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Hi,
I can only find prices for the phone with a contract on mobiles.co.uk but these do not include any data plans and It has to be with O2 who are terrible with the 500mb data limit.
Does anyone know any other place to buy the phone with a contract?
Handtec is a good place to start, but they're not listing it yet, not even on contract.
It will be available from O2 on contract and on P&Go for £379.
Do you think I will be able to use my O2 simplicity sim on the PAYG HD7? I presume it will be locked to O2 too!
Yes, the phone is locked to O2.
scently said:
It will be available from O2 on contract and on P&Go for £379.
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Do you have a list of the tariffs available at all?
tboy2000 said:
Do you think I will be able to use my O2 simplicity sim on the PAYG HD7? I presume it will be locked to O2 too!
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What about using a GiffGaff sim as they are O2 so the sim will work.
They are great if you want to use a lot of data. I think it's free Internet until the end of December - and that's totally unlimited unlike the pathetic O2 500mb which Is pointless with a cloud based Windows 7 phone.
scently said:
Yes, the phone is locked to O2.
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Any ideas how much O2 charge to officially unlock? I'm hoping there's no crappy O2 branding on the handset...
£15 pounds after 12 months on their network.
How about if you go PAYG - can you not just pay to get unlocked straight away?!
Tejstar said:
How about if you go PAYG - can you not just pay to get unlocked straight away?!
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After 12 months.
deffo my next phone, im already due an upgrade from the hd2. cant wait to see it in store
just checked on mobiles.co.uk and it seems that they have updated their shiz
http://www.mobiles.co.uk/o2-htc-hd7.html
Tariff You'll get:
O2 900
(24 months)
900 mins Any
Network Anytime + Unlimited Texts
Monthly:
£35.00
Free Gift Selection:
9 months 1/2 price
or £50 Auto Cashback
or Free PlayStation Move
Phone cost:
Free
really hoping the costs for hd7 are correct on mobiles.co.uk because when i bought my hd2 the tarrif was completely different from what it had said online
And no unlimited or capped data in the mobiles.co.uk tariff? Fail!
I am on the Simplicity SIM only 30 day contract. Last yeah when I brought my Hd2 Outright (£379), I then had it unlocked for free by O2. Took 6 weeks to get the code but it didn't cost a thing.
I expect the same for the HD7.
It is really disappointing that this phone is only available on O2 with no enough data in the plan. Worse is to buy it pay as go and locked!
Will wait for it to be released somewhere else like expansys
You could just buy it and find have it unlocked somehow.
I am on simplicity too and intend to buy the PAYG version at 379.00 but not after having a play with it in store.
So did you ask for the unlock code during purchase or after 6 weeks. And do they send it through text or email.
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So did you ask for the unlock code during purchase or after 6 weeks. And do they send it through text or email.
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Remember I am taslking about my HD2 last year. I ordered the unlock code the day after the phone arrived. It should have took 4 weeks for them to email it to me, but because it was over christmas it took longer.
I only needed the unlock code so I could use it whilst abroad on holiday.
Any Idea when this will happen. Currently my AT&T store (Orlando, Fl.) only carries 3 colors and all in 16gb. They said you need to do motomaker to get 32gb, but they aren't doing it yet!!! Any ideas??
Go to motorola.com to use the moto maker for at&t . What they mean about not doing it yet is probably them not doing it in store.
It's only available for $149 puchase contract or $549 full price. I want the AT&T next upgrade price.
Hexen302 said:
Any Idea when this will happen. Currently my AT&T store (Orlando, Fl.) only carries 3 colors and all in 16gb. They said you need to do motomaker to get 32gb, but they aren't doing it yet!!! Any ideas??
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AT&T motomaker was available at device launch. September 16th.
Go through the steps to put it in your cart on the site and you'll be shown options near the end from ATT regarding your plan.
My daughter tried to purchase a PIN to build the X from an AT&T corporate store in Merrillville IN today (10/12/14) and was told that it is "coming soon". She wants to upgrade on her existing 2 year contract because she is grandfathered into a very low rate per month with unlimited data.
Has anyone actually purchased one using this method?
I've seen various dates, all this month, that in-store codes are supposed to become available. Keep trying them unless you are willing to go with what is offered.
Trying to figure out if the at&t version will work 100%,no drops, on t-mobile network.
I saw a couple post saying that the tmobile version works on at&t and that the 2 version are almost identical *source needed*. But nothing yet saying it works the other way
Reason is I have a bunch of reward certificates and a gift card for Best Buy, I know the att version is a little more expensive $825 vs $770, but i have enough to offset the difference and still make it cheaper.
Why would you want the att version lol, cost more
No original box
No headphones
No download booster
No unlocked boot loader
I have the same question about whether or not the AT&T Note 4 will work perfectly the same as a T-mobile version on the T-mobile network. I don't know why no one has mentioned how much cheaper it is to just go set up a new AT&T account to get the discount at Best Buy. You could buy it for $300 minus the $200 trade-in promotion + $70 in sales tax. So $170, then you have $40 activation + $60 for one month service + $350 ETF after 15 days, then get it unlocked. So the total out of pocket cost for the AT&T version is $620. Why would you buy the $750 T-mobile version, which would be $815 after sales tax. You save nearly $200 after all is said and done. Am I missing anything here? I haven't seen a single person mention doing this on this forum or over at androidcentral.
pham818 said:
Why would you want the att version lol, cost more
No original box
No headphones
No download booster
No unlocked boot loader
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shadowoak said:
Trying to figure out if the at&t version will work 100%,no drops, on t-mobile network.
I saw a couple post saying that the tmobile version works on at&t and that the 2 version are almost identical *source needed*. But nothing yet saying it works the other way
Reason is I have a bunch of reward certificates and a gift card for Best Buy, I know the att version is a little more expensive $825 vs $770, but i have enough to offset the difference and still make it cheaper.
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1st post..
red_stripe05 said:
I have the same question about whether or not the AT&T Note 4 will work perfectly the same as a T-mobile version on the T-mobile network. I don't know why no one has mentioned how much cheaper it is to just go set up a new AT&T account to get the discount at Best Buy. You could buy it for $300 minus the $200 trade-in promotion + $70 in sales tax. So $170, then you have $40 activation + $60 for one month service + $350 ETF after 15 days, then get it unlocked. So the total out of pocket cost for the AT&T version is $620. Why would you buy the $750 T-mobile version, which would be $815 after sales tax. You save nearly $200 after all is said and done. Am I missing anything here? I haven't seen a single person mention doing this on this forum or over at androidcentral.
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1st post...Just sayin
red_stripe05 said:
I have the same question about whether or not the AT&T Note 4 will work perfectly the same as a T-mobile version on the T-mobile network. I don't know why no one has mentioned how much cheaper it is to just go set up a new AT&T account to get the discount at Best Buy. You could buy it for $300 minus the $200 trade-in promotion + $70 in sales tax. So $170, then you have $40 activation + $60 for one month service + $350 ETF after 15 days, then get it unlocked. So the total out of pocket cost for the AT&T version is $620. Why would you buy the $750 T-mobile version, which would be $815 after sales tax. You save nearly $200 after all is said and done. Am I missing anything here? I haven't seen a single person mention doing this on this forum or over at androidcentral.
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You are missing that you have to return the Note 4 to the manufacturer. See http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/returnpolicy.html#fbid=qD17b06g8-s
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1st post..
1st post...Just sayin
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What does have to do with anything? Ive been lurking around xda since the 1st iphone came out
Well as I said I have a bunch of money in best buy that it would make it cheaper. But, after looking around the att version forum, found out that the bootloader is locked. So im just going to buy one straight from t-mobile, once they get more in-stock
So what if its my first post? I've used these forums for years as a lurker getting info on rooting, starting with my Sprint Epic Touch 4G. I've read all the posts I can on the Note 4, and seriously just wondered why no one discusses starting a new contract to get the phone at such a steep discount. I'm not trolling anyone, although there seems to be way more uneducated/uninformed people on here than usual.
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1st post..
1st post...Just sayin
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After 15 days into a new contract with AT&T, if you want to cancel your service, you do NOT have to return the phone. To fulfill your contractual obligations, you pay the ETF. That seems to be it. You are stuck with the phone after 15 days if anything goes wrong, and yes, you would have to send it to the manufacturer for any warranty claims. But wouldn't that be the same case if you bought it without insurance anyways?
Back to the original question though, does anyone know of any issues with using the AT&T version on T-mobile once its been unlocked by AT&T? It has band 12 support, but could T-mobile pull some sort of throttling BS for it being an AT&T imei?
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You are missing that you have to return the Note 4 to the manufacturer. See
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It's NOT the t mobile version of the phone, it's their service for some reason.
I get REALLY slow speeds on my t mobile note 4, but when I used an AT&T sim card, LTE was really fast and no PROBLEMS. I can't believe anyone would even consider a NOTE 4 AT&T version....unless they like that $300+ 2 year contract deal.
re: ATT Note 4
pham818 said:
Why would you want the att version lol, cost more
No original box
No headphones
No download booster
No unlocked boot loader
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You forgot to mention "No Wifi Calling". LOL
red_stripe05 said:
I have the same question about whether or not the AT&T Note 4 will work perfectly the same as a T-mobile version on the T-mobile network. I don't know why no one has mentioned how much cheaper it is to just go set up a new AT&T account to get the discount at Best Buy. You could buy it for $300 minus the $200 trade-in promotion + $70 in sales tax. So $170, then you have $40 activation + $60 for one month service + $350 ETF after 15 days, then get it unlocked. So the total out of pocket cost for the AT&T version is $620. Why would you buy the $750 T-mobile version, which would be $815 after sales tax. You save nearly $200 after all is said and done. Am I missing anything here? I haven't seen a single person mention doing this on this forum or over at androidcentral.
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LOL where did you get the 200 from? that deal ended already...
The deal has been extended at Best Buy until November 1.
Hi I want to buy this phone, unlock it and use it for ATT.
I heard you cannot buy this phone off contract and that you must have a service with them. I hear people are just signing up for the service for one day and then cancel the day after.
Can someone explain how they did it?
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Hi I want to buy this phone, unlock it and use it for ATT.
I heard you cannot buy this phone off contract and that you must have a service with them. I hear people are just signing up for the service for one day and then cancel the day after.
Can someone explain how they did it?
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Pay full price for phone up front and buy the smallest package. After 40 days cancel the service. Some stores will sell it out right without a plan, but you will have to do some searching and calling. I had to go to 3 different stores before I found one that would sell it out right.
I read LTE and 4G dont work so well when you take it back to ATT. I read somewhere.
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I read LTE and 4G dont work so well when you take it back to ATT. I read somewhere.
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Results vary. Some say it works just as good
My LTE works perfect on AT&T.
My unlocked T Mobile Note 4 running on AT&T.
chong67 said:
I read LTE and 4G dont work so well when you take it back to ATT. I read somewhere.
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I thought the same thing. This is not the case with the Note 4. It was an issue with the Note 3 and previous devices in my experience.
martinezma99 said:
My unlocked T Mobile Note 4 running on AT&T.
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Who did you use to unlock it? im looking to pick one up and i'd rather not have to wait for tmobiles unlocking terms.
If you buy the phone out right you can unlock asap
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If you buy the phone out right you can unlock asap
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There's been conflicting reports about that.
I bought the phone outright. Paid $30 or so to cellunlocker to get an unlock code. Popped in AT&T sim and off I went. Still need to cancel Tmo service.
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There's been conflicting reports about that.
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When you purchase the phone outright you now it and can unlock it.
I bought my Note 4 outright and purchased the lowest priced package I could. I unlocked it the first day I received it, inserted my sim card from Consumer Cellular and was up and running. However, I read that T-Mobile can and have blacklisted the IMEI of phones that don't comply with their terms of service. Since I didn't read the fine print when I bought the phone and service, I decided it would be prudent to go ahead and meet the 40 service requirement to get an unlock code (although the phone is already unlocked) rather than take a chance and have some T-Mobile manager with a Napoleonic complex blacklist the phone. Then I would be out of $800.00. I asked the customer care representative about blacklisting the phone if I didn't meet the 40 day requirement and she said it was possible. I wasn't willing to take that chance. I will pony up an additional $80.00 + dollars to have peace of mind.
cartertucker said:
I bought the phone outright. Paid $30 or so to cellunlocker to get an unlock code. Popped in AT&T sim and off I went. Still need to cancel Tmo service.
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Thanks
I preordered, got phone Monday the 13th.
I unlocked with cellunlocker.net 4 days later.
Been using it on AT&T since last friday. Called and canceled tmobile same day.
Easy as that.
Sent from my SM-N910T using XDA Free mobile app
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When you purchase the phone outright you now it and can unlock it.
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Right but you make it sound like every T-Mobile store or reseller will sell you a phone outright with absolutely zero commitment of any kind like you walked in to buy a pack of gum or bought a nexus from google play store. There are conflicting reports about zero commitment purchases. The safer bet seems to be walking in with the understanding that you may have to agree to a month-to-month or prepaid contract that you can cancel a day or more later.
The best way i can think to explain it is as follows:
A few people have reported that they were able to buy it outright without service. Though many have been denied that option.
Some have implied that Tmobile then unlocked it.
A moderately safe assumption is that you can buy it with service, unlock it via third party service, and cancel your tmobile service the second u get your unlock code. This comes with the gray area of region locking and having to activate it on tmobile first to remove the region lock pior to unlocking. This can be a lengthy discussion, you might not care about region locking, I'll leave it at that, but read into it. I went this route, activated on tmobile for 4 days, then unlocked and cancelled. I say assumption because people are worried about blacklisting and T.O.S.
The most cautious method would be to wait out your 40 days per Tmobile T.O.S., in addition to the time it takes for them to send your unlock code, pay applicable fees, then cancel.
Hope this clears up the options a bit.
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T-Mobile has the IMEI of phone they sell you in their records. I confirmed it when I called them and they read it to me for confirmation purposes. They sold the phone to you and they know everything about it. Guaranteed. If their records show the phone being used on another carrier without it being activated with them or unlocked by them then they can blacklist the IMEI of the phone. That phone will then be an $800.00 paperweight. They have done it before and a quick Google search will prove it. I'm not saying they will since that seems to be an unknown, but they can and the owner of the phone will have no recourse. I sure don't want to wake up one day and find out that my $800.00 phone is dead. I might very well be wrong, but I am not willing to take that chance after paying $800.00 for the phone. I'll pay for the 40 days of service.
I just bought my Note 4 full price from AT&T after calling about 30 stores in my area and finding one store with one black model in stock. I ended up paying less than full price because of some computer error that rung up the phone $749.99 instead of $825.99. They charged me the difference so I only paid $825 outright, after taxes. All in all, I saved almost $50 (difference in tax from $750 to $825). I still feel like it is ridiculous though that the AT&T model is $80 more expensive than TMo. Is it worth buying a TMO Note 4 with their baseball discount ($30 off) and trying to unlock it to use it on AT&T? Sorry for my long comment/question.
Bought mine from swappa in a sealed pack. Opened the phone, went to Cellunlocker.com and within 10 min had my unlock code. Works great on ATT
Hi guys I want to know where can I get a tmobile note 4 without paying for tmobile plan. And I want to pay full. I want Tmobile clean esn note 4 so I can use it with Metro PCS. Ty
TMOBILE store. Tell them you wanna buy it outright.
BAD ASS NOTE 4
BACARDILIMON said:
TMOBILE store. Tell them you wanna buy it outright.
BAD ASS NOTE 4
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They want me to pay for month of service plus deposit for the first month total is close to 900 dollars.
You need to find a corporate store. Call t mobile and ask them what is the corporate store in your area so you can buy a TMOBILE phone out right. Or you might be able to do it with phone sales.
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jcervantes11 said:
They want me to pay for month of service plus deposit for the first month total is close to 900 dollars.
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http://sam.factoryoutletstore.com/cat/57210/Galaxy-Note-4-/-SM-N910.html
They not cheap
BAD ASS NOTE 4
jcervantes11 said:
Hi guys I want to know where can I get a tmobile note 4 without paying for tmobile plan. And I want to pay full. I want Tmobile clean esn note 4 so I can use it with Metro PCS. Ty
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Not if you buy it and have it shipped. You can just cancel the service before .Also you haev 14 days to use and try Tmobile
Yeah find a corporate store. I went to a tmobile inside my local shopping mall, and they told me they cannot sell me the phone outright, even though I am a tmobile customer, they told me some bs about they can't sell phones outright if it is within 2 months of release.
Luckily there are several tmobile stores around my area. Went to one and they sold me the last note 4 they had on stock.
PS: if you don't have a tmobile plan that they can link the phone to they will charge you $779 instead of $750
Failed to get one today, tried all three corporate stores in town. Two were out of stock and one wouldn't sell without a plan. I almost got the device at the first location. The salesperson was about to pull a phone for me when the manager stepped in to check on the transaction and stopped it so I walked out hoping to find it elsewhere.
I really need the device asap so I guess I'll get it with a plan tomorrow and cancel as soon as I can. Understand the desire to save devices for customers staying on plans though. It is what it is.
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jcervantes11 said:
Hi guys I want to know where can I get a tmobile note 4 without paying for tmobile plan. And I want to pay full. I want Tmobile clean esn note 4 so I can use it with Metro PCS. Ty
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The only way you can buy a N910T Note 4 without going thru Tmobile
is to go to eBay, they have new and used ones for sale there.
Check it out!
Good luck!
Misterjunky said:
The only way you can buy a N910T Note 4 without going thru Tmobile
is to go to eBay, they have new and used ones for sale there.
Check it out!
Good luck!
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and risk buying from someone who might stop paying his bill? no thanks =(
I suggest Swappa.com they check ESN's and also check if there is an outstanding balance on the phone before the list is approved.
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btort1 said:
and risk buying from someone who might stop paying his bill? no thanks =(
I suggest Swappa.com they check ESN's and also check if there is an outstanding balance on the phone before the list is approved.
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Yes you are right, I did not think of Swappa it's a good place too.
Swappa is another place you can get a Note 4 Tmobile phone.
I sold a couple phones there myself in the past couple years.
Stores are still low on stock so they have every right to reserve them for customers who are upgrading, opening new lines, or using EIP.
You'll have to wait.
I bought one at a T-mobile corporate store yesterday to use on AT&T. I had to buy a pre-pay SIM for 35$ (1 mo unlimited text/voice) in order for them to sell it to me. Wasn't a huge deal - small price to pay for a phone I can root/rom, especially given how locked down the AT&T version is.
btort1 said:
and risk buying from someone who might stop paying his bill? no thanks =(
I suggest Swappa.com they check ESN's and also check if there is an outstanding balance on the phone before the list is approved.
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I heard of people buying from swappa also getting a bad imei after 3 months... craigslist is the worst - never buy from them,
I have always bought them from ebay and then told tmobile I bought I straight out, and put insurance, then waited 2 or 3 weeks, and said something is wrong, it keeps rebooting, I reset it 3 or 4 times, and please send me a replacement for $5.... then when I get the replacement it has a good tmobile imei.... that is my trick...
I would buy it straight at tmobile and put the cheapest plan they have for 40 days, so u can have the sim unlocked, then goto whatever company u want,
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I heard of people buying from swappa also getting a bad imei after 3 months... craigslist is the worst - never buy from them,
I have always bought them from ebay and then told tmobile I bought I straight out, and put insurance, then waited 2 or 3 weeks, and said something is wrong, it keeps rebooting, I reset it 3 or 4 times, and please send me a replacement for $5.... then when I get the replacement it has a good tmobile imei.... that is my trick...
I would buy it straight at tmobile and put the cheapest plan they have for 40 days, so u can have the sim unlocked, then goto whatever company u want,
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"told tmobile I bought I straight out, and put insurance" what do you mean told them you put insurance? don't they check while your in the phone with them when you ask for a replacement?
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"told tmobile I bought I straight out, and put insurance" what do you mean told them you put insurance? don't they check while your in the phone with them when you ask for a replacement?
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When I bought my tmobile note 3 on ebay... I went to the tmobile store, and had them put insurance on the phone, pay $8 for that...
they asked where did u buy it, I told them on another tmobile store,
I play stupid and say, I didn't put insurance at the time of purchase, and my cousin said put insurance on it, told them that, and they see the phone in excellent condition and they put the insurance on the phone,..
wait 2 or 3 weeks, and tell them u have been having problems with the phone restarting on its own... let them know you already reset the phone 3 or 4 times during the week to see if it solve the issue. but that it is still giving you problems..... can you please send me a replacement phone..
once they send u a replacement phone, they charge you $5, and you send the old one back... once you have the replacement it will be a good imei that T-Mobile sent, and u will never have a problems with imei again.. then u can have the sim unlocked.
I bought 2 note 3's, mine and my wife in march, she still has the note 3... I sold mine for $400 to a co-worker the day after I got my note 4...
I have done that before with other phones also, whenever I buy from ebay... I leave the insurance on my plan. the phone is worth the $8 a month.
I bought my note 4 on the jump for 0 down and the installment plan for $31 and change, paid the taxes for $50 something. all I have to do is pay it off, and drop the insurance to $8 and I can have it unlocked after its paid off.
mdiaz33685 said:
When I bought my tmobile note 3 on ebay... I went to the tmobile store, and had them put insurance on the phone, pay $8 for that...
they asked where did u buy it, I told them on another tmobile store,
I play stupid and say, I didn't put insurance at the time of purchase, and my cousin said put insurance on it, told them that, and they see the phone in excellent condition and they put the insurance on the phone,..
wait 2 or 3 weeks, and tell them u have been having problems with the phone restarting on its own... let them know you already reset the phone 3 or 4 times during the week to see if it solve the issue. but that it is still giving you problems..... can you please send me a replacement phone..
once they send u a replacement phone, they charge you $5, and you send the old one back... once you have the replacement it will be a good imei that T-Mobile sent, and u will never have a problems with imei again.. then u can have the sim unlocked.
I bought 2 note 3's, mine and my wife in march, she still has the note 3... I sold mine for $400 to a co-worker the day after I got my note 4...
I have done that before with other phones also, whenever I buy from ebay... I leave the insurance on my plan. the phone is worth the $8 a month.
I bought my note 4 on the jump for 0 down and the installment plan for $31 and change, paid the taxes for $50 something. all I have to do is pay it off, and drop the insurance to $8 and I can have it unlocked after its paid off.
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Ahh I see, got it thanks!
Luckily for me, my sister bought my note 4 and shes asking for $200 AND I sold my S5 from at&t for about $390 :good:
Rent-a-Center believe it or not...has them at cash price... same model # just with tMobile crap out of rom
irishmn69 said:
Rent-a-Center believe it or not...has them at cash price... same model # just with tMobile crap out of rom
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They have them but the cash price locally was $890
I went in to a Tmo store today and told them my brother is coming into town next week for Thanksgiving and I wanted to get him one for his Christmas present, which we exchange that day since we are all together. I told him he has Tmo, but that I obviously dont' want anything on there about it so he might find out early. He told me it costs about $10 more and I said that is fine. I said hell I'm paying $800 on his present, what's ten more. I had my AT&T version that I was going to take back with me. I pulled it out and said I bought mine today and love it so much I wanted to get him one too. They were very nice and actually gave me a T-shirt and some other stuff to give him as well. And FU AT&T...Tmo gives you headphones you cheap bastages. Now I'm just waiting for my unlock code and I'll be in business. Always be friendly and happy. I told them once "If you can't then I understand. I'll take him to a store next week. I just wanted to have the actual present on hand". They bit it hook, line, and sinker.
Got mine for my prepaid plan full price at BestBuy.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/t-mobil...1015007&pid=1219459037265&pcatId=abcat0801002