Hello,
I have both devices on my desk, and despite of the great Snapdragon 600 and 2 GB of RAM there are some important (for me!) apps, that work definitely faster on the S3 so far:
MX Player: The same .mkv videos play very smooth on the S3, at about only 20% CPU use according to "Cool Tool". On the S4a, it needs about 80-90% CPU and it´s not smooth and shows noticeable microstutters. Anybody who experienced that?
Osmand (very good OSM Maps for outdoor activity): S4a needs a looot more time to draw the same map-area with all Details, than on the S3. Ok, S4a has higher screen solution, but hey, what´s the Snapdragon 600 good for?! (Maps on both devices located in internal SD of course!)
But of course, you take sdvantage of the 2GB RAM as the S4a switches very fast between apps.
Hm...together with the wider-angled camera and much higher display contrast, which under bright sun makes it almost up for the brighter screen of the S4a, I´m almost up to send back the S4a and keep my old S3... :crying:
Silly question but I'll ask for verification, since I never owned an S3, do you have "Power Saving" mode on in the S4? That will slow it down.
According to benchmarks that I and others have been doing recently (not that Quadrant is the best damned benchmark there is, and it really does need some significant updates but that's another thread altogether), the GS4A is working precisely as it should be. With Antutu the results are somewhat stable (as of the 4.0.2 Antutu update from a day ago), and again it's providing results that are where they should be.
For Quadrant I'm getting 12,000+ scores now that Safestrap is detecting and initializing all for cores properly (whereas before it wasn't and the scores were in the 8,000 to 9,000 range), and with Antutu where I was getting scores in the 22,000 to 23,000 range they're now pushing almost 28,000 - yesterday I did a test after a reboot and got 27,958 which is my highest score to date.
(and realize these are "stock" speed results, we still don't have overclocking yet because of the locked bootloader and stock kernel on the I537 AT&T model which I and many others have hence the necessity of using Safestrap - thank you again, Hashcode).
So for me, I've yet to encounter issues with the GS4A I have, not one worth complaining about or even considering selling it. But then again I got mine for $100 on craigslist and I haven't been anything but loving it so far.
I use MX Player (which I finally bought a few days ago after using the free version for nearly 2 years now), plays everything I throw at it without skipping a beat (or a frame for that matter). You may be trying to play items that aren't being hardware accelerated properly on the GS4A - make sure you enable the HW+ decoder (in MX Player under Settings - Decoder) which is the best way to handle decoding content with that app.
As for the others, I can't say for sure. If you're running a pure stock ROM then perhaps running a custom one might alleviate some of the issues you're mentioning. It's entirely possible you could have a defective GS4A as well - but I've used a GS3 before and the first time I used a GS4A (even before owning one) I noticed a huge difference in performance even on the demo model I was testing out in an AT&T store: the GS4A just left the GS3 in the dust, basically (and the GS4A is built to work in dust, go figure...).
I don't know which specific GS4A you have (International I9295 or AT&T I537) so... check into the custom ROM thing - for the I9295 there are several available but for the I537 we're still stuck with just the AOSP ROM which can be installed using Safestrap. Hopefully designgears will have that "leak" of the latest build for our I537 model here shortly...
Thank you for your answer.
Well, the thing is, I actually don´t run benchmarks if I´m hiking . I pointed out that noticeable negative in-use difference in performance between a stock S3 and a stock 9295, with apps that probably many people also will run if they are outdoors with their S4A.. But to check if the device is not defective, I ran the benchmarks and of course did get about the same values.
Thats what everybody can test by themselves, its a fair competition: The mentioned apps on both devices, of course with same settings, and you will see.
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I have both the tegra and snapdragon version of mi3.I can keep only one. Which one should I keep. I don't care about 3G. The only thing I care about is which one is faster and better in terms of performance. Thanks.
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I have both the tegra and snapdragon version of mi3.I can keep only one. Which one should I keep. I don't care about 3G. The only thing I care about is which one is faster and better in terms of performance. Thanks.
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as far as i know the td version is only for china,
and snapdragon is for the rest of the countries,
regarding speed and performance,snapdragon is a beast its to fast,snappier and gives an awesome performance
and once the kernel sources are released you can expect a hell lot of stable custom roms and kernels for the snapdragon variant,
I know tegra is for China. I got them both from China. I installed international stable rom on both. They are same in all aspects other than processor.
You are saying that snapdragon version will be faster?(I thought the tegra would be faster)
Android_user11 said:
I know tegra is for China. I got them both from China. I installed international stable rom on both. They are same in all aspects other than processor.
You are saying that snapdragon version will be faster?(I thought the tegra would be faster)
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i feel snap is faster then tegra,but you have the devices you can compare the speeds better right ,
and i guess you are running miui roms,
well i was saying about other roms like aosp aisp carbon cm11 they are hell lot faster then the miui rom,so if you go for the snapdragon one,you can have all these roms ,
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-800-vs-Nvidia-Tegra-4
this might help you out in your decision
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i feel snap is faster then tegra,but you have the devices you can compare the speeds better right ,
and i guess you are running miui roms,
well i was saying about other roms like aosp aisp carbon cm11 they are hell lot faster then the miui rom,so if you go for the snapdragon one,you can have all these roms ,
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You're right. More roms and kernels will be available for snapdragon version and since I will root my phone, snapdragon would probably be better. Can you please provide a benchmark so that I can convince myself that they are almost equal in terms of performance?
Android_user11 said:
You're right. More roms and kernels will be available for snapdragon version and since I will root my phone, snapdragon would probably be better. Can you please provide a benchmark so that I can convince myself that they are almost equal in terms of performance?
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i cant tell you about tegras benchmark,but snap gave me antu benchmark of 37-40,000 score sometimes even more say 42
Anyone here has tried benchmarking tegra 4 phones?
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Anyone here has tried benchmarking tegra 4 phones?
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you have the phone, right?
Just keep the snapdragon version, all around better and there's lots of development for the snapdragon version, plus one day you might need 3g, you'll be stuck on edge with the tegra.
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Thanks everyone. The reason I wasn't trying to benchmark the phones was that I wasn't at home (no WiFi) and since tegra version doesn't have 3g I couldn't download antutu. Yesterday I ran antutu on them both. Snapdragon got 41000(40991 to be precise) and tegra got 36000.I am keeping snapdragon version.
Thanks again.Btw sometimes the back bottom and home buttons light don't work properly (turn off after some time). Is this hardware issue or what. I don't really have any problem. I just turn them all of from settings. just wanted to know if anyone knows how to fix this. the menu bottom lights work fine .
Hey guys.
Can someone with an Exynos Note9 test out Dolphin's performance?
As far as I can make out, previous phones with Exynos were missing important OpenGL drivers, or the kernel was out of date, or something. This caused Dolphin to really struggle.
The Snapdragon variants of devices never had this problem.
Samsung is making a big deal out of having Vulkan support, so does this improve Dolphin's performance?
Yeah some one try.
The Mali GPU has less benchmark school than even SD835 which came Last year thought.
can you answer this question about dolphin on exynos please ?
A user posted this on a sammobile article about the pie beta:
"Well done Samsung…9 Pie is great,smooth,fast and very nice to use….they should have just released it to everyone instead of beta.
1. GPU Drivers have been updated so emulators like Dolphin play games full speed
2. Games in general…from playstore are smooth..no lags…playing Asphalt 9 on Dex…
3. Can now use any HDMI to USB C cable for Dex to work
4. Battery life seems to have improved in my case
5. Dark theme works perfect
6. Camera seems to have improved
7. Multitasking is fast and fluid, apps don’t refresh
8. With no app running free RAM is 1.65GB on S9
Now playing Nintendo Wii games at full speed.
S9 SM-G960F"
I've been reading an article where it compares the benchmarks of both the Exynos and Snapdragon versions of the phone, and it's like they're two different phones. The Snapdragon outperforms the Exynos on nearly everything by a big margin.
Is there any chance the Pie update will improve these scores?
I'd post the links but i'm a new user, so I can't. Apologies.
Thanks.
Badmanowl said:
A user posted this on a sammobile article about the pie beta:
"Well done Samsung…9 Pie is great,smooth,fast and very nice to use….they should have just released it to everyone instead of beta.
1. GPU Drivers have been updated so emulators like Dolphin play games full speed
2. Games in general…from playstore are smooth..no lags…playing Asphalt 9 on Dex…
3. Can now use any HDMI to USB C cable for Dex to work
4. Battery life seems to have improved in my case
5. Dark theme works perfect
6. Camera seems to have improved
7. Multitasking is fast and fluid, apps don’t refresh
8. With no app running free RAM is 1.65GB on S9
Now playing Nintendo Wii games at full speed.
S9 SM-G960F"
I've been reading an article where it compares the benchmarks of both the Exynos and Snapdragon versions of the phone, and it's like they're two different phones. The Snapdragon outperforms the Exynos on nearly everything by a big margin.
Is there any chance the Pie update will improve these scores?
I'd post the links but i'm a new user, so I can't. Apologies.
Thanks.
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Samsung did a lot to the exynos 9810 control leading to noticeable improvements in battery life, performance, fluidity. I am pretty sure they will continue that on the android 9 update. Even if the sd variant keep it's lead on benchmarks, atleast now and in the future the exynos 9810 will not be disappointing. So in short - yes, the android 9 will improve everything about the phone no matter the variant.
We have reached that time where the price of the Note 9 has dropped enough that it has become a really attractive option for those of us looking for a feature packed flagship phone at well below the $1000 mark.
I have decided that I am going to buy the Note 9, it's just a case of deciding which variant. I live in Southern Africa where we don't have support for Samsung Pay and we are not ready for the latest LTE technologies, so as long as I have working LTE, I am not concerned too much about these features.
With that said, it's still desireable to me to have the fastest option I can get within my budget because I want a fast and fluid user experience.
Apparently the Android Pie update has improved the performance of the Eynos variants of the Note 9 by a considerable amount.
So my question is, as it stands today, how does the Snapdragon variant compare to the Exynos variant in terms of performance?
Aside from performance and rooting, what other considerations or differences are there when deciding between the Hong Kong N9600 and the global N960FD variants? (Are there any major drawbacks or issues to consider when selecting one variant over the other? Build quality, storage performance/ Inferior components in one model vs the other etc..) (I read that snapdragon has touch latency. How bad is it and are there any other issues on either variant)
One unfortunate consideration is that my favorite color, the Metallic Copper, is unfortunately not available in N9600 variant. I have seen that the new white color is available in N9600 but I actually prefer the Note 9 in darker colors.
Note. I have confirmed that both variants support the bands for local mobile operators
Please help me decide!!!
how does the Snapdragon variant compare to the Exynos variant in terms of performance? This question has been answered countless times, just search "note 9 exynos vs snapdragon" on YouTube and you'll find loads of content. The difference is pretty small, I'm pretty sure you'd find it hard to notice any difference in real life.
Fastest - Probably N9600
Build quality - The same
storage performance - The same
Inferior components in one model vs the other - As far as we know, there should be no differences other than the SOC.
I searched for "touch latency" in the N9 Q&A area and this thread was the only thing that appeared, so I'd say that's probably not much of an issue.
The only difference worth mentioning other than performance and rooting as you mentioned, is game emulation, basically the Exynos isn't really supported.
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how does the Snapdragon variant compare to the Exynos variant in terms of performance? This question has been answered countless times, just search "note 9 exynos vs snapdragon" on YouTube and you'll find loads of content. The difference is pretty small, I'm pretty sure you'd find it hard to notice any difference in real life.
Fastest - Probably N9600
Build quality - The same
storage performance - The same
Inferior components in one model vs the other - As far as we know, there should be no differences other than the SOC.
I searched for "touch latency" in the N9 Q&A area and this thread was the only thing that appeared, so I'd say that's probably not much of an issue.
The only difference worth mentioning other than performance and rooting as you mentioned, is game emulation, basically the Exynos isn't really supported.
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I have searched for the difference on YouTube and google but the results are related to tests that were done before the Android Pie upgrade, as mentioned in my post above. There are some comments on those YouTube videos and on the Anandtech website where people are claiming that the performance of the Exynos variant has improved significantly, however there don't seem to be any official tests to confirm this. With so many members in this forum having both variants, I am hoping that we can get some answers here.
In the Anandtech tests, the Snapdragon variant was quite considerably faster in nearly every test. Certainly nowhere near evenly matched.
So, how close is the performance of the Exynos variant now after the Pie update with One UI?
Thanks for the feedback on the other questions.
So all you really need is someone to test an Exynos device on Oreo and Pie and see if the results differ. I'm happy to do that for you a bit later, name me the benchmarks you'd like to see and I'll see what I can do.
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So all you really need is someone to test an Exynos device on Oreo and Pie and see if the results differ. I'm happy to do that for you a bit later, name me the benchmarks you'd like to see and I'll see what I can do.
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If you don't mind (Since this will be quite a time consuming process), yes please, I think it would be really interesting to compare the Pie (On One UI) results with those in the Anandtech tests.
I'm not sure if I am allowed to post the link but you can Google the Note 9 Snapdragon vs Exynos test by Anandtech.
They used the following benchmarks:
PCMark 2.0
3DMark
GFXBench
Speedometer 2.0 (Runs in your Browser. Google it)
WeXPRT 3 (Runs in your browser. Google it)
Sounds good to me, I'll be flashing the Oreo and Pie versions of Devbase as it's as stable as it gets.
for what its worth here are some geekbench results done on a korean n960n exynos ( its not a 9600 or 960f as stated in recent discussions but i can vouch for the build quality, have not seen one screen or other defect issue reported from an other n960n user. cant say the same for 960f or 960u...forums are full of them)
https://browser.geekbench.com/user/Bober101
january results are on Pie.
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for what its worth here are some geekbench results done on a korean n960n exynos ( its not a 9600 or 960f as stated in recent discussions but i can vouch for the build quality, have not seen one screen or other defect issue reported from an other n960n user. cant say the same for 960f or 960u...forums are full of them)
https://browser.geekbench.com/user/Bober101
january results are on Pie.
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Out of interest, where was the n960n manufactured? It seems like the n960n is considerably less popular on XDA (a quick search in the Q&A area shows a total of about 5 threads referencing the device, out of the ~770 total threads), which is probably why we see less issues reported.
I know that 960f is for Australia and Europe.
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I've just finished testing Oreo vs Pie. Unlike Anandtech, I'm not using obfuscated applications IDs to avoid benchmark detection, I'm just installing direct from the Play store, so I don't know if that will have any effect on the scores. I'm also letting the device cool between tests and running on battery power (In the 50 - 70% range) as that seems like the best way to keep things consistent.
Here are the Oreo results: https://photos.app.goo.gl/JrA2XdaB8zcTZbNV9
And the Pie results: https://photos.app.goo.gl/HDGmEENdVsPLkdCJ7
It does indeed seem like some improvements have been made, I don't know where the improvements come from, whether it's the newer version of Android or tweaks Samsung have made. It'd be interesting if an owner of a Snapdragon device could do similar tests.
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I've just finished testing Oreo vs Pie. Unlike Anandtech, I'm not using obfuscated applications IDs to avoid benchmark detection, I'm just installing direct from the Play store, so I don't know if that will have any effect on the scores. I'm also letting the device cool between tests and running on battery power (In the 50 - 70% range) as that seems like the best way to keep things consistent.
Here are the Oreo results: https://photos.app.goo.gl/JrA2XdaB8zcTZbNV9
And the Pie results: https://photos.app.goo.gl/HDGmEENdVsPLkdCJ7
It does indeed seem like some improvements have been made, I don't know where the improvements come from, whether it's the newer version of Android or tweaks Samsung have made. It'd be interesting if an owner of a Snapdragon device could do similar tests.
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Those are some interesting results across the board. It is clear that Samsung has done a fair amount of optimization although the SD845 is still faster in most of the benchmarks according to Anandtech results.
Thank you so much for the detailed time and effort that you have put into running the benchmark tests and uploading the results.
I think you just may have convinced me to go for the Exynos variant in the color that I want, knowing that the performance has improved to within reach of the SD845. :good:
I wasn't really trying to convince you one way or another but to be honest, I'd say the colour of the device is possibly more important, you're looking at the device every time you use it but the performance difference between the two SOC's in real life is pretty negligible.
Exynos version has a stock call recording feature. Snapdragon not. This thing it a most important for me.
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Out of interest, where was the n960n manufactured? It seems like the n960n is considerably less popular on XDA (a quick search in the Q&A area shows a total of about 5 threads referencing the device, out of the ~770 total threads), which is probably why we see less issues reported.
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korea!
yeah i know but of those threads, i would of thought that at lest once would an issue come up. i also had a note 8, same deal, n950n pristine device. no one ever complained. but again as you point out, might be simple probability
one thing to consider, if the devices were not targeted to as a big population as the F's or U's( no pun intended lol ) then quality control might have been better because they simply produced less and... Maybe they produce nicer phones for themselves...lol you don't chit where you eat as they say.
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for what its worth, i had started a thread about note 9 issues:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/how-to/note-9-country-origin-vs-defects-t3841388
I wouldn't bother with any of that. Get a note 9 from whomever offers the best warranty would be my first choice of criteria.
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So i have now the note 4 ...i know old runner
But it's amazing phone
And of course i need to upgrade
There's a deal for note 9 for about 660$
But the problem it is exynos version
I can't make a decision
I wanted the snapdragons version it's not available any where i live
And there is no option expect the (one plus 6t) and it is near the same price
I think every advantage go to Samsung
The display the camera The mic the vibration motor
Just the processor is the advantage to the OnePlus and the 2gig of ram
But again it's exynos and i read allot of thing about the performance and the battery drain withe allot of benchmark and test
I play games ((pubg)) especially
Can you advice me ..?
How is the phone after pie update?
And did you play games...how was the performance ?
I consider my self heavy user
I don't know what to do i think my head is melting ....these a big thing to me i don't change my phone offen
And Samsung was good with me in the note serice
But the SOC is very frustrated
Thanks and sorry for my English
ahmedwhy said:
So i have now the note 4 ...i know old runner
But it's amazing phone
And of course i need to upgrade
There's a deal for note 9 for about 660$
But the problem it is exynos version
I can't make a decision
I wanted the snapdragons version it's not available any where i live
And there is no option expect the (one plus 6t) and it is near the same price
I think every advantage go to Samsung
The display the camera The mic the vibration motor
Just the processor is the advantage to the OnePlus and the 2gig of ram
But again it's exynos and i read allot of thing about the performance and the battery drain withe allot of benchmark and test
I play games ((pubg)) especially
Can you advice me ..?
How is the phone after pie update?
And did you play games...how was the performance ?
I consider my self heavy user
I don't know what to do i think my head is melting ....these a big thing to me i don't change my phone offen
And Samsung was good with me in the note serice
But the SOC is very frustrated
Thanks and sorry for my English
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If your budget allows you to spend more, you can get a Note 9 with a Snapdragon processor from eBay (imported from Hong Kong) for around U$700 - 800 including shipping. If you are fixed at $660 then there really isn't anything to consider, just go for the option (Eynos Note 9) that you have available to you now.
I think its clear from the results posted earlier in this thread that the performance of the Exynos variants has improved with Android Pie and isn't trailing too far behind the Snapdragon variants anymore. Battery life has also improved a lot since the launch of the S9 series with the same SoC.
As stated in earlier posts, the real-world performance difference is very small. The Eynos 9810 is still very much a flagship SoC and is more than capable of delivering top performance in the games that are currently available on Android. Coming from a Note 4, your new Exynos based Note will feel buttery smooth while delivering plenty of value in other areas as well. (Battery life, screen quality, features like new Bluetooth S-pen and wireless charging, camera image quality etc..)
As a side note, the Exynos variants seem to be getting updated to Android Pie with One UI already, while the Snapdragon variants are still waiting.
Byte_76 said:
If your budget allows you to spend more, you can get a Note 9 with a Snapdragon processor from eBay (imported from Hong Kong) for around U$700 - 800 including shipping. If you are fixed at $660 then there really isn't anything to consider, just go for the option (Eynos Note 9) that you have available to you now.
I think its clear from the results posted earlier in this thread that the performance of the Exynos variants has improved with Android Pie and isn't trailing too far behind the Snapdragon variants anymore. Battery life has also improved a lot since the launch of the S9 series with the same SoC.
As stated in earlier posts, the real-world performance difference is very small. The Eynos 9810 is still very much a flagship SoC and is more than capable of delivering top performance in the games that are currently available on Android. Coming from a Note 4, your new Exynos based Note will feel buttery smooth while delivering plenty of value in other areas as well. (Battery life, screen quality, features like new Bluetooth S-pen and wireless charging, camera image quality etc..)
As a side note, the Exynos variants seem to be getting updated to Android Pie with One UI already, while the Snapdragon variants are still waiting.
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Thank you very much for answering
I think you convince me to go with note 9
I can't order from eBay it's out of my budget
I think the performance gab between the two has decreased now after pie update
And i care allot for developer community in the long way
That's what makes my note 4 useable until now
One thing i can't keep out of my head
There's a phone half the price of mine with faster SOC and better game play (pocophone)
But as a package
I will go with note 9 exynos and try to forget :victory:
Good move! Your going to like the EXynos...
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Good move! Your going to like the EXynos...
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Is that a sarcasm