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Comparison of Kaiser v. Titan (PPC 6800)

I am currently using an Hermes. I got a Titan (PPC 6800) a few months ago. It has the same Qualcomm chip (the 7200) found in the Kaiser.
I gave the TiTan to my son and kept the Hermes because it had better sound and better battery life. (I realize that the Titan is a CDMA device and may not have as much batter life).
Have any of you compared the Kaiser and the Titan?
Is the Kaiser really that much better than the Hermes? If so, why.
I'm trying to decide to get the Kaiser or wait for the Omni.

rambo6 said:
I am currently using an Hermes. I got a Titan (PPC 6800) a few months ago. It has the same Qualcomm chip (the 7200) found in the Kaiser.
I gave the TiTan to my son and kept the Hermes because it had better sound and better battery life. (I realize that the Titan is a CDMA device and may not have as much batter life).
Have any of you compared the Kaiser and the Titan?
Is the Kaiser really that much better than the Hermes? If so, why.
I'm trying to decide to get the Kaiser or wait for the Omni.
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Well despite a slowness problem someone else has reported recently, mine is superbly fast compared with the Hermes. Instant power on from standby, quick opening of power hungry applications like tomtom etc etc. Brightness is better, feels better, better build quality. AND NO lockups and freezing so far - and that's a MAJOR plus in my book. No issues with freezing when on charge etc , in fact it's been so smooth for me that I have not been doing my regular backups (bad practice I know!).
I really am impressed by this device - not just the GPS, but mainly because of the reliability, speed and feel of it. So far as added potential for this device over the TyTn (GPS aside) I'm not so sure that there is a huge benefit, BUT it is a huge benefit to have similar functionality to the TyTn that actually works reliably and smoothly - I feel I can rely on this device where I would not give TyTn 100% trust. (I enjoyed finding work arounds and fixes for the TyTn and got it to a fairly workable state, but the Kaiser is much more of an out of the box working device I think). The one poor thing (so far) that I've found is the slow scrolling in PIE - but only PIE; this feels glitchier/slower refresh rate than the TyTn.
Whther you wait for the Omni is for you to check out
Mike

Mike:
Thanks for the reply. I would like a larger screen so I'm tempted to see if HTC comes out with the Omni Next month as planned. I'll probably end up with both devices.
Have you messed with the GPS yet? Can it work using Google maps without any other hardware or software? Just curious.
Thanks!!!

Just my 2 cents, I have the same raves about the Kaiser/TyTN II. Out of the box it is really hassle-free.
I share your complaint about pocket IE but I find this behavior only in PIE. If you install Opera mini, for example, web browsing is similar to an Iphone experience but much faster. No refresh just smooth/fast scrolling.
I hope MS gives us a major update to PIE soon, It really is starting to show it's age.

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Just my 2 cents, I have the same raves about the Kaiser/TyTN II. Out of the box it is really hassle-free.
I share your complaint about pocket IE but I find this behavior only in PIE. If you install Opera mini, for example, web browsing is similar to an Iphone experience but much faster. No refresh just smooth/fast scrolling.
I hope MS gives us a major update to PIE soon, It really is starting to show it's age.
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Yes, looks like Opera mini then. I tried it on my TyTn but generally preferred PIE layoutwise. It's just strange that PIE should be about the only thing I find slower on the Kaiser. In single column view it scrolls fine until you start to get further down a page and eventually it all but seizes up. Still, as you say Opera Mini is smooth scrolling, I'll be very happy with that.
Mike

It seems to be the best out of the ones I've tested, including deepfish which I'm not really impressed with.
There is also another browser that is rumored to be better than Opera mini. I believe it's called thunderhawk.

GenesysLV said:
It seems to be the best out of the ones I've tested, including deepfish which I'm not really impressed with.
There is also another browser that is rumored to be better than Opera mini. I believe it's called thunderhawk.
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or picsel ... its the best one ive used

i've had a 6800 for a couple months, great device, horrible rom, horrendous memory issues. looking forward to getting this kaiser, and hoping the decrease in data rates from ev-do aren't too bad...
eric b

AT&T Network v. Sprint
e-dub said:
i've had a 6800 for a couple months, great device, horrible rom, horrendous memory issues. looking forward to getting this kaiser, and hoping the decrease in data rates from ev-do aren't too bad...
eric b
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I'm running a Hermes on AT&T's network and a 6800 on Sprints EVDO rev. 0. Overall and in most places AT&T's HSDPA network is faster than the Sprint. I carried both phones for two weeks in Salt Lake City and surrounding areas.
The Sprint network had EVDO in more towns than AT&T had UMTS or HSDPA. However, I could get the AT&T signal and get on the web in more places than I could with the Sprint. Sometimes it's only Edge speeds but I could get on.
I ended up giving the Sprint Phone to my Son and keeping the Hermes and trying to decide whether to buy the Kaiser or not.

yeah, i've been damn near shocked at the speeds i've been getting on hsdpa in nashville vs. ev-do since i've gotten my kaiser on wednesday. but i know surfing in edge will drive me insane if i ever have to do it
eric b

e-dub said:
yeah, i've been damn near shocked at the speeds i've been getting on hsdpa in nashville vs. ev-do since i've gotten my kaiser on wednesday. but i know surfing in edge will drive me insane if i ever have to do it
eric b
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I'm really close to ordering a Kaiser unlocked. Most of the Kaiser posts have been from people in Europe. Please give me a full rundown. I'm especially interested in how the gps works with google maps. Have you set it up and given it a whirl?
Also, surfing on Edge with the Hermes is not all that bad. It's funny because I go to some remote locations camping in Utah. Sometimes I can get an "E" or even a "G" signal and surfing isn't that bad while I lie in my tent at night. The fact that I can surf at all in such locations is amazing in and of itself. It down loads articles well but the pics take a few seconds more.
With the 6800, I can get a 1XRTT signal and can make a phone call, but I cannot get web access. With the AT&T service, it's hard to place a call in these remote locations but sending email and browsing the web works better. Go figure.

rambo6 said:
I'm really close to ordering a Kaiser unlocked. Most of the Kaiser posts have been from people in Europe. Please give me a full rundown. I'm especially interested in how the gps works with google maps. Have you set it up and given it a whirl?
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Just on the google maps part. It works well - but it tends (for some folk) to not wait long enough to acquire the signal before it times out. However there is an easy workaround:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330634&page=3
BTW
I lie in my tent at night
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poor girl just tell the truth
Mike

I loved my Hermes after taking it to Black WM6, the Kaiser is just that much better, as stated already, it's solid, fast and the GPS rocks. I use Google Maps and iGuidance v4 and they both work flawlessly, even at the same time with active GPS. You won't be dissapointed, except for lower "in-call" volume in the BT headset (many have complained about this, others say it's OK)

mikechannon said:
Just on the google maps part. It works well - but it tends (for some folk) to not wait long enough to acquire the signal before it times out. However there is an easy workaround:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330634&page=3
Mike
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This seems to be an initial, 1st time occurance. Once I had acquired a fix with another GPS app, Google maps worked fine. Now Google Maps works fine, even when I launch it by itself.

RemE said:
This seems to be an initial, 1st time occurance. Once I had acquired a fix with another GPS app, Google maps worked fine. Now Google Maps works fine, even when I launch it by itself.
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Thanks guys. I may have to order one. I have to buy my wife a new sewing machine first.

Well I've been playing with my Kaiser for a day now and on the whole I love the build quality and the extra memory and storage is a blessing.
However, I have major issues with the radio version.
It is dreadfully slow when the 3G signal is a just one or two bars - it often wont find an internet connection (things like the weather on the Home plug will not update) and I couldnt even make any calls for a while when the signal was low. I was tempted to switch to straight GSM.
Does anybody know of a good radio upgrade?

[Q] Very poor GPS performance on the open road

Yesterday I had the opportunity to take a long drive to north Jersey. I opted to compare the GPS performance of the Bionic and a 2-year old Magellan. I mounted the Bionic in it's VZW window mount and off we went. Even on the very open-sky NJTP, navigating using either the VZ Navigator app or Google Maps app was totally unacceptable. Cruising between 40 and 70 MPH, the Bionic searched for the GPS signals after less than a minute or two. I constantly had to press OK to enable the GPS reception. On the slower roads the Bionic would catch up with my location at red lights but once moving screen redraws were smeared across the display.
The Bionic GPS seems to be fine when walking around, even under modest foliage or Philadelphia or near an open window. Navigator, Maps and Poynt tell all, correctly. Drive at speed, natta.
Any ideas? I didn't expect the Bionic to perform as well as the standalone Magellan but I thought the Bionic would be acceptable?

>> I didn't expect the Bionic to perform as well as the standalone Magellan but I thought the Bionic would be acceptable?
My experience is the opposite. Mine just works ... EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. .... easily outperforming my two year old Garmin in ease of use and functionality but not location. As far as location goes both are "dead on" accurate all the time. Both devices obtain GPS locks in under five seconds. The difference maker is the 4G connection on the Bionic over the no connection whatsoever Garmin.
Who knows why yours isn't working. Are you rooted? Running a custom ROM?

cmhfdisker said:
>> I didn't expect the Bionic to perform as well as the standalone Magellan but I thought the Bionic would be acceptable?
My experience is the opposite. Mine just works ... EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. .... easily outperforming my two year old Garmin in ease of use and functionality but not location. As far as location goes both are "dead on" accurate all the time. Both devices obtain GPS locks in under five seconds. The difference maker is the 4G connection on the Bionic over the no connection whatsoever Garmin.
Who knows why yours isn't working. Are you rooted? Running a custom ROM?
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Agreed on both fronts. GPS works beyond great for me in Cali, and that we need a lil more info to trouble shoot
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Cruising between 40 and 70 MPH, the Bionic searched for the GPS signals after less than a minute or two.
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This makes no sense. I use the GPS on my Bionic and it works great going 80Mph on the freeway and even inside my house it's pretty accurate. No lags or any other issues.
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I constantly had to press OK to enable the GPS reception.
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What are you talking about? GPS is enabled one time and done. If you are actually having to press a button multiple times to keep GPS enabled then you have a major software issue with your phone.
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On the slower roads the Bionic would catch up with my location at red lights but once moving screen redraws were smeared across the display.
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Again what are you talking about? Never seen any re-draws on any version of Google Navigation (never used VZ Navigator) so I sound's like a defective phone to me.
Honestly unless these problems were found solely in VZ Navigator I would have to say something is very wrong with your phone in particular. Try a factory reset, sometimes this can clear up a software issue. If that doesn't help, exchange the phone.

Thanks all for the feedback. The Bionic is stock, no custom ROMs, no rooting. I have added a few apps but nothing unusual or non-Market. Looks like I'll be making a trip to the store.

I don't understand why, but the VZW rep looked through the phone and immediately said Lookout (tbe antivirus program) was the cause of the GPS problems. It was removed and on the 20-minute drive home VZ Navigator worked perfectly. VZ Navigator adjusted its directions when I deliberately went off route. I'll test Google Maps another day.

Lookout is pretty much just a waste of battery, especially for you since you didn't put any apps not from the market on the phone.

I spent a weekend in North Jersey using Google Navigation heavily and didn't get any drops, whether I was in the Vernon Valley/Great Gorge area or cruising down the GSP at flow-of-traffic speed (you know how fast that is).
Definitely give it another try...Verizon isn't worth the extra fee!
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Why do you use vzw navigator? The google is amazingly awesome and free
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I don't understand why VZ navigator even exists... Google navigation has worked perfect on all my droids.

I wouldn't touch VZ Nav with a 10' pole dancer ;-)
I just got my Bionic yesterday, been spending the better part of last night and today getting things back like I like em (came from D1). I used the (google) nav today to test it out...Worked Great, as expected. Just can't wait until we we 4g here in KC and I pony up more money for the car dock.

I have to agree with all the previous posters. I have the Bionic and live in Northern Jersey and Google Maps works tremendously well. Also, I have the Lookout App installed on my Droid and I have never experienced any issues with Google Maps or its Navigation.

How well does your GPS work

How are people finding their gps?
Mine seems to struggle unless outside whereas the old DROID RAZR next to it will work fine even upstairs indoors.
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Mine seems to work perfectly, even indoors, although it takes more time to find a satelite under a roof.

Mind if I ask which rom version you
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Mind if I ask which rom version you
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I surprise with your perform in indoors places... I have a galaxy ace, and it takes a long time to connect with satelites.

Mine seems to work fine. I haven't really used it much at all, but I'm in a concrete building, on the 2nd of 3 floors, and it got a lock in a few seconds.

Mine is very good - about a minute to get down to less than 5 m accuracy - using GPS Status and the ArcGIS Application with very detailed basemaps (part of my work).
The only thing is, like my Defy, the height data is rubbish, saying 180 m at the moment instead of 118 - is this a generic Android thing?

I've just put a Sim card in my phone and the GPS works much better!
I was planning to just use this phone as a media player and sat nav for my car hence no Sim Card but I didn't really expect it to make much difference having one in. Its quicker and more accurate!
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The N5 has let me down

Last weekend I went on a bit of a trip visiting 2 cities and was expecting to use the N5 as GPS (navigating trough the cities), camera and media player. I am sorry to report that it failed miserably..
First was the camera : all was well until i got the "cannot connect to camera" dialog and had to reset the phone missing the moment to be captured. If it were a one time event I could have over looked it but it happened about 5 times in 3 days. I didn't use HDR or other camera apps, just the stock camera taking normal photos/videos.
Secondly, (related to the camera) the mm-qcamera daemon drained my battery like crazy so i was always charging the phone and took a survival attitude towards it (2g, no data, no wifi, minimum brightness) negating it's smartphone capabilities as much as possible.
Lastly, and most infuriating, the GPS just didn't work. I had an internet connection (chrome and facebook worked just fine) but it just wouldn't load the map nevermind driving/walking directions.
To top all this, my friends Galaxy Ysomething with gingerbread performed flawlessly all of the above. Needless to say that after this none of the group will ever consider a N5 as their phone.
Sorry for the vent/rant but it can't be all roses..

Wow... All of those points to a defective unit.
Trust me, this phone is better than your friends smartphone
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the camera hogging battery has been confirmed by google and will be fixed in the next update
i have no issues with GPS or the camera and I take about 5-20 pictures every day. maybe you can try using a custom rom or maybe you have a defective unit. i would contact google for a return if you are able to

Just flash a custom rom. Bet all your issues are gone.
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Not sure I experienced any issues.. but mind you, once I opened the box, turned it on and rooted the phone and installed a custom rom... lol...
Stock Pure Google experience.. never tried it.. :cyclops:

considering i have never experienced the camera issue once since me and my wife have owned the phone, his experience is a isolated one.
1 of 2 things happened to cause his issue:
1) hardware failure, which is beyond anyone's control
2) he modded his phone and broke something, which can be fixed by going back to stock (or should be anyways)

I would return it in a heartbeat! That is unacceptable for any device and those are each large enough issues to cause concern. I have been an android fan since I first held one some years ago. Every effort towards modding in the past has been to attain a pure stock, nexus-like experience. I purchased to N5 to stop chasing that dragon and honestly...it has been somewhat disappointing. Constant drain from com.chrome.sanbox, camera daemon running constantly and horrible audio. I have rooted and flashed away many things, but always at the expense of stability or another feature that I favored. Google needs to get their sh1t together. This is a great device, no doubt, but there are too many little problems that en up adding to a major PIA considering that this phone comes straight from the folks who makes the OS that we all love. I understand your frustrations OP, that is unacceptable. I would return it, like others have stated. That's too crap going wrong on a singular trip to be considered just a glitch. I love my N5, but it is ridiculous to overlook glaring flaws simply because it's a Nexus.

GPS should work very great though. I drain maybe 10 percent in an hour with it running, and it locks in less than a second for me...

Zepius said:
considering i have never experienced the camera issue once since me and my wife have owned the phone, his experience is a isolated one.
1 of 2 things happened to cause his issue:
1) hardware failure, which is beyond anyone's control
2) he modded his phone and broke something, which can be fixed by going back to stock (or should be anyways)
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What a coincidence that his camera, battery drain and GPS issue occur all around the same time. You maybe right about the software issue but I was replying with the assumption that the OP is running stock..so my bad. However, I've got a bad GPS reception, it barely connects and I've tried on both stock and custom kernels. I can't RMA or service it through warranty since I got it from abroad.

well, I've had my Nexus 5 for a few months, and I use it constantly. The camera has never given me a single issue, and neither has the GPS. I use the GPS quite frequently, as I recently moved to a new province, and don't know the area.
I've also used my Nexus 5 while traveling(between Alberta, Canada and Nova Scotia, Canada with many stopovers in between) and not one issue.
I can't speak for stock, as I flashed CM11 the moment I got my phone, but I use what's listed in my signature. I highly recommend those. A few times, there's been issues with the Chaos kernel, but not for several months now.
I'd definitely say give custom roms a try. But if that doesn't fix it, revert to stock and return the phone right away if possible.

I found the phone simply excellent when I was traveling around London, GPS camera and battery all good.
Sounds like you have a faulty phone.
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Do you have Skype installed?
I also had the exact same problems with battery and camera on my tablet and phone untill I uninstalled Skype.
Have a look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2660470
Never had problems with gps though.

Unable to RMA it since a friend of a friend bought it for me from Germany (I am from Romania). I just uninstalled Skype and will keep an eye on the camera. For the GPS problem I have no clue since not even network location is working in maps... I have weather apps and they figure my location just fine.
I am running stock unlocked with twrp. I will try out some roms eventually..
Will my local lg vendor be able to do something about a defective phone ?
Edit : back home (i was out during my last reply) maps is working perfectly (even without GPS, after data clear and force stop, wifi off). It's like the phone is shy of new places...
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Also clear cache of camera app.

NitroOnTheRocks said:
Do you have Skype installed?
I also had the exact same problems with battery and camera on my tablet and phone untill I uninstalled Skype.
Have a look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2660470
Never had problems with gps though.
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This should be were greenify helps. Any apps that suck battery, mess up other apps or abuse the memory can be hibernated, and only woken when we want to use them.
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Yes, I have Skype. But its sleeping like a baby unless I use it.
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The last time I saw the "cannot connect to camera" message was on my Xperia Play, which had a faulty connection with the front facing camera. I've never once seen it on my Nexus 5. That one definitely points to a faulty unit.
Camera battery drain, apparently this is a known issue, although I personally haven't experienced any issues.
GPS issues...I don't ever 100% rely on any GPS device..way too much room for error. That said, I used the GPS on my N5 last week to pinpoint my location on the map to help me find the house I was delivering to. Worked as smoothly as it could. Maps was open, I turned on GPS, boom, the blue dot told me where I was, good times were had by all.
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Writing off an entire type of phone based on one bad experience with a phone he didn't even try to replace to see if the problems were commonplace is ridiculous. Most Nexus phones don't act like this and to act like they all do or they all will is ridiculous. "Needless to say, none of us will ever try a Nexus 5" is being overly dramatic.
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I agree. While I understand their frustrations, it is pretty dumb to say that no one in the group will ever buy a Nexus 5 because of one phone had issues. Umm, ok? Does any phone from any manufacturer have a 100% fault free track record? I'll save you the google, the answer is no.

I also have n5 since it was released, rooted and on stock with latest updates since 3/18/2014. I had note 2 before and I gotta say I miss it. For 2 main reasons, multi function and battery. I think I will sell this with next note release. Yes you get latest updates but when you are rooted I'd rather not have the latest updates.
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The battery drain comes from a very real bug concerning how Skype interfaces with your device's camera. Google has even come out and said it's a major problem (after doing their own internal stress test and finding it to be a real bug). They are likely to fix it, but here is more information for you about it: http://phandroid.com/2014/03/04/and...ogle-fix-arriving-in-a-future-android-update/
Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that specific part (the GPS and Camera malfunction, I cannot speak to) is just your device. People with stock Android and people on custom ROMs have also been experiencing it. I run Carbon and it still happens to me. That's why I keep Skype frozen or Greenified (a better solution) unless I need it. Of course, that's a pretty bad workaround, especially if you pay for Skype calling or need to be online for messaging.
I hope it works out for you. Also, I can't quite claim to know for sure, but the warranty is not tied to the original purchaser, it's tied to the serial number on the device. My brother purchased two Nexus 5s (to ensure we both got one) and before I could do my first RMA, I had to ask them to swap the Google account over to my Google account.
That was it. I don't know how the warranty system works in Romania or Germany, but don't rule it out yet!
EDIT: To follow up with the warranty process, it should not matter what country you are currently in, the warranty will follow the laws set down by the country of purchase. If you do need to do an RMA, they will ship you a new one (overnight if needed) and ask that you ship them back the old phone within x number of days or else you'll be charged full retail.
If you have questions about this, please don't hesitate to ask. Everyone deserves to have a great phone.

Will look into RMA-ing it since i have a first batch (ordered 2 weeks after launch) and some complain of poor audio on their side.. The problem is that i cannot access the device playstore from my country..
Any ideas are appreciated.

The camera issue could be caused by insufficient ram at the time of operation. U sound like u wanted to do a lot of things with it on ur trip, it could've possibly ran out of ram at the time and thus couldn't load the camera. I had the exact same problem with my galaxy s3, clearing apps with an app manager fixed the problem (I used system panel). However the n5 handles ram extremely well, never have I once been Over 1.2gb used and I use it vigorously with no ram or task manager app. Kit Kat is just awesome.
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How is the GPS

Hello everyone,
I don't know if most don't care about it or I just can't find any information about it... But how is the GPS in this phone?
I use my phone to track my runs with Endomondo, so the more accurate the GPS is, the better (also a quick fix would be preferable)
I'm undecided between the Z3c, Z3, Nexus 5 and Galaxy S5. But I can't seem to find any comparison.
Thanks in advance.

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Hello everyone,
I don't know if most don't care about it or I just can't find any information about it... But how is the GPS in this phone?
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Its smooth as ****. True I havent used it with any running programs but in G Maps its instant lock on and it hasnt steered me wrong since release.

Cross the Nexus 5 off that list if you care about GPS. That phone has a terrible problem with many of its units.

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Its smooth as ****. True I havent used it with any running programs but in G Maps its instant lock on and it hasnt steered me wrong since release.
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That's good news! Does it ever drop (loose itself) or is the location always precise? Had a GS3 with CM and it constantly dropped GPS position and Endomodo went nuts...
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Cross the Nexus 5 off that list if you care about GPS. That phone has a terrible problem with many of its units.
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Yeah I heard mixed feelings about the N5s GPS... Still think it's one of the best looking phones out there, but I can't have a phone with poor GPS accuracy...

Precise. Car usage with Google maps on three network. Greater London usage

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Precise. Car usage with Google maps on three network. Greater London usage
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Thanks for the info!
I guess I've decided what phone I'm gonna buy next! Pretty excited to switch back to Android! WP was a fun experiment but to boring

Had the Z3C with me on two cycling trips and recorded (with Mapfactor Navigator) one GPX track with about 70km and another one with some 50km. No glitches, no drops anywhere, even dense forest gave no issues at all, dead on all the way. And no, the phone was not mounted to the handlebar with clear view to the sky but in the saddlebag. Quick fix? Yes, very much so. Only takes a few seconds to find its position.
I'm really impressed from what I've seen so far and the Z3C may even outperform my Garmin Oregon 450.