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Hi all, ive been reading some reviews on the td2 and they all mention that the screen performs very poor in direct sunlight.
How bad is the device on a sunny day outdoors?
Im just abit worried that if i get this device i wont be able to see anything on the screen when im outside
hi ,
to me , that isn't that bad in a sunny day outdoor.
just better than Diamond1.
Just recieved my TD2, and the display under direct sunlight is very poor (as almost all LCD with backlight - only a purely reflective screen look nice under sunlight). Not sure the TD2 is even semi-reflective, i have (slightly) better readability with an my older acer n311 or ipaq 2210, which are transflective iirc. TD2 maybe transmisive only....
That being said, it is readable, especially if you choose light background and black text. I am able to read ebooks and to see map main roads under direct sunlight, and it is the only thing I really ask of.
So it is usable, just usable. Do not expect any kind of image quality under sunlight: forget about movie or showing your last family photos to friends, but if like me, the only thing u ask is to be able to check your phone state and read, then it's ok...
I've heard so many mixed perspectives.
The way I see it, S-OLED should be the best in the bunch.
Followed by OLED and then TFT..
I've heard about the nexus display looking "unnatural" from engadget, whatever that means..
Some people are saying that the upcoming sprint evo 4g has a brighter and simply better (4.3") screen.
Apart from the size, the screen technology is just TFT.
In the computer LCD world, i have heard more bad than good about TFT, so what's the deal?
Right now I have a 24" 1080p TFT LCD Monitor, and I think it's beautiful.
I haven't had much to compare it to though.
It's not the greatest screen I've seen, but it's definitely nice.
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
On the flip side, the Nexus One's vibrancy is hands down better. While watching movies on the HD2, I loved the size of the image, but to be honest, I prefer the color of the Nexus One's screen.
Outside in the sunlight, the HD2 wins. It still gets horrible glare, but no where near as bad as the Nexus One.
With all of that being said, I prefer the Nexus One's screen. Not going to talk about the size differences and their pros and cons, because that's a separate subject altogether. I'm mostly indoors for my job, and being a graphics designer, I enjoy the contrast that the OLED screen can deliver. It's not exactly color accurate, but since this is a phone and not being used as a design device, it doesn't matter...it looks gorgeous. So long as people don't appear as orange aliens, I enjoy the contrast. (Go stare at some of the TVs on display in major retail stores...they jack the contrast up to ridiculous levels to try to wow the viewer, but make things look downright stupid)
I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
azalex86 said:
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
topdnbass said:
I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
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I believe they are the same screen in both devices, but could be wrong. We'll have to wait until they can do a proper side by side with the exact same lightness settings.
A 4.3" Super AMOLED screen would be nice. I would never buy a phone with a bigger display than that, because it would become uncomfortable to use, and at that point, you might as well just buy a tablet.
Settembrini said:
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
rockky said:
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are anti-glare protectors that help eliminate some of the glare by dispursing it better, but even then it's still pretty bad. The main issue is due to having no backlight like a TFT.
GlenH said:
I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
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No, there is nothing wrong with the colour calibration. Girlfriend has also got a Nexus and I have seen others and even on photos here on the internet you can see the unnatural colours of the screen.
Have a look at the first post where you can find the question, if it were true that the colours are unnatural referring to Engadget. And yes, the colours are unnatural. I like the Nexus, do not get me wrong, but I do not like the colours of AMOLED screens. They are awful.
rockky said:
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are definitely protectors that do that, but I don't like the feel of anything but glass on a touch screen.. That's just me though.
Hey I noticed in your sig that you have an iphone and nexus, how would you compare the two? The screen and everything else (you should make another thread for that though).
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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Damn that's pretty bad, cause with the TFT on my G1 I always had to turn it up to max to get a decent display.
So assuming the HD2 is similar (same technology), then AMOLED must be pretty bad in sunlight.
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I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Lol, spy pics.
big_adventure said:
I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
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I know the AMOLED's are pretty great indoors, but when you say incredibly bright... If viewing late at night in bed for example, is it too bright even on the lowest setting?
I'd like a phone that can be very dim or very bright.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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i personally love it..the colors pop out they look gorgeous
Compared to TFT capacitive screens Amoled are less good under sunlight but they are still usable and certainly much more than HTC WM phones like Diamond and Touch HD
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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You seem to put a lot of faith in what Engadget says. I'm not saying that everything is perfectly flat, but I have a few hundred perfectly-exposed photos from my Nikon D90, all taken with pro glass, on my Nexus, and the colors are not bad at all. They are, well, let's call them "well saturated", but nothing remotely unpleasant - to be honest, given the tiny screen (I take photos be be blown up BIG), the saturation is probably an advantage. And they look notably, even considerably better on the N1 than on an iPhone / iPod touch third-gen.
All of that is my opinion - and I like saturated colors. But I also like skin that still looks like skin, and the N1 delivers that to my eyes.
Gee, didn't I say that it is my opinion and that others might think differently? What you call saturated colours I call unnatural and for me and maybe only for me the colours are an eyesore, but I like the Nexus nevertheless.
big_adventure, you gave me a thought.
I think the best way to really compare these technologies is to have the same image of something, like a HQ picture of your skin.
On both of the phones.
Then compare the output to eachother and to the real life color of your skin.
I said to compare to eachother because a cameras snapshot can change the color, flash, settings, and what not.
Sounds stupid, but maybe what some people define as unnatural on a display, is actually quite natural.
Don't compare how the android OS looks, compare an image within the OS.
vegetaleb said:
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Well, if you are going to be wandering around a beach at midnight you probably won't run into too many girls to take pictures of. And they'd probably notice the flash going off so it wouldn't be much of a "spy shot".
(Edit: To be fair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight mentions that am/pm by definition don't make any sense for noon and midnight and are thus often confused. But, the sources it quotes that do assign meaning to 12am and 12pm all seem to call 12am midnight and 12pm noon. It's probably why most of the parking signs in SF are now starting to use "12:01am" when they want to talk about late night street cleaning restrictions...that, and the fact that 12am is also ambiguous as to whether it refers to the start of a day or the end of a day...)
Im considering getting an HD7. I had a chance to play with a quantum an fell in love with WP7. I was one who was on the Evo bandwagon, and bought a launch phone (I ended up returning it and switching to tmobile). When that phone launched, every blog, review, and post was raving about how AMAZING the screen was. Now, the same screen is in the HD7 and it seems like everyone thinks its garbage. Whats the deal? The evo's been out what, 6 months? Did everyone's eyes just just get used to the ridiculously over saturated colors of the galaxy s super amoled or what?
I've never used the EVO; I love my HD7 but the screen sucks. Point blank. The screen on the HD7 looks like the screen I had on my greyscale palm-pilot 10 years ago. It's not just the fact that its ridiculously reflective; it's very poor at producing colors and the viewing angles are really limited.
I think the best way to describe it would be like those old laptop screen that had a back light lamp.
Again I'm coming from the HD2 and a long line of HTC phones. I really liked the screen on the HD2. You know a screen is good when you rarely ever have to think about it. with the HD7 . . . . . you always do.
Im not sure I understand, dont the HD2 and HD7 share the same screen?
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Im not sure I understand, dont the HD2 and HD7 share the same screen?
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No! Not in the slightest.
I have an HTC HD 7 and am quiet Happy with the screen quality, although Ihavent used any of your guys phones..
THe mere fact that the screen size is 4:3 makes me love it so much i dont even feel like using my computer any more
I have had an HD2, VIBRANT AND HD7... I like the HD7's screen the best... to each his own.
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.. to each his own.
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Very true buddy
I went from the HD2 to HD7. I think the screens are close in terms of quality. I have noticed that if I leave the brightness on the HD7 set to auto it's too dim for me. I prefer a clear, bright screen but I am sure I will pay in battery life (which already seems better in the HD7).
alabij said:
I've never used the EVO; I love my HD7 but the screen sucks. Point blank. The screen on the HD7 looks like the screen I had on my greyscale palm-pilot 10 years ago. It's not just the fact that its ridiculously reflective; it's very poor at producing colors and the viewing angles are really limited.
I think the best way to describe it would be like those old laptop screen that had a back light lamp.
Again I'm coming from the HD2 and a long line of HTC phones. I really liked the screen on the HD2. You know a screen is good when you rarely ever have to think about it. with the HD7 . . . . . you always do.
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You should return yours. There's something wrong with it. The HD7 screen is among the best there is, period. I have an HD7 and an HD2 and find the image quality to be purely superb and the definition much better than any OLED.
Here is how you discern the truth about some people, the ones who are being purely trollish will not want you to see for yourselves. I highly recommend to anyone who gives the slightest consideration to what this poster is saying go see for themselves. T-Mobile has the Galaxy S, which has an AMOLED, and the HD7, which has the superb LCD. Compare both phones side by side and make sure to look at text definition. You won't find a better looking normal LCD in the market than what the HD7 has.
MartyLK said:
You should return yours. There's something wrong with it. The HD7 screen is among the best there is, period. I have an HD7 and an HD2 and find the image quality to be purely superb and the definition much better than any OLED.
Here is how you discern the truth about some people, the ones who are being purely trollish will not want you to see for yourselves. I highly recommend to anyone who gives the slightest consideration to what this poster is saying go see for themselves. T-Mobile has the Galaxy S, which has an AMOLED, and the HD7, which has the superb LCD. Compare both phones side by side and make sure to look at text definition. You won't find a better looking normal LCD in the market than what the HD7 has.
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You are a moron for calling me a troll. I can't find a better way to articulate. You might just be the troll for pissing me off. As you can see from my post I clearly stated it as my observation and I used my past experiences for comparison.
That doesn't make me right or wrong. It's clearly my perception based on the OP's question. You obviously have yours.
Then again you could just be a 10 year old in your mom's basement and I fell for your comment. in that case you got me kid.
alabij said:
You are a moron for calling me a troll. I can't find a better way to articulate. You might just be the troll for pissing me off. As you can see from my post I clearly stated it as my observation and I used my past experiences for comparison.
That doesn't make me right or wrong. It's clearly my perception based on the OP's question. You obviously have yours.
Then again you could just be a 10 year old in your mom's basement and I fell for your comment. in that case you got me kid.
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You made a generalization about all HD7s rather than saying *yours* looked bad to you. And I didn't call you a troll. I made a comment about how to discern trolls.
You need to chill.
alabij said:
You are a moron for calling me a troll. I can't find a better way to articulate. You might just be the troll for pissing me off. As you can see from my post I clearly stated it as my observation and I used my past experiences for comparison.
That doesn't make me right or wrong. It's clearly my perception based on the OP's question. You obviously have yours.
Then again you could just be a 10 year old in your mom's basement and I fell for your comment. in that case you got me kid.
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You are obviously a bitter person that just needs to relax. Calling people morons and trolls and 10 year boys just makes yourself seem offensive and childish. It is what is so don't accuse someone for being a troll just because he directed an opinion at you.
I'm sorry no one here agrees with your argument but that doesnt mean you should build up so much pent up anger to lash out at the first person that makes a comment against you.
Though i think there is something that the rest of us can agree on: you, sir, are a complete douche.
I like the screen on the Hd7, are the viewing angles bad? Well yes...depending on what phone you are coming from. In my case I'm coming from the Nexus One. In my own opinion I think the Hd7 screen is a lot more sharper than the screen on the Nexus One. Remember you are not going to carry around two phones in your pocket to compare screens all day long. Just my 2 Cents.
bofett said:
I went from the HD2 to HD7. I think the screens are close in terms of quality. I have noticed that if I leave the brightness on the HD7 set to auto it's too dim for me. I prefer a clear, bright screen but I am sure I will pay in battery life (which already seems better in the HD7).
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Hey! have you run any comparisons to see if there was a radical difference in battery life. From what I gather with a dark background theme the difference in battery is minimal but with the light which I use there would be a significant difference.
If you do not play games or watch your email 10,000 times a day there is not going to be a significant increase in battery use, but if you do you may shorten to just the 8 hours of business hours.
Anyway the screen is absolutely great, that was the reason I wanted the HD7 compared to these over saturated color phones which look great when you see a demo but you get quickly bored by the non-natural feel of the colors. the HD7 is very natural, has a good viewing angle (I don't think anyone plans on looking it at more than like 20-30 degrees on the side and still is very readable.
the size, the quality, the good sensitive touch (sometime maybe a little too sensitive) that's the best screen around.
It is a bit bland to me however
i have been using a Samsung Captivate for so long
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is just...dim
I still have the HD2 and had the HD7 and did 2 comparisons. First I loaded Transformers from the HD2 on to the HD7 and put them side by side and compared the images. No discernable difference. Second comparison was with a Samsung Focus screen at an at&t kiosk. There's no other way to say it, the HD7 screen looked like complete rubbish, dull screen, dim colours. On its own the HD7 might seem impressive, but put it up against the Focus or any other modern screen (like on the iphone) and the absolute crappiness of the screen is abundantly clear. There's just no contest when it comes to the screen quality, and when you consider that HTC's WP7 devices are the least well regarded for various reasons (with the HD7 going so far as to have the same camera bug as the HD2 did) I dont think there's any doubt that HTC didnt put much effort into their WP7 lineup and its no surprise the screen is not well regarded. As good as WP7 is, the HD7 is not a comparably good device.
After doing that screen comparison with the focus I returned mine today and ordered a Dell Venue Pro for the same price.
I actually think that the screen quality is pretty good when compared to the majority of LCD based phones. I don't have a lot of experience with oled but look forward to comparing the on order venue pro against my HD7. I have played extensively with my friends galaxy s phone but do not own one.
I do notice some motion blur while scrolling quickly with certain color schemes though. I also recommend setting the screen brightness to medium. I have not experienced a noticeable amount of battery difference with moderate use but there is a noticeable improvement in quality. The auto brightness of this phone is one of the dimmest I have ever seen. Overall I would give it around a 7.5 with the Pioneer Elite 111 as my reference in the background.
You just said it yourself...You used
"Super Amoled" on the Focus and retina display on iphone 4
I have both a mytouch 4g(that i am returning) and
a HD7 and i notice nothing majorly different
As well as a Droid X that a colleague has....Not a big difference
http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-hd7-vs-samsung-focusdaylight-performance/
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Hey guys,
I already mentioned this in the German thread, however it may concern a couple of more people.
I just received my replacement. The reason I ordered one was I got 2-3 tiny little bright spots close to the top right corner on the display. Exactly they are located on the opposite side of the back camera. These pixels are brighter than all others. Though the spots are very tiny you can notice them e.g. if I look closely at the Google search bar on your home screen. It's not that they are disturbing me but I feel on a new device there should not be such issues. You never know how far this is going to get.
So, the today's device is made in Jan 2013 and it has the same spots. I want to ask if anyone of you has the same issue. Just download a pixel test app ( e.g. Dead Pixel Test by Ossibus Software) and look at that area at different angles and colors. I attached a picture to get a better feeling of what I mean.
Max
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me_max said:
Hey guys,
I already mentioned this in the German thread, however it may concern a couple of more people.
I just received my replacement. The reason I ordered one was I got 2-3 tiny little bright spots close to the top right corner on the display. Exactly they are located on the opposite side of the back camera. These pixels are brighter than all others. Though the spots are very tiny you can notice them e.g. if I look closely at the Google search bar on your home screen. It's not that they are disturbing me but I feel on a new device there should not be such issues. You never know how far this is going to get.
So, the today's device is made in Jan 2013 and it has the same spots. I want to ask if anyone of you has the same issue. Just download a pixel test app ( e.g. Dead Pixel Test by Ossibus Software) and look at that area at different angles and colors. I attached a picture to get a better feeling of what I mean.
Max
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Sometimes it is better not to go looking for these tiny flaws as often we find them.
LCD panels do have flaws, and a certain number will leave the factory with some broken pixels, some good information here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defective_pixel
Some applications claim to fix these pixels by flashing the screen with lots of colours, and they seem to work for some people, typically however the pixels are intermittently broken and would have probably just started working anyway!
Manufacturers of LCD panels let a certain amount of screens through with broken pixels simply because otherwise they would be throwing too many away and so their cost would be considerably higher.
I'm not sure if yours are broken pixels however. How are you seeing these? If you are cranking the brightness up to full and viewing a dark colour you can often see tiny pin holes of light, and this is just tiny flaws in the filters which are so thinly applied tiny breaks happen, which you wouldn't see in typical use. You'll never find a screen 100% perfect if it is this you are seeing.
What do you see if you have a dark black background and the phone on normal brightness? Pixels stuck in the "on" position would be very clearly visible. On a white background stuck "off" pixels would be clearly visible, either by showing a tiny black dot, or typically a dot of a different colour.
If you can't notice them in typical use, just don't go looking for them :good:
If they are stuck pixels you have been unlucky, and the only option is another RMA.
Regards
Phil
Had a "hot pixel" almost in the same place as yours when I got the phone is December. RMAed it and the replacement is looking good now.
PhilipL said:
Hi
Sometimes it is better not to go looking for these tiny flaws as often we find them.
Regards
Phil
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This is good advice. My last 4 phones (captivate, atrix, gnex and N4) all had some kind of defect with the screen. Captivate had slight burn in, atrix and gnex had black spots that can be seen with brightness on lowest in dark room and my N4 has minor screen bleed under the camera.
Its not hard to find problems with LCDs if you look close enough but none of the defects i had could be seen with normal usage so i didnt bother to return them. There is a chance that you will get a replacement with worst defects not to mention all the hassle of having to do a rma. But then again this is xda where people freak out when they see a scratch on the screen.
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I'm not sure if yours are broken pixels however. How are you seeing these? If you are cranking the brightness up to full and viewing a dark colour you can often see tiny pin holes of light, and this is just tiny flaws in the filters which are so thinly applied tiny breaks happen, which you wouldn't see in typical use. You'll never find a screen 100% perfect if it is this you are seeing.
What do you see if you have a dark black background and the phone on normal brightness? Pixels stuck in the "on" position would be very clearly visible. On a white background stuck "off" pixels would be clearly visible, either by showing a tiny black dot, or typically a dot of a different colour.
If you can't notice them in typical use, just don't go looking for them :good:
If they are stuck pixels you have been unlucky, and the only option is another RMA.
Regards
Phil
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Thanks, mate.
When it's black I only see light bleeding from the top. Therefore, they are not dead. I believe, during the manufacturing process a layer behind the the pixel gets damaged. I filed for another replacement. However, I don't think it'll get better.
As some of the Note3 members may remember, I made a big thread in Note3 General Forum in regard to the display quality of the Note3,
you can find it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786
Also, I made similar ones on note2 and generally about AMOLED development over time.
So, as I got my new Note4 (Snapdragon) yesterday (from Amazon Germany), it's time to take a closer look on the AMOLED of this brand
new device.
My first impressions are:
The display is overall way better in terms of color shift when tilting the screen, but:
At least on my first device there is a noticable shift in brightness on the right side of the screen, especially on the lower half of the screen.
On dark grey backgrounds (as for example the XDA app with the dark theme has) you can see a contrast or brightness loss on the lower
right corner.
But my unit has an other, more dramatic flaw: On the left side of the screen, just where the lower end of the volume rocker is located, there
is a 0,5mm area of the screen, where it seems like there is something between the screen and the glass, but there is nothing! on light backgrounds
the spot gets darker, on dark backgrounds the spot gets brighter > very annoying!!
But I guess this is a non common flaw, which is really bad luck and has nothing to do with the uneveness mentioned above.
The funny thing is, this time I really thought I wouldn't have to switch devices, because the screen is otherwise really fine, but the spot-flaw
ruins it for me...
So I ordered a replacement today at amazon, as soon as I have this second device I can compare the two in regard to the AMOLED quality,
and then I will update this post!
What are your first experiences with the screen?
Regards,
Markus
Update 19.10.2014
Got my second device on Friday, and I've seen a third device from a friend:
My second device has a better screen in regard to uniformity (no darker right side of the screen), but: it is darker and has a slightly red tint when
viewed from the center. Also, the color shift is worse when tilting the device.
When I lay my three devices (note3, 2xnote4) side by side, enter *#0*# and compare the screens (walking around, looking from different angles),
then my hand-selected note3 has FAR the best performance in terms of neutral white, and tilting color shift is much less then on both note4.
the device from my friend has a worser red tint when looking straight on, but again tilting performance is better then my second device (although
not as good as on my note3)
conclusio so far:
.) note4 has worser tilting performance (color shift when tilting the device) as note3 (maybe due to higher PPI)
.) again, there are huge differences between different devices >> display lottery is back once again!
Update 02.11.2014:
After seeing a lot more of Note4 devices I'm now finally sure that on Note4 the displays vary a lot. "Perfect screens" are very rare, the best one
I've seen so far was on display in a "MediaMarkt" Store in VIenna. It was a display unit (without radio module), but the screen was a lot better then
on my current Note4. White was much more stable when tilting the device...
Today I had the idea of writing to "DisplayMate", because they tested a lot of Samsung AMOLED devices and their reviews always praise this screens
very much. Would be interesting what they would say to our issues:
Here is the mail I wrote them:
Von: TML1504
Gesendet: Sonntag, 02. November 2014 22:25
An: '[email protected]'
Betreff: Samsung Note4 Display Quality (XDA)
Wichtigkeit: Hoch
Dear ladies and gentlemen,
I’m writing to you because you compare and evaluate display devices and rate their screens.
I know your evaluations since years, and I like your scientific approach.
Let me give you a short description of myself:
I’m a consumer electronics freak with a plethora of devices, mostly from Samsung (I do not like
Apples overestimated marketing crap) and I’m especially a freak when it comes to displays. I
owned several AMOLED devices so far (Galaxy S1, S2, S3, Note1-4, Tab7-7, Tab-S(both)) and with
ALL of them I have to exchange them 2-8 (!) times to get one with a decent screen. Trust me, the
devices you get are cherry-picked from Samsung, or if you bought them randomly you must have
been VERY lucky!
I’ve a MSc in engineering and I hold product development lectures at university, so I know what
I’m talking about tech und manufacturing. Believe me, Samsung has big issues when it comes to
display quality. Their luck is that most people do not compare identical devices, therefore most
people would think their screen is ok and not bother.
So, what is the problem:
As you can see here on XDA developers:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/2-white-tones-screen-t2926527
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/colour-tint-screen-t2909552
There are some threads in regard to this problem, as well as pictures.
I for myself created one huge thread for Note4:http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365
And for Note3 as well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786
If you search you would find a lot of other threads in regard to Samsung’s AMOLED screens.
In short: The displays of otherwise identical units differ A LOT in terms of display quality. If you
buy 10 Note4 devices you will get perhaps 1-2 with a perfect screen, all other devices would
suffer from bad viewing angles (HUGE discoloration when tilting), uneven brightness distribution
(yellow corners, especially right side of the screen and lower half), or very different white tone
when straight viewing on. I did this since note2 this way: Purchase a few devices, select the one
with the best screen and return the others.
I think this has mainly two manufacturing reasons:
1) The panels are cut out of a wafer. Screens from the center of the wafer are perfect, screens
from the side regions suffer from uneven color and/or brightness distribution depending from
where of the wafer they have been cut
2) Uneven or otherwise not proper coating of the screen. A too thick layer perhaps could cause color
problems.
Nevertheless, what bothers me a little bit is that you do not mention any of this in your reviews, and
people think they have a perfect screen. It would be nice if you response to this issues and at least tell
us what your opinion about the reason for such huge quality issues is.
I will post this mail also on XDA, if you want to you can reply directly there.
Thank you for your otherwise brilliant work!
Best regards,
Markus
Update 11.11.2014: Reply from displaymate
Von: DisplayMate Support <[email protected]>
Gesendet: Montag, 10. November 2014 16:25
An: Markus
Betreff: Re: Samsung Note4 Display Quality (XDA)
Thanks for your Email. Feel free to post this.
We get many Emails like yours with every display review article that we publish, with readers sending in comments and sometimes screen shots of their display, or even multiple displays side-by-side to accentuate the differences.
For our public article series we publish the results that we obtain. There is no question that there are always some defective units, substandard calibrations, variations between production lots and within production lots, variations in display performance, variations between displays from multiple suppliers and manufactured in different factories. We have no way to evaluate the scale, frequency, and validity of these issues based on reader Emails so we don't discuss them. All products, from displays to cars, have quality control and variation issues - consumers know this. We simply tell people that if the display is unsatisfactory then return it for exchange or refund.
For LCDs, a well known issue is the variation in the White LEDs used in the backlight - their color, brightness, and power efficiency all vary significantly. Manufacturers pay varying premiums to have the White LEDs pre-sorted into similar performance classes for their products.
We get many more Emails from unhappy iPhone and iPad customers than any other manufacturer. One possible source is that Apple uses many different suppliers for their displays. However, over a one year product cycle we may test a dozen iPhone and iPad units that are sent to us from multiple sources (including Apple competitors), and over many years we have never found any significant variations in display performance in our lab tests. I don't doubt that there are always some quality control and performance variations, but we have never seen any in the large number of Apple products that we have tested.
We don't get many Emails regarding Samsung OLED displays. Most seem to be the result of the sender leaving it in one of the default Vivid modes instead of the accurate (Cinema, Movie or Basic) mode that we use in our tests. Samsung is a single source manufacturer so that is not an issue. We also test many Samsung OLED devices (including many supplied by Samsung competitors) and have never seen any significant display performance variations within a given model. Again, I don't doubt that there are always some quality control and performance variations, but we have never seen any in the large number of Samsung OLED products that we have tested.
In any case, for our public article series we publish the display results that we obtain in our lab.
While it is difficult to get an objective statistical measure of the frequency and size of display performance variations, I highly encourage you to publicize this issue, perhaps via a youtube channel that can act as a central clearing house for this display issue.
Raymond Soneira
President of DisplayMate Technologies Corporation
Tel: 603-672-8500 Web: http://www.displaymate.com
TML1504 said:
As some of the Note3 members may remember, I made a big thread in Note3 General Forum in regard to the display quality of the Note3,
you can find it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786
Also, I made similar ones on note2 and generally about AMOLED development over time.
So, as I got my new Note4 (Snapdragon) yesterday (from Amazon Germany), it's time to take a closer look on the AMOLED of this brand
new device.
My first impressions are:
The display is overall way better in terms of color shift when tilting the screen, but:
At least on my first device there is a noticable shift in brightness on the right side of the screen, especially on the lower half of the screen.
On dark grey backgrounds (as for example the XDA app with the dark theme has) you can see a contrast or brightness loss on the lower
right corner.
But my unit has an other, more dramatic flaw: On the left side of the screen, just where the lower end of the volume rocker is located, there
is a 0,5mm area of the screen, where it seems like there is something between the screen and the glass, but there is nothing! on light backgrounds
the spot gets darker, on dark backgrounds the spot gets brighter > very annoying!!
But I guess this is a non common flaw, which is really bad luck and has nothing to do with the uneveness mentioned above.
The funny thing is, this time I really thought I wouldn't have to switch devices, because the screen is otherwise really fine, but the spot-flaw
ruins it for me...
So I ordered a replacement today at amazon, as soon as I have this second device I can compare the two in regard to the AMOLED quality,
and then I will update this post!
What are your first experiences with the screen?
Regards,
Markus
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what you are describing is called backlight bleeding
hello00 said:
what you are describing is called backlight bleeding
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Erm... What you are describing is completely false. Amoled screens don't have backlights.
Warren.D said:
Erm... What you are describing is completely false. Amoled screens don't have backlights.
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true nvm that
hello00 said:
what you are describing is called backlight bleeding
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Except Amoled has no backlight.
pete4k said:
Except Amoled has no backlight.
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@TML1504, Hey! I do remember your thread at the note 3's forum, was pretty awesome buddy made me change 4 n3's of mine to get a decent display due that that xD 1 thing I'd like to know is does the red still changes to orange even by tilting it a lil bit like on the N3, Ty.
RuchRha said:
@TML1504, Hey! I do remember your thread at the note 3's forum, was pretty awesome buddy made me change 4 n3's of mine to get a decent display due that that xD 1 thing I'd like to know is does the red still changes to orange even by tilting it a lil bit like on the N3, Ty.
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Yes.
RuchRha said:
@TML1504, Hey! I do remember your thread at the note 3's forum, was pretty awesome buddy made me change 4 n3's of mine to get a decent display due that that xD 1 thing I'd like to know is does the red still changes to orange even by tilting it a lil bit like on the N3, Ty.
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Yes it does. The colour shift on the note 4 is bad. I still don't understand why reviews are not really mentioning it.
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Warren.D said:
Yes.
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toadsurfer said:
Yes it does. The colour shift on the note 4 is bad. I still don't understand why reviews are not really mentioning it.
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Now that's very disappointing :/
RuchRha said:
Now that's very disappointing :/
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Yes it is. For me it almost detracts from all the good points about the screen; no point harping on about perfect colour accuracy if you can only see that when viewing the screen from exactly 90 degrees.
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Yeah..it happen to me also..seem like at the right bottom the screen turn into pink white a bit at white background color..but it much better than my note 3..
Id suppose the same screen issues are on the Note 4 as well, lottery time.. I really like the note 4 due to the design but the lottery makes me think twice but maybe ill get it at a later date I wonder though how good are the dark greys on the Note 4, on the note 3 its terrible.
The screen on my device is flawless, I've loaded up that picture of all the wool and everything stands out clearly and vividly. Red is red and Orange is Orange etc.. if I tilt the screen any direction nothing changes, it's perfect.
I've seen six Note 4 phones in various Best Buy stores. All of them had noticeable shifting of colors when tilting the phone left or right, and it did not take much tilting to notice. I've played the screen lottery too many times with Apple products, and the thought of doing it ever again with any product doesn't make me happy.
I'm currently out of contract and was 100% sure that the Note 4 was my next phone. Now I'm not so sure. I have a lot of tolerance for issues that can come up with this technology, but screen quality is not one of those issues.
Disappointing.
The thing is, when looking at any new device, one of the top complaints seems to be screen quality. If I rule out every device because of screen quality, I'll just be stuck on my S3 forever.
I guess I'm on the fence.
Maybe my eyesight is not so good :laugh:
I had the exact same problem with my first N3 that I got. I took it in to at&t and showed them and they replaced it. You couldn't see it on every "screen" but once you could it was evident that something wasn't right.
I too have this problem with colour shift on my Note 4, Can this issue be fixed with a software update?
I never had this problem on the Note 3
OP updated
Update 19.10.2014
Got my second device on Friday, and I've seen a third device from a friend:
My second device has a better screen in regard to uniformity (no darker right side of the screen), but: it is darker and has a slightly red tint when
viewed from the center. Also, the color shift is worse when tilting the device.
When I lay my three devices (note3, 2xnote4) side by side, enter *#0*# and compare the screens (walking around, looking from different angles),
then my hand-selected note3 has FAR the best performance in terms of neutral white, and tilting color shift is much less then on both note4.
the device from my friend has a worser red tint when looking straight on, but again tilting performance is better then my second device (although
not as good as on my note3)
conclosio so far:
.) note4 has worser tilting performance (color shift when tilting the device) as note3 (maybe due to higher PPI)
.) again, there are huge differences between different devices >> display lottery is back once again!
Can the colour shift be fixed by a update?