great BTW, Once you get up and running start with Xposed (free.. ****in awesome) and try out gravtybox, amplify, greenify... it all depends what you want/need.
MOTO X is a great phone
- Big Dork Myself.
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Finally a normal person responds. Thank you That's just the answer I was looking for. Stay cool [emoji106]

marsisabar said:
I am thinking about getting the Moto X 2013 Developer Edition unlocked. My concerns are :
Is the hardware any different from the regular Moto X? I'd like to know if there are many custom ROMs for this model or do they mostly target the standard Moto X only? I have had similar issues with other non-standard phone models (G2, Nexus4, Note 2)
Can I use this for LTE/4G in Canada? (Rogers)
Is the Camera really that bad? Any better in Lollipop
Speaking of which, is Lollipop released for this yet?
Is the camera any better with Lollipop or CM12 Roms?
Any other general tips before getting this phone? Recommend it or not?
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There are 2 Developer Editions of the 2013 X.. A GSM and a "for Verizon". All the GSM editions only come with Black Face, Woven White back that says Dev Edition, silver accents (buttons and ring around camera), come as 32gig only, and their warranty is not voided when unlocking their bootloader. Other than that they are the same as others. Just like the "Unlocked ships with XXX Sim" from Moto Maker, and/or a "T-Mobile" variant, the GSM Dev Edition is the XT1053. All these XT1053 units use the SAME ROM/SBF files. Just like the Moto Maker or in-Store version of the Verizon X, the Dev Edition for Verizon is an XT1060. These XT1060 units all use the SAME ROM/SBF files.
Oh, and because of this, the Dev Editions receive their OTA updates on the same schedule as their retail and moto maker counter parts.
Rogers sells/uses the XT1058, it supports different LTE bands than the XT1053 and XT1060, so you need to see exactly what Rogers is using today vs what the XT1053 or XT1060 support, and is it important to you, or how will that impact you. (there is a Wikipedia page on the X which does list the bands the models support, I just don't know where to tell you to find exactly which bands Rogers uses today, and might roll out in the future). NOTE: The Rogers XT1058 can have its bootloader unlocked for free from Moto's web site, but it does void the phone's warranty
in my experience (dating back to my Moto V710), Cameras in moto's phones have always lagged behind the competition. The X is no exception. Is it worthless? No. But if its not perfect conditions, you'll likely be disappointed. For outdoor, sunny day and perfectly lit situations, it takes great pictures. For Indoors, or cloudy day, or back lit, its not as good. There is a thread of pix taken with the X in the general section, but I've not had as good of luck with mine as pix you'll see in that thread (I don't retouch or edit after taking) as many have posted in that thread. As for lollipop camera, no idea until it gets here. And I don't use CM.
Lollipop is out for the 2014 X (aka 2nd gen), but not the 2013 X (aka 1st gen) yet. No word on when it will be out. But moto has said it will be coming.
Already answered in #3 and #4

Arrogance? I once had all the same questions. Guess what I did? I searched and read then made an informed decision. The only difference being that I bought the phone when there was a lot less information available. You have the luxury of having a year and a half of information at your disposal from all over the internet.
If you can't find answers with that much information at your fingertips, how does that make me arrogant? I don't pretend to know more than you, I just believe in being logical and taking responsibility. If the phone is highly recommended and leads you to buy it, then what would you say or do if you find the phone doesn't suit your needs or doesn't meet your expectations? Would you ask strangers about anything and accept what they say as true without confirming the information yourself? Or would you buy something because a stranger recommended that you do?

I asked for advice and you gave "google it, google it, its subjective, what do you want from me"
You definitely have an attitude problem. It doesn't belong on XDA where the community is typically about discussing and sharing advice and opinion.
I'm glad you got your answers from google. This is still a Q&A forum. Fix your attitude, its also in the rules.

Well...

Appears this is where we come to an end with development and rooting. All other g4s have been Rooted on Android m. We just don't have any love for this device. Appears we all messed up when we chose sprint as our carrier. Argh!

Wat, who are you? What makes you think you can make that call? There are people that spent countless hours making ROMs and Developing for the Sprint LG G4 and you think you have the final say?
Quoting what you said just in case you edit you post: "Appears this is where we come to an end with development and rooting. All other g4s have been Rooted on Android m. We just don't have any love for this device. Appears we all messed up when we chose sprint as our carrier. Argh!" with screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/DxsEmvG.png
Not the right way to think, just wait. Have you contributed in anyway to the Sprint LG G4 here on XDA? I sure have with my free hotspot bug (patched on Android M).

I highly doubt Verizon G4 is rooted on m.
In fact I don't think they even have Marshmallow update yet.

what is so appealing in Marshmallow to make one want to upgrade urgently? If you have stable L with root and xposed, why not staying with it. I do not think there is Xposed for M anyways yet, which is the main reason to root this phone.

I am with you. This phone is the most disappointing tech purchase in all my years of existence. I love the camera and removable battery but this phone is just crap and doesn't get much dev love. I beat if the bootloader got unlocked and I can load a true rom on it this phone would be great. I think most of the problems is LG's crappy modifications to android. Every time it get slow, unresponsive, the touch screen lags behind, or a stupid Sprint notification advertisement pops up I want to chuck it against a wall and then jump off a cliff.
I am just using this as a rude awakening to the future. This will most likely be one of the last phones that isn't sealed tight. Guess I need to carry around a clunky battery pack with cable dangling from my pockets instead of a small quick batter swap. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader will become ever more difficult with upcoming phones. The glory days are over I feel

centran said:
I am with you. This phone is the most disappointing tech purchase in all my years of existence. I love the camera and removable battery but this phone is just crap and doesn't get much dev love. I beat if the bootloader got unlocked and I can load a true rom on it this phone would be great. I think most of the problems is LG's crappy modifications to android. Every time it get slow, unresponsive, the touch screen lags behind, or a stupid Sprint notification advertisement pops up I want to chuck it against a wall and then jump off a cliff.
I am just using this as a rude awakening to the future. This will most likely be one of the last phones that isn't sealed tight. Guess I need to carry around a clunky battery pack with cable dangling from my pockets instead of a small quick batter swap. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader will become ever more difficult with upcoming phones. The glory days are over I feel
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I disabled and uninstalled everything I could with sprint software. Haven't had any of their pop ups in months. It seems you bought a phone in one of the bad batches with your lagging screen.
I hate their UI though...

One of the best phones I've had in terms of specs etc. Would be something if I could run CM13 on this one day..
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I don't have Android M on my phone yet....
...so maybe I can keep my hopes up. Sprint didn't give me Marshmallow on my phone. I'm not begging for it either. From what I'm gathering here, you're all good if you're on Lollipop (5.1) Right?

EmSeeMAC said:
I disabled and uninstalled everything I could with sprint software. Haven't had any of their pop ups in months. It seems you bought a phone in one of the bad batches with your lagging screen.
I hate their UI though...
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Yep I had a bad batch phone and it was before Sprint admitted the problem so I sent it to LG. LG fixed my phone but did not replace it. That is probably the big problem. Now I have a phone that is only having lagging problems and since that is subjective and random so not easily repeatable I am screwed.

SeeLaH said:
...so maybe I can keep my hopes up. Sprint didn't give me Marshmallow on my phone. I'm not begging for it either. From what I'm gathering here, you're all good if you're on Lollipop (5.1) Right?
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We do have Marshmallow, but the OTA is taking reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally long.

I just got the notification a few minutes ago for the update. I'm from Michigan and figured I was one of the last places to get it but I guess not. Newho, I've read that there's gonna be more dev work on our g4 but they were waiting for Android m to come out before they focused their energy to cracking the bootloader. Stay patient as the carriers are getting wise to what our devs have been doing and they try to seal up the phone to keep us out. But when there's a will there's a way and it will happen eventually.

Well I'm hoping for ultrapop marshmallow, lol. The phone stock was fine and ultrapop was perfect for me. Would be nice to have cm in this phone but ultrapop was all I really need.
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esloudan said:
Well I'm hoping for ultrapop marshmallow, lol. The phone stock was fine and ultrapop was perfect for me. Would be nice to have cm in this phone but ultrapop was all I really need.
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Don't think that's gonna happen, as MM security is the reason we don't even have systemless root yet. UltraPop relies on changing the system partition, which the Lollipop boot sequence isn't as strong. in MM as soon as the system partition is changed, it causes hashes and whatnot to change, the boot sequence detects the changes and doesn't allow the phone to boot. I think we'll need an unlocked bootloader for UP-type "pseudo-roms"

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Don't think that's gonna happen, as MM security is the reason we don't even have systemless root yet. UltraPop relies on changing the system partition, which the Lollipop boot sequence isn't as strong. in MM as soon as the system partition is changed, it causes hashes and whatnot to change, the boot sequence detects the changes and doesn't allow the phone to boot. I think we'll need an unlocked bootloader for UP-type "pseudo-roms"
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Exactly. I was able to work-around the system partition in ZV6 because LG security only checked for certain files were present. In ZV8, there is LG security checksum for the whole system partition. Since we have a locked bootloader, we can't modify Kernel without tripping the boot security. I am still going to try to get a modified stock ROM working, or maybe mix of ZV6/ZV8, but have not had much time lately.

Roms for our phone? please tell me where roms are at for our phone. i only see 1. that is still stock. ultrapop

Go to the Sprint Fun and Games app and hit the menu button, then settings, then deselect the box Atuomatically install Zone / Fun & Game updates and the notifications boxes. Super disappointed in Sprint for having this.

centran said:
I am with you. This phone is the most disappointing tech purchase in all my years of existence. I love the camera and removable battery but this phone is just crap and doesn't get much dev love. I beat if the bootloader got unlocked and I can load a true rom on it this phone would be great. I think most of the problems is LG's crappy modifications to android. Every time it get slow, unresponsive, the touch screen lags behind, or a stupid Sprint notification advertisement pops up I want to chuck it against a wall and then jump off a cliff.
I am just using this as a rude awakening to the future. This will most likely be one of the last phones that isn't sealed tight. Guess I need to carry around a clunky battery pack with cable dangling from my pockets instead of a small quick batter swap. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader will become ever more difficult with upcoming phones. The glory days are over I feel
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This phone has plenty of "dev love". Some of the best developers are trying their hand at it. There's a huge bounty for unlocking the bootloader, and plenty of people trying to earn it.
The problem is, until one of them (or the part timers like me) stumble across something that works, we're in a holding pattern. We have something stable that works in Android L with root and xposed framework, and until the bootloader issue is solved, that will have to do.
Be patient, OR hit the general Android development section and LEARN. Do it yourself. Grab the bounty. There's plenty of us doing what we can, even as far as hard bricking our devices and getting them replaced by trying methods that work for other devices. I myself am on my second LS991 from trying a method that worked on the kindle fire where you get into fastboot by nuking laf and still haven't had any luck getting a patched bootloader to stick.
So cool off and have some patience. Some people haven't even had the official OTA roll out to their area yet and you're crying that you don't have rooted M? Grow up.

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agentfusion said:
This phone has plenty of "dev love". Some of the best developers are trying their hand at it. There's a huge bounty for unlocking the bootloader, and plenty of people trying to earn it.
The problem is, until one of them (or the part timers like me) stumble across something that works, we're in a holding pattern. We have something stable that works in Android L with root and xposed framework, and until the bootloader issue is solved, that will have to do.
Be patient, OR hit the general Android development section and LEARN. Do it yourself. Grab the bounty. There's plenty of us doing what we can, even as far as hard bricking our devices and getting them replaced by trying methods that work for other devices. I myself am on my second LS991 from trying a method that worked on the kindle fire where you get into fastboot by nuking laf and still haven't had any luck getting a patched bootloader to stick.
So cool off and have some patience. Some people haven't even had the official OTA roll out to their area yet and you're crying that you don't have rooted M? Grow up.
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LG will not be unlocking any other G4's except the Euro H815.
Hello,
Thank you for your interest in LG mobile devices.
Currently, you can only unlock bootloader for LG G4 for the European market with model number H815.
And we have no plan to support bootloader unlocking for H815T.
If there are any changes to the supported devices, we will let you know via our website.
Thank you.
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DaemeonZane said:
LG will not be unlocking any other G4's except the Euro H815.
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And? That doesn't mean they can't be unlocked by other means. It just means LG will not be providing the binary file for oem-unlock via fastboot. Some of us have already gotten limited fastboot access by willingly destroying the laf partition and using a serial USB connection. Right now I'm working on trying to figure out how to get access to other fastboot commands not available in this limited mode, then it's just a matter of creating a reliable semi-automated process so it's accessible to less technical users, and if no one beats me to it; collecting the bounty on a reliable bootloader unlock and ability to flash recovery and make it stick. (Which, to be absolutely honest ... Though I'm not working with anyone else, I would not have gotten *anywhere* without ideas others have bounced around on these forums that helped me make progress when stuck, so I will contact each of them privately to divide half of the bounty between them if I am first to be able to collect it)