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I have a dilemma in that I am on ATT, and I don't pay for my service but have an upgrade available and want to get a note 4 on tmobile for the unlocked bootloader, because the ATT note 4 has a locked bootloader. My plan is to buy a note 4 on ATT, sell it, than use the money to buy a note 4 on tmobile outright through a friend that is on tmobile. I went into a tmobile store to ask about this, and they told me to unlock a phone like the note 4, it would take about one month. I do not know if that is true, but I do not want to wait one month.. My question is that once I would root a tmobile note 4, is there a way to unlock the phone via a software hack?
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I have a dilemma in that I am on ATT, and I don't pay for my service but have an upgrade available and want to get a note 4 on tmobile for the unlocked bootloader, because the ATT note 4 has a locked bootloader. My plan is to buy a note 4 on ATT, sell it, than use the money to buy a note 4 on tmobile outright through a friend that is on tmobile. I went into a tmobile store to ask about this, and they told me to unlock a phone like the note 4, it would take about one month. I do not know if that is true, but I do not want to wait one month.. My question is that once I would root a tmobile note 4, is there a way to unlock the phone via a software hack?
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No there isn't, but there are pay services available to sim unlock. Also, as long as the phone is used on the tmo network for a bit.. (I've used one for an hour before) and you have a T-Mobile account that's established, they usually will unlock it regardless of the 30 day policy.
and if they don't unlock it, theres other sites that can unlock for like 20-30 bucks, wait time is like 15mins
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and if they don't unlock it, theres other sites that can unlock for like 20-30 bucks, wait time is like 15mins
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Thanks a bunch, that does not sound too bad at all. I don't have to worry much about unlocking the phone then.
What about flashing to a new rom? Will that unlock the sim?
Sorry if I'm hijacking the thread, but it seemed an appropriate place to ask.
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I'm also quite interested in how the unlocking services get unlock codes. I can only assume some kind of code generator? Although if that was the case, why hasn't anyone on xda figured out the sim unlocking algorithm? (don't take that the wrong way, I'm just genuinely curious as to how it all works. I am grateful to everyone who helps and submits their work here.)
No, flashing a ROM isn't recommended. The HTC One (M8) and One (M7) do have a few hacks which allow the phone to be unlocked with root, but there's nothing yet developed for the Note 4. A custom ROM on the Note 4 or other Samsung phones can actually be counterproductive since the software signatures don't match the hardware. If you have an unlock code and are running a custom ROM, you'll probably have to revert to stock jut so that the code works. Had to do that on my ONe X a few years. back.
If you're still looking for a code, I recommend http://androidsimunlock.com. Use the service for my Note 4 last week with no issues. Prices are fair (Samsung unlock codes are always a lot more than HTC and Motorola codes) and I got my code in about an hour.
lovenokia said:
I have a dilemma in that I am on ATT, and I don't pay for my service but have an upgrade available and want to get a note 4 on tmobile for the unlocked bootloader, because the ATT note 4 has a locked bootloader. My plan is to buy a note 4 on ATT, sell it, than use the money to buy a note 4 on tmobile outright through a friend that is on tmobile. I went into a tmobile store to ask about this, and they told me to unlock a phone like the note 4, it would take about one month. I do not know if that is true, but I do not want to wait one month.. My question is that once I would root a tmobile note 4, is there a way to unlock the phone via a software hack?
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If your friend buys it through an already active tmobile line then they should unlock it no problem. Just have your friend tell them they are buying the phone to take a trip over seas. The only reason they tell you to wait a month is because that's when there commission kicks in for the sale of a new phone line. If it's just a new phone for an already active line they should not care.
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I paid for an unlock code and it didn't work. T-Mobile is making me activate an account to get an unlock code.
My phone was unlocked until it came back from Samsung for repair. Its been a nightmare to deal with. I don't trust Tue unlock services after getting ripped off.
I have a note 4 that I got at a yard sale and is locked because the person whom owned it died what should I do so I can use it
Hi -
I'm a bit hard pressed for time here. Will need to order a 32gb variant of the nexus 6 via ATT. The phone will be used in India, so it will be purchased upfront from ATT and unlocked.
My only question is - Will I be able to:
1. Root [I'm guessing yes]
2. Flash custom recovery [i'm guessing yes]
3. Can all traces of ATT crap be removed? [who wants that anyway?]
4. Install custom kernels / roms like PA / CM etc etc [Unclear about this]
If not, is there any other carrier service that can help me In basically converting their network locked phone into what google sells?
Can someone confirm this?
Thanks in advance.
Have you by chance.......
Glanced or read a single thread in here? I'm not trying to be rude, but this is a Nexus and every question is covered by spending three minutes looking in here or going to google.
Unfortunately the Nexus 6 is bootloader locked, encrypted, not rooted and filled with AT&T bloat. Google gave into the carriers demand for control.
I suggest buying a Note 4.
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Unfortunately the Nexus 6 is bootloader locked, encrypted, not rooted and filled with AT&T bloat. Google gave into the carriers demand for control.
I suggest buying a Note 4.
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That's just mean. Haha.
I'm really sorry if it's been asked a ton of times before. I'm not the guy who keeps asking the same questions again and again. But I'm hard pressed for time at the moment. And I'm working out of a limited internet connectivity environment. It would be very helpful if someone could please answer concisely to the point. As long is I'm able to flash customs stuff, I'm all good!
TIA
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Unfortunately the Nexus 6 is bootloader locked, encrypted, not rooted and filled with AT&T bloat. Google gave into the carriers demand for control.
I suggest buying a Note 4.
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Your siggy seems to suggest otherwise
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I'm really sorry if it's been asked a ton of times before. I'm not the guy who keeps asking the same questions again and again. But I'm hard pressed for time at the moment. And I'm working out of a limited internet connectivity environment. It would be very helpful if someone could please answer concisely to the point. As long is I'm able to flash customs stuff, I'm all good!
TIA
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AT&T is carrier Sim locked, try sprint or T-Mobile. The are not Sim locked
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AT&T is carrier Sim locked, try sprint or T-Mobile. The are not Sim locked
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Thanks for this.
I'm ok with just about any carrier just as long as i'm able to root and flash like a boss!
Is this the one you're talking about?
http://shop.sprint.com/mysprint/sho...bleId=MOTXT1103KIT&flow=AAL&isDeeplinked=true
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Thanks for this.
I'm ok with just about any carrier just as long as i'm able to root and flash like a boss!
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A nexus is a nexus is a nexus. Yes you can unlock the boot loader, yes you can root, flash etc etc.
1. Buy the phone from any carrier
2. Remove any bloat (its simple)
3. Spend an additional $9.99 to unlock Sim
4. Take two minutes to look at the nexus 6 forums, I highly encourage exploratory learning
Enjoy.
I purchased the phone for $250 US from AT&T (extended current contract 2 more years), received it 16 November. I'm on truly un-throttled data (Cingular wireless grandfathered). Rooted, unlocked, no bloat (to include logo) and I'm good to go.
Lastly do me a favor, do not believe the hype about "OMG it's a sprint/T-Mobile/att purchased phone, I'm screwed" because its not from google or moto. Spend 10 bucks, sim unlock and save yourself from all the preconceived notions you'll hear lots of people yap about.
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A nexus is a nexus is a nexus. Yes you can unlock the boot loader, yes you can root, flash etc etc.
1. Buy the phone from any carrier
2. Remove any bloat (its simple)
3. Spend an additional $9.99 to unlock Sim
4. Take two minutes to look at the nexus 6 forums, I highly encourage exploratory learning
Enjoy.
I purchased the phone for $250 US from AT&T (extended current contract 2 more years), received it 16 November. I'm on truly un-throttled data (Cingular wireless grandfathered). Rooted, unlocked, no bloat (to include logo) and I'm good to go.
Lastly do me a favor, do not believe the hype about "OMG it's a sprint/T-Mobile/att purchased phone, I'm screwed" because its not from google or moto. Spend 10 bucks, sim unlock and save yourself from all the preconceived notions you'll hear lots of people yap about.
Sent from my Nexus 6
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Thanks. I've always jumped from one Nexus to another. But have never purchased or used one from one of the US based carriers. (I'm not gonna use it the US anyway) My only jitter was that it should be completely flashable .. especially because I don't want to be stuck with a dead phone half way around the world.
On the same note -- Sim unlocking -- Is that necessary? Since I won't be using a Tmobile / att / sprint sim at all. I'll be using a Vodafone IN sim that works in my country
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Thanks. I've always jumped from one Nexus to another. But have never purchased or used one from one of the US based carriers. (I'm not gonna use it the US anyway) My only jitter was that it should be completely flashable .. especially because I don't want to be stuck with a dead phone half way around the world.
On the same note -- Sim unlocking -- Is that necessary? Since I won't be using a Tmobile / att / sprint sim at all. I'll be using a Vodafone IN sim that works in my country
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If you purchase the phone from ATT you will have to Sim unlock in order to use the Sim from your country.
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Is the AT&T Nexus 6 bootloader locked like the others phones or unlocked?
caguas56 said:
Is the AT&T Nexus 6 bootloader locked like the others phones or unlocked?
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Its a nexus device so no. Check the general section tons of info there.
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Its a nexus device so no. Check the general section tons of info there.
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I Have the at&t mega original and the bootloader has been locked by request of at&t.
not sure if the at&t version of the nexus 6 is.
I may buy the at&t if is not.
All Nexus devices have a locked bootloader. You can esasily unlock it, any version of it, via fastboot oem unlock (or use a toolkit)
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All Nexus devices have a locked bootloader. You can esasily unlock it, any version of it, via fastboot oem unlock (or use a toolkit)
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Thanks, on the Samsung Devices on AT&T they are requesting Samsung to lock the bootloader and that is why I will never go back to Samsung unless someone discover a way to unlock it.
Nexus 6 will be my next phone in a couple of weeks :cyclops::fingers-crossed::good::laugh::silly:
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Thanks, on the Samsung Devices on AT&T they are requesting Samsung to lock the bootloader and that is why I will never go back to Samsung unless someone discover a way to unlock it.
Nexus 6 will be my next phone in a couple of weeks :cyclops::fingers-crossed::good::laugh::silly:
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Hey, Caguas. As you know, I also had the Mega and had the same reservations, but let me assure you that the N6 is wide open!!!! The only thing ATT is the splash screen and a small logo on the rear.
The splash screen can easily be removed.
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Hey, Caguas. As you know, I also had the Mega and had the same reservations, but let me assure you that the N6 is wide open!!!! The only thing ATT is the splash screen and a small logo on the rear.
The splash screen can easily be removed.
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HEY OLD BUDDY!!!!!.
YES!, MY NEXT PHONE WILL BE THE NEXUS 6!!!!!! :laugh:
caguas56 said:
I Have the at&t mega original and the bootloader has been locked by request of at&t.
not sure if the at&t version of the nexus 6 is.
I may buy the at&t if is not.
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I was assuming you meant locked and not able to get in at all. Like the rest said you can easily unlock it. Only difference between this and the one from the play store is the boot logo/ and logo on back. You can get the Sim unlocked too but I'd research that I've seen people complaining about some of the unlock services.
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I was assuming you meant locked and not able to get in at all. Like the rest said you can easily unlock it. Only difference between this and the one from the play store is the boot logo/ and logo on back. You can get the Sim unlocked too but I'd research that I've seen people complaining about some of the unlock services.
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Hmmmmm,,,,,, that got me thinking if I buy it from At&t or unlocked at Swappa.
I'm on Straight Talk.
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Hmmmmm,,,,,, that got me thinking if I buy it from At&t or unlocked at Swappa.
I'm on Straight Talk.
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No Sim lock and freedom to change is a plus. I just switched to At&t and so far I've been happy
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No Sim lock and freedom to change is a plus. I just switched to At&t and so far I've been happy
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did you got your nexus from at&t?
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did you got your nexus from at&t?
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Yea I removed the logo on back and initially removed the OEM folder which has the boot logo and sound but I eventually flashed the stock image when trying to go back to stock for the update. I got the update and don't have the OEM folder at all now. All is good. [emoji106]
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Yea I removed the logo on back and initially removed the OEM folder which has the boot logo and sound but I eventually flashed the stock image when trying to go back to stock for the update. I got the update and don't have the OEM folder at all now. All is good. [emoji106]
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do at&t have the 64gb one?.
all I saw was the 32gb. if I have no sd card expansion would like to get the 64 one.
I got mine from at&t after note 3 locked bootloader BS, I can tell you I love it! Not locked, not much bloat and bloat can be removed like anything else!
Otisrhw said:
I got mine from at&t after note 3 locked bootloader BS, I can tell you I love it! Not locked, not much bloat and bloat can be removed like anything else!
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thank you for your input, did you got the 32 or 64 gb?
32gb
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32gb
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do they have the 64gb?
I have looked their website and hasn't found any.
No yet from what they told me
Update
today I ordered my Nexus 6 from Swappa!!!!!!!
by the middle of next week I'll be rocking!!!!!:fingers-crossed::laugh::victory:
Way to go Caguas....you will forget all about that Mega!!!!
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I am wondering if we have root or unlocked bootloaders fornthe note 9 on Verizon I just switched carriers from tmobile.
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I am wondering if we have root or unlocked bootloaders fornthe note 9 on Verizon I just switched carriers from tmobile.
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No.
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I am wondering if we have root or unlocked bootloaders fornthe note 9 on Verizon I just switched carriers from tmobile.
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They're all the same exact device.
Does this mean we have root? That doesnt answer the question also the no is a useless response. I'm a very old member here.
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Does this mean we have root? That doesnt answer the question also the no is a useless response. I'm a very old member here.
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Just not one who knows how to search for answers, LOL.
OK, you asked a yes or no question: Do we have root or unlocked bootloaders on the Verizon version of the Note 9?
The answer is no.
You mentioned you wanted to know because you were coming from T-Mobile, and you wanted to know about the Verizon version. I was explaining they are the same exact device.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you didn't understand your yes or no question had already been answered with "no," so rather than again say "no," I was trying to be helpful in explaining they're the same device, no matter what carrier you're on, so none of them have root.
This question has been answered several times already in this forum. There is a 99.99% chance we will never see an unlocked bootloader on the Snapdragon version of the Note 9, or the Note 8, or the S9/+, or the S8/+, or basically ANY Samsung Snapdragon device. There's also a very, VERY high chance you'll never see root. The last person who rooted a Snapdragon device (the Note 8) stated they closed up his hole for root, and he was basically done working on it.
If you want unlocked bootloaders and root, go with the Exynos version from over seas. Just say goodbye to carrier aggregation. And once you unlock that bootloader, say goodbye to Samsung Pay, Samsung Pass, Secure Folder, etc...
I've been considering a Note 9 to replace my recently dead Pixel XL. I bought my PXL unlocked straight from Google. I was able to unlock the bootloader from the settings, load TWRP, then flash SU.
Samsung doesn't offer the option to unlock the bootloader if you buy the phone (US version) straight from them?
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I've been considering a Note 9 to replace my recently dead Pixel XL. I bought my PXL unlocked straight from Google. I was able to unlock the bootloader from the settings, load TWRP, then flash SU.
Samsung doesn't offer the option to unlock the bootloader if you buy the phone (US version) straight from them?
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Nope.
Lol. How is "no" a useless answer to a yes or no question? That fully answered the question asked ?
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Just not one who knows how to search for answers, LOL.
OK, you asked a yes or no question: Do we have root or unlocked bootloaders on the Verizon version of the Note 9?
The answer is no.
You mentioned you wanted to know because you were coming from T-Mobile, and you wanted to know about the Verizon version. I was explaining they are the same exact device.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you didn't understand your yes or no question had already been answered with "no," so rather than again say "no," I was trying to be helpful in explaining they're the same device, no matter what carrier you're on, so none of them have root.
This question has been answered several times already in this forum. There is a 99.99% chance we will never see an unlocked bootloader on the Snapdragon version of the Note 9, or the Note 8, or the S9/+, or the S8/+, or basically ANY Samsung Snapdragon device. There's also a very, VERY high chance you'll never see root. The last person who rooted a Snapdragon device (the Note 8) stated they closed up his hole for root, and he was basically done working on it.
If you want unlocked bootloaders and root, go with the Exynos version from over seas. Just say goodbye to carrier aggregation. And once you unlock that bootloader, say goodbye to Samsung Pay, Samsung Pass, Secure Folder, etc...
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So if I get an Exynos note 9 and root it then I lose secure folder? No way to keep it?
Henhen59 said:
So if I get an Exynos note 9 and root it then I lose secure folder? No way to keep it?
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Henhen59 said:
So if I get an Exynos note 9 and root it then I lose secure folder? No way to keep it?
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Not only is there no way to KEEP it. There's no way to get it back. When you unlock the bootloader, you break Knox. That is a PERMANENT thing. It blows an E-Fuse, so you cannot reverse no matter what you try. And without Knox, you don't have Secure Folder.
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Not only is there no way to KEEP it. There's no way to get it back. When you unlock the bootloader, you break Knox. That is a PERMANENT thing. It blows an E-Fuse, so you cannot reverse no matter what you try. And without Knox, you don't have Secure Folder.
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Lol im still trying to figure out how it is people dont know all this stuff already, its been like this for how many years?
>Lol im still trying to figure out how it is people dont know all this stuff already, its been like this for how many years?<
I haven't upgraded since the Note 3 where I can get root without tripping Knox, block OS updates, and get root back any tine I want to. That it why I killed the Note 3's ability to update the OS, and why I didn't get the Note 4, 5, 6, and now am checking in on 8 and 9 to see where things are today. Now they are taking away the ability to record our own phone calls with "P", so I'm checking out where root is today before I upgrade. These capabilities we use for invoicing our time and business automation is a major reason for choosing Android. If Android is attempting to be like the iPhone, then we might as well buy iPhones. I'm not interested in only Google and the NSA having access to my conversations. I know some Android vendors are going around Google/Android and building it into the hardware, but that limits me to their phones.
I accidentally bought the Verizon locked variant of the pixel 5. Now I can't unlock bootloader to flash the custom rims. Is gaining root access possible without unlocking the bootloader? If not, how would I go about unlocking the bootloader on this unnecessarily locked down pixel 5?
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I accidentally bought the Verizon locked variant of the pixel 5. Now I can't unlock bootloader to flash the custom rims. Is gaining root access possible without unlocking the bootloader? If not, how would I go about unlocking the bootloader on this unnecessarily locked down pixel 5?
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No root without unlocking the bootloader and the Verizon models cannot be unlocked.
Deitybrother13 said:
I accidentally bought the Verizon locked variant of the pixel 5. Now I can't unlock bootloader to flash the custom rims. Is gaining root access possible without unlocking the bootloader? If not, how would I go about unlocking the bootloader on this unnecessarily locked down pixel 5?
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How do you just "accidently" buy a Verizon locked phone?? Just like everybody else that bought a Verizon locked phone you'll never unlock the bootloader. Take it back if it's not doin it for you
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How do you just "accidently" buy a Verizon locked phone?? Just like everybody else that bought a Verizon locked phone you'll never unlock the bootloader. Take it back if it's not doin it for you
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I got it from best buy, and they activated it on verizon for me. It was supposed to be the unlocked model.
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I got it from best buy, and they activated it on verizon for me. It was supposed to be the unlocked model.
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"Unlocked" in most people's minds is carrier unlock. The subset that cares and knows about BL unlock is very small. Another good measuring stick is discounts. If there is a discount beyond what you can get at the Google store, it is likely a carrier specific device and will have the BL locked permanently.
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"Unlocked" in most people's minds is carrier unlock. The subset that cares and knows about BL unlock is very small. Another good measuring stick is discounts. If there is a discount beyond what you can get at the Google store, it is likely a carrier specific device and will have the BL locked permanently.
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This is really not directed towards you, I know for a fact you know all this. I don't even think the sales people at BB know what bl unlock means. And unlocked has nothing to do with the ability to bootloader unlock, I just can't believe that this is still an issue for some folks. As for carrier devices you are entirely correct, however, I do believe that the only carrier that will permanently lock the OEM switch is Verizon but I could be wrong on that one. Even TM will allow you to bl unlock once you pay off the device. Verizon will never ever allow it. So the previous poster, even though the rep activated it on Verizon, it's device specific. I bought my P5 directly from Google and immediately activated it on Verizon with a physical sim and an eSim also on VZW. My OEM switch is still active to bl unlock it.
One final point, which I've made before, even Google sells a Verizon P5 through the Google store. If you buy that one it will not allow you to bl unlock no matter what you do. So I'm assuming BB has the same kind of setup, if you buy the VZW device you are **** out of luck. I once got stuck with a VZW Pixel and couldn't activate the eSim due to some silly VZW policy. It took me a month of phone calls to get refunded so never again. And I don't even bl unlock my devices any longer, but I want the option. Hey, you never know. lol
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This is really not directed towards you, I know for a fact you know all this. I don't even think the sales people at BB know what bl unlock means. And unlocked has nothing to do with the ability to bootloader unlock, I just can't believe that this is still an issue for some folks. As for carrier devices you are entirely correct, however, I do believe that the only carrier that will permanently lock the OEM switch is Verizon but I could be wrong on that one. Even TM will allow you to bl unlock once you pay off the device. Verizon will never ever allow it. So the previous poster, even though the rep activated it on Verizon, it's device specific. I bought my P5 directly from Google and immediately activated it on Verizon with a physical sim and an eSim also on VZW. My OEM switch is still active to bl unlock it.
One final point, which I've made before, even Google sells a Verizon P5 through the Google store. If you buy that one it will not allow you to bl unlock no matter what you do. So I'm assuming BB has the same kind of setup, if you buy the VZW device you are **** out of luck. I once got stuck with a VZW Pixel and couldn't activate the eSim due to some silly VZW policy. It took me a month of phone calls to get refunded so never again. And I don't even bl unlock my devices any longer, but I want the option. Hey, you never know. lol
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The Verizon version and the unlocked version were the same price. But both of them had discounts if you activated service at checkout.
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The Verizon version and the unlocked version were the same price. But both of them had discounts if you activated service at checkout.
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Yeah, I know that. I never did understand the particulars of that but I'm sure it has something to do with money of some sort to someone. There was always too much fine print and conditions. I'm pretty much stuck on Pixel now so I'll only buy from Google and hope for some kind of discount. On the P5 I got $50 off for something or other. If I were to buy an iPhone I would go to an Apple store. But the other members of my family have all carrier branded devices because they don't give a darn about unlocked carrier or bl able.
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The Verizon version and the unlocked version were the same price. But both of them had discounts if you activated service at checkout.
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As far as I know, every Pixel device sold by Best Buy is Verizon branded. I don't remember where I learned that from, but get your phones from elsewhere.