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I like customization, but sometimes it's just stupid

You have to ask why, what is the reason behind the customizations you do. Customization for customization sake is just not going to work.
For me, I customize to make my phone easier to use and better looking, that's all. if a customization doesn't serve neither of these purloses, I'm not gonna do it no matter how cool it may seem.
But sometimes it seems to me people just "customize" to be "cool", "unconventional", "unique", "style" or whatever other phsycological satisfactions people get from it.
This time I'm not gonna get into the crappy themes, cuz people will jsut claim it's their personal opinion to like the ****ty themes.
Let's take a look at this mod:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1692233
it's an audio "enhancement" mod that supposidly "improves" your audio.
Features:
-System Wide What I can't turn it off if it sucks?
-Maximum Audio Re-sampling (Re-Sampling sound to 48kHz!) Why in the love of ****, would you resample it to 48Khz? anyone who knows ANYTHING about sound quality in digital audio, knows not to resample into a simillar sample rate. You know you might get minor improvements if you upsample it to 88.2Khz or even 96khz. But 48Khz? it's not gonna do anything but vastly decrease sound quality
-DPS Manager V3
-AudioFX DSP Widget [Removed in AOSP/AOKP]
-Massively Improved overall sound How? where? highs lows mids? soundstage? clarity? positioning? warmth? coloring?
-Improved Beats Audio Effect again, how?
-Louder, Clearer vocals in the background ok fair enough, but what headphones are you using? please don't tell me it's Beats
-100% FULLY ACTIVATED ALSA MODULES AND DRIVERS! (SPECIFICALLY COMPILED FOR TLV320AIC3008) (TEGRA 3 ONE X ONLY) I don't know man, it just seems to me that the stock roms from any phone don't have ANY driver working, they always require a mod
-Sony xLOUD Engine you mean that dynamic range compressor that DECREASES sound quality?
-Powerful, Louder Bass (MegaBass)
-More Powerful Drums It just seems to me that every false audio quality advertising focuses on bass and drums. from cheap headphones to crap audio players
-Walkman Sound Enhancement Features: ClearBass, ClearVoice, Clear Audio, Hearing Protection, VPT Wrapper yea let's stack as many effects as possible ontop of the origional audio. it's gonna vastly "improve" my audio!
-Walkman Music Player
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Any audiophil knows that in the world of HiFi, Beats doesn't mean ****. nobody uses Beats headphones. People who care about audio quality more than anyone else use AKG, Sennhaiser, Ultimate Ears, Deon excetera excetera, even Bose is more prestigious than Beats.
So, if you know that, "Beats Audio" isn't cool at all.
Clearly, this mod is probably not going to increase your overall audio quality. In fact it will do more harm than good because of the resampling.
People somehow always want to believe that the professionals suck, somehow all the programmers working for HTC are assholes they either don't know how to or don't want to make your sound drivers work. So somehow we require a mod to "fix" it.
There is also a belief that somwhow all the audio mixing engineers and studios are filled with idiots and retards who don't know how to mix songs properly. Therefore somehow we need to add in equalizers, compressors, filters, 3D effects, crossfeeding, SRS audio, doulby audio, beats audio all at the same time to make them sound "better".
yea, I don't think so.
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And there is the "Sony Mobile Bravia Engine" which people also feel like intergrading into their ROMs and making mods to add this feature to your phone.
This one is really simillar to beats audio. Anyone who knows about display quality knows this is just an advertising tool, it's not gonna imrpove your audio quality in any way. The only way to improve on the software level, is to make a display calibration and make sure you're following stricktly with the sRGB standard.
Any software that deviates from that, will not improve but decrease your image quality, PERIOD.
so Bravia has two choices here, it either does NOTHING, or it DECREASES your image quality. because it's made for ****ty sony TFT TN screeens, it can't be calibrated with whatever non-sony phone you're using.
However there is one exception when image enhancing softwares could potentially work, that is if your image or vidio isn't properly developed. The fix of which isn't to implement a system wide screen filter, it's to fix that particular image! or make your video show up properly by fixing your video player.
so in conclusion, does XDA have a lot of skilled developers? yea you bet. But too bad they don't seem to read up on anything but coding.
Do people in XDA like customizing? same answer. But they don't seem to know why they're customizing their phones.

Don't know much about audio and I mainly just use stock settings and players so I can't comment on that.
Other than that why do you care if others like customising. You don't? congratulations. The basic answer is because people like options. Having options are not a bad thing. people customise because they want to for aesthetics, functionality or both . No point in ranting about it. Why do people like or do anything?
Sent from my HTC EVO 3D X515m using xda premium

hungry81 said:
Don't know much about audio and I mainly just use stock settings and players so I can't comment on that.
Other than that why do you care if others like customising. You don't? congratulations. The basic answer is because people like options. Having options are not a bad thing. people customise because they want to for aesthetics, functionality or both . No point in ranting about it. Why do people like or do anything?
Sent from my HTC EVO 3D X515m using xda premium
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It's wasn't a rant, the man made specific points. And your answer verifies his point about an issue on xda. Modding for the sake of it even if it's detrimental to the user experience.
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jacobgong said:
You have to ask why, what is the reason behind the customizations you do. Customization for customization sake is just not going to work.
For me, I customize to make my phone easier to use and better looking, that's all. if a customization doesn't serve neither of these purloses, I'm not gonna do it no matter how cool it may seem.
But sometimes it seems to me people just "customize" to be "cool", "unconventional", "unique", "style" or whatever other phsycological satisfactions people get from it.
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I'm confused at how you've managed to connect these to that particular mod. The mod itself is meant to improve your phone by making it "better sounding"; its rationale isn't just to be "cool", "unconventional", etc. Even if it doesn't work (I wouldn't know), it's still not "customization for customization's sake".

I don't know a lot of things, but I know that xLoud improves the audio quality (in fact, just make the sound louder, and only works with the speaker). I say that because I have a Sony phone. Also, what you can judge on this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1609868
Say whatever you want, this improves my sound quality a LOT.

Tim Cook? Plan B eh?

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Felimenta97 said:
I don't know a lot of things, but I know that xLoud improves the audio quality (in fact, just make the sound louder, and only works with the speaker). I say that because I have a Sony phone. Also, what you can judge on this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1609868
Say whatever you want, this improves my sound quality a LOT.
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there are physical limits to how loud your speaker can go, and tha cannot be changed by any kind of software. The way to make it louder is to use a compressor, which compresses the dynmaic range of your song. in other words, it makes all the parts that are not on max loudness louder.
This obviously decreases your audio quality, because you want more dynamic range in your audio just like you want 16-bit CD quality audio over the 8-bit NES audio. a compressor won't make your audio 8-bit because it's wayyyy smaller than 16-bit, but it's going in the same direction.
my recommendation for actually getting better sond quality and loudness, is to get a good blutooth speaker. or use some good headphones.

jacobgong said:
there are physical limits to how loud your speaker can go, and tha cannot be changed by any kind of software. The way to make it louder is to use a compressor, which compresses the dynmaic range of your song. in other words, it makes all the parts that are not on max loudness louder.
This obviously decreases your audio quality, because you want more dynamic range in your audio just like you want 16-bit CD quality audio over the 8-bit NES audio. a compressor won't make your audio 8-bit because it's wayyyy smaller than 16-bit, but it's going in the same direction.
my recommendation for actually getting better sond quality and loudness, is to get a good blutooth speaker. or use some good headphones.
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Again, this is for speakers. And I don't see any differences. The sound is really good, and I think 90% of the other Sony users too. Mostly doesn't even know what you know (even some experienced users), so it's good for them.
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Why don't you just 10 and make it louder?
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i used one of the beat mods on my atrix one time and damn did it make it suck worse lol! i rock sennheiser buds and they are awesome, but i tried out like 20 pair of headphones this weekend and i must say klipsch image ones from bestbuy are amazing. when i work off wed im headed back to bestbuy to pick them up while they are on sale :good: i do have to say the dsp manager did make a diff on the atrix though in cm9 i cld tell in my car and on the buds!

TheSkinnyDrummer said:
Why don't you just 10 and make it louder?
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Because it goes to 11. Other threads only go to 10 and this is 1 louder.

063_XOBX said:
Because it goes to 11. Other threads only go to 10 and this is 1 louder.
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Thank you for understanding the reference. I thought it would take longer, especially since I missed a word.
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jacobgong said:
there are physical limits to how loud your speaker can go, and tha cannot be changed by any kind of software. The way to make it louder is to use a compressor, which compresses the dynmaic range of your song. in other words, it makes all the parts that are not on max loudness louder.
This obviously decreases your audio quality, because you want more dynamic range in your audio just like you want 16-bit CD quality audio over the 8-bit NES audio. a compressor won't make your audio 8-bit because it's wayyyy smaller than 16-bit, but it's going in the same direction.
my recommendation for actually getting better sond quality and loudness, is to get a good blutooth speaker. or use some good headphones.
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There are physical limits, yes, but generally manufacturers set the max sound that standard volume will achieve below that so as not to have to worry about the speaker being destroyed or the sound being too distorted. Software tweaks can most definitely make a difference. That's a big part of why a lot of people got Power Amp when it first dropped.

TheSkinnyDrummer said:
Thank you for understanding the reference. I thought it would take longer, especially since I missed a word.
Sent from your mom.
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MissionImprobable said:
There are physical limits, yes, but generally manufacturers set the max sound that standard volume will achieve below that so as not to have to worry about the speaker being destroyed or the sound being too distorted. Software tweaks can most definitely make a difference. That's a big part of why a lot of people got Power Amp when it first dropped.
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yes install a mod that will not only introduce distortions but also has the potential to blow your speaker. that's a great idea.

like apple **** products more then go and buy one and stop whining that android is this and this just because you a single person doesn't like it cause you aren't a special person that when rants and whines everyone must listen and agree with

blazex1 said:
like apple **** products more then go and buy one and stop whining that android is this and this just because you a single person doesn't like it cause you aren't a special person that when rants and whines everyone must listen and agree with
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His reasons are indeed correct. Honestly, who wants a distorted sound quality when they can be the best with stock settings? Being such an audiophile, I highly doubt that most of the people will aware of the decrease in the sound quality, instead of the placebo of the modded 'better' audio mod. It is tuned to be heard better in speakers or headphones (xLoud, Beats boost etc.) for MOST people. So it will (or has it?) becomes a stereotype. Therefore, his rationale is true for me, but false on the majority.
Aaaand, he has the right to rant it out here as long as Archer or other Mods said he could.

blazex1 said:
like apple **** products more then go and buy one and stop whining that android is this and this just because you a single person doesn't like it cause you aren't a special person that when rants and whines everyone must listen and agree with
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you can disagree as much as you like
I can buy apple as much as I want
but it won't change the fact that some of the mods people post here are more placebo than empirically functional.

[Q] Low ear speaker volume?

Hey everyone, I've been pretty happy with my Xperia Z until yesterday when I was out and people called me and I couldn't really hear anything they said as the volume was too low in the earphone.
The earphone was / is clean and dry and I have tried different settings and of course max volume etc but it just seems to be too low?
Anyone had any better success with talking or rather listening to people trying to talk to you in traffic or noisy environments?
Surely Sony's flagship phone must let you actually hear what people say when they are calling you?
EDIT: I actually tried the service menu and the tests are pretty loud and very clear compared to calls... so at least the hardware seems to be ABLE to do it's job...

Solidswede said:
Hey everyone, I've been pretty happy with my Xperia Z until yesterday when I was out and people called me and I couldn't really hear anything they said as the volume was too low in the earphone.
The earphone was / is clean and dry and I have tried different settings and of course max volume etc but it just seems to be too low?
Anyone had any better success with talking or rather listening to people trying to talk to you in traffic or noisy environments?
Surely Sony's flagship phone must let you actually hear what people say when they are calling you?
EDIT: I actually tried the service menu and the tests are pretty loud and very clear compared to calls... so at least the hardware seems to be ABLE to do it's job...
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I find the sound quality from the earpiece terrible. It's not only quiet but very muffled and I can't really hear people on the phone even in quiet environments. I'm going to take the phone back because of this!
SF

Solidswede said:
I actually tried the service menu and the tests are pretty loud and very clear compared to calls...
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confirmed

sound on z not good maybe due of water resistance of the phone

Solidswede said:
Hey everyone, I've been pretty happy with my Xperia Z until yesterday when I was out and people called me and I couldn't really hear anything they said as the volume was too low in the earphone.
The earphone was / is clean and dry and I have tried different settings and of course max volume etc but it just seems to be too low?
Anyone had any better success with talking or rather listening to people trying to talk to you in traffic or noisy environments?
Surely Sony's flagship phone must let you actually hear what people say when they are calling you?
EDIT: I actually tried the service menu and the tests are pretty loud and very clear compared to calls... so at least the hardware seems to be ABLE to do it's job...
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If you haven't yet, try turning off the Speaker voice enhancement under Call settings. That actually improved the in-call sound quality quite a bit for me.

Hacker4748 said:
If you haven't yet, try turning off the Speaker voice enhancement under Call settings. That actually improved the in-call sound quality quite a bit for me.
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Hm mine was off but turned it on now to see differences, will have a go tomorrow. Also there is a EQ for calls there as well that I haven't tried yet. I'm hoping that it's just the firmware that needs some extra push as the service menu proves Z can provide some serious quality in the hardware...

please confirm your problem here , so sony support can see this
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/123279?tstart=0
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

Yes the problem still remains no matter what settings you do... I wonder if a rooted phone with a sound mod might increase the volume on the call side...?

hamud.q said:
please confirm your problem here , so sony support can see this
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/123279?tstart=0
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boomsound volume levels?

Hello everyone got my silver pre order yesterday...does anyone noticed the boomsound is not as loud?
I mean I have the volume all the way up and I was under impression to be a bit more louder am I missing something are there a setting somewhere I can't seem to find it again I tried putting volume all the way up maybe defect anyone?

It should be deafening, if you put it to your ear

So that's what I'm supposed to do?

;p nah to be honest, if it's no blowing you away then it's faulty! It's hard to explain how loud it should be...
pick a song I'll record it for you so you can hear the sound of mine

I agree with the others, it startled me upon the first startup.
This is probably the first phone that I don't have the volume up to 100% all the time. In contrast, I'm using around 30% volume and still feel its loud..
If you don't feel its loud, go replace it

Yep that's EXACTLY what I was saying I mean it's loud but not like in the youtube review videos that I've seen on the Internet where everybody's keeping it below hundred percent I'm at like a hundred percent and not happyit's definitely not blowing me away its loud though but not blowing me away loud

I find it loud for ringtones and notifications but music and video is not louder than SGS3
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Mine is you tube is like any other phone not loud at all

kingrichards said:
Hello everyone got my silver pre order yesterday...does anyone noticed the boomsound is not as loud?
I mean I have the volume all the way up and I was under impression to be a bit more louder am I missing something are there a setting somewhere I can't seem to find it again I tried putting volume all the way up maybe defect anyone?
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Don't compress your mp3 files or video files! Make sure the bitrate is high enough.
I am reading threads that's complaining about how loud the volume is even on the lowest setting yet I find this thread stating that the volume isn't that loud on the highest setting. :/
Kinda contradicting to be honest.

It's honestly too loud.
I was trying to watch a movie last night in bed and it was so loud on 3%!

It all depends on the audio and video files you are playing also. Low quality music is going to sound bad regardless of what device it's playing out of
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Best to turn beats off when in a big room or a loud enviroment when using the speakers.
Beats on is great when I'm at home and it's not too noisy as you can really hear the low end.
But to be honest I usually leave beats off unless I'm using headphones.
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So now it's the files all I'm saying is on videos I saw on YouTube they all have to lower their volume down I'm like at 100% not as blow me away loud just wondering if anyone experiencing the same

I agree with you. Louder wouldn't hurt.

Louder? When im in my room and i have the sound on the lowest setting im still thinking i'll wake everyone up. That thing is really really loud. Im wishing for a setting with even less sound.

Dude I'm definitely not getting that lol it's just loud like any other gs 3 phone lol

kingrichards said:
Dude I'm definitely not getting that lol it's just loud like any other gs 3 phone lol
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So only in youtube it doesn't sound loud?
Did you try the ringtones? Even thou I did not get my phone yet since it will ship Monday, I was testing the AT&T one they had on demo. Just simply playing Ringtone at the lowest setting was quite audible and didn't want to put it up louder since I was the only customer in the store and there was a bunch of employes standing nearby in proximity to where I was.
Probably be safe to say if the ringtones are not loud either, then it could be problem.

wontcachme said:
Louder? When im in my room and i have the sound on the lowest setting im still thinking i'll wake everyone up. That thing is really really loud. Im wishing for a setting with even less sound.
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Don't get me wrong, it's loud. It's loud enough. However while streaming music for instance, if it could go up a notch or 2 more, it would be even better imo.

Ok so here is another question boomsound or no boomsound?.is it me or boom sound off it's louder like a bit?
Anyone agree?

kingrichards said:
Ok so here is another question boomsound or no boomsound?.is it me or boom sound off it's louder like a bit?
Anyone agree?
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Definitely. It's louder with it off, but fuller/richer when it's on.

[Q] Beats audio sound quality question

I'm considering picking up this phone and I've seen quite a few claims that if you disabling Beats will "replace the beats profile with one that reduces audio quality" instead.
Anyone confirm/deny this? If it's true, does it make a large difference? Are there any ways (Custom ROM, kernel, etc..) that fixes this problem?
PLEASE NOTE: I do not want comments on how the beats audio sounds better than anything else - I want comments on if turning it OFF will degrade the sound quality as some people claim.

It sounds better with beats audio but it sounds great with it off as well.
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There's no need to turn it off the quality of audio with beats is amazing!
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bornotty said:
There's no need to turn it off the quality of audio with beats is amazing!
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jdgreat4 said:
It sounds better with beats audio but it sounds great with it off as well.
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Sounds better is subjective. WHY does it sound better? Explain!
With my taste in music I want a "bright" sound with pretty controlled and laid back bass. I do consider myself quite enthusiastic about good sound quality and honestly, afaik Beats sounds, to me, the entire opposite of what I think is good sound quality.
Anyone can explain to me how the sound quality compares to any other phone they've used?

imho, it seems just making the volume louder, but cannot hear much difference... would anyone advise me if there is some kind of settings/ EQ etc? I can't find that... thanks

Timmyfoxeh said:
Sounds better is subjective. WHY does it sound better? Explain!
With my taste in music I want a "bright" sound with pretty controlled and laid back bass. I do consider myself quite enthusiastic about good sound quality and honestly, afaik Beats sounds, to me, the entire opposite of what I think is good sound quality.
Anyone can explain to me how the sound quality compares to any other phone they've used?
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AFAIK Beat is an active equaliser, meaning that it adjusts to the audio input so that the output isn't distorted and sounds as good as it can on a software level, sure you can create sound like this with an EQ, but then you may have to create sound profiles for ever genre rather than just playing it, but for the record it creates better sound quality which is consistent with all music types that i've tried it with. (magic )
Bass is stronger, delivering a crisper yet softer bass as opposed to a punchy crackle which you'll find on other handsets, trebles are fair and i've heard much louder but in terms of actual clarity it's right up there with the best, mid levels are decent too, so if you want a treble sounding phone then this isn't for you, but for everything else and for the whole package this is where it's at.
I'm referring to the sound that the phone itself delivers, if you were to couple this with a decent set of headphones (i got a pair of solo beats for free with my phone from carphone warehouse, i think they've sold out now) the sound is phenomenal, for picking up and playing a song it is second to none, not the galaxy s4 nor any of the other top of the range handsets can compare to it, the reason for this is because HTC has obviously done it's homework for the audio part of the system and used it as a major selling point.
I'm by no means a music enthusiast but i love them and several of my friends who are music enthusiasts (some producers and DJ's) have said that the sound is superb, obviously not as good as a studio but lets not forget that this is a phone that we're talking about here and for what it is it won't be beaten.

dladz said:
AFAIK Beat is an active equaliser
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Yep, thus meaning the sound signature should be rather inconsistent as it changes from song to song, right?
dladz said:
Bass is stronger
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That's exactly what I do not want when using my Sennheiser headphones.
Boosting the bass gives a sound signature I really do not like too much. I want it to be balanced and rather a bit laid back as opposed to strong and, imo, overpowering. Bright and detailed with a wide soundstage is more my cup of tea.
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Can I remind you all that my question isn't about how the beats profile sounds like but just if the sound quality does noticeably degrade (even compared to other phones) when you DISABLE it?

Timmyfoxeh said:
Yep, thus meaning the sound signature should be rather inconsistent as it changes from song to song, right?
That's exactly what I do not want when using my Sennheiser headphones.
Boosting the bass gives a sound signature I really do not like too much. I want it to be balanced and rather a bit laid back as opposed to strong and, imo, overpowering. Bright and detailed with a wide soundstage is more my cup of tea.
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Can I remind you all that my question isn't about how the beats profile sounds like but just if the sound quality does noticeably degrade (even compared to other phones) when you DISABLE it?
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Sounds like your already dead set against it, why don't you go down to a shop with your headphones and try it out, sorry but I'm not going to delve Into how I feel about the sound quality anymore, this thread and your responses are about as predantic as it gets. I tried to give you a detailed explanation and my experience of the sound on top of other people whom I know.
You don't appear to want to hear that so get one and try it for yourself.
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dladz said:
Sounds like your already dead set against it, why don't you go down to a shop with your headphones and try it out, sorry but I'm not going to delve Into how I feel about the sound quality anymore, this thread and your responses are about as predantic as it gets. I tried to give you a detailed explanation and my experience of the sound on top of other people whom I know.
You don't appear to want to hear that so get one and try it for yourself.
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None of these replies have answered my question about it though. so let me rephase:
I've seen several reviews claim that this phone use 2 different profiles for Beats audio;
1. The ON profile which activates the "enhancement"
2. The OFF profile which, rather than just deactivating beats audio, will reduce the sound quality below that of what the DAC is capable of.
Now may I have any comments relevant to this question (rather than just saying the sound quality of this phone is good or bad).
Also, not all stores here allow you to try out the phones like so unfortunately.
EDIT: Thanks to the LinusTechTips forum I found this video which pretty much explains what I've been saying: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdbn_pmxFic

Timmyfoxeh said:
Sounds better is subjective. WHY does it sound better? Explain!
With my taste in music I want a "bright" sound with pretty controlled and laid back bass. I do consider myself quite enthusiastic about good sound quality and honestly, afaik Beats sounds, to me, the entire opposite of what I think is good sound quality.
Anyone can explain to me how the sound quality compares to any other phone they've used?
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I think it's much clearer, and s bit louder. But clearer. I used to have an HTC sensation, where in the middle of your video or music you had a toggle to turn off Beats. And trust me, there is a difference. I even record university lectures on it, and beats tunes out the background noise and boosts that of the speaker. It does wonders . But you can always get the phone and turn off Beats and download an equalizer from the pay store.
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We're missing a critical piece of information from you : do you primarily listen through the phone's speakers or use headphones? Given that you don't seem to have a One yet (and thus have normal phone speakers which are pretty terrible ) you probably use headphones. The reason this is critical (and why the whole situation is kind of irrelevant) is because when using the phone speakers turning the enhancement off does make it sound worse IMO. However, if you're using headphones, turning it off makes it sound better assuming you have a decent pair of course. I don't know if you're like me and prefer a natural base level over an artificially high one, but if you are then you can just turn off beats and let the headphones do the work and it will sound just as good as using any other portable audio player out there. See why it's all irrelevant now? You can turn it on to use it when it's good and off when it's not, and if you personally feel that it's never good, then you can just turn it off and rely only on the hardware which is just as good as any other portable source.
So take home points (I'll keep them simple and clear) :
1. Yes it sounds worse if you turn off beats when using the phone's speakers.
2. It does sound better to those looking for a more natural sound profile to turn off beats when using a pair of quality headphones.
3. Turning off beats does not seem to activate an "intentionally low quality profile." That wouldn't make any sense, it's just a tweaked equalizer...
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Xerro-Five said:
We're missing a critical piece of information from you : do you primarily listen through the phone's speakers or use headphones? Given that you don't seem to have a One yet (and thus have normal phone speakers which are pretty terrible ) you probably use headphones (you mention in passing a pair of sens). The reason this is critical (and why the whole situation is kind of irrelevant) is because when using the phone speakers turning the enhancement off does make it sound worse IMO. However, if you're using headphones, turning it off makes it sound better assuming you have a decent pair of course. I don't know if you're like me and prefer a natural base level over an artificially high one, but if you are then you can just turn off beats and let the headphones do the work and it will sound just as good as using any other portable audio player out there. See why it's all irrelevant now? You can turn it on to use it when it's good and off when it's not, and if you personally feel that it's never good, then you can just turn it off and rely only on the hardware which is just as good as any other portable source.
So take home points (I'll keep them simple and clear) :
1. Yes it sounds worse if you turn off beats when using the phone's speakers.
2. It does sound better to those looking for a more natural sound profile to turn off beats when using a pair of quality headphones.
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Thanks for a good and detailed response - This is the kind of reply I was looking for!
Also. good to see an opinion from someone that seemingly have a similar taste in sound signature as I do.
Yep I'm thinking of the headphone performance indeed, speakers I usually don't care too much about, I can see why they seemingly optimized the speakers for use with the beats turned on.
Another thing to mention, I'm coming from the Galaxy Nexus which has a rather decent DAC. Nothing spectacular but decent enough. If you have any comments on the SQ difference between the One and the Gnex or any similar devices, do post them.

Timmyfoxeh said:
Thanks for a good and detailed response - This is the kind of reply I was looking for!
Also. good to see an opinion from someone that seemingly have a similar taste in sound signature as I do.
Yep I'm thinking of the headphone performance indeed, speakers I usually don't care too much about, I can see why they seemingly optimized the speakers for use with the beats turned on.
Another thing to mention, I'm coming from the Galaxy Nexus which has a rather decent DAC. Nothing spectacular but decent enough. If you have any comments on the SQ difference between the One and the Gnex or any similar devices, do post them.
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Happy to help!
For practicality reasons I too usually use headphones. I'm sorry I've never had a galaxy line phone to compare to. But if you think about it theoretically, you're going to be playing mp3 files in all likelihood. Hopefully they're 320kbps at least, but still mp3s. At this level of listening comparing one source to another is pretty difficult I think; there's just too much compression already. Which is why I think contrasting portable audio source quality is a moot point, it depends more on the headphones. But fortunately you need to get up into the thousands of dollars in equipment to decern the finer details anyway.
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Xerro-Five said:
Happy to help!
For practicality reasons I too usually use headphones. I'm sorry I've never had a galaxy line phone to compare to. But if you think about it theoretically, you're going to be playing mp3 files in all likelihood. Hopefully they're 320kbps at least, but still mp3s. At this level of listening comparing one source to another is pretty difficult I think; there's just too much compression already. Which is why I think contrasting portable audio source quality is a moot point, it depends more on the headphones. But fortunately you need to get up into the thousands of dollars in equipment to decern the finer details anyway.
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Actually most of my collection is ripped in flac ^^
My setup at home is a far better source than any phone can produce, not super high end but still a good setup.
Nonetheless, I care for having a decent enough audio source from my phone as a large portion of my music listening is when away from home and I don't want to carry a ton of portable equipment and media players when I can have it all done from my phone.

Timmyfoxeh said:
Actually most of my collection is ripped in flac ^^
My setup at home is a far better source than any phone can produce, not super high end but still a good setup.
Nonetheless, I care for having a decent enough audio source from my phone as a large portion of my music listening is when away from home and I don't want to carry a ton of portable equipment and media players when I can have it all done from my phone.
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Oh nice, that's excellent! The thought of re-ripping all of mine is just to daunting...
From what I've read elsewhere on xda the One handles flac pretty well.
There's a lot of neat information here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/655952/htc-one
Page 2 will be especially interesting to you as someone had the Galaxy s and htc One.
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Xerro-Five said:
Oh nice, that's excellent! The thought of re-ripping all of mine is just to daunting...
From what I've read elsewhere on xda the One handles flac pretty well.
There's a lot of neat information here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/655952/htc-one
Page 2 will be especially interesting to you as someone had the Galaxy s and htc One.
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Sorry meant galaxy nexus

LG Quad DAC Tips, Tricks, Etc...

Howdy All,
For those who have had a LG V device in the past you'all know what's coming - how do we trick the quad DAC into high impedance mode (HIM) or AUX mode?
For those who don't know here's a little background. The previous LG V series phones have had a very nice DAC and AMP setup which can almost meet the standards of audiophile quality. The thing was that in the later phones (V20 and V30 AFAIR) the software was designed to "smart switch" which mode the AMP was in. HIM and AUX mode settings had the loudest volumes and was corresponding to the headphone impedance value. The normal setting had the lowest volume designed for low impedance IEMs. Note that the AMP setting doesn't really have a bearing on sound QUALITY, just sound VOLUME. I'm guessing but the reasoning for this is to prevent blown IEMs and blown eardrums. I'm going to find the link for the old V30 quad DAC thread and some stuff tried and what worked in order to activate AUX mode and/or HIM. BTW having ROOT on the phone allows for adjusting this setting as needed, which is why I went with the unlocked version this time around. My pair of MrSpeakers Aeon Flows have low impedance but need power in order to drive properly and the AMP in the V series phones would only trigger normal impedance mode.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/help/modes-quad-dac-t3690567
So that brings us to the V40. Does it have a quad DAC? Yes it does. Does it have a smart switching AMP? So far my indications are yes it does. Do the old tricks from the V30 days work on the V40? I don't think that they do. I have multiple extension cables, which I use for triggering the AUX mode as well as an impedance adapter (50ohms I think). The old methods of using the extension cable, the adapter, and both don't seem to have an effect on the AMP setting. My Sony MDR-1As are much louder than my Aeon Flows...bummer for me.
UPDATE - Upon further testing with the help of this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apptrio.hi_fi_status I was able to trigger the AUX AMP mode and it kicked up the volume on my Sony's quite a bit! Unfortunately when I triggered HIM the volume of the sound did not change from the normal mode. Basically what I did was take a 2ft 3.5mm cable extension (male on one side female on the other) and plug it in WITHOUT THE HEADPHONE CABLE ATTACHED. Once the HIFI status app displayed AUX mode I then plugged in my HPs and BOOM, here comes the volume!
Anyways if you have anything to add or have any questions feel free to hit us up. When root is available I'll also make updates to this thread if need be.
Have a good one :highfive:

Is that why the volume is stuck at 75?
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Fabio0716 said:
Is that why the volume is stuck at 75?
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If you have your volume go up to 75 and it doesn't blow out your ears then it is due to the AMP being in normal mode.

I just say one thing:
Neutron player!
Demands some fiddling before you reach your preferred settings, but for me it's the best DAC player out there!

nyttliv7 said:
Neutron player!
Demands some fiddling before you reach your preferred settings, but for me it's the best DAC player out there!
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Have you tried the mobile version of foobar2000? As it's the preferred app for FLAC files and such on the PC, I imagine the mobile version is quite good as well. I wonder how it compares to Neutron Player. I definitely will give both a shot and compare.
On the note of music players, despite making fun of it (it's quite easy to do) and being certain it would fail, I recently converted to Tidal. The quality is really astounding, and the music library is almost as complete as Spotify/etc. Additionally, some albums are available as "masters" that are actually encoded with MQA!

Your right about Tidal. It sounds awesome. The price difference isn't worth it though.

Treesap! I'm comparing those players right now! I'm listening to metal (Tesseract), jazz (Yellowjackets), all flac, and so far I like both foobar2000 and Neutron. The built in player is not satisfying me yet, except for mp3 (I See Stars - Treehouse). Does anyone know if it's necessary to disable the built in effects to make other players work independently? That's what I did with v20. Just remember how different expectations and taste we all have in regards to music/sound
And maybe I should add that I'm just a regular user (with high demand on sound quality), who can't afford too fancy earbuds or extras right now. Any advice regarding good quality sound (budget price) earbuds would be very appreciated

Went back to Poweramp (poweramp-alpha-build-705) and so far it's the best one for me.
For anyone who didn't know, if you payed for the full version, you can upgrade it to high res.
https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic...s-within-old-feature-complete-user-interface/

nyttliv7 said:
Went back to Poweramp (poweramp-alpha-build-705) and so far it's the best one for me.
For anyone who didn't know, if you payed for the full version, you can upgrade it to high res.
https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic...s-within-old-feature-complete-user-interface/
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So after fiddling for a while, Poweramp alpha 705 is tuned (for my ears) to perfection
If it can help anyone, I'll happily share?!
BTW, some interesting reading that made me understand more about hi-res and DAC:
https://www.androidauthority.com/why-you-dont-want-that-32-bit-dac-667621/

Does Poweramp 705 perform better than LG's stock music app?

wwyjoe said:
Does Poweramp 705 perform better than LG's stock music app?
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Well I'm sure there's some tech guys here who can give us the correct details, but for me the answer is yes! After tuning it up for my ears, the Poweramp does it in a perfect way. If I play mp3 or flac it's giving me perfect sound all over, compared to the lg app were I had to tune it up for individual files.

have any of you engaged the DAC for streaming, for Google music in particular?
there was mention by some last year that one DAC player and an add-on app could do that for Google music. i just don't keep much on my phone and streaming is my way, so I'm still looking at taking advantage where i can. I'm running V4A on a rooted V30 now and looking at the V40's development.

nyttliv7 said:
Went back to Poweramp (poweramp-alpha-build-705) and so far it's the best one for me.
For anyone who didn't know, if you payed for the full version, you can upgrade it to high res.
https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic...s-within-old-feature-complete-user-interface/
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Poweramp improving and improving
(Poweramp-v3-build-805-uni)

I realize there probably isn't much benefit from forcing high impedance but I do want to do some testing with it among other things so I'm curious has anyone figured out any tricks to forcing it with an extension cable or anything of the sorts. I'm still trying to find ways and it looks like similar ways done to the v30 isn't working the same way for our v40's

nyttliv7 said:
So after fiddling for a while, Poweramp alpha 705 is tuned (for my ears) to perfection
If it can help anyone, I'll happily share?!
BTW, some interesting reading that made me understand more about hi-res and DAC:
https://www.androidauthority.com/why-you-dont-want-that-32-bit-dac-667621/
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What settings have you set your Poweramp to? The LG app is sounding better and much louder to me.

Japultra said:
What settings have you set your Poweramp to? The LG app is sounding better and much louder to me.
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Hope the following can help, and also, please correct me anyone, if my way of thinking here is some way wrong or misleading.
A assume you've already taken part of the Poweramp forum?! It's the only way to get the hi-res add-ons. And you obviously have to log in to be able to download.
I'm not 100% sure about how poweramp and the built in eq interacts, but after fiddling for a bit, it seams like what I'm sharing here works best when it comes to volume and sound. Have in mind our individual reference of sound and of course, what kind of earphones/buds you have (this is based on flac files).
You can see I've put replay gain on max in Poweramp settings. You can easily change RG in the eq later to fit individual album.
If anyone else have suggestions, please don't be shy
https://forum.powerampapp.com/files/file/37-poweramp-v3-build-807-uniapk/

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What settings have you set your Poweramp to? The LG app is sounding better and much louder to me.
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Here's the rest:

ps3hacker3 said:
I realize there probably isn't much benefit from forcing high impedance but I do want to do some testing with it among other things so I'm curious has anyone figured out any tricks to forcing it with an extension cable or anything of the sorts. I'm still trying to find ways and it looks like similar ways done to the v30 isn't working the same way for our v40's
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I put details in the first post. Maybe you missed it?
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Speaking of the DAC, does anyone know if the V40 has support for MQA? The V30 has it, and they recently added support for it to the Essential PH-1, but no mention of it for the V40, just "high quality Quad DAC". I suspect that it does, because they probably used the same chip for the V40, but I see no mention of it anywhere, so far.

mtmdatlanta said:
Speaking of the DAC, does anyone know if the V40 has support for MQA? The V30 has it, and they recently added support for it to the Essential PH-1, but no mention of it for the V40, just "high quality Quad DAC". I suspect that it does, because they probably used the same chip for the V40, but I see no mention of it anywhere, so far.
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I had the V30+ what's "MQA"?