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Okay! So, I wanted to find out if the HTC One Developer Edition would receive OTA updates directly from HTC (since we are after all not tied to any particular carrier). I had several discussion with the Support representatives. Note that I do not have the actual questions that I raised with me right now. So, I will just kinda summarize what I asked.
Here are the transcripts of those discussions:
1. Question: I recently purchased the HTC One 64 GB Developer Edition. I would like to know if the HTC One Developer Edition would also be receiving OTA updates as and when they taken place, like the other HTC One versions? Or would we who own the Developer Edition have to download them from your website htcdev.com
Srini, please keep in mind that every Software Update is thoroughly tested to ensure it will not cause any conflict with our HTC Sense User Interface, after tested the update is released to the carriers and the release is at their discretion.
Since your device is not carrier branded, you will be able to select the carrier of your choice and receive the updates directly from them, at the time they release it to their network. As well, your device comes with the bootloader unlocked you will be able to develop your own versions of the operating system on the device, or download them and install them on your HTC One.
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2. Not sure what was the question I asked here. But here's the reply anyway...
Srini, having an unlocked bootloader does not affect the OTA capacities of a phone, this will only be affected at the time you Root and customize the ROM on your device.
Regarding the software updates released by the service providers, these are deployed to their customer base via OTA or RUU, taking into account that you will have to use your device with a service provider of your choice, at the time they deploy a software update you can verify on your phone doing the following:
1. Slide the Notifications panel open, and then tap Settings.
2. Tap About > Software updates. HTC One checks if updates are available.
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3. Question: Would I not be receiving direct OTA updates from HTC? Why from carriers when I am not carrier dependent?
You will receive the updated directly from your carrier. Actually, we work closely with our carrier partners to ensure we deliver the best experience possible on our devices.
After internal testing, we test the software on live networks in order to confirm the experience matches our expectations, and carrier expectations, for performance, connectivity and platform stability. While testing takes time, we're working quickly with our carrier partners to rollout these updates.
Even if you have the developer edition, the carrier you choose will release the software updates when available.
What we might release at certain point is enhancements we have developed for your device, but for bigger software updates, you need to wait for your carrier.
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4. Hello Jennifer, Thank you for your response. I understand that the carrier would be giving the software updates. But in my case, although I purchased the HTC Dev edition from US, I reside in India. So, what would happen in my case? What about the minor & major software upgrades? Would I receive them? Because here in India, the carriers are not involved in the update process, like they do in the US. Hence, this question - would I be able to receive OTA updates (both minor & major) from HTC directly?
If you will stay permanently in India, using your HTC One Developer Edition, the best option to be inform and have the latest updates is to stay tuned to our official website at: https://support.htc.com/en
In this website we will post the updates available for your device.
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I cannot believe that HTC is redirecting me to a carrier for my updates. How is that even possible? Why should I be dependent on the carrier? Isn't that one of the main reasons for not purchasing a contract phone, so that I am not waiting (like forever) for the carrier's to send out their updates?
And I also checked out other forums on XDA and other forums throughout the web for similar questions. And I see that different people have received different answers. I just do not understand why HTC cannot have a single answer for this?
Does this mean we are forever dependent on http://www.htcdev.com???
Looking on HTCDev.com, it shows the Developer Edition as being linked to 'Brightstar US' and not HTC themselves so OTA updates will come from them. I could be wrong, though
HTC said that One Dev Edition will not receive OTA Update.
Because Dev don't need this and have an unlocked bootloader.
If some Dev need an HTC update, they can use a RUU
So, no chance of getting any sort of OTA for our Developer Edition?
Well - I guess all are wrong about this. At least most definitely, the HTC Customer service reps are. I initially got my HTC Dev version on 1.29.1540.3.
And I am happy to report that I just now got a System Update, upgrading it to 1.29.1540.16
Not sure what the improvements are though in this new version.
And thinking that i read that HTC said it will not release OTA update for Dev version, lol
Where can I purchase the developer edition 64 gb in black
HTC one X+ Elegancia V6.0
No. I didn't mean you guich. You were, after all, guided (or misguided) by HTC.
I meant it for those HTC reps who were untrained in this matter. What now angers me is that the those reps could've said we aren't trained or don't have any information about it....rather than misguiding customers.
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Don't think it comes in black!!
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lbaquerizo said:
Where can I purchase the developer edition 64 gb in black
HTC one X+ Elegancia V6.0
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Theoretically there isn't Dev version in Black.
Sultan of Speed said:
No. I didn't mean you guich. You were, after all, guided (or misguided) by HTC.
I meant it for those HTC reps who were untrained in this matter. What now angers me is that the those reps could've said we aren't trained or don't have any information about it....rather than misguiding customers.
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HTC is a basta** OEM
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Theoretically there isn't Dev version in Black.
HTC is a basta** OEM
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Yeah....Bastard...yes. But still love their ****in' phones! They make awesome phones! And this One is the beauty with the beast within.
Could someone please explain the consequences of having a locked BL? Especially wrt to the Moto X? Also, what is this SS that everyone keeps talking about?
TIA
I've been in your situation before and couldn't find help or answers, phone makers sign there software with a signature when it boots so when the phone loads it looks for that signature and won't load unless the os had that signature. When your boatloader is locked it means you can't install custom roms or fully root your phone, people have to find an exploit to root it, like case's rockmymoto exploit. SS is safe strap and it is a workaround for installing custom roms on a locked boatloader phone.
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charlie-n said:
I've been in your situation before and couldn't find help or answers, phone makers sign there software with a signature when it boots so when the phone loads it looks for that signature and won't load unless the os had that signature. When your boatloader is locked it means you can't install custom roms or fully root your phone, people have to find an exploit to root it, like case's rockmymoto exploit. SS is safe strap and it is a workaround for installing custom roms on a locked boatloader phone.
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So basically then, something like the AT&T moto x can be rooted by using the rockmymoto exploit, but custom ROMs have to be made specifically to support SS?
Seeing as how I dont think development for the Moto X isnt going to take off on a major scale (like, say the Nexus), it would make no difference having a locked or unlocked BL, am I right?
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So basically then, something like the AT&T moto x can be rooted by using the rockmymoto exploit, but custom ROMs have to be made specifically to support SS?
Seeing as how I dont think development for the Moto X isnt going to take off on a major scale (like, say the Nexus), it would make no difference having a locked or unlocked BL, am I right?
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well there are several roms out there for unlocked BL currently. The reason to have a unlocked BL: if you want to flash roms a lot, if you want to make sure that you always can have root (sometimes exploits for a FW won't come out), and if you want complete control over your phone.
Much less dev will be done for SS roms because people are finding it difficult to build them I believe. I only use SS to keep root and take newer otas, or run roms like eclipse that are based off of stock FW, then just trimmed down with added features and lots more.
If you have the money, having an unlocked BL is nice because you don't need exploits for roots and other things. I would go with one if money wasn't an issue purely for that fact. Not sure how they are getting OTAs right now, but sometimes unlocked BLs also get OTAs quicker than locked BLs. And they can always flash the OTA if there is a leak. You can also always downgrade your device to a different FW if you want with an unlocked BL.
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well there are several roms out there for unlocked BL currently. The reason to have a unlocked BL: if you want to flash roms a lot, if you want to make sure that you always can have root (sometimes exploits for a FW won't come out), and if you want complete control over your phone.
Much less dev will be done for SS roms because people are finding it difficult to build them I believe. I only use SS to keep root and take newer otas, or run roms like eclipse that are based off of stock FW, then just trimmed down with added features and lots more.
If you have the money, having an unlocked BL is nice because you don't need exploits for roots and other things. I would go with one if money wasn't an issue purely for that fact. Not sure how they are getting OTAs right now, but sometimes unlocked BLs also get OTAs quicker than locked BLs. And they can always flash the OTA if there is a leak. You can also always downgrade your device to a different FW if you want with an unlocked BL.
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Money isnt the issue here. The thing is the Moto X isnt available in my country, but someone is selling their AT&T moto on local ebay. I jumped ship from using android for so many years to an iPhone 5 (my current phone) because I just wanted a phone I could use. Kinda grew tired of flashing ROMS and kernels all the time. The Moto X hits the sweet spot with the perfect size and stutter free operation. To me, this is the perfect android phone. All I need is root and a custom launcher. That is available for the AT&T phones I believe? And as you said, ECLIPSE is available for me to flash if I feel like.
Other than that, apps like lightflow and others dont differentiate b/w locked and unlocked BLs, do they?
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Could someone please explain the consequences of having a locked BL? Especially wrt to the Moto X? Also, what is this SS that everyone keeps talking about?
TIA
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Straight from the man himself in regards to SafeStrap.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/104161-recovery-locked-safestrap-recovery-v365-2013-11-13/
Any locked BL users care to give their 0.02 about life with a locked BL? :silly:
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Money isnt the issue here. The thing is the Moto X isnt available in my country, but someone is selling their AT&T moto on local ebay. I jumped ship from using android for so many years to an iPhone 5 (my current phone) because I just wanted a phone I could use. Kinda grew tired of flashing ROMS and kernels all the time. The Moto X hits the sweet spot with the perfect size and stutter free operation. To me, this is the perfect android phone. All I need is root and a custom launcher. That is available for the AT&T phones I believe? And as you said, ECLIPSE is available for me to flash if I feel like.
Other than that, apps like lightflow and others dont differentiate b/w locked and unlocked BLs, do they?
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before you pull the trigger make sure the phone will work in your area. IDK about all of the other country phone stuff, but I have seen people posting about what lte bands and radios each different model of the moto x can support. Also, some models you can flash other carriers FW on them, some you can't. And if you buy some models with for some carriers, you can unlock the BL then move it to ATT or whatever service you are using. Like i said, IDK about all of that so that will take some reading and investigating on your part.
I also don't know about lightflow, but basically once you have root, all rooted apps should be able to do what they do. I personally know of nothing that requires an unlocked BL to work (besides flashing roms, kernals, radios, or other stuff). Just root. I'm assuming lightflow is like any other app that requires root. Don't believe any app should ever be changing anything to your bootloader (besides exploits that come in the form of an app).
Im on a lock BL fyi. Had the money for the dev but once root came out for the phone, I decided to go with subsidized. All I wanted was root. And it seems kitkat will have a root exploit made by jcase so im not worried about the future either.
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before you pull the trigger make sure the phone will work in your area. IDK about all of the other country phone stuff, but I have seen people posting about what lte bands and radios each different model of the moto x can support. Also, some models you can flash other carriers FW on them, some you can't. And if you buy some models with for some carriers, you can unlock the BL then move it to ATT or whatever service you are using. Like i said, IDK about all of that so that will take some reading and investigating on your part.
I also don't know about lightflow, but basically once you have root, all rooted apps should be able to do what they do. I personally know of nothing that requires an unlocked BL to work (besides flashing roms, kernals, radios, or other stuff). Just root. I'm assuming lightflow is like any other app that requires root. Don't believe any app should ever be changing anything to your bootloader (besides exploits that come in the form of an app).
I'm on a lock BL fyi. Had the money for the dev but once root came out for the phone, I decided to go with subsidized. All I wanted was root. And it seems kitkat will have a root exploit made by jcase so im not worried about the future either.
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Lol, it just occurred to me I wouldn't need lightflow on the MotoX, it doesn't have a notification light
Either way, even if I do have an unlocked BL, flashing AOSP is out of the question as I wouldnt want to miss out on Active Notifs and always listening G Now. Stock ROM with a few tweaks is all I need.
Under ideal situations (read global release of perhaps the best android phone to date), I wouldn't be in this predicament.
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Im on a lock BL fyi. Had the money for the dev but once root came out for the phone, I decided to go with subsidized. All I wanted was root. And it seems kitkat will have a root exploit made by jcase so im not worried about the future either.
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May I take the liberty of asking which phones have you used before? I have read a few threads and the general consensus is that this phone is smoother than the 'so-called' flagships like the GS4 and the One. Would you happen to agree? As I said before, I just need a phone that works without lag. I am not a heavy user by any means. Texting, whatsapp and a few occasional games like the Clash of Clans. The GPU is quite capable from what I have heard
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May I take the liberty of asking which phones have you used before? I have read a few threads and the general consensus is that this phone is smoother than the 'so-called' flagships like the GS4 and the One. Would you happen to agree? As I said before, I just need a phone that works without lag. I am not a heavy user by any means. Texting, whatsapp and a few occasional games like the Clash of Clans. The GPU is quite capable from what I have heard
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ya the phone is just as quick if not quicker than those flagship phones. while its hardware is not "superior" the code behind everything and the processors set up how they are make it just as snappy as those other phones. I never owned either of the two you described but I have played with them all for enough time. You won't be disappointed with the phone at all. A lot of people think it is the best android phone generally that has been released. I;'m in that boat. Closes equivalent to an apple product (flow , feel, etc) that I have used. Those other phones are great as well. Id go htc one over sg4. I was about to buy those phones but then held out to see when/if the moto x was going to be released. Glad I did. went with this phone over those. The size of the phone is perfect for me. I don't like huge screens that barely fit in my pcoket. Battery life is solid (i dont use this things for 6 hours a day like others, not sure how they generate an income ha). the features are amazing and change how you use your phone. Truely the first phone I have seen that released some cool features that were extremely useful and not just eye candy. Google backing moto is a big plus too, you know that if anyone is going to get good treatment, it will at least have to be moto. take the plunge, no chance you will regret it.
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ya the phone is just as quick if not quicker than those flagship phones. while its hardware is not "superior" the code behind everything and the processors set up how they are make it just as snappy as those other phones. I never owned either of the two you described but I have played with them all for enough time. You won't be disappointed with the phone at all. A lot of people think it is the best android phone generally that has been released. I;'m in that boat. Closes equivalent to an apple product (flow , feel, etc) that I have used. Those other phones are great as well. Id go htc one over sg4. I was about to buy those phones but then held out to see when/if the moto x was going to be released. Glad I did. went with this phone over those. The size of the phone is perfect for me. I don't like huge screens that barely fit in my pcoket. Battery life is solid (i dont use this things for 6 hours a day like others, not sure how they generate an income ha). the features are amazing and change how you use your phone. Truely the first phone I have seen that released some cool features that were extremely useful and not just eye candy. Google backing moto is a big plus too, you know that if anyone is going to get good treatment, it will at least have to be moto. take the plunge, no chance you will regret it.
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Thank you so much for taking the time to help me out. Moto X, here I come :highfive:
Well... we are really grateful for this new Motorola been so attentive with us in order to provide the Kit Kat as fast as a Nexus device. But...
... as I'm reading about 4.4.1 and 4.4.2, these updates are major bug hunters, and not only a camera fix as "Google" says.
So, are Motorola working to implement this minor for us? Does anyone have an idea about it or can ask to Moto Care if there is any attempt from Moto about it?
The help desk from Moto here in Brazil is one step behind from US one cause we are partially receiving 4.4 by these days, so if 4.4 is something new to then to handle, imagine 4.4.2.
I made some research on news but unsuccessful.
This is likely why most other companies don't rush to release a new version of Android. They will go through all the effort of packaging, testing and releasing only to be screwed by Google a week later with a new update. I doubt the carriers like it either, as they like to test stuff.
Once something has been out for a bit and the major bugs are dealt with then it would be much easier to release. This is a bit of a flaw in how Google's android model works.
It would be much more ideal for Motorola to have adopted the Apple model where they release a new build and don't really care much what the carrier thinks.
I am sure someone at Motorola is already working with 4.4.2 but considering the number of carriers that don't have 4.4 yet it is hard to say what they will do. Maybe they will hold off on them and switch to a 4.4.2 build for the ones who haven't received 4.4 yet.
To keep up with the new android releases, the bloatware some carriers insist upon, builds for the different hardware models and then a huge number of different carriers must be quite the fun project to manage.
I heard that the 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 updates only had fixes for the nexuses devices and wont be pushed to any other kit kat devices
Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs. They "almost" squashed flash. It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall. They are trying to stop root. They are trying to stop 3rd party battery analysis apps.... Etc... Etc. Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
Anyway.... My point is... 4.4 is awful. Let's hope they do a better job with 5.0. And they stop leaning toward the apple philosophy of not letting people "play" with their phones.
Every device section I follow has threads about kit kat... And when will they get it. Then when they do, theirs tonnes of negative threads about it.
4.2.2.....the last best version. At this point.
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I'll add.... The carriers play a big part in these shenanigans I'm sure.
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I heard that the 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 updates only had fixes for the nexuses devices and wont be pushed to any other kit kat devices
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Not really... 4.4.1 was a big update regarding KitKat performance and bugfixes...
You can check the commits to see that they've changed A LOT of stuff in Android framework...
We definitely MUST have the 4.4.2 update... 4.4 is a bit laggy... 4.2.2 was much more stable...
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Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs. They "almost" squashed flash. It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall. They are trying to stop root. They are trying to stop 3rd party battery analysis apps.... Etc... Etc. Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
Anyway.... My point is... 4.4 is awful. Let's hope they do a better job with 5.0. And they stop leaning toward the apple philosophy of not letting people "play" with their phones.
Every device section I follow has threads about kit kat... And when will they get it. Then when they do, theirs tonnes of negative threads about it.
4.2.2.....the last best version. At this point.
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I think your science is off. SSDD when it comes to Android releases. Same exact posts sprouted up when Gingerbread was released...
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And to each their own.
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Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs. They "almost" squashed flash. It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall. They are trying to stop root. They are trying to stop 3rd party battery analysis apps.... Etc... Etc. Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
Anyway.... My point is... 4.4 is awful. Let's hope they do a better job with 5.0. And they stop leaning toward the apple philosophy of not letting people "play" with their phones.
Every device section I follow has threads about kit kat... And when will they get it. Then when they do, theirs tonnes of negative threads about it.
4.2.2.....the last best version. At this point.
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Buy a Developer edition so you have a unlocked boot loader. If you buy retail expect it to be locked down and lucky if a exploit is found.
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Buy a Developer edition so you have a unlocked boot loader. If you buy retail expect it to be locked down and lucky if a exploit is found.
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I have the Rogers version... I'm all unlocked.
I was talking about devices in general. Google and the carriers are making it tough on people to unlock... Root... Etc.... On many devices.
I have zero problems with my Moto X. I was knocking 4.4 and the direction Android in general seems to be heading.
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There is a reason that Google, manufacturers and carriers are making devices more and more secure. There is demand for it. People don't want insecure devices that someone can randomly access. Or, the want a secure phone that is good for both personal and business use. While you say it's bad, it isn't. I'm not sure why you think a secure device is a bad thing, or why you expect the initial software release to be bug free. I don't think there has been an Android release yet that hasn't seen a few quick incremental updates just after initial release to fix bugs.
Also, 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 are more than just "Nexus updates". Sure, the updates mainly apply to Nexus phones because they're the only ones running 4.4.0 really, other than the Moto X. There is a lot of stuff fixed that will apply to all devices running the software, not just Nexus phones.
The HTC One GPE 4.4.2 rollout is in progress, so it's definitely coming to non-Nexus phones.
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There is a reason that Google, manufacturers and carriers are making devices more and more secure. There is demand for it. People don't want insecure devices that someone can randomly access. Or, the want a secure phone that is good for both personal and business use.
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To add to that, Google also has an obligation to fix root exploits (and they are exploits on locked devices; Nexus devices will always be developer devices at heart) now that they offer TV Shows and Movies in the Play Store. Some app developers (game developers usually) also had to implement nasty DRM because of pirating, which sucks because a lot of games have to "check-in" to verify the license; so, if you don't have internet at the time of check-in, you don't get to play. The more Google can control on MAINSTREAM devices, the better for their long term contracts with studios (music, movies, television) and publishers (magazines, books).
I used to NEED root, but the Moto X actually changed my mind about that.
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It would be much more ideal for Motorola to have adopted the Apple model where they release a new build and don't really care much what the carrier thinks.
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No, it wouldn't have because no other mobile OEM in the world has the kind of sway with carriers that Apple has. Apple blew open the mobile industry. Don't forget that. As much as I love android, those are the facts. Sure, I'd love for that to change sooner rather than later. You can see small battles over this happening all the time. N7 2013 has the chips for VZW LTE bands. VZW suddenly decided not to activate N7s on their network. A customer would essentially have to nag and harass VZW to get it activated. Or, you could take an already activated LTE VZW sim and just pop it in.
There are many battles being waged that you may not be aware of. It's unlikely someone will win the war soon. But join the battle by voting with your wallet.
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Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs. They "almost" squashed flash. It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall. They are trying to stop root. They are trying to stop 3rd party battery analysis apps.... Etc... Etc. Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
Anyway.... My point is... 4.4 is awful. Let's hope they do a better job with 5.0. And they stop leaning toward the apple philosophy of not letting people "play" with their phones.
Every device section I follow has threads about kit kat... And when will they get it. Then when they do, theirs tonnes of negative threads about it.
4.2.2.....the last best version. At this point.
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This is simply not true. Following the history of previous Android release, the .0 release always came with a lot of small bugs. Otherwise, there won't be any subsequent point releases. For example, 4.2 was released on 11/13/2012, just 14 days later, there was a 4.2.1 release.
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No, it wouldn't have because no other mobile OEM in the world has the kind of sway with carriers that Apple has. Apple blew open the mobile industry. Don't forget that. As much as I love android, those are the facts. Sure, I'd love for that to change sooner rather than later. You can see small battles over this happening all the time. N7 2013 has the chips for VZW LTE bands. VZW suddenly decided not to activate N7s on their network. A customer would essentially have to nag and harass VZW to get it activated. Or, you could take an already activated LTE VZW sim and just pop it in.
There are many battles being waged that you may not be aware of. It's unlikely someone will win the war soon. But join the battle by voting with your wallet.
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I never said it was realistic, but I would prefer it if it were possible. My carrier doesn't even sell the Moto X, I had to buy one from another carrier and unlock it. No developer edition or motomaker in Canada either.
We certainly don't want to turn this thread towards apple but I'm pleased to say I am 100% apple free and also 100% cellphone contract free.
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... I'm pleased to say I am 100% apple free and also 100% cellphone contract free.
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Nice! I'm working on it: I suspended my VZW accounts, trying out tmo prepaid. I can't lie though, I'm very interested in seeing the effects of the bandwidth improvements vz made in my area. Another local xda user posted a speedtest screen that was 3x the performance of vz at it's peak. Maybe I'll borrow a sim from a friend...
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I never said it was realistic, but I would prefer it if it were possible. My carrier doesn't even sell the Moto X, I had to buy one from another carrier and unlock it. No developer edition or motomaker in Canada either.
We certainly don't want to turn this thread towards apple but I'm pleased to say I am 100% apple free and also 100% cellphone contract free.
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That's exactly what I did. Wanted to replace my s2...and buy a phone outright and say goodbye to contacts. I'm on telus. Did a tonne of reading, reviews and articles and XDA of course. Was between the G2, HTC one and the moto x. Decided on the X. And couldn't be happier.
For the Rogers version, unlocked sim, then boot loader... And rooted. The phone blows me away.
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Jason.DROID said:
I used to NEED root, but the Moto X actually changed my mind about that.
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Quoted for truth.
It'd mind blowing to me... I have no interest in rooting. For the first time... Ever.
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HTC one Google play edition just got 4.4.2. http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...rs/ShsH+(xda-developers)&utm_content=FaceBook
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This is just stupid:
kj2112 said:
Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs.
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You read about a lot of bugs everywhere.
They "almost" squashed flash.
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Gosh, imagine that, an incompatible and unsupported app doesn't work. Bad Google, bad! You should be designing your OS to work with random unsupported apps that are no longer in development!
It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall.
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You recall wrong.
They are trying to stop root.
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You know that rooting on non-dev phones is executing a security exploit, right? That it's a vulnerability in the phone? That leaving it open would actually be the worst thing to do?
Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
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Everything about your "scientific analysis" is wrong. Go back to the drawing board.
Hello all,
I am looking to pick up a Moto X (xt1095) to replace my xt1053. I am a little dismayed however at the lack of availability of roms for the device.
I am used to having CM or Slim or at least gravitybox running, and it looks like none of these are working yet for this phone. Is this simply because of the recent release of Lollipop and the scarcity of the Moto X or is there some underlying problem?
Basically, is there hope for the future?
Probably has more to do with most devs not touching Moto because of how developer hostile they were years ago. Also I suspect most are waiting to see if the Lenovo takeover pushes moto into a more "old moto" stance on devs again.
I was wondering the same, the phone has so much potential, why no development at all?
Thanks for the responses. I was hoping I suppose to at least see CM and some other mainstream developers already onboard, but I guess it's just because 3rd party devs haven't built around lollipop yet.
Same problem with Xposed.
Pan Skrzetuski said:
Hello all,
I am looking to pick up a Moto X (xt1095) to replace my xt1053. I am a little dismayed however at the lack of availability of roms for the device.
I am used to having CM or Slim or at least gravitybox running, and it looks like none of these are working yet for this phone. Is this simply because of the recent release of Lollipop and the scarcity of the Moto X or is there some underlying problem?
Basically, is there hope for the future?
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Chris123NT said:
Probably has more to do with most devs not touching Moto because of how developer hostile they were years ago. Also I suspect most are waiting to see if the Lenovo takeover pushes moto into a more "old moto" stance on devs again.
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There's a short thread in the General section with a developer looking for some files so he can start to build CM11 and 12. Several days old.
I got my pure edition on the way, and I also noticed the lack of ROMs. - I currently have an N5, my girlfriend really likes it so I'm going to give it to her for Christmas, was not really looking to upgrade, but oh well.
I really do hope the scene for this phone picks up a bit, otherwise I might just sell it and go back to N5... Unless the phone is so amazing that it will keep me from the ROM scene, but I don't know... I'm a flashaholic.
On the same subject - My friend got the same phone, but he mentioned needing to contact Motorola to get a bootloader unlock code so he could root it, is that a necessary step, or can that be avoided?
I understand the above step voids warranty, could also be why people are staying away from cooking ROMs for this.
Shemploo said:
I got my pure edition on the way, and I also noticed the lack of ROMs. - I currently have an N5, my girlfriend really likes it so I'm going to give it to her for Christmas, was not really looking to upgrade, but oh well.
I really do hope the scene for this phone picks up a bit, otherwise I might just sell it and go back to N5... Unless the phone is so amazing that it will keep me from the ROM scene, but I don't know... I'm a flashaholic.
On the same subject - My friend got the same phone, but he mentioned needing to contact Motorola to get a bootloader unlock code so he could root it, is that a necessary step, or can that be avoided?
I understand the above step voids warranty, could also be why people are staying away from cooking ROMs for this.
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You just have to go to their website( https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a ) and follow their instructions to unlock their phone.. Contacting them is not necessary. Voiding the warranty has been the case for multiple phones, however it hasn't stopped devs before.. Doubt that is the case
I bought the pure edition yesterday, I did my research and figured it would be better than a nexus 6 (way to big for me) and bought it. I assumed there was plenty of Dev work, I mean its a near stock phone and will likely outsell the nexus 6, but there's not even an official build of CM!!! Even the gnex is getting cm12. I just don't understand it. Z
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I bought the pure edition yesterday, I did my research and figured it would be better than a nexus 6 (way to big for me) and bought it. I assumed there was plenty of Dev work, I mean its a near stock phone and will likely outsell the nexus 6, but there's not even an official build of CM!!! Even the gnex is getting cm12. I just don't understand it. Z
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That's funny cause CM is my least favorite of ROMs, they always seem to break things when they make changes, and ROMs based on CM are always left in the dark trying to catch up, fix whatever broke as result.
If there's not much being developed for this, I suppose I'd probably go back to 4.4 and work around it with xposed.
I think more development will come in time but I think most are waiting for stable 5.0 first. I look forward to gravitybox but personally I have never been as happy on any rom as I am AOSP(ish) and don't see the need with a phone like this to install any roms. It was more necessary back "in the day" to get rid of crapware and overbloated UI's (*cough* Touchwiz *cough*). Phones like the Nexus series, GPE editions, and the Moto X's have made me personally re-evaluate my interest in full ROM's.
If you guys were around when the original Moto x came out, then you'd remember that it also had a lack of roms and dev action when it launched... However now it's getting cm 12 like no one's business... I think it's just a matter of time before the roms start rolling in
Appears this is where we come to an end with development and rooting. All other g4s have been Rooted on Android m. We just don't have any love for this device. Appears we all messed up when we chose sprint as our carrier. Argh!
Wat, who are you? What makes you think you can make that call? There are people that spent countless hours making ROMs and Developing for the Sprint LG G4 and you think you have the final say?
Quoting what you said just in case you edit you post: "Appears this is where we come to an end with development and rooting. All other g4s have been Rooted on Android m. We just don't have any love for this device. Appears we all messed up when we chose sprint as our carrier. Argh!" with screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/DxsEmvG.png
Not the right way to think, just wait. Have you contributed in anyway to the Sprint LG G4 here on XDA? I sure have with my free hotspot bug (patched on Android M).
I highly doubt Verizon G4 is rooted on m.
In fact I don't think they even have Marshmallow update yet.
what is so appealing in Marshmallow to make one want to upgrade urgently? If you have stable L with root and xposed, why not staying with it. I do not think there is Xposed for M anyways yet, which is the main reason to root this phone.
I am with you. This phone is the most disappointing tech purchase in all my years of existence. I love the camera and removable battery but this phone is just crap and doesn't get much dev love. I beat if the bootloader got unlocked and I can load a true rom on it this phone would be great. I think most of the problems is LG's crappy modifications to android. Every time it get slow, unresponsive, the touch screen lags behind, or a stupid Sprint notification advertisement pops up I want to chuck it against a wall and then jump off a cliff.
I am just using this as a rude awakening to the future. This will most likely be one of the last phones that isn't sealed tight. Guess I need to carry around a clunky battery pack with cable dangling from my pockets instead of a small quick batter swap. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader will become ever more difficult with upcoming phones. The glory days are over I feel
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I am with you. This phone is the most disappointing tech purchase in all my years of existence. I love the camera and removable battery but this phone is just crap and doesn't get much dev love. I beat if the bootloader got unlocked and I can load a true rom on it this phone would be great. I think most of the problems is LG's crappy modifications to android. Every time it get slow, unresponsive, the touch screen lags behind, or a stupid Sprint notification advertisement pops up I want to chuck it against a wall and then jump off a cliff.
I am just using this as a rude awakening to the future. This will most likely be one of the last phones that isn't sealed tight. Guess I need to carry around a clunky battery pack with cable dangling from my pockets instead of a small quick batter swap. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader will become ever more difficult with upcoming phones. The glory days are over I feel
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I disabled and uninstalled everything I could with sprint software. Haven't had any of their pop ups in months. It seems you bought a phone in one of the bad batches with your lagging screen.
I hate their UI though...
One of the best phones I've had in terms of specs etc. Would be something if I could run CM13 on this one day..
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I don't have Android M on my phone yet....
...so maybe I can keep my hopes up. Sprint didn't give me Marshmallow on my phone. I'm not begging for it either. From what I'm gathering here, you're all good if you're on Lollipop (5.1) Right?
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I disabled and uninstalled everything I could with sprint software. Haven't had any of their pop ups in months. It seems you bought a phone in one of the bad batches with your lagging screen.
I hate their UI though...
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Yep I had a bad batch phone and it was before Sprint admitted the problem so I sent it to LG. LG fixed my phone but did not replace it. That is probably the big problem. Now I have a phone that is only having lagging problems and since that is subjective and random so not easily repeatable I am screwed.
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...so maybe I can keep my hopes up. Sprint didn't give me Marshmallow on my phone. I'm not begging for it either. From what I'm gathering here, you're all good if you're on Lollipop (5.1) Right?
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We do have Marshmallow, but the OTA is taking reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally long.
I just got the notification a few minutes ago for the update. I'm from Michigan and figured I was one of the last places to get it but I guess not. Newho, I've read that there's gonna be more dev work on our g4 but they were waiting for Android m to come out before they focused their energy to cracking the bootloader. Stay patient as the carriers are getting wise to what our devs have been doing and they try to seal up the phone to keep us out. But when there's a will there's a way and it will happen eventually.
Well I'm hoping for ultrapop marshmallow, lol. The phone stock was fine and ultrapop was perfect for me. Would be nice to have cm in this phone but ultrapop was all I really need.
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esloudan said:
Well I'm hoping for ultrapop marshmallow, lol. The phone stock was fine and ultrapop was perfect for me. Would be nice to have cm in this phone but ultrapop was all I really need.
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Don't think that's gonna happen, as MM security is the reason we don't even have systemless root yet. UltraPop relies on changing the system partition, which the Lollipop boot sequence isn't as strong. in MM as soon as the system partition is changed, it causes hashes and whatnot to change, the boot sequence detects the changes and doesn't allow the phone to boot. I think we'll need an unlocked bootloader for UP-type "pseudo-roms"
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Don't think that's gonna happen, as MM security is the reason we don't even have systemless root yet. UltraPop relies on changing the system partition, which the Lollipop boot sequence isn't as strong. in MM as soon as the system partition is changed, it causes hashes and whatnot to change, the boot sequence detects the changes and doesn't allow the phone to boot. I think we'll need an unlocked bootloader for UP-type "pseudo-roms"
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Exactly. I was able to work-around the system partition in ZV6 because LG security only checked for certain files were present. In ZV8, there is LG security checksum for the whole system partition. Since we have a locked bootloader, we can't modify Kernel without tripping the boot security. I am still going to try to get a modified stock ROM working, or maybe mix of ZV6/ZV8, but have not had much time lately.
Roms for our phone? please tell me where roms are at for our phone. i only see 1. that is still stock. ultrapop
Go to the Sprint Fun and Games app and hit the menu button, then settings, then deselect the box Atuomatically install Zone / Fun & Game updates and the notifications boxes. Super disappointed in Sprint for having this.
centran said:
I am with you. This phone is the most disappointing tech purchase in all my years of existence. I love the camera and removable battery but this phone is just crap and doesn't get much dev love. I beat if the bootloader got unlocked and I can load a true rom on it this phone would be great. I think most of the problems is LG's crappy modifications to android. Every time it get slow, unresponsive, the touch screen lags behind, or a stupid Sprint notification advertisement pops up I want to chuck it against a wall and then jump off a cliff.
I am just using this as a rude awakening to the future. This will most likely be one of the last phones that isn't sealed tight. Guess I need to carry around a clunky battery pack with cable dangling from my pockets instead of a small quick batter swap. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader will become ever more difficult with upcoming phones. The glory days are over I feel
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This phone has plenty of "dev love". Some of the best developers are trying their hand at it. There's a huge bounty for unlocking the bootloader, and plenty of people trying to earn it.
The problem is, until one of them (or the part timers like me) stumble across something that works, we're in a holding pattern. We have something stable that works in Android L with root and xposed framework, and until the bootloader issue is solved, that will have to do.
Be patient, OR hit the general Android development section and LEARN. Do it yourself. Grab the bounty. There's plenty of us doing what we can, even as far as hard bricking our devices and getting them replaced by trying methods that work for other devices. I myself am on my second LS991 from trying a method that worked on the kindle fire where you get into fastboot by nuking laf and still haven't had any luck getting a patched bootloader to stick.
So cool off and have some patience. Some people haven't even had the official OTA roll out to their area yet and you're crying that you don't have rooted M? Grow up.
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This phone has plenty of "dev love". Some of the best developers are trying their hand at it. There's a huge bounty for unlocking the bootloader, and plenty of people trying to earn it.
The problem is, until one of them (or the part timers like me) stumble across something that works, we're in a holding pattern. We have something stable that works in Android L with root and xposed framework, and until the bootloader issue is solved, that will have to do.
Be patient, OR hit the general Android development section and LEARN. Do it yourself. Grab the bounty. There's plenty of us doing what we can, even as far as hard bricking our devices and getting them replaced by trying methods that work for other devices. I myself am on my second LS991 from trying a method that worked on the kindle fire where you get into fastboot by nuking laf and still haven't had any luck getting a patched bootloader to stick.
So cool off and have some patience. Some people haven't even had the official OTA roll out to their area yet and you're crying that you don't have rooted M? Grow up.
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LG will not be unlocking any other G4's except the Euro H815.
Hello,
Thank you for your interest in LG mobile devices.
Currently, you can only unlock bootloader for LG G4 for the European market with model number H815.
And we have no plan to support bootloader unlocking for H815T.
If there are any changes to the supported devices, we will let you know via our website.
Thank you.
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LG will not be unlocking any other G4's except the Euro H815.
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And? That doesn't mean they can't be unlocked by other means. It just means LG will not be providing the binary file for oem-unlock via fastboot. Some of us have already gotten limited fastboot access by willingly destroying the laf partition and using a serial USB connection. Right now I'm working on trying to figure out how to get access to other fastboot commands not available in this limited mode, then it's just a matter of creating a reliable semi-automated process so it's accessible to less technical users, and if no one beats me to it; collecting the bounty on a reliable bootloader unlock and ability to flash recovery and make it stick. (Which, to be absolutely honest ... Though I'm not working with anyone else, I would not have gotten *anywhere* without ideas others have bounced around on these forums that helped me make progress when stuck, so I will contact each of them privately to divide half of the bounty between them if I am first to be able to collect it)