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*** AS I SAID EARLIER I WILL UPDATE THIS OP (Original Post) IN ORDER TO REFLECT ANY INFORMATION THAT COULD BE OF INTEREST ON THE SUBJECT ***
Hi there!
I have bought my device a couple week ago and since I did not know about knox, I just allowed Samsung to install the 4.3 update that was pushed to my device.
I have since decided I want a custom ROM on my phone, and when I started researching, I found out pretty quickly that knox may cause issues.
I don't really care about voiding my warranty, because I have now tested the device and made sure it is works, and I'm usually careful about what I flash.
The thing is, I have read so many things about knox that I don't know what's true and what's not. Unfortunately I don't have all the links to everything I've read, but i'll update this OP with the links later (some posts were worth reading and very interesting)
So, what I've read about once you've got knox:
- You cannot get rid of it (everyone pretty much agree on this)
- There are ways to root without tripping knox to 0x1, so you keep your warranty, but what about unrooting? Or do you just flash a stock rom not rooted? I guess you keep the bootloader as it is?
- even flashing stock 4.3 will trip knox (really? always)
- if you have knox, you cannot flash anything below 4.3, even custom ROMs, or you'll have issues with wifi, etc. (this is what I've read somewhere, what seems to be a fact is that if you try to downgrade the bootloaer to anything smaller then you may break wifi and other features)
- and it gets better: once you've got knox, if you flash a 4.4 ROM (custom, of course, since there is no 4.4 stock for our device yet), there's no going back to anything smaller (not even 4.3)
Some of the above statements are clearly facts at the present time, until knox is cracked, if it is ever, but some of it sounds like BS, or at least i hope it is, because otherwise I'm not about to flash anything :-/
And this is just the beginning, I'll keep updating this post, and I'll try to separate fiction from facts. anyway, feel free to comment on these and give me answers if you know things for a fact (no guesses please).
Now I gotta go, sorry!
Cheers,
fa
Edit:
You will find a lot of threads on knox especially in the Galaxy S4 and Note 3 forums. But I guess most of the info on how knox works is valid for our device as well (I9305).
A lot of people seem to place a lot of hope in one of the greatest Android devs: Chainfire.
Here are a few links with info on knox, for those who like to read:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2597774
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2569349
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832 <== This is actually a thread you want to follow. Very interesting, but there's a lot to read. If a solution comes to get rid of knox, that's probably one of the first places on XDA where they'll talk about it.
It would be great to know if there is hope to see a knox removal tool.
Meanwhile, I see the following different scenarios. Could you share your experience and tell me how it works for you? As answers trickle in, I'll update this post with the answers themselves or links to the posts where the answer is provided:
1) You don't have knox: lucky you, enjoy and DO NOT UPDATE TO 4.3 or flash a 4.3 ROM with knox bootloader, or you will one day regret it!
2) You have knox. So if I got it right, there is no way to change your bootloader, but there are various scenarios:
a) you don't care because you're happy with stock and no root (then keep moving, nothing to see here, I wonder why you are even reading this...)
b) you want to keep your stock ROM and default kernel, but you want to root. I have read many threads where it is said to be possible. WHAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR THIS?
c) you want to keep your stock ROM but you want another kernel: IS THIS POSSIBLE, and if so, WHAT KERNEL WORKS/DOESN'T WORK?
d) you want to get rid of the whole Samsung ROM, so you want to flash a custom recovery (CWM or TWRP) and a custom ROM/Kernel. So what works, and what does knox prevent you to do in that case?
Cheers,
Fa
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fabecoool said:
Hi there,
I have bought my device a couple week ago and since I did not know about knox, I just allowed Samsung to install the 4.3 update that was pushed to my device.
I have since decided I want a custom ROM on my phone, and when I started researching, I found out pretty quickly that knox may cause issues.
I don't really care about voiding my warranty, because I have now tested the device and made sure it is works, and I'm usually careful about what I flash.
The thing is, I have read so many things about knox that I don't know what's true and what's not. Unfortunately I don't have all the links to everything I've read, but i'll update this OP with the links later (some posts were worth reading and very interesting)
So, what I've read about once you've got knox:
- You cannot get rid of it (everyone pretty much agree on this)
- There are ways to root without tripping knox to 0x1, so you keep your warranty, but what about unrooting? Or do you just flash a stock rom not rooted? I guess you keep the bootloader as it is?
- even flashing stock 4.3 will trip knox (really? always)
- if you have knox, you cannot flash anything below 4.3, even custom ROMs, or you'll have issues with wifi, etc. (this is what I've read somewhere, what seems to be a fact is that if you try to downgrade the bootloaer to anything smaller then you may break wifi and other features)
- and it gets better: once you've got knox, if you flash a 4.4 ROM (custom, of course, since there is no 4.4 stock for our device yet), there's no going back to anything smaller (not even 4.3)
Some of the above statements are clearly facts at the present time, until knox is cracked, if it is ever, but some of it sounds like BS, or at least i hope it is, because otherwise I'm not about to flash anything :-/
And this is just the beginning, I'll keep updating this post, and I'll try to separate fiction from facts. anyway, feel free to comment on these and give me answers if you know things for a fact (no guesses please).
Now I gotta go, sorry!
Cheers,
fa
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This is an idea, fabecoool.There would be nothing wrong if someone is responsible for making a guide/tutorial/ to our terminals in version 4.3 Stock with all this questions.There are many people who are lost right now and this would be helpful.
Many people do not know that really brings the version 4.3 and this will help them not to get into trouble.
I installed miui rom yesterday that has android 4.1 and it actually work very well
I was running cyanogenmod 11 and flash it successfully
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Flashing stock wont trip knox. Once ur on official 4.4 with new bootloader u wont be able to downgrade no matter where u come from. Knox or no knox. Official 4.4 will have a new bootloader which prevents u from downgrading. Sounds like apple doesnt it. Lol
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d_ce said:
I installed miui rom yesterday that has android 4.1 and it actually work very well
I was running cyanogenmod 11 and flash it successfully
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Thanks for the info, but does your phone have knox, or have you flashed from an earlier version to 4.3?
Fa
hayabusa08 said:
Flashing stock wont trip knox. Once ur on official 4.4 with new bootloader u wont be able to downgrade no matter where u come from. Knox or no knox. Official 4.4 will have a new bootloader which prevents u from downgrading. Sounds like apple doesnt it. Lol
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Thanks hayabusa08,
Do you mean that you won't be able to downgrade to a stock ROM smaller than 4.4, or to a ROM (included custom ROMs) smaller than 4.4.
Anyway, it does sound like Apple indeed.
Fa
Yes u wont be able to downgrade to 4.3 or lower once yur on 4.4
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1) You don't have knox: lucky you, enjoy and DO NOT UPDATE TO 4.3 or flash a 4.3 ROM with knox bootloader, or you will one day regret it!
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Waohh!! So I'm lucky now??
I'm thinking to flash stock rom 4.3 on my S3 LTE but the kies did not detect any new update...
i came and find out.. and discovered this new term 'Knox"...
what is this...??? @@
is this coming with the new Android 4.3 official stock rom by samsung??
bpay14 said:
Waohh!! So I'm lucky now??
I'm thinking to flash stock rom 4.3 on my S3 LTE but the kies did not detect any new update...
i came and find out.. and discovered this new term 'Knox"...
what is this...??? @@
is this coming with the new Android 4.3 official stock rom by samsung??
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Well yes, you're lucky. Especially if you care about custom roms, if you do, don't flash official stock 4.3. Even if you like the Samsung UI (touchwiz), I would recommand you find a 4.3 stock without Knox. Just look for it in the forum.
Hit the Thanks button if I helped
Cheers!
Fa
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hi there guys, i had my galaxy i9305 updated to 4.3 and im trying to install a custom rom. When i go to download mode to flash a recovery, the device doesnt show up in Odin nor in Windows Device Manager(as unknown or as modem) anything.
OS: Windows 8.1
Stock USB cablu,
OS on the phone: 4.3 stock
Ya, so those months ago I was telling you all not to use Odin any more for flashing, unless you want KNOX...
Kryten2k35 said:
Ya, so those months ago I was telling you all not to use Odin any more for flashing, unless you want KNOX...
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it must be a way to bypass that
also i tryed to flash the phone in Windows XP but no luck
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Hello
Someone can tell me the difference between firmware I9305XXUEMKC and I9305XXUEML8, both are 4.3, already searched but found nothing.
Which is the best? ...
thank you
LUIS_CORREIO said:
Hello
Someone can tell me the difference between firmware I9305XXUEMKC and I9305XXUEML8, both are 4.3, already searched but found nothing.
Which is the best? ...
thank you
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Both have the same change list number so I'm guessing no difference...
Change ROM.
Raistlin1158 said:
Both have the same change list number so I'm guessing no difference...
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Hello! I'm currently running CM11 and i was thinking about changing my rom to rXTREME.JB.4.3-v3.0. Will this rom update my bootloader and can I even downgrade from 4.4 > 4.3.
jjahvo said:
Hello! I'm currently running CM11 and i was thinking about changing my rom to rXTREME.JB.4.3-v3.0. Will this rom update my bootloader and can I even downgrade from 4.4 > 4.3.
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As far as I am aware you can not downgrade your bootloader..
Knox.
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As fare as I am aware you can not downgrade your bootloader..
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I rooted my phone on 4.1.2, and flashed CM11 through CWM. Does this mean I have kitkat bootloader and can't downgrade to 4.3 roms?
Greetings!
There is a lot of paranoia theme Knox, from my point of view the only problem is the warranty for ODIN and flash an earlier version, I do not see another problem. However, those who want to return to a previous version do through recovery, I've done it many times and have not had any problems (have a look at my signature) those ZIP'S I've modified to share. Try!
Hi guys,
I used galaxy s and now im planing to buy galaxy s3 lte so i have read about custom roms, coz im loving customize the rom
But i went through the forms i was really disappointed about the 4.3 update and knox thing
So im really need good answers for my question coz im in complex coz i read lot about knox..
1) is there any way to flash 4.3 virsion to i9305 without knox if i coming from 4.1?? ( yes without any problem)
2) If i dont care about the waranty can i use all custom rom (4.3<) with knox ? And can i revert back to 4.3 stock FW?
Please guys try give to good answers.. Coz i have limited money and i have to get good phone what i like please help me..
Thanks regards
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2624356
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2569349
JJEgan said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2624356
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2569349
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Thanks friend i read those.. Still im complex. Im expecting direct answers for my question can someone?????
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1Ishara said:
Thanks friend i read those.. Still im complex. Im expecting direct answers for my question can someone?????
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When in 4.1.2 root your phone, after root flash the custom rom 4.3 you will not have the new bootlaoder and will not have issues on knox things.
But if I'm you I will wait for Galaxy S5 coming on March or April I think.
iamnoo said:
When in 4.1.2 root your phone, after root flash the custom rom 4.3 you will not have the new bootlaoder and will not have issues on knox things.
But if I'm you I will wait for Galaxy S5 coming on March or April I think.
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Thanks Bro that was my expected answer.. and one thing i saw some thread state that internal sd should be format and if not there would be some file/folder error.... so when i flash 4.3 is there anything else i do??
No, for real. Just flash ANY custom 4.3 rom over your 4.1.2 (custom roms don't contain bootloader) and you are ready to go/use
This way, I had no problems... And I've been flashing my phone TONES of times ;p
I am a long time android user , mostly Samsung , but other devices as well, so that being said, theres no way without an unlocked bl i can use CWM ? Or any custom recovery? I dont care about warranties as i buy my phones outright,js, but i need to root for sure , get rid of att junkware , also custom roms, but maybe im missing something in the motorola world, how do you root and get custom roms and not have a custom recovery , sure you can have root, but custom roms without recovery?
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Vintage144 said:
I am a long time android user , mostly Samsung , but other devices as well, so that being said, theres no way without an unlocked bl i can use CWM ? Or any custom recovery? I dont care about warranties as i buy my phones outright,js, but i need to root for sure , get rid of att junkware , also custom roms, but maybe im missing something in the motorola world, how do you root and get custom roms and not have a custom recovery , sure you can have root, but custom roms without recovery?
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If you have a GSM Dev Edition you can do all that stuff. I believe that AT&T's and Verizon's Moto X's are locked.
You can use Safestrap, which creates a partition which you can flash custom Roms, but I believe you have to be on Android 4.2.2 to do it. All it does is create a partition so the official android version is always there and you will have less storage to use by using safestrap. There are no custom kernels for Safestrap to my knowledge.
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Rebel908 said:
If you have a GSM Dev Edition you can do all that stuff. I believe that AT&T's and Verizon's Moto X's are locked.
You can use Safestrap, which creates a partition which you can flash custom Roms, but I believe you have to be on Android 4.2.2 to do it. All it does is create a partition so the official android version is always there and you will have less storage to use by using safestrap. There are no custom kernels for Safestrap to my knowledge.
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well I kinda thought that , but at least I can root (right?) , will still have my Note 2 and Note OG to play with , should be interesting, Im sure a leak will come out , I can wait ,especially if the phone is really nice anyway! Maybe Lenovo will have some say over this, after all they are chinese , and dont have to play att bs rules game
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well I kinda thought that , but at least I can root (right?) , will still have my Note 2 and Note OG to play with , should be interesting, Im sure a leak will come out , I can wait ,especially if the phone is really nice anyway! Maybe Lenovo will have some say over this, after all they are chinese , and dont have to play att bs rules game
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not even sure what good root does for me, yes I want access in root explorer , and some other things , but not having a recovery is limiting, I really dont like stock recovery but not having any or relying on adb isnt really an option , guess ill just play with it awhile and be like the general population and be clueless for a while!
Vintage144 said:
Im sure a leak will come out , I can wait ,especially if the phone is really nice anyway! Maybe Lenovo will have some say over this, after all they are chinese , and dont have to play att bs rules game
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You'll likely be dead before a bootloader leak comes out. Lenovo being in charge will change nothing. If an OEM wanted their phone on VZW or ATT, they're going to have to play by the carrier rules.
Vintage144 said:
not even sure what good root does for me, yes I want access in root explorer , and some other things , but not having a recovery is limiting, I really dont like stock recovery but not having any or relying on adb isnt really an option , guess ill just play with it awhile and be like the general population and be clueless for a while!
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Why exactly do you need a custom recovery? There aren't any roms worth flashing, not when Moto got it right with the software. There aren't any kernels either. Root gives you access to Xposed which gives you access to GravityBox and native tethering.
If you really need a custom recovery, return or trade your phone for a Dev edition.
I'm not 100% sure but I think you can use J Case's SlapMyMoto for the Moto X's with a locked boatloader. But you'll need to be ready to put in some work because it looks a little confusing with downgrading to 4.2.2 then upgrading back to 4.4. I'm not very experienced with all this stuff either so I could be wrong. Might be worth checking it out though just in case.
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I personally think OP should stick to Samsung devices and/or Nexus devices for now. Most of the dev-support breaks down to those two devices anyways. Also, the fun of Moto X lies in the fact it's really good with Stock ROM by itself with its special features. Installing Custom ROMs removes the primary reasons for even considering Moto X (active notification/touchless controls/motorola assist).
Well part of the fun of Android is being able to customize it, if all i wanted was a locked down OS id get an iphone and be just another flappybird idiot , there wouldnt be a need for XDA , maybe they can open an xda site for non custom stuff , most of you on here who have been using motorola products should do yourself a favor and try samsung or htc and find out what youve been missing ,sure there phones are good stock, but there amazing customized. I dont want to buy a Corvette that i cant customize to my own liking, just saying
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You didn't research before buying....an xda member? ???
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Sorry to inform you, but if you're still in the return period, you should return that phone. AT&T and (regular) Verizon version are bootloader locked, there are no way to unlock them yet, if ever. You should get the GSM Developer edition, you can unlock its bootloader without voiding your warranty, then you can easily use fastboot to flash custom recovery and flash anything.
Also don't let other tells you how you should use the phone, it's Android, use it however you like. However, you should be careful next time to not buy locked down devices like AT&T and Verizon carrier locked phones, it's pretty much a given. Go with international unlocked, developer edition or Google Play edition. Also some phones are more moddable than other. Nexus phones give you unlimited freedom in term of flashing and customizing.
There is no reason to buy a AT&T locked devices if you intended to pay full price for the device, get the unlocked version instead, they will work on AT&T.
eksasol said:
Sorry to inform you, but if you're still in the return period, you should return that phone. AT&T and (regular) Verizon version are bootloader locked, there are no way to unlock them yet, if ever. You should get the GSM Developer edition, you can unlock its bootloader without voiding your warranty, then you can easily use fastboot to flash custom recovery and flash anything.
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This. Get anything other than at&t and Verizon NON Dev....as long as the new phones bands work on your carrier.
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Well I researched a little bit , frankly its gonna be spare anyway , ill probably keep running my OG Note as I prefer it over even my note II , but I will run it you bet on that . One thing is for sure XDA is doomed if they continue locking the boot loader , dev fones wont be worth the fuss , even Win Fones have sone merit
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How will it doom xda? LOL. Lots still to do/learn/mod/flash and play with. Some phones are just more limited than others.
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what modding and flashing is there if the bl is locked ? sure you can put fancy themes up there , but is there? Without recovery (custom recovery) , there is no flashing mods , custom mods, theres really nothing else , those of you who have been stuck in Motorola world (which by they way they made the cpu for apple for many years as well, a main reason why apples sucked too) , should try something by an unknown chinese company because those will be the only androids worth messing with in the years to come, or go get an sIII or Note , start modding and getting a custom recovery and then tell me how great stock is!
CartlandSmith said:
There is the Xposed Framework and its modules. It is very powerful and only requires root, not an unlocked bootloader.
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xposed is cool , but if something goes wrong? theres no recovery !
Vintage144 said:
xposed is cool , but if something goes wrong? theres no recovery !
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Then get a different phone? Not sure what you want anyone to say? ???
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just saying , but whatever , doesnt really matter , its the way of the world , steve jobs has won , his dream was making followers and apparently he's won!
K....you're being kinda ridiculous.....you bought a phone you can't unlock. Basically an iPhone. Sorry, but that doesn't reflect on all android phones. Especially ones you can unlock and do anything under the sun too.
Sell your phone. For you and your expectations .....you made the wrong choice. Plain and simple. Its not android, Google, or Motorola's fault.
Enough doom dude.
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I haven't read about people bricking their phones using Xposed modules.
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You can potentially mess something up and cause the phone to boot loop.
well ill be running exposed , its not doom and gloom , if your happy with stock why bother even coming here , xda is customizing not running stock but whatever ill run mine til it bricks at least it will be a challenge
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hi
im a complete noob when it comes to rooting/flashing roms and stuff on android devices (the sticky was top complicated for me to understand). so can anyone give me a one click root application that works with the GT-I8190 with Android 4.1.2? i don't particularly care much for the custom roms, i just want my phone to gain root access. but if you have a rom that'll improve the gaming performance of my device, then please share it with me. and please it won't brick my s3 mini, won't it? i don't want my phone to get bricked.
Hi, look here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2459910
It worked great for my stock samsung rom.
Hi! Thanks! =D
One thing though, is it safe? I don't want my phone to get bricked. =)
dude help so i rooted my phone but then i wanted to replace that kinguser with superuser so idisabled it with the root app delete app but when i disabled it so i can install supersu my root was gone! what do i do???
Edit: nevermind. fixed it by rerooting it again with vroot. guess im just gonna have to stick with kinguser lol. thanks man =D
is there a way to root without triping knox? Or is any1 working on it?
Maybe if you wanted a partial root like snapdragon models....but if you want custom recovery then no.
I just want to delete few apps Cuz I like Stock
First time Samsung and I am very happy with that <3
Awww, from my experience. if you partially rooted it and tried to put the phone back to official or non rooted status then it wont boot unless you reset it again so it kind of wont work. honestly though most of these custom roms are pretty good like Renovate N95x for the note 8, best rom from my own experience.
k but I never had so expensive Phone . I am too scared that something might go wrong :/ I'll wait with root a month or more if that. thx 4 help
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k but I never had so expensive Phone . I am too scared that something might go wrong :/ I'll wait with root a month or more if that. thx 4 help
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yea i understand.