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Nexus 5 Thermal Throttling

So, after watching this guy running some throttling test on several smartphones, I started wondering if my Nexus 5 was facing similar throttling issues; just like some Snapdragon 810 devices do. Also, I wanted to extend the testing results, in order to ascertain if Screen Brightness matters, and by how much.
The testing procedure was the following:
I kept running the Geekbench benchmark repeatedly for 10 minutes and taking note of the Multi-threaded score.
For the first set of runs I had the brightness decreased to Minimum. Then I left the device untouched for about 5 minutes (in order to cool down) and ran the test again with the Screen Brightness set to Maximum.
During the tests my Nexus 5 was:
-Stock Android 6.0 Marshmallow
-Stock clocks
-Stock thermal throttle temperature
-Unrooted
You can see the results on the following graph:
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What questions does this answer?
Yes, Nexus 5 does throttle. Yes, screen brightness does matter.
Does this make Nexus 5 a bad device?
Not by a long shot!
So guys, what do you thing about all this? Does throttling matter to you? Did you get different results on Custom ROMs?
If so, please share them with us!

That "news" are as old as the N5 is...

oifi said:
That "news" are as old as the N5 is...
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I just wanted to share some interesting results. We all knew that N5 throttles, but I wanted to investigate "how much it throttles", and also "how much is screen brightness affecting it".
Also, I have added the poll to see how much people here care about the throttling.
You don't have to be mean...

amkirk94 said:
I just wanted to share some interesting results. We all knew that N5 throttles, but I wanted to investigate "how much it throttles", and also "how much is screen brightness affecting it".
Also, I have added the poll to see how much people here care about the throttling.
You don't have to be mean...
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People will criticize what you do no matter what. Don't pay attention to their gratuitous diatribe.
Thank you for offering a more detailed analysis of the problem at hand.

I didn't want to offend you. N5 also dimms the screen if it gets too hot. So you can't see how slow it is after throtteling. [emoji6]
And yes, it is very annoying.

For myself throttling is a matter or not depends on how serious of it, quite sure something like the 810 I will totally avoild, but 808 will be acceptable for me.
p.s. I don't know which options I shall choose.

DummyPLUG said:
For myself throttling is a matter or not depends on how serious of it, quite sure something like the 810 I will totally avoild, but 808 will be acceptable for me.
p.s. I don't know which options I shall choose.
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If you look at this video, you can clearly see that Snapdragon 808 does not throttle at all.
The problem with throttling is that even though they are selling us a 2.3 GHz device, we don't get these clocks after a couple of minutes surfing on the web (for example)... In other words, we don't get what we thought we paid for.
I bet that Nexus 5 could even reach 3 GHz if its power source allows it, but the thermal limit would make it impossible to sustain those clocks for more than 10 seconds
p.s. I think the first choice "Yes, of course it does" is the choice for you

amkirk94 said:
If you look at this video, you can clearly see that Snapdragon 808 does not throttle at all.
The problem with throttling is that even though they are selling us a 2.3 GHz device, we don't get these clocks after a couple of minutes surfing on the web (for example)... In other words, we don't get what we thought we paid for.
I bet that Nexus 5 could even reach 3 GHz if its power source allows it, but the thermal limit would make it impossible to sustain those clocks for more than 10 seconds
p.s. I think the first choice "Yes, of course it does" is the choice for you
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As I know the 808, at least in G4 does throttling, just not as serious as 810. So does the 7420. I agree most if not all current highend cpu does throttling, slow down a little bit is acceptable, but 810 really slow down too much. There are review 808 actually faster then 810 when under load.
Nexus 6p use so call v2 of 810, I wonder if help on throttling.
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DummyPLUG said:
Nexus 6p use so call v2 of 810, I wonder if help on throttling.
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All 810s have been v2.1 even the htc m9 ... What varies is the clock speed... Oneplus two had 1.9ghz htc had 2.0 and Sony too is driving at 2.0 with heatsinks .... What would be interesting is if Google too asked huawei to use heatsinks

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All 810s have been v2.1 even the htc m9 ... What varies is the clock speed... Oneplus two had 1.9ghz htc had 2.0 and Sony too is driving at 2.0 with heatsinks .... What would be interesting is if Google too asked huawei to use heatsinks
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OnePlus 2 is 1.82GHz, while Nexus 6P is at 2.0Ghz. I think 6P really needs those heatsinks, if they don't want it throttling...

DummyPLUG said:
As I know the 808, at least in G4 does throttling, just not as serious as 810. So does the 7420. I agree most if not all current highend cpu does throttling, slow down a little bit is acceptable, but 810 really slow down too much. There are review 808 actually faster then 810 when under load.
Nexus 6p use so call v2 of 810, I wonder if help on throttling.
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Nvm I'm wrong lol
Here's a nice article on the history of the SD810
http://www.androidauthority.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-810-v2-617956/
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OP5 - Benchmark cheating!

Hi all!
See this news article: https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5-benchmark-cheating-reviews/
Long story short - all cores on a test device were bumped to max performance (and stayed there) whenever a benchmark app was run.
This was done by identifying the app name (package name). Very simple and crude implementation.
Graph of performance when running a custom build app with no identifiers:
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Same when running standard apps with regular identifiers present (the phone is now cheating):
**** move OnePlus! Still ordered the phone though :fingers-crossed:

Are you sure this is called cheating? It's really the max performance of the phone, and it doesn't overclock itself. And yeah, it's a bad move to identify those apps, but I wouldn't call it cheating.

The article suggests its cheating, thats there wording Personally i partly agree with you though. But locking at max is not every day behaviour

Have OP learned nothing?!

I can care less about the benchmarks. I care about smoothness and ram management. I hope it is better than my Pixel XL. Time will tell.
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The 3T was one of the best android experiences I have ever had. I'm looking forward to receiving my Oneplus 5

Agree benchmarks are not important in everyday life, or actually not even when choosing phone.
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i ordered OP5 right after the launch event.. and i couldnt care less for the benchmark scores..
yet, this is cheating..
i dont think most people want to know how the device performs at its peak before burning itself.. instead actual real-life performance is the focus..
it (the "cheat") gives false impression/expectation on performance to those non-techie people with non-normal/in-lab-only usage pattern..
and if you think this is not cheating, why not apply it to all use cases instead of only target at particular benchmark apps, if its such a wonderful behaviour to have?

Battery Life Only Benchmark that Matters
Since the 801 -- which still speeds along my 1+1 plenty fast for me -- I typically skip all the benchmark scores (boring!) and look for the one thing that matters most to me -- the battery life experienced by the reviewer. And according to ArsTech*, the battery life on the 1+5 is stellar!
* https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/06/oneplus-5-review-the-best-sub-500-phone-you-can-buy/2/

Who cares? Does it affect your use of the phone? No. Does it make oneplus look bad? Yes.

Benchmark
Just done a benchmark rated top

Cheating? Is a Volkswagen Diesel inside?
Sorry.. couldn´t resist.

I don't get it, why this is cheating? I want to know what the hardware is capable of. Even if all time max frequency is not daily usable.

oVeRdOsE. said:
I don't get it, why this is cheating? I want to know what the hardware is capable of. Even if all time max frequency is not daily usable.
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Because every other phone doesn't do it so you get a false benchmark score for OP compared to others.

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Because every other phone doesn't do it so you get a false benchmark score for OP compared to others.
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makes sense.
But this phone still showing hardware benchmarking, I mean they don't edit the software to change the numbers.
If other phone makers don't do this, well I understand.
But in theory with a custom kernel, and cpu governer, it's possible to max out the cpu/gpu and using the phone like so. with 30 min of battery...

oVeRdOsE. said:
makes sense.
But this phone still showing hardware benchmarking, I mean they don't edit the software to change the numbers.
If other phone makers don't do this, well I understand.
But in theory with a custom kernel, and cpu governer, it's possible to max out the cpu/gpu and using the phone like so. with 30 min of battery...
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The cheating is something other phone makers have done before. Samsung did it a few years ago but stopped when they were found out. One Plus have been found out and continued to do it, Google have even called them out on it and told them to stop. They're maxing the CPU to give an inflated benchmark result and make them top of the benchmark scores.

OnePlus is a bunch of developers that got together and made their own phone right? Soooooo is it a surprise they bumped the scores a little? Who freakin cares it's an awesome phone. (I'd prolly not be as pleased if I had the jelly scrolling issue that is "normal"......)

I'll never understand this "cheating" nonsense...benchmarking a computer or any type of technology's CPU/GPU, etc was done to gauge the potential of that hardware. When people go to sites like 3dmark and look at the leader charts, those PCs are overclocked beyond your wildest imagination using things like liquid nitrogen and dry ice...the video cards are striped of their stock coolers and have exotic water cooling blocks installed.....if you simply wanted to benchmark something at it's basic stock speed, the scores would literally be the same across every product using that CPU/GPU...what's the point? OP sets their phone to go to max performance when benchmarking and it's cheating?? Samsung used to get cherry picked Snapdragons in the past that were able to clock higher than the rated spec safely...is that cheating? If OP clocked the Snapdragon 835 higher than it's rated spec out of the box, would that be considered cheating? Are all the millions of enthusiasts who overclock their PCs to achieve the highest possible score in 3dmark also cheating?

All in all, this article tells us about just how good Oneplus 5 optimizations happen to be. When the Cupertino phone company can drive the heck out of optimizations between each of their software & hardware components we should thank that at least there now is an Android phone team that does the same.
Plus the Benchmarks are not there to imitate real life usage, they are there to see how well software and hardware components are intertwined to pull up a Score based on performance. Real life usage can only be perceived by a real life usage and in that department OnePlus 5 is second to None Literally.

Not really. Any phone manufacturer could easily do the same thing here (increase clock speeds when benchmarks are detected). There's nothing really being "optimized" by OnePlus.
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Question High temperature ~ Low battery life?

Hello guys, i recently bought the Mi11, this is my first flagship phone (at least in terms of hardware) and i'm not used to a soc like the 888 that require this much juice.
Since the beginning i noticed that the battery wasn't so great, in particular the drain was quite high (almost 1.5%-2%/h even if completely untouched) and the phone tends to get quite high even with extremely light use (telegram, whatsapp, youtube at most), however i don't have a reference of what should be considered hot for this kind of phone and i initially assumed something was wrong with my battery.
Do you mind sharing the temperature of your battery during those very light scenario? Just chatting on telegram and similar?
Yesterday with around 22t.amb i reached 35C just by chatting on telegram!
At the same time. temperature during benchmarks like antutu seems fine...
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Same issues for me, awful battery life, i must settle with 60Hz FHD+, and it is ALWAYS hot, whatever i'm doing, it get warm.

Wahoux said:
Same issues for me, awful battery life, i must settle with 60Hz FHD+, and it is ALWAYS hot, whatever i'm doing, it get warm.
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I honestly don't know, a friends of mine is telling me that the range 30-35C is more than fine for this phone during extra light work but i'm not sure.
What temps are you talking about?

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Asnamus said:
[XTREME Battery Settings] Improve Battery Life
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY Now this is just my personal preference and you don't need to follow all steps and you should choose what suits your needs. But I get amazing battery life with this settings without sacrificing 120Hz and WQHD+. I am on EU...
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Thanks, i will try to follow it for sure!
However mine was more a temperature-related question.

Ozozuz said:
Thanks, i will try to follow it for sure!
However mine was more a temperature-related question.
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Make sure you read the comments before doing it. Some components I would consider important core components are being removed by some of their commands. Make sure you consider the implications before copying any commands from there - one of the commands listed in their thread would probably make your NFC nonfunctional, for example.

I don't use NFC and yes as I stated you don't need to implement all of the settings and choose what suits your need. And this will solve your temperature problem. As it did solve mine.

Running warm all the time with high standby/idle current draw means you're needlessly prematurely trashing the battery.
Find the power hogs and tone them down.
Anything that's polling the internet every minute at idle needs to dealt with; that's one way to find the offenders. Karma Firewall uses almost no battery and is freeware. Unfortunately it's logging feature won't work on Q and above. Perhaps there an ADB workaround, don't know as I'm still running on Pie.
Goggle Play Services, Google Backup Transport, Framework and any cloud apk are prime offenders. Disable these as needed well as Google Firebase unless you want bloody Google to inventory your database!
Disable all carrier, manufacturer and Google feedback.
FB, WhatsApp, Twitter, Instagram etc... ditch this trashware (you were warned).

I'm appreciating all those advice guys, i don't want to be rude but again, my question is much more temperature related than battery related.
I still don't know if what i'm having should be considered normal for a flagship phone (in particular with such a ****ty soc like the 888) or not.

Ozozuz said:
I'm appreciating all those advice guys, i don't want to be rude but again, my question is much more temperature related than battery related.
I still don't know if what i'm having should be considered normal for a flagship phone (in particular with such a ****ty soc like the 888) or not.
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It's not normal on an optimized phone unless doing a cpu intensive task ie some games, malware scanners etc.
If a you have apks using massive amounts (enough to warm it) of cpu cycles doing nothing constructive it's killing the overall performance needlessly. Using cpu cycles and probably internet bandwidth as well.
If it's running warm when idling... you got power hogs

Actually, what blackhawk is saying, i agree with that 100%. Those are the batt consumers. This is an issue since android 9. Your heating comes from the google framework and services.
However, i do not agree on the part that this is not normal. Why? Simple, every phone with the newest just-released-hardware has this heating problem, based in the android framework. I have seen this with my phones all the time, oneplus 6t a lot of trouble, xiaomi mi 9, oppo, and even samsung. The software and the framework is just not fully ready to be launched and actually takes a while for the company to solve it. All the phones i mentioned were bought on the release and all was fixed by fixing the google framework, no more random heating or batt drops.

Question Buy the Bootloader Unlocked Snapdragon version from Hong Kong or China?

Since there's noticeable quality and heating drawbacks for the Exynos version, and the US version is bootloader locked, and not having root = you don't own the device, I'm wondering if anyone from outside asia has any experience or recommendations for buying this phone from HK or China, to get the unlocked snapdragon version.
Has anyone done this? I looked on amazon.jp and it seems some s21 ultras are listed as having snapdragons, but user comments say they ordered them and received exynos versions.
Cheers.
I assume china won't have google services but maybe HK does?
[EDIT/SOLVED]
Ok, so confirmed by users, there are a couple online shops that ship from hk to eu, even without extra VAT, and confirmed to ship with HK firmware. I don't know about all the codes, but seems at very least the G9980ZHU***** ones are HK firmware. I won't paste shops here since it seems people aren't so it might be against the rules.
Definitely don't recommend buying from China as you'd then have to flash the HK firmware to replace the china one or else you won't have certain features, but the HK version has everything working (only thing is samsung pay may be locked to HK according to some reports but I don't care, also maybe you could flash an eu samsung pay app especialy with root, idk).

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Since there's noticeable quality and heating drawbacks for the Exynos version,
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There is? I must be lucky in that case.
Too many people watch a video on YouTube and think they can tarr an entire product lineup.

Beefheart said:
There is? I must be lucky in that case.
Too many people watch a video on YouTube and think they can tarr an entire product lineup.
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how about do some video quality and photo quality side by sides... Also thermal throttling is a thing. It's pretty much like comparing a cpu from amd with a cpu from intel. It can't be "the same".
BTW my question was 99% about where to find x not let's argue about differences Maybe I'm just a fan of this snapdragon chip I keep hearing everyone is so proud of in all their flagships, regardless of how good exynos is. Blame marketing as well as sustained benchmarks. I'm all for competition in the hardware space but maybe next year idk; seems it's been catching up at least compared to last gen's exynos vs last gen's SD, but not quite within the "Ultra" paygrade yet.

Hongkong and China model are the same Snapdragons. They only differ in csc that you can change with samkey!

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There is? I must be lucky in that case.
Too many people watch a video on YouTube and think they can tarr an entire product lineup.
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+1. Everything fine here.
@Twodordan here you have, unbiased comparison:

Sithlordpt said:
+1. Everything fine here.
@Twodordan here you have, unbiased comparison:
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TL;DR I'm not paying Ultra money for "everything fine". I appreciate Exynos got less ****, but it's not "ultra".
1. his video shows at least one 888 is better, in performance, sustained performance, and thermals; and the other is the same. Whereas the exynos chips go from bad to the same. I'm buying a no compromise "Ultra" 1000+$ phone, not an almost as good phone. And snapdragon is either better architected or better optimized for in games, see the PUBG comparison for 40fps at lower quality vs 60fps at high quality on the snapdragon.
2. why the f is he taking thermal camera readings after the chips cooled down and they're already at 35 degrees? If you have a thermal gun, show uncut footage of running benchmarks 10 times in a row, showing thermals during workload. And which of the 2 snapdragons is he testing against for the rest of the video? My money's on the slightly underperforming one.
3. He took photos without the scene optimizer. Which would run better on SD. But even so the results are better on SD.
4. I am buying snapdragon because of the technologies on the chip. It's the difference between having DLSS and more mature raytracing on an Nvidia GPU and having an AMD GPU except much more pronounced because it's also tied to modem, image processor, and other SoC specifics.
And again, maybe you don't like my points, cool, then blame the snapdragon marketing, and the broad industry marketing that teaches us to make no compromises and get the best of the best at crazy prices and then oops you're locked into a compromise. If the exynos is better, don't ship with snapdragon.
PS: Here's some comments from that video:
"I've just re-ran my tests and still get the Snapdragon far ahead, unlike what you're getting. One interesting thing is that across every reviewer's testing I've seen, the Snapdragon seems to be performing similarly, but the Exynos models seem to have more variance between them. Some people's Exynos phones ARE getting really hot and slow like mine did, and other people are finding that their Exynos phones are doing just fine" - Mrwhosetheboss
"Its called silicon quality. It shows that some Exynos chips have very bad silicon quality which means they heat more and are more likely to throttle harder. And it also shows that Snapdragon is more consistent with the quality of their silicon."

Maybe it's a lottery and you should hate less Exynos. Mine is perfect and ahead of many S21U SD888.
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Not everything is black and white. There are several factors that can impact performance and raw power. I can guarantee to you what I know from MY OWN experience and I'm very happy with mine.
Plus, last updates increased dramatically the cameras and battery life of exynos version. SD888 variant is better at video recording but E2100 is better at zoom and details in photos.
Buy whatever you want, just don't talk as you know how it is because you don't know. You don't have one. I have. They are both similar.

General Lower benchmark scores than the normal for my Redmi Note 11 6GB/64GB variant.

I have the Redmi Note 11 6GB/64GB variant (bought it less than a week ago). I got to doing some benchmarking of my phone. I first checked the benchmark scores for my device on various sites and YouTube videos.
First, the Geek Bench 5 scores should be (according to YT reviewers' videos and other websites) around 364 for single core and 1500 for multi core . My device's score was 171 for single core and 911 for multicore.
Then I performed the AnTuTu benchmark and the scores should be around 270k but my score was 173847. Now that's a lot of difference, I wouldn't mind if the score was like 220k or something but 270k to 170k is a lot of difference.
I performed the benchmark tests in the first place because I was facing lag even while using Instagram and scrolling through WhatsApp and Telegram, I have restarted my device several times, the free RAM is always around or more than 3GB, I don't have many apps installed either. I have more than 50% of my storage free, nothing heavy was running in background while testing either. I don't play heavy games or stuff but I at least want my daily use experience to be smooth, what's the point if I can't even scroll Instagram without facing lags?
Here are the screenshots of the scores from Geek Bench and AnTuTu.
I'm extremely dissatisfied with this, should I get a replacement? I'm not really sure if the issue is with my device's hardware or it's MIUI's fault. If it's the latter then I'm ready to flash a custom rom to my phone if it will fix the issue. What could be the problem? Any help is appreciated.

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I have the Redmi Note 11 6GB/64GB variant (bought it less than a week ago). I got to doing some benchmarking of my phone. I first checked the benchmark scores for my device on various sites and YouTube videos.
First, the Geek Bench 5 scores should be (according to YT reviewers' videos and other websites) around 364 for single core and 1500 for multi core . My device's score was 171 for single core and 911 for multicore.
Then I performed the AnTuTu benchmark and the scores should be around 270k but my score was 173847. Now that's a lot of difference, I wouldn't mind if the score was like 220k or something but 270k to 170k is a lot of difference.
I performed the benchmark tests in the first place because I was facing lag even while using Instagram and scrolling through WhatsApp and Telegram, I have restarted my device several times, the free RAM is always around or more than 3GB, I don't have many apps installed either. I have more than 50% of my storage free, nothing heavy was running in background while testing either. I don't play heavy games or stuff but I at least want my daily use experience to be smooth, what's the point if I can't even scroll Instagram without facing lags?
Here are the screenshots of the scores from Geek Bench and AnTuTu.
I'm extremely dissatisfied with this, should I get a replacement? I'm not really sure if the issue is with my device's hardware or it's MIUI's fault. If it's the latter then I'm ready to flash a custom rom to my phone if it will fix the issue. What could be the problem? Any help is appreciated.
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I have the same problem

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thats the 4/64 variant of mine
also the LTE speeds are trash

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thats the 4/64 variant of mine
also the LTE speeds are trash
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Ya the LTE speeds are somewhat slower on this phone. At my home, on my Pixel 4a I get 20-40 Mbps with Airtel 4G, but on Redmi note 11 I get around 15-30 Mbps. It never cross 30 and reach 40 like pixel 4a.
I have the 6GB/64GB variant.
Also slower WIFI speeds. I have a BSNL Fiber wifi at home. Its just 2.4 Ghz but my pixel 4a reach speed upto 90-100 Mbps, whereas Note 11 never cross 50 Mbps. I know Note 11 will give faster speeds with 5Ghz wifi, but sill if pixel can reach 100mbps with 2.5ghz wifi then Note 11 should have been able to reach those speeds too.
Anyways, 50Mbps wifi and 30Mbps LTE speed is enough for me. So no complaints. LTE speed increases to 50-60mbps when I am in good network coverge area.

it fixed itself or the update i did manually helped (V13.0.7.0.RGKEUXM) but the score now is this:

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it fixed itself or the update i did manually helped (V13.0.7.0.RGKEUXM) but the score now is this:
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Can you make a couple of phone calls and try out the same benchmark? I am sure you should see decreased performance.
Check this for what's going on in detail.
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After a phone call the cpu caps at 50%. I had this phone.