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[Q] Incredibly hot battery temp!

Hi, I overclocked my One to 2.16 GHz (CPU) and 450 MHz (GPU)... when I play heavy games I reach really hot temperatures, the highest I get was 56.5 ℃ (133.7 ℉)... My question is: can the phone handle temperatures like these, or I risk to "fry" it?
P.S.: Sorry for my bad english!

It'll shut off when it gets too hot. 56.5 should be fine for playing games
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Why would you overclock a already fast phone to 2.16ghz ?

drakeymcmb said:
Why would you overclock a already fast phone to 2.16ghz ?
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The same reason people overclock their computer's, for that last little oompf
Enjoy your free thanks, i didn't mean to

Ugh don't overclock then...
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drakeymcmb said:
Why would you overclock a already fast phone to 2.16ghz ?
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Also wondering...in comparision videos of galaxy s4 vs the htc one i see the galaxy s4 starts apps faster and loads maps faster ingame.
Maybe this makes the difference or makes the one even faster?
Someone should do a video.
Also whats your battery life while gaming if i may ask?

drakeymcmb said:
Why would you overclock a already fast phone to 2.16ghz ?
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To see how far can it go. But if the temp is unsafe, I will downclock it.
@xxquicksh0txx: Are you sure? So can I consider 56.5 ℃ a Sade temperature?

xxquicksh0txx said:
The same reason people overclock their computer's, for that last little oompf
Enjoy your free thanks, i didn't mean to
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But at least on the PC you can feel the extra 2fps /sarcasm

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aliquo93 said:
Hi, I overclocked my One to
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Duh. No wonder it is overheating.

borgqueenx said:
Also whats your battery life while gaming if i may ask?
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I don't know because I play with the phone plugged in the charger.

serialtoon said:
But at least on the PC you can feel the extra 2fps /sarcasm
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True, there really is no point in overclocking right now. Seeing as we can max out everything basically.
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Don't play while recharging the phone, makes the phone heat up faster
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I think that it will "fry" soon at 2.16 Ghz

ImJacky said:
I think that it will "fry" soon at 2.16 Ghz
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It is indeed dangerous to pressure your phone for a long period of time at those levels. If I want to play games I fire up my Xbox.
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mate this is not a PC... it doesnt have the tolerances to hold such a high overclock. replace the heatsink with a noctua or something like i have in my pc below then you can overclock as much as you want. Dont cry the day your phone stops working
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aliquo93 said:
I don't know because I play with the phone plugged in the charger.
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I'm starting to think you're a troll.

ArmedandDangerous said:
I'm starting to think you're a troll.
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No, I'm not, lol. If I play with the phone unplugged the battery goes down too quickly.
Anyway, I heard that HTC tests their devices at hot temperatures, and I know that when a phone overheates too much, it reboots automatically, like a PC. It's never happened to me, so I think it's stable for now.

aliquo93 said:
No, I'm not, lol. If I play with the phone unplugged the battery goes down too quickly.
Anyway, I heard that HTC tests their devices at hot temperatures, and I know that when a phone overheates too much, it reboots automatically, like a PC. It's never happened to me, so I think it's stable for now.
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I think you should bump it down to 1.9 GHz and undervolt it a tad, and be sure to play unplugged, no matter what the battery is like. If you're finding the battery poor, I assue you that I find most games work fine at 1.1GHz ( Power Saving mode ON) with only neglible slower loading times (some games will take 10 seconds longer to load, but the battery is much improved). Turning your brightness down will also help to reduce those temperatures and increase the battery life while gaming.

In hamdir's gaming thread he did a test that showed underclocking the cpu didn't affect gaming (same as overclocking) since the gpu continued to run at 400mhz (or 450 when overclocked). Either way there is no need to really burn the thing at 2.16 unless you plan on using aftermarket cooling lol

CPU Binning on the Nexus 5

Nexus 4 owners, (past and present), remember this thread? Well I don't know the range or any of that, I don't know what number means slow, nominal, fast, faster, fastest, so I'm not going to make a poll. Lets just began posting what we have so we can figure it all out.
If you didn't click the link I gave to the old thread:
1) You must be rooted
2) Type 'su' in terminal emulator.
3) Type 'dmesg | grep PVS
4 Post your findings!
Here's what I got:
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Going into this thread I felt that I need more XP to level up in order to understand what you just asked everyone to do.
JK
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PVS 3 here too
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PVS 1 here

PVS 2, not so bad. It can handle 150mV UV.

PVS 3
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PVS 1
Ran again and got PVS 4

Pvs 5. Returned in 0.457, if you guys want to bench lol

PVS 2 here
EDIT : 0.612 here. I have no luck in the silicon lottery my nexus 4 was nominal too

RussianBear said:
Pvs 5. Returned in 0.457, if you guys want to bench lol
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Damn thats got to be fastest. It must be a 1 to 5 scale; slow, nominal, fast, faster, fastest

BravoMotorola said:
Damn thats got to be fastest. It must be a 1 to 5 scale; slow, nominal, fast, faster, fastest
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Wait for Franco's app to be updated for n5, then we'll know for sure.

level cleared!!
Soldier 2.0 said:
Going into this thread I felt that I need more XP to level up in order to understand what you just asked everyone to do.
JK
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just to level you up
all CPU are nt the same, even if a very strenght process control there always be difference between two unit, the CPU are not matched pair
so there are some of them able to work on lower UV other no, some can handle overclocking better than other and so on
if you have a faster cpu PSV=4 you could have better perfomance in terms of overclocking or battery usage lowering voltage
for sure even in case of lower binning your N5 will fly...

stremax said:
just to level you up
all CPU are nt the same, even if a very strenght process control there always be difference between two unit, the CPU are not matched pair
so there are some of them able to work on lower UV other no, some can handle overclocking better than other and so on
if you have a faster cpu PSV=4 you could have better perfomance in terms of overclocking or battery usage lowering voltage
for sure even in case of lower binning your N5 will fly...
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Yeah I'm pretty sure the difference isn't huge yet I think on the N4 the difference from 0-4 was big enough to cause concern. I had an N4 with a 0 (or 1 before 4.3) and its battery life wasn't as good as the one with a 3. I probably got on average 15-30 minutes more, and of course you can under volt a lot more on a better chip which can make a pretty big difference.

I couldn't get it to work... any suggestions? I am rooted.
http://i.imgur.com/JVMsKkA.png

Man, this sucks, I'm the slow kid. I got the PVS 2, returned .9xx. I checked it earlier, it's being a little strange though - sometimes the command works and logs all the information, sometimes it won't log anything at all. Hopefully when I check again later it'll give me a higher binning like the other guy. Probably not though. I did get fastest on my N4, so I guess you can't win them all.

UCLAKoolman said:
I couldn't get it to work... any suggestions? I am rooted.
http://i.imgur.com/JVMsKkA.png
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Same here. Exactly

PVS 4 here
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PVS:2
here

UCLAKoolman said:
I couldn't get it to work... any suggestions? I am rooted.
http://i.imgur.com/JVMsKkA.png
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that happened to me- i rebooted and all was good.
sent while running with scissors

UCLAKoolman said:
I couldn't get it to work... any suggestions? I am rooted.
http://i.imgur.com/JVMsKkA.png
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crypticc said:
Same here. Exactly
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It's being a bit finnicky. I rebooted and tried again, it's working again. Mine went from 0.9xx to 0.607 when I tried this time. Weird. Still PVS 2.

Antutu score 5.1

I just updated like 2 hours ago, installed a few apps got root and twrp on it.
Installed antutu just to check the score and wow a score i got with encrypted on.
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My score on 5.0.1 was 43k which i thought was ok but this new score with many apps installed and 10+ in recent was not bad at all.
What a snappy beast i got, much better then what i got when it was released!

thats a normal score on a nexus 6, 5.0, 5.01, 5.02, or 5.1. it hasnt changed. your score of 43000 was just a very low score to begin with.

simms22 said:
thats a normal score on a nexus 6, 5.0, 5.01, 5.02, or 5.1. it hasnt changed. your score of 43000 was just a very low score to begin with.
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Well 43k was my score when i brought the device with 5.0 on it.
To me this is a huge step forward, also the performance of the device is much better now.

Android-Desire said:
Well 43k was my score when i brought the device with 5.0 on it.
To me this is a huge step forward, also the performance of the device is much better now.
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i was seeing 53000+ on 5.0, stock. your 43000 score was a very very low nexus 6 score. 53000+ is the normal score for a nexus 6, regardless of what your score was before. i bet it was so low because youre benchmarking it wrong. if your cpu is set to max cpu speed and min cpu speed, then thats the wrong way to bench. as your phone then decides what speed itll use. youre supposed to set your cpu speed for max cpu/max cpu, so it only tests your max cpu speed, so it will only give you your highest scores. otherwise, you have no idea what cpu speed its actually testing. obviously 43000 it wasnt testing your max cpu speed.

simms22 said:
i was seeing 53000+ on 5.0, stock. your 43000 score was a very very low nexus 6 score. 53000+ is the normal score for a nexus 6, regardless of what your score was before. i bet it was so low because youre benchmarking it wrong. if your cpu is set to max cpu speed and min cpu speed, then thats the wrong way to bench. as your phone then decides what speed itll use. youre supposed to set your cpu speed for max cpu/max cpu, so it only tests your max cpu speed, so it will only give you your highest scores. otherwise, you have no idea what cpu speed its actually testing. obviously 43000 it wasnt testing your max cpu speed.
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43k was stock without any modifications to cpu kernel or anything that should interfer with the benchmark, same as this screenie. stock settings all the way.
Why is it everytime i post something here that all people take it like this is my first time using an android phone? I have build roms before - 2.3.4 on HTC Desire - 2.3.4 on LG Optimus 2x and a cupcake 1.5 rom for a huawei and i have also build 5.0 aosp for this Nexus 6.
My experience with this device at 43k was when i was omw home with only antutu installed on phone and not even connected it to pc yet.

I think what he is saying is other people, like myself, got in the fifties with a standard stock 5. 0 device.
If it really was a per device issue then I would think I would get in the sixties on 5.1 , but I don't think that's going to happen. i. e. you going from 5 .0 to 5. 1 did not jump your stats up by 10k.
But I am glad to hear it resolved your issues.
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Android-Desire said:
43k was stock without any modifications to cpu kernel or anything that should interfer with the benchmark, same as this screenie. stock settings all the way.
Why is it everytime i post something here that all people take it like this is my first time using an android phone? I have build roms before - 2.3.4 on HTC Desire - 2.3.4 on LG Optimus 2x and a cupcake 1.5 rom for a huawei and i have also build 5.0 aosp for this Nexus 6.
My experience with this device at 43k was when i was omw home with only antutu installed on phone and not even connected it to pc yet.
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well, you were doing something wrong then, whatever it was. 43000 is a nexus 5 antutu score, lol. btw, me, and everyone i know with a nexus 6 hit 53000+ on stock, while still stock. btw, just because you can build a rom, doesnt mean that you know everything android, as simple noobs can build aosp from source, and add things to it.

43k is low. I normally get around 55k.
I've had 34k before that was because the battery was low and limiting the cpu speed.

Not sure how a discussion of Nationality started in a phone benchmark thread? Either way, it is unneeded and removed. Please stop.
Back to talking about meaningless numbers now....

Simm is correct - 53k is average for stock unrooted.
I can get this on my wife's phone all day without trying.

Mine did the reverse. On 5.01 I was at 53k. On 5.1 I am at 36k.

El Daddy said:
Not sure how a discussion of Nationality started in a phone benchmark thread? Either way, it is unneeded and removed. Please stop.
Back to talking about meaningless numbers now....
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Cause that is how they are always.
You must be able to see it from his post, he is assuming this is my first time with technology, and talking down to me like i have lived in a cave somewhere and got this created account date by accident.

Just to add a bit of confirmation (on one side) to this thread, I never got into the 50s on my stock nexus 6 until I removed encryption from the device and switched kernels. My values were consistent with what has been posted. I'm not sure how you can run Antutu wrong on a stock, unrooted, and locked bootloader device, unless you're running it while it's charging or when the battery is dead. I did neither and was scoring in the mid 40s.

For some reason I'm getting scores of around 44,000 in stock 5.1 (rooted). Prior to flashing 5.1 I was getting around 52,000. Antutu's 3D tests aren't looking as smooth as they were before, either.
This is with stock 5.1 kernel.
Edit: OK, how silly of me. Now that I've actually tested it on a fuller battery I'm getting low 50s again.

My Z3+ gets very,very hot

hey guys today I bought Z3+ and got very dissapointed : its gets hot very fast so frequency drops to minimal and heavy games lag a lot,I get around 10 fps in PPSSPP .
In fact I cant use phone at all. Any ideas guys?

Try a repair with PC-Companion.

ok thanks will try that
anyone got same issue? Everyone knows that Z3+ is a hot smartphone but why only my one reduces frequency? or I'm wrongly informed?

still no luck :/

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look at the fps guys.....

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look at the fps guys.....
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It's Asphalt 8, right? Also post few more information. FW version, thermal screenshot from CPU-Z before you start the game, the same screenshot when it starts to lag & how long it takes to get there.

Use trepn trust it more than cpu-z. Overlays only 4 cores but you can profile general usage to one you get your lag. I just hope that software will eventualy fix this and it ain't a hardware design fault.

This overheating issue is widely known due to the "hardware design", reduction of battery size to make it thinner, waterproofing to reduce any outside particle from affecting inside (and sadly vice versa) and the chip itself. Subsequent software fixes may be used to throttle or limit cpu usage in order to control the heating but at the cost of speed of the device.

Dathrex said:
hey guys today I bought Z3+ and got very dissapointed : its gets hot very fast so frequency drops to minimal and heavy games lag a lot,I get around 10 fps in PPSSPP .
In fact I cant use phone at all. Any ideas guys?
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Got to Settings > Backup & Restore > Factory Defaults (be sure to mark "wipe internal storage"). After that your battery lasts longer and the overheating is greatly reduced. Data on your SD card is not touched. All data on the internal storage gets removed.

Have you guys seen the way the CPU is working it ain't hardware. You sit at home screen with no running apps and 6 cores are active jumping from Basle line to 1.56 GHz and CPU load goas between 4% to 14 at idle so its CPU management not CPU. The reason they throttled it was to lessen the damage done by heat till the figure how to optimize the governor and thermal management. This is also the reason we don't have 5.1.1 as I think there really trying to fix this. Anyone here have a z2 or Z3 heat was an issue till they patched it. Also 6 cores is sruped to use at idle.
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Have you guys seen the way the CPU is working it ain't hardware. You sit at home screen with no running apps and 6 cores are active jumping from Basle line to 1.56 GHz and CPU load goas between 4% to 14 at idle so its CPU management not CPU. The reason they throttled it was to lessen the damage done by heat till the figure how to optimize the governor and thermal management. This is also the reason we don't have 5.1.1 as I think there really trying to fix this. Anyone here have a z2 or Z3 heat was an issue till they patched it. Also 6 cores is sruped to use at idle.
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Exactly, the problem with the 800 and 801 vanished after a 2-3 updates that came 2-3 months into the phone's support. We are still in launch phase of the Z3+ in some regions

Just to add in they need to invent a new govener that is tailers to 8 core big little chips
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LMcR92 said:
Have you guys seen the way the CPU is working it ain't hardware. You sit at home screen with no running apps and 6 cores are active jumping from Basle line to 1.56 GHz and CPU load goas between 4% to 14 at idle so its CPU management not CPU. The reason they throttled it was to lessen the damage done by heat till the figure how to optimize the governor and thermal management. This is also the reason we don't have 5.1.1 as I think there really trying to fix this. Anyone here have a z2 or Z3 heat was an issue till they patched it. Also 6 cores is sruped to use at idle.
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Exactly! Had the Z2 and can fully approve what LMcR92 wrote!

so guys you mean that 810 isnt supported in games?
P.S. resetting with pc companion helped a bit

Everything is supported just not optimized yet so some intence games get hot and laggy. This is why we need Sony's new update or even better a custom from and kernel.
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That is why i sold my unit after one day......
Switched to gs6, exynos. And everything working fine.
I hate samsung. But respect it why they have done on exynos.
Sony ....one last chance with z5
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OP5 - Benchmark cheating!

Hi all!
See this news article: https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5-benchmark-cheating-reviews/
Long story short - all cores on a test device were bumped to max performance (and stayed there) whenever a benchmark app was run.
This was done by identifying the app name (package name). Very simple and crude implementation.
Graph of performance when running a custom build app with no identifiers:
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Same when running standard apps with regular identifiers present (the phone is now cheating):
**** move OnePlus! Still ordered the phone though :fingers-crossed:

Are you sure this is called cheating? It's really the max performance of the phone, and it doesn't overclock itself. And yeah, it's a bad move to identify those apps, but I wouldn't call it cheating.

The article suggests its cheating, thats there wording Personally i partly agree with you though. But locking at max is not every day behaviour

Have OP learned nothing?!

I can care less about the benchmarks. I care about smoothness and ram management. I hope it is better than my Pixel XL. Time will tell.
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The 3T was one of the best android experiences I have ever had. I'm looking forward to receiving my Oneplus 5

Agree benchmarks are not important in everyday life, or actually not even when choosing phone.
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i ordered OP5 right after the launch event.. and i couldnt care less for the benchmark scores..
yet, this is cheating..
i dont think most people want to know how the device performs at its peak before burning itself.. instead actual real-life performance is the focus..
it (the "cheat") gives false impression/expectation on performance to those non-techie people with non-normal/in-lab-only usage pattern..
and if you think this is not cheating, why not apply it to all use cases instead of only target at particular benchmark apps, if its such a wonderful behaviour to have?

Battery Life Only Benchmark that Matters
Since the 801 -- which still speeds along my 1+1 plenty fast for me -- I typically skip all the benchmark scores (boring!) and look for the one thing that matters most to me -- the battery life experienced by the reviewer. And according to ArsTech*, the battery life on the 1+5 is stellar!
* https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/06/oneplus-5-review-the-best-sub-500-phone-you-can-buy/2/

Who cares? Does it affect your use of the phone? No. Does it make oneplus look bad? Yes.

Benchmark
Just done a benchmark rated top

Cheating? Is a Volkswagen Diesel inside?
Sorry.. couldn´t resist.

I don't get it, why this is cheating? I want to know what the hardware is capable of. Even if all time max frequency is not daily usable.

oVeRdOsE. said:
I don't get it, why this is cheating? I want to know what the hardware is capable of. Even if all time max frequency is not daily usable.
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Because every other phone doesn't do it so you get a false benchmark score for OP compared to others.

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Because every other phone doesn't do it so you get a false benchmark score for OP compared to others.
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makes sense.
But this phone still showing hardware benchmarking, I mean they don't edit the software to change the numbers.
If other phone makers don't do this, well I understand.
But in theory with a custom kernel, and cpu governer, it's possible to max out the cpu/gpu and using the phone like so. with 30 min of battery...

oVeRdOsE. said:
makes sense.
But this phone still showing hardware benchmarking, I mean they don't edit the software to change the numbers.
If other phone makers don't do this, well I understand.
But in theory with a custom kernel, and cpu governer, it's possible to max out the cpu/gpu and using the phone like so. with 30 min of battery...
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The cheating is something other phone makers have done before. Samsung did it a few years ago but stopped when they were found out. One Plus have been found out and continued to do it, Google have even called them out on it and told them to stop. They're maxing the CPU to give an inflated benchmark result and make them top of the benchmark scores.

OnePlus is a bunch of developers that got together and made their own phone right? Soooooo is it a surprise they bumped the scores a little? Who freakin cares it's an awesome phone. (I'd prolly not be as pleased if I had the jelly scrolling issue that is "normal"......)

I'll never understand this "cheating" nonsense...benchmarking a computer or any type of technology's CPU/GPU, etc was done to gauge the potential of that hardware. When people go to sites like 3dmark and look at the leader charts, those PCs are overclocked beyond your wildest imagination using things like liquid nitrogen and dry ice...the video cards are striped of their stock coolers and have exotic water cooling blocks installed.....if you simply wanted to benchmark something at it's basic stock speed, the scores would literally be the same across every product using that CPU/GPU...what's the point? OP sets their phone to go to max performance when benchmarking and it's cheating?? Samsung used to get cherry picked Snapdragons in the past that were able to clock higher than the rated spec safely...is that cheating? If OP clocked the Snapdragon 835 higher than it's rated spec out of the box, would that be considered cheating? Are all the millions of enthusiasts who overclock their PCs to achieve the highest possible score in 3dmark also cheating?

All in all, this article tells us about just how good Oneplus 5 optimizations happen to be. When the Cupertino phone company can drive the heck out of optimizations between each of their software & hardware components we should thank that at least there now is an Android phone team that does the same.
Plus the Benchmarks are not there to imitate real life usage, they are there to see how well software and hardware components are intertwined to pull up a Score based on performance. Real life usage can only be perceived by a real life usage and in that department OnePlus 5 is second to None Literally.

Not really. Any phone manufacturer could easily do the same thing here (increase clock speeds when benchmarks are detected). There's nothing really being "optimized" by OnePlus.
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