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Ok i have had me Tilt sense day one it came out! and
my question is that when i download cabs,program i save them to my card. when i go to install it and it ask my device or memory card i always put them on memory card! and after its installed i see my device memory get lower am i doing somethig wrong? O and it shows my memory card as storage card 2 when it should be storage card right! could that be the problem? its a 8gb card

I wouldn't worry about the SD card's name, it makes no difference. Depends on how much storage you are loosing when you install. Remember some apps will install shortcut icons onto the device so you can use them for the startmenu, home apps, etc. so you are going to loose a little space, but not alot.

It shows that i have 64968k memory available that's not that bad is it? i think i should have more then that! and im saving everything to the SD card! and i clear my text messages and web cookies like once a week so the phone can run smooth! thanks for the help

Yea, thats low. Have you went through and deleted all the bloat. Meaning sometimes they put tones, pictures, videos, music in My Documents. After flashing a ROM I usually go through My Documents folders and delete all the stuff I don't need. Another quick way to find out what is taking up so much space is to go into Start, Settings, System, click on Memory and down at the bottom click on "FIND" large files using storage memory. You can edit your search preferences there, the files you want to look for are the ones without the file with the storage card icon(those files are on the storage card)

sach2 said:
It shows that i have 64968k memory available that's not that bad is it? i think i should have more then that! and im saving everything to the SD card! and i clear my text messages and web cookies like once a week so the phone can run smooth! thanks for the help
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Not doubting you or anything but are you sure you are looking at the Storage memory and not the Program memory?

yea im sure its storage memory it shows it like this
storage memory program memory
Total : 125.04mb Total : 101.38mb
Inuse : 61.63mb Inuse: 44.96mb
Free : 63.41mb Free : 56.42mb
and i dont have any of that bolt wear junk! anyone knows why it not saving in the sd card?

sach2 said:
yea im sure its storage memory it shows it like this
storage memory program memory
Total : 125.04mb Total : 101.38mb
Inuse : 61.63mb Inuse: 44.96mb
Free : 63.41mb Free : 56.42mb
and i dont have any of that bolt wear junk! anyone knows why it not saving in the sd card?
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Storage Memory is not the Storage Card. Hit the Storage Card tab at the bottom of your memory screen.

JimmyMcGee said:
Storage Memory is not the Storage Card. Hit the Storage Card tab at the bottom of your memory screen.
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He's not worried about the Storage Card. His concern is the Storage Memory.

sherpa said:
He's not worried about the Storage Card. His concern is the Storage Memory.
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I would of agreed with you but he said this...
sach2 said:
and i dont have any of that bolt wear junk! anyone knows why it not saving in the sd card?
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So maybe he doesn't know what he wants.

On Froyo now, but wondering how much storage should I have now?

Here's the scoop, I have a rooted N1 and flashed, Froyo Vanilla AOSP 2.2 for N1, which I picked up from ChrisSoyars Twitter feed. It works wonderful, but my available storage is 152MB....is this correct?? When I bought the phone I had 181MB of available storage or something close to that. I don't have any apps installed and that is why I find this kinda odd>>>>>>I just saw that FB, Google Voice, Twitter and Google Goggles are installed, but this still doesn't look right.
So, though the N1 claims it has 512MB storage we can only use 200MB of it???
And why do I have less now than before??
Can anyone help clear this up for me....
Thank you.

You seem to be getting your jargon confused.
bane126 said:
So, though the N1 claims it has 512MB storage we can only use 200MB of it???
And why do I have less now than before??
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Are you talking about memory or storage? The N1 shipped with 512MB of memory, of which only about 256MB was accessible. With the Froyo update you will have access to all of your 512MB of memory finally.
The 200MB you're talking about seems to be the internal storage. That will be different after updating because different OS images are different sizes. Also your internal space will vary with the size of various application caches. Nothing to worry about.

pfmiller said:
You seem to be getting your jargon confused.
Are you talking about memory or storage? The N1 shipped with 512MB of memory, of which only about 256MB was accessible. With the Froyo update you will have access to all of your 512MB of memory finally.
The 200MB you're talking about seems to be the internal storage. That will be different after updating because different OS images are different sizes. Also your internal space will vary with the size of various application caches. Nothing to worry about.
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You actually have your jargon confused
N1 shipped with 512mb RAM and 512mb ROM
The 512mb RAM is not what hes talking about. There is 512mb of storage but only some of that is available to install apps with
storage requires a type of memory. flash memory. -_-
RAM = memory
Flash = memory
As for the question, the 512mb storage is split for system files and applications. you only have that much space for applications

Yeah, flash is technically a type of memory but it's not a good idea to call it just memory without elaboration because by default "memory" refers to volatile memory.

Okay, so now that I am on Froyo I should have 512MB of memory aKa RAM available as opposed to the 256MB of RAM that Eclair was allowed to use?? And the reason I have 152MB of internal storage is because of the OS and the applications are eating into the 512MB of internal storage the phone shipped with??

pfmiller said:
Yeah, flash is technically a type of memory but it's not a good idea to call it just memory without elaboration because by default "memory" refers to volatile memory.
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it does not default to volatile memory. its all a matter of context. his context clearly indicated that he was referring to his onboard storage lol
its just that the general population doesnt care to make a distinction haha
bane126 said:
Okay, so now that I am on Froyo I should have 512MB of memory aKa RAM available as opposed to the 256MB of RAM that Eclair was allowed to use?? And the reason I have 152MB of internal storage is because of the OS and the applications are eating into the 512MB of internal storage the phone shipped with??
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yes your exactly right. the storage is split up into chunks. only one piece is dedicated to apps

Thank you for clearing this up.

[Q] How Much Internal Storage Is Allotted For Apps

How much internal storage is reserved for apps on Color Nook (Of the 5 GB internal memory)? Reason I ask is it show that I have 3.95 GB of the 5 GB still available, but when I try to sideload apps it tells me device is full. Thanks.

cubstuff said:
How much internal storage is reserved for apps on Color Nook (Of the 5 GB internal memory)? Reason I ask is it show that I have 3.95 GB of the 5 GB still available, but when I try to sideload apps it tells me device is full. Thanks.
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I'm pretty sure this has been covered elsewhere, and I'm pretty sure that it's 1GB, but maybe someone with more dev experience will correct me.
That said, i'm 99% sure it's 1 GB. I don't think anyone's had to work around that yet

Thanks for the reponse. I performed a search but did not find any information. 1 GB might be correct, as that is about where I am at.

I think it's a little under 1gb. More like around 800mb which is still plenty. I've installed a bunch of apps and still have over 700mb free. No need for apps2sd You can check free space by installing nook color tools and going to SD Card & phone storage settins or by installing Mini Info from the market.

Only 2.88GB Application Storage. Stock phone. Where is my space?

I was having issues with my phone and accidentally deleted some system apps so I restored my phone using the fastboot files and cleared my internal SD card storage. Upon reboot (with no apps installed), there is only 2.88GB of application storage available.
If I remember correctly, 8GB is allocated to the internal SD card. Does that mean 8GB goes to application storage? If so, where is my other 5GB?

2.88 for Apps, 8 for internal, and the rest(no more than like 4 gig) for the OS if IIRC.

The OS takes up that much space?

Your internal storage is divided up in to three separate sections...
Apps (your app storage), Media Storage (this is actually like extended app storage or Apps2SD) and SDcard. Not sure the split but I think 8 for apps and media storage (split there however) and the other 8 for /sdcard.
An external SDCARD added would be /sdcard-ext
OS space is never listed as part of a phone's available storage so the 16 GB is has is dedicated to Apps/Media Storage/SDcard

tcrews said:
Your internal storage is divided up in to three separate sections...
Apps (your app storage), Media Storage (this is actually like extended app storage or Apps2SD) and SDcard. Not sure the split but I think 8 for apps and media storage (split there however) and the other 8 for /sdcard.
An external SDCARD added would be /sdcard-ext
OS space is never listed as part of a phone's available storage so the 16 GB is has is dedicated to Apps/Media Storage/SDcard
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So under storage it lists:
Total Phone Storage
Total Space 16.00GB
Application Storage
Available Space 2.73GB
Internal Media Storage
Available Space 8.00GB
Windows Media Sync
Windows Media Sync Storage Internal Storage (8.00GB/8.00GB)
The phone is stock with no updates/market apps. No pics, music, etc (Was backed up and formatted). I should still see 5.27GB somewhere right?

This summed it up pretty well for me. I think I answered my own question. This is exactly what my phone shows.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/10/motorola-droid-4-advertises-16gb-internal-storage-only-reports/

Straight from Moto with a little more detail: https://motorola-global-portal.cust...r_detail/a_id/76066/p/30,6720,8302/kw/storage

Awesome, thank you. I don't know why Motorola does that. They should advertise the amount of space that I can use, not how much is in the phone.

They inflate the phone's storage capacity to fool you into buying it, thinking you're really getting that much. It's an old trick.

core2kid said:
Awesome, thank you. I don't know why Motorola does that. They should advertise the amount of space that I can use, not how much is in the phone.
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Repartition the phone and flash with custom OS and you can use all that space, right?

Yea, that's probably why Moto Mobility is going down under.
I think a custom OS takes up space from your media partition.

App2SD and Nexus 7

Hi guys,
You may know App2SD that is used for moving apps from phone memory to the SD card, in order to free up space on the phone. My question is, do we get any benefit from this app? Because the Nexus 7 has only internal memory.
Thanks,

vndnguyen said:
Hi guys,
You may know App2SD that is used for moving apps from phone memory to the SD card, in order to free up space on the phone. My question is, do we get any benefit from this app? Because the Nexus 7 has only internal memory.
Thanks,
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You basically answered your own question, Nexus 7 only has internal memory. That app is useless for Nexus 7, because it doesn't have an sd card
Sometimes apps get installed to a different bit of the internal memory, as if it's installing to a virtual sd card partition, but it's really just another section of your internal memory (/data) partition.
In short, you can shuffle the apps around all you like, but they'll still be on /data.
To actually free up some space on /data, you could move some apps to the /system partition, or move some updated system apps back to the system partition with an app like 'System Cleanup'

Sure, thank you mate.
Could you guide me in details how to "move some updated system apps back to the system partition with an app like 'System Cleanup' " as you said above?

vndnguyen said:
Sure, thank you mate.
Could you guide me in details how to "move some updated system apps back to the system partition with an app like 'System Cleanup' " as you said above?
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(Assume you're rooted)
- Install and open SystemCleanup
- By default, you should see updated system apps at the top of the list, should have some red text
- Click on each icon on the left hand side until it has a tick
- Long press (Update system apps)
- Press back, will ask you to reboot...then reboot
This moves the app from /data/app to and overwrites the old redundant copy on /system/app
You can also try to select some apps on /data and do the same thing as above, long press and select 'Move app to /system/app', reboot. This may not work for all apps though. For instance, I install a 3rd party launcher and move it to /system/app, and delete the stock launcher using 'SystemCleanup' as well.
Can save a little space this way, make sure you have enough space on /system in the first place, will say how much free space at the top.

very good guide. Thank you so much.
Cheers

Hi @eddiehk6
I have another question. Does it matter if I move apps to /system partition and this partition becomes almost full? Does it affect to overall perfomance?

vndnguyen said:
Hi @eddiehk6
I have another question. Does it matter if I move apps to /system partition and this partition becomes almost full? Does it affect to overall perfomance?
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Don't know to be honest. Depends what you fill the space with. System apps are given higher memory priority I believe, not absolutely certain but you'd have to read
I don't think SystemCleanup will allow you to fill it up the /system partition to the maximum as it were, so there's no danger of it not booting. I just use it to optimise space a little. It's much more useful on my Desire with very limited space compared to the Nexus 7

vndnguyen said:
Hi guys,
You may know App2SD that is used for moving apps from phone memory to the SD card, in order to free up space on the phone. My question is, do we get any benefit from this app? Because the Nexus 7 has only internal memory.
Thanks,
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The N7 is very effective at managing it's internal memory, if anything using apps that supposedly optimize or move data around are detrimental to the overall lifespan of your N7's internal memory.
If the wear leveling mechanic of the N7's memory controller is doing it's job properly all the controller really is doing is lying to the app that wants to move crap around willy nilly and just keeping it in the same place anyway.
Aside from deleting crap you dont need there is zero benefit and most likely nothing but bad results if you think you can do a better job managing the memory better than a memory controller and android OS that can run through millions+ of calculations in the time it takes you to blink.
It's fine where it is.