We have reached that time where the price of the Note 9 has dropped enough that it has become a really attractive option for those of us looking for a feature packed flagship phone at well below the $1000 mark.
I have decided that I am going to buy the Note 9, it's just a case of deciding which variant. I live in Southern Africa where we don't have support for Samsung Pay and we are not ready for the latest LTE technologies, so as long as I have working LTE, I am not concerned too much about these features.
With that said, it's still desireable to me to have the fastest option I can get within my budget because I want a fast and fluid user experience.
Apparently the Android Pie update has improved the performance of the Eynos variants of the Note 9 by a considerable amount.
So my question is, as it stands today, how does the Snapdragon variant compare to the Exynos variant in terms of performance?
Aside from performance and rooting, what other considerations or differences are there when deciding between the Hong Kong N9600 and the global N960FD variants? (Are there any major drawbacks or issues to consider when selecting one variant over the other? Build quality, storage performance/ Inferior components in one model vs the other etc..) (I read that snapdragon has touch latency. How bad is it and are there any other issues on either variant)
One unfortunate consideration is that my favorite color, the Metallic Copper, is unfortunately not available in N9600 variant. I have seen that the new white color is available in N9600 but I actually prefer the Note 9 in darker colors.
Note. I have confirmed that both variants support the bands for local mobile operators
Please help me decide!!!
how does the Snapdragon variant compare to the Exynos variant in terms of performance? This question has been answered countless times, just search "note 9 exynos vs snapdragon" on YouTube and you'll find loads of content. The difference is pretty small, I'm pretty sure you'd find it hard to notice any difference in real life.
Fastest - Probably N9600
Build quality - The same
storage performance - The same
Inferior components in one model vs the other - As far as we know, there should be no differences other than the SOC.
I searched for "touch latency" in the N9 Q&A area and this thread was the only thing that appeared, so I'd say that's probably not much of an issue.
The only difference worth mentioning other than performance and rooting as you mentioned, is game emulation, basically the Exynos isn't really supported.
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how does the Snapdragon variant compare to the Exynos variant in terms of performance? This question has been answered countless times, just search "note 9 exynos vs snapdragon" on YouTube and you'll find loads of content. The difference is pretty small, I'm pretty sure you'd find it hard to notice any difference in real life.
Fastest - Probably N9600
Build quality - The same
storage performance - The same
Inferior components in one model vs the other - As far as we know, there should be no differences other than the SOC.
I searched for "touch latency" in the N9 Q&A area and this thread was the only thing that appeared, so I'd say that's probably not much of an issue.
The only difference worth mentioning other than performance and rooting as you mentioned, is game emulation, basically the Exynos isn't really supported.
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I have searched for the difference on YouTube and google but the results are related to tests that were done before the Android Pie upgrade, as mentioned in my post above. There are some comments on those YouTube videos and on the Anandtech website where people are claiming that the performance of the Exynos variant has improved significantly, however there don't seem to be any official tests to confirm this. With so many members in this forum having both variants, I am hoping that we can get some answers here.
In the Anandtech tests, the Snapdragon variant was quite considerably faster in nearly every test. Certainly nowhere near evenly matched.
So, how close is the performance of the Exynos variant now after the Pie update with One UI?
Thanks for the feedback on the other questions.
So all you really need is someone to test an Exynos device on Oreo and Pie and see if the results differ. I'm happy to do that for you a bit later, name me the benchmarks you'd like to see and I'll see what I can do.
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So all you really need is someone to test an Exynos device on Oreo and Pie and see if the results differ. I'm happy to do that for you a bit later, name me the benchmarks you'd like to see and I'll see what I can do.
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If you don't mind (Since this will be quite a time consuming process), yes please, I think it would be really interesting to compare the Pie (On One UI) results with those in the Anandtech tests.
I'm not sure if I am allowed to post the link but you can Google the Note 9 Snapdragon vs Exynos test by Anandtech.
They used the following benchmarks:
PCMark 2.0
3DMark
GFXBench
Speedometer 2.0 (Runs in your Browser. Google it)
WeXPRT 3 (Runs in your browser. Google it)
Sounds good to me, I'll be flashing the Oreo and Pie versions of Devbase as it's as stable as it gets.
for what its worth here are some geekbench results done on a korean n960n exynos ( its not a 9600 or 960f as stated in recent discussions but i can vouch for the build quality, have not seen one screen or other defect issue reported from an other n960n user. cant say the same for 960f or 960u...forums are full of them)
https://browser.geekbench.com/user/Bober101
january results are on Pie.
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for what its worth here are some geekbench results done on a korean n960n exynos ( its not a 9600 or 960f as stated in recent discussions but i can vouch for the build quality, have not seen one screen or other defect issue reported from an other n960n user. cant say the same for 960f or 960u...forums are full of them)
https://browser.geekbench.com/user/Bober101
january results are on Pie.
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Out of interest, where was the n960n manufactured? It seems like the n960n is considerably less popular on XDA (a quick search in the Q&A area shows a total of about 5 threads referencing the device, out of the ~770 total threads), which is probably why we see less issues reported.
I know that 960f is for Australia and Europe.
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I've just finished testing Oreo vs Pie. Unlike Anandtech, I'm not using obfuscated applications IDs to avoid benchmark detection, I'm just installing direct from the Play store, so I don't know if that will have any effect on the scores. I'm also letting the device cool between tests and running on battery power (In the 50 - 70% range) as that seems like the best way to keep things consistent.
Here are the Oreo results: https://photos.app.goo.gl/JrA2XdaB8zcTZbNV9
And the Pie results: https://photos.app.goo.gl/HDGmEENdVsPLkdCJ7
It does indeed seem like some improvements have been made, I don't know where the improvements come from, whether it's the newer version of Android or tweaks Samsung have made. It'd be interesting if an owner of a Snapdragon device could do similar tests.
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I've just finished testing Oreo vs Pie. Unlike Anandtech, I'm not using obfuscated applications IDs to avoid benchmark detection, I'm just installing direct from the Play store, so I don't know if that will have any effect on the scores. I'm also letting the device cool between tests and running on battery power (In the 50 - 70% range) as that seems like the best way to keep things consistent.
Here are the Oreo results: https://photos.app.goo.gl/JrA2XdaB8zcTZbNV9
And the Pie results: https://photos.app.goo.gl/HDGmEENdVsPLkdCJ7
It does indeed seem like some improvements have been made, I don't know where the improvements come from, whether it's the newer version of Android or tweaks Samsung have made. It'd be interesting if an owner of a Snapdragon device could do similar tests.
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Those are some interesting results across the board. It is clear that Samsung has done a fair amount of optimization although the SD845 is still faster in most of the benchmarks according to Anandtech results.
Thank you so much for the detailed time and effort that you have put into running the benchmark tests and uploading the results.
I think you just may have convinced me to go for the Exynos variant in the color that I want, knowing that the performance has improved to within reach of the SD845. :good:
I wasn't really trying to convince you one way or another but to be honest, I'd say the colour of the device is possibly more important, you're looking at the device every time you use it but the performance difference between the two SOC's in real life is pretty negligible.
Exynos version has a stock call recording feature. Snapdragon not. This thing it a most important for me.
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Out of interest, where was the n960n manufactured? It seems like the n960n is considerably less popular on XDA (a quick search in the Q&A area shows a total of about 5 threads referencing the device, out of the ~770 total threads), which is probably why we see less issues reported.
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korea!
yeah i know but of those threads, i would of thought that at lest once would an issue come up. i also had a note 8, same deal, n950n pristine device. no one ever complained. but again as you point out, might be simple probability
one thing to consider, if the devices were not targeted to as a big population as the F's or U's( no pun intended lol ) then quality control might have been better because they simply produced less and... Maybe they produce nicer phones for themselves...lol you don't chit where you eat as they say.
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for what its worth, i had started a thread about note 9 issues:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/how-to/note-9-country-origin-vs-defects-t3841388
I wouldn't bother with any of that. Get a note 9 from whomever offers the best warranty would be my first choice of criteria.
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So i have now the note 4 ...i know old runner
But it's amazing phone
And of course i need to upgrade
There's a deal for note 9 for about 660$
But the problem it is exynos version
I can't make a decision
I wanted the snapdragons version it's not available any where i live
And there is no option expect the (one plus 6t) and it is near the same price
I think every advantage go to Samsung
The display the camera The mic the vibration motor
Just the processor is the advantage to the OnePlus and the 2gig of ram
But again it's exynos and i read allot of thing about the performance and the battery drain withe allot of benchmark and test
I play games ((pubg)) especially
Can you advice me ..?
How is the phone after pie update?
And did you play games...how was the performance ?
I consider my self heavy user
I don't know what to do i think my head is melting ....these a big thing to me i don't change my phone offen
And Samsung was good with me in the note serice
But the SOC is very frustrated
Thanks and sorry for my English
ahmedwhy said:
So i have now the note 4 ...i know old runner
But it's amazing phone
And of course i need to upgrade
There's a deal for note 9 for about 660$
But the problem it is exynos version
I can't make a decision
I wanted the snapdragons version it's not available any where i live
And there is no option expect the (one plus 6t) and it is near the same price
I think every advantage go to Samsung
The display the camera The mic the vibration motor
Just the processor is the advantage to the OnePlus and the 2gig of ram
But again it's exynos and i read allot of thing about the performance and the battery drain withe allot of benchmark and test
I play games ((pubg)) especially
Can you advice me ..?
How is the phone after pie update?
And did you play games...how was the performance ?
I consider my self heavy user
I don't know what to do i think my head is melting ....these a big thing to me i don't change my phone offen
And Samsung was good with me in the note serice
But the SOC is very frustrated
Thanks and sorry for my English
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If your budget allows you to spend more, you can get a Note 9 with a Snapdragon processor from eBay (imported from Hong Kong) for around U$700 - 800 including shipping. If you are fixed at $660 then there really isn't anything to consider, just go for the option (Eynos Note 9) that you have available to you now.
I think its clear from the results posted earlier in this thread that the performance of the Exynos variants has improved with Android Pie and isn't trailing too far behind the Snapdragon variants anymore. Battery life has also improved a lot since the launch of the S9 series with the same SoC.
As stated in earlier posts, the real-world performance difference is very small. The Eynos 9810 is still very much a flagship SoC and is more than capable of delivering top performance in the games that are currently available on Android. Coming from a Note 4, your new Exynos based Note will feel buttery smooth while delivering plenty of value in other areas as well. (Battery life, screen quality, features like new Bluetooth S-pen and wireless charging, camera image quality etc..)
As a side note, the Exynos variants seem to be getting updated to Android Pie with One UI already, while the Snapdragon variants are still waiting.
Byte_76 said:
If your budget allows you to spend more, you can get a Note 9 with a Snapdragon processor from eBay (imported from Hong Kong) for around U$700 - 800 including shipping. If you are fixed at $660 then there really isn't anything to consider, just go for the option (Eynos Note 9) that you have available to you now.
I think its clear from the results posted earlier in this thread that the performance of the Exynos variants has improved with Android Pie and isn't trailing too far behind the Snapdragon variants anymore. Battery life has also improved a lot since the launch of the S9 series with the same SoC.
As stated in earlier posts, the real-world performance difference is very small. The Eynos 9810 is still very much a flagship SoC and is more than capable of delivering top performance in the games that are currently available on Android. Coming from a Note 4, your new Exynos based Note will feel buttery smooth while delivering plenty of value in other areas as well. (Battery life, screen quality, features like new Bluetooth S-pen and wireless charging, camera image quality etc..)
As a side note, the Exynos variants seem to be getting updated to Android Pie with One UI already, while the Snapdragon variants are still waiting.
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Thank you very much for answering
I think you convince me to go with note 9
I can't order from eBay it's out of my budget
I think the performance gab between the two has decreased now after pie update
And i care allot for developer community in the long way
That's what makes my note 4 useable until now
One thing i can't keep out of my head
There's a phone half the price of mine with faster SOC and better game play (pocophone)
But as a package
I will go with note 9 exynos and try to forget :victory:
Good move! Your going to like the EXynos...
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Good move! Your going to like the EXynos...
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Hello,
I have both devices on my desk, and despite of the great Snapdragon 600 and 2 GB of RAM there are some important (for me!) apps, that work definitely faster on the S3 so far:
MX Player: The same .mkv videos play very smooth on the S3, at about only 20% CPU use according to "Cool Tool". On the S4a, it needs about 80-90% CPU and it´s not smooth and shows noticeable microstutters. Anybody who experienced that?
Osmand (very good OSM Maps for outdoor activity): S4a needs a looot more time to draw the same map-area with all Details, than on the S3. Ok, S4a has higher screen solution, but hey, what´s the Snapdragon 600 good for?! (Maps on both devices located in internal SD of course!)
But of course, you take sdvantage of the 2GB RAM as the S4a switches very fast between apps.
Hm...together with the wider-angled camera and much higher display contrast, which under bright sun makes it almost up for the brighter screen of the S4a, I´m almost up to send back the S4a and keep my old S3... :crying:
Silly question but I'll ask for verification, since I never owned an S3, do you have "Power Saving" mode on in the S4? That will slow it down.
According to benchmarks that I and others have been doing recently (not that Quadrant is the best damned benchmark there is, and it really does need some significant updates but that's another thread altogether), the GS4A is working precisely as it should be. With Antutu the results are somewhat stable (as of the 4.0.2 Antutu update from a day ago), and again it's providing results that are where they should be.
For Quadrant I'm getting 12,000+ scores now that Safestrap is detecting and initializing all for cores properly (whereas before it wasn't and the scores were in the 8,000 to 9,000 range), and with Antutu where I was getting scores in the 22,000 to 23,000 range they're now pushing almost 28,000 - yesterday I did a test after a reboot and got 27,958 which is my highest score to date.
(and realize these are "stock" speed results, we still don't have overclocking yet because of the locked bootloader and stock kernel on the I537 AT&T model which I and many others have hence the necessity of using Safestrap - thank you again, Hashcode).
So for me, I've yet to encounter issues with the GS4A I have, not one worth complaining about or even considering selling it. But then again I got mine for $100 on craigslist and I haven't been anything but loving it so far.
I use MX Player (which I finally bought a few days ago after using the free version for nearly 2 years now), plays everything I throw at it without skipping a beat (or a frame for that matter). You may be trying to play items that aren't being hardware accelerated properly on the GS4A - make sure you enable the HW+ decoder (in MX Player under Settings - Decoder) which is the best way to handle decoding content with that app.
As for the others, I can't say for sure. If you're running a pure stock ROM then perhaps running a custom one might alleviate some of the issues you're mentioning. It's entirely possible you could have a defective GS4A as well - but I've used a GS3 before and the first time I used a GS4A (even before owning one) I noticed a huge difference in performance even on the demo model I was testing out in an AT&T store: the GS4A just left the GS3 in the dust, basically (and the GS4A is built to work in dust, go figure...).
I don't know which specific GS4A you have (International I9295 or AT&T I537) so... check into the custom ROM thing - for the I9295 there are several available but for the I537 we're still stuck with just the AOSP ROM which can be installed using Safestrap. Hopefully designgears will have that "leak" of the latest build for our I537 model here shortly...
Thank you for your answer.
Well, the thing is, I actually don´t run benchmarks if I´m hiking . I pointed out that noticeable negative in-use difference in performance between a stock S3 and a stock 9295, with apps that probably many people also will run if they are outdoors with their S4A.. But to check if the device is not defective, I ran the benchmarks and of course did get about the same values.
Thats what everybody can test by themselves, its a fair competition: The mentioned apps on both devices, of course with same settings, and you will see.
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INTRO -
Hi all.I made this guide to help people to buy good device.As you all have experience of a worst device,a device which doesn't even run Decent app's or games and from now onwards lets atleast make sure that we buy a Good device
We usually GOOGLE about some good device's out there where we follow what actually the Website's say blindly,but i really don't prefer it.I dont prefer it 'cause the Reviewer usually thinks with a Normal User mentality.We should not only look out for better specs but also for Developer support.Here let's get independent and take the decision of buying phone's by ourself .
ABOUT ANDROID-
Android is a software bunch comprising not only operating system but also middleware and key applications.Android is still very much the ARM instruction set and all Android open source build's are geared towards ARM processors.Android is an ARM-centric OS.Android is a powerful Operating System supporting a large number of applications in Smart Phones. These applications make life more comfortable and advanced for the users. Hardwares that support Android are mainly based on ARM architecture platformApplications
These are the basics of Android applications:
• Android applications are composed of one or more application components (activities, services, content providers, and broadcast receivers)
• Each component performs a different role in the overall application behavior, and each one can be activated individually (even by other applications)
• The manifest file must declare all components in the application and should also declare all application requirements, such as the minimum version of Android required and any hardware configurations required
• Non-code application resources (images, strings, layout files, etc.) should include alternatives for different device configurations (such as different strings for different languages)
THE ARM Processor Family(ABOUT PROCESSOR'S)
ABOUT ARM :
ARM (Advance RISC machines) is a UK company that built's RISC processor's.ARM doesn't sell microphone's intead it linces it's technology to other companies along with the option to drop the Vanilla (non-modified) ARM core in their SoC (System On Chip).Many company's like Qualcom,nVidia create their own processor by using ARM design as Blue-print and yeah ARM has it's share in the profit .
ABOUT SoC (System On Chip) :
The system on Chip is single peice of chip which comprises of CPU,GPU,memory controller ..etc . SoC may either have ARM or x86 core technology.It is a unique chip which is a package that has Baseband,host of controller's that are need to process data.SoC is one single chip which is fabricated with the above stated functions.SOC's are efficient and reduce memory overhead.Top notch Company's's like Qualcom,nVidia,Apple built their SOC's using the blue-print processor design provided by ARM
INSTRUCTION SET :
These are special functions that has a processor can perform several stuff such as Arithmetic instruction,floating point,bit manipulation..etc . ARM support's a variety of instruction's like x86..etc..They also support 64-bit which are high and powerful performance computing chips,whereas 32-bit chips are low-powered,Little performance deliverer .. ARM also support complex instuctions like SIMD instructions
THE ARM ARCHITECTURE :
The ARM Architecture is the base for all ARM related Core's. Usually a companies like Qualcomm,broadcom ,etc which would be creating custom cores will license the Architecture for tweaking it from ARM itself.Using the Architecture and fine-tuning it for special work such as Real Time processing or High complex level purpose they create a particular Family names like Cortex-A, Cortex-R...etc .
THE ARM CORE :
By varying the core clock speed,instruction set,,ARM Produces many cores for SOC builder's . Such is Cortex A7,A8,A9 core family.Cortex family in used in almost every Top Notch device out there.Its completely depends on the OEM/Vendor to opt for the core's that are needed for their Device
So,let's now move to the Basic point's one must keep in mind to buy an Android device ..
1 . SCREEN SIZE :
This is the first thing that must Flash into our mind before buying an Android Device .Screen size is subjective and should be based on your taste.Still,smartphone,it's better to opt for a screen,that's bigger than 4" inches for a Device and more than 7" inches would do good for a Tablet.
2 . RESOLUTION :
Look out for the device which has higher PPI (pixels per inch) value .. PPI more than 250 is considered good but higher the PPI the better the device would be .The best part is that these devices offer the ability to pinch to zoom or tap to zoom which aids in reading even with a lower-size display
3 . HARDWARE :
In terms of Android OS one needs better hardware to get a lacklustre view of browsing and the fact 'THE HIGHER THE BETTER" apply's here too ..Architecture and process nodes boost performance more than stuffing in more cores with enhancement's .. Phone's with Quad-core SOC'S will surely lead to batter draining .. Go for the device which is powered by cortex A9 , A7 technology paired with Quad core's or even dual core's .
3.1 . GPU : ]
Some of the best GPU'S out there are made by Qualcomm (adreno) ,ARM (mali) ..But make sure that you device doesn't have a BROADCOM powered GPU.. Broadcomm has a closed-source policy and they make the Best Buggy GPU'S out there .. Better opt fo Qualcomm powered GPU .Anyway Adreno and Mali based GPU occupy a large chunk over the system and leaving less for you .so make sure your device has 1GB Ram..
4 . UPDATE'S OF ROM :
This is plagued by OEM'S or vendors.This is the main reson behind the stagnating with fragmentation's over verions .This is completely controlled by the device Vendor's .Though Samsung tops in place of providing update but that actually wont be that satisfactory...
Just make sure to check the developement status of the device which you decided to buy, here at XDA .Anyhow if you want a Future-proof device regarding the upgrades then better stick to Nexus Line Family device which are provided by the tech Gaint and Android owner "GOOGLE"..
Hope this thread helped you ..
credits:
OSY team for providing Such Knowledge
@mathm2013 @Hitesh2626 @DamnTarget FOR FEEDBACK
GFX Bandits and my whatsapp friends ..
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BroadComm for the knowledge they gave to never buy a BCM-powered device again
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Google Nexus 5
$349 (16 GB) or $399 (32 GB) unlocked, but don’t call it “cheap.” Also available starting at $410 on Swappa. With class leading specs and excellent software and developer support, the Nexus 5 is a force to be reckoned with.
You can’t even begin to think about creating a list of the best phones currently available—at any price—without at least mentioning the Google Nexus 5. The LG-sourced device packs some serious computing firepower, including the current best-in-class quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 processor running at 2.26 GHz. It also packs 2 GB of RAM, a 2300 mAh battery, and a gorgeous 5″ 1080p screen with pixels dense enough so that it doesn’t even matter anymore. The camera isn’t the best in the world, and neither is its speaker volume, but both of these issues have since been mitigated somewhat.
What makes this device special isn’t its admittedly great hardware. No, it’s the software. With a stock version of the latest and greatest Android and Google have to offer, as well as virtually limitless development potential, the Nexus 5 is a software tour-de-force.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? fastboot oem unlock. Need I say more?
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Yes.
Multiboot? YES!
LG G2
$650 unlocked (or under $200 with carrier subsidy). Also available starting at $470 on Swappa.
Close cousin to the Nexus 5, the LG G2 shares many of its internals with the N5. Though the device features a larger screen and a markedly better camera, it also is weighed down by an OEM skin that only a mother could love. Despite that, the device still packs solid performance, and with a little aftermarket development love, it can truly shine.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes (guide).
Unlockable? Loki Patch.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official AOKP, OmniROM, CyanogenMod, and Paranoid Android available.
Multiboot? No.
Sony Xperia Z1
$609 unlocked. Also available starting at $450 on Swappa.
Sony’s flagship for late 2013 packs quite a punch in the specs department. The device features a super speedy processor, excellent camera, competent screen, and amazing developer friendliness from the OEM.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official OmniROM and CyanogenMod available.
Multiboot? No.
Moto X
$529 unlocked (or $99 with carrier subsidy). Also available starting at $390 on Swappa. Motorola’s flagship isn’t so much a flagship as it is an everyman’s phone.
Rather than cramming as many MHz and GB as possible into as think a device as possible, Motorola chose a different path. They instead came up with a few incredibly innovative software additions and tailored the hardware to match. As such, the Moto X doesn’t directly compete with the Samsung Galaxies and the HTC Ones of the world, at least not in raw specs, but it doesn’t have to. It’s a great device that offers solid performance and a reasonably good screen. And the touchless controls aren’t just the icing on the cake; they are the cake.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? RockMyMoto.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? RockMyMoto
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Not at the moment. A few source-built ROMs including official PAC nightlies, but no official PA, Omni, or CM for the device.
Multiboot? No.
PHABLETS
Samsung Galaxy Note 3http://www.xda-developers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/samsung-galaxy-note-3-300x236.jpg
$645 unlocked (or under $300 with carrier subsidy). Also available starting at $550 on Swappa. When you need to do more, you can with various Samsung S Pen apps.
The Galaxy Note 3 continues to be the only very large phone that truly offers a “phablet” experience. Rather that simply making a very large phone, Samsung has made a device that is capable of doing fundamentally more than most phones. Now, you need to deal with TouchWiz in order to gain this functionality. But for many, the trade-off is well worth it.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Yes, but depends on variant.
Multiboot? No.
Sony Xperia Z Ultra
$520 unlocked. Also available starting at $430 on Swappa.
Although it lacks the S Pen functionality of Samsung’s Galaxy Note 3, the Xperia Z Ultra has one added trick up its sleeve: the recently launched Z Ultra Google Play edition. Due to their hardware similarities, it’s not unreasonable to assume that the GPe ROM will be ported over to the standard device, and that’s good news for Z Ultra owners everywhere!
OLDER FLAGSHIP DEVICES
HTC One
$540 unlocked. Also starting at $329 on Swappa.
HTC Started the year off strong with the HTC One. When we covered the launch back in March, we were quite impressed with the device’s stunning screen, speedy processor, tasteful skin, and beautiful build quality. While the phone is no longer one of the fastest devices available, it is still a powerful device for those looking for a sculpted work of art, rather than the bleeding edge in mobile tech.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official OmniROM and CyanogenMod, depending on variant.
Multiboot? Yes!
Google Edition Conversion? Yes!
Samsung Galaxy S 4
$560 unlocked. Also starting at $380 on Swappa.
While it’s starting to fall behind in the specs war compared to newer devices, Samsung’s Galaxy S 4 still packs quite a bit of power, a fantastic screen, great battery life, a nice camera, and expandable storage. Furthermore, the device has a healthy development community with more mods, tweaks, ROMs, and kernels than you can shake a stick at.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Varies depending on variant, but generally yes.
Oppo Find 5
$500 unlocked. Also starting at $310 on Swappa.
The Oppo Find 5 is a great device with a fantastic camera and impeccable screen. Its Snapdragon S4 Pro is no longer the fastest SoC available, but it can still breeze through most tasks without any slowdown. Finally, Oppo’s developer-friendly attitude earns it a place among all the heavyweights.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official AOKP, Paranoid Android, and CyanogenMod.
On a Budget
Moto G
$179 (8 GB) or $199 (16 GB) direct.
This one’s simple. If you’ve only got $200 or less, and you want an unlocked phone, get a Moto G. It’s a solid phone at an utterly fantastic price. Developer support isn’t quite there yet, but with such good price/performance, we can’t imagine it being too far.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? Through Motorola.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? better than galaxy ace-i's
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Are you sure you don't want to credit also BroadCom for the knowledge they gave you and us? They teached us to never buy a BCM-powered device again (except for a Raspberry Pi maybe :fingercrossed: )
Reserved, just in case
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Giupy 99 said:
Are you sure you don't want to credit also BroadCom for the knowledge they gave you and us? They teached us to never buy a BCM-powered device again (except for a Raspberry Pi maybe :fingercrossed: )
Reserved, just in case
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Sure buddy .. lol
But i believe Dev support is because Moto G just arrived, we haven't seen much of what it can do until now. I believe it and Moto X are the best by relation price/benefit.
Note 3 the Best!
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But i believe Dev support is because Moto G just arrived, we haven't seen much of what it can do until now. I believe it and Moto X are the best by relation price/benefit.
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Believe me ,after Moto-G releases worldwide it might have Good developer support .. It might even have official support from CM,PAC,OmNI dev's ..
Motorola released the source code of Moto-x ,day before yesterday ..so in near future ,they might be releasing Moto-G source code along with device drivers ..
I like this phone!
Hey!
I like cooperve. Fact that there are complications made me to think more about all android. Right now I'm not so stupid as many people in supper-device-support-forum who are asking for any stupid thing. Compiling your own kernel because You want more freqs and ext2 (not ext4), and trying to trick device (Samsung reported 384MB RAM, CONFIG_CMDLINE uses 362MB, we have 289MB. I've increased CMDLINE to 364MB and nearly bricked device, but OS reported me 291MB Ha! ["?CONFIG_?"CMDLINE_FORCE=y]). Creating your own ROM (ROM created by someone else but You must customize it before flash). But I understand. I've bought this device for fun (I'm doing only this with all electronical equipment [even fridge]) and You don't must like this device.
My next step wil be GTAB2 + XPERIAZ.
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Note 3 the Best!
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One can buy it only if you enough money in your Hands ..
640 dollars buddy
Mr.Gentleman said:
One can buy it only if you enough money in your Hands ..
640 dollars buddy
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Not only money. Gotta see if it fits on your hand
Prestigio's phones are good with dual sim cards and big displays. Prestigio Website
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Prestigio's phones are good with dual sim cards and big displays. Prestigio Website
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Oh ! Great ! ..
Their are many many vendors which produce Good device at a reliable price but still the developer support will take us back ..
Their is a Local company in India called "MicroMax" this company actually became the whistle blower after releasing it's Canvas Device Family .. Even top companies like samsung,hTc faced tuff competition from this Canvas family device's ..But still this Great Company is called as "Re-Branded chinese device" (atleast refered as, by iamareebjamal) .. In similiar way every local company is called as "Chinese device" ,though it ain't ..
And great news guys ..tech Gaint Nokia is going to release its first Android device .. If they do,then samsung will be living in shadows of Nokia as it was some 4-6 years ago ..
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And great news guys ..tech Gaint Nokia is going to release its first Android device .. If they do,then samsung will be living in shadows of Nokia as it was some 4-6 years ago ..
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dont excite bro. i was heard that a while ago but now ive heard a new info about that nokia isnt gonna release an android device they will go with wp.
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Nokia Normandy was supposed to be the first Nokia Android device. It was code name for a device on which they were testing Android. But I don't know what is going to happen that changes the mind of a company which refused Android on the first hand, specially, after it's under Microsoft's control
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Nokia Normandy was supposed to be the first Nokia Android device. It was code name for a device on which they were testing Android. But I don't know what is going to happen that changes the mind of a company which refused Android on the first hand, specially, after it's under Microsoft's control
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Anyway Nokia took Wrong choice .They wanted to bring something out-of-box by taking Windows as their primary OS ... Unfortunately they hit the wrong store .
Though Microsoft's Metro UI and lumia family is good , they lost in options of Customization and in the Availability of Apps . ..
Anyway Jolla is Quite Awesome.. (must check it out ! )
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Anyway Jolla is Quite Awesome.. (must check it out ! )
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yeah sailfish os is quite awesome i loved it but i think its expensive for that hardware. i would buy it if its 300€
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Loved The second Post mahn. GG ^_^
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Lalit Patil said:
Loved The second Post mahn. GG ^_^
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Glad you like it .
Sooner or later i'm gonna add about best Tablet's in #3 post
For those who absolutely want an Android Lumia, there's a phone called "Nokia N9" which has an OS (MeeGO, the base of Jolla Sailfish) that is based on Linux. Some devs ported ICS and JB on it, take a look on YouTube
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http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/18/korean-samsung-galaxy-s5-has-qhd-snapdragon-805
Only for Korean market.
Oh Dear.... soon to be an influx of Samsung haters, saying the usual things like Samsung can go to hell, Samsung betrayed us ect ect ect.
Me i will continue to enjoy my bog standard S5, until i decide next year what to replace it with.
Too bad it's a korean exclusive for now
I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...
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I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...
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Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?
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So?? I don't get your logic.
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Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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There's been quite a bit of discussion in the M8 comparison thread about the impact of QHD on the LG G3. Cliff notes:
- Performance on S-801 took a pretty big hit
- Battery life took a hit
- Display contrast, black levels, and reflectivity all took hits
S-805 isn't a minor upgrade. It and Adreno 440 should allow QHD to perform as well and most likely better than S-801/1080P. So battery life and the quality of Samsung's QHD display are questions left to answer. The M8 thread also has discussion on the value of going from 1080P to QHD which is really pretty limited.
paddylaz said:
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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Performance isn't 'canceled out' since the 805 can handle Ultra HD (4K) screens. The following scteenshot is from Qualcomm's site which summarizes the specs of both the 801 and 805. Snapdragon 805 breakdown
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However, QHD content is currently limited to whatever bloat comes pre-installed from Samsung and wallpapers you can find online . As a result, people can't yet take full advantage of of that high res screen until app developers update their apps and there are very little YouTube videos above 1080p.
3GB RAM vs 2GB in the S5.
Great Samsung. Great.
That phone is a beast. But so is the regular galaxy S5. I don't think ppl should be upset really, its business. If you enjoy your phone then just enjoy it.
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There will be little or no QHD (2K) native content. Commercial content will be 1080p or UHD (4K). That means it'll be up and down scaled which impacts image quality. QHD is a marketing ploy of questionable value. Lots of reasons supporting this in the M8 comparison thread.
This is indeed a good read regarding Snapdragon 805's cpu and gpu power.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8035/qualcomm-snapdragon-805-performance-preview
From there I got couple important points:
The 805 can handle a QuadHD resolution device at the same frame rate and with same performance that an 801 can drive a 1080p device.
It is said to use 20% less power and provide 40% more performance compared to an 800 SoC
The 805 has small (comparatively) cpu boost and significant gpu and video engines boost.
The GPU tests were there. It nailed pretty much everything.
The 805 has HEVC HW decoder, but no HEVC HW Acceleration until the 810 SoC comes out in H1 2015.
I personally did not know what HEVC was. It is actually H.265 codec that provides magnificent video output at much lower bitrate than ax264/h.264 encoded video.
I curiously downloaded Big Buck Bunny 1080p encoded with HEVC that sized only 130 MB. The h.264/x264 encoded video was available at the Big Buck Bunny's official website to download which was roughly 700 MB. The 130 MB file indeed provided great output compared to its regular 700MB variant!
The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.
Apoxx said:
The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.
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Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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Yeah alot of times, many apps have to reload when multitasking, it´s clearly not as good at multitasking as the note3 for instance.
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Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-600<>1080p/S-800<>QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.
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So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-6001080p/S-800QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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Same here. And it's a Korea exclusive, I don't know why people are whining.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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That´s because the phone hibernates apps before it ever reaches full RAM usage. More RAM = more open apps which allows for faster multitasking. You´d think this was basic knowledge by now.
I´m sure you all have switched to an open app only to have it reload like it was first opened.
Coming from an iPhone with 1GB of ram I am overly aware of this issue.
And no I do not want the new S5, I just wish Samsung had put 3gb in the S5 in the first place, like they did in the note3.
Been on the fence trying to decide which one I want for the past two weeks.
Know the 5 blows away the Note 4 Snapdragon version performance wise but just how much faster and smoother is it compared to the Exynos version?
Can those of you who upgraded share your experience?
Was it really an upgrade?
Did you notice a big jump in performance?
How does the screen compare?
Thanks in advance!!!!
Sorry if this is not the comment you are looking for since I came from a Note 2, but I think it may help. When it comes down to deciding between these two phones (the same choice I had to make recently) it all comes down to the few features that are different and whether or not you NEED root. Removable battery was the biggest one for me but I think that issue will be taken care of by the battery cases once they are out, that said the battery lasts pretty long for 3000mah (I had a 6400mah in my note 2 and this lasts almost as long). If you NEED to root the phone for any reason you may as well go with a Note 4, since you lose Samsung pay capabilities which is one of the stand out features of this phone. If you NEED an IR sensor, again Note 4. If you want a really fast starting camera, want Samsung pay, don't mind using a USB SD card reader for expansion storage, a fingerprint reader that works great, and don't mind the non replaceable battery the Note 5 is a killer phone. It has surpassed all of my expectations coming up from a Note 2 that had Root, a 6400mah battery etc... This will be my first phone without root access, but I feel like I will not be missing too much. Hope this might help in your decision process, but if not just ignore.
Here's a detailed analysis of the two SoC's in the Note 4.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8718/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-exynos-review/11
The same architectural reasons Exynos was superior are the answer as to why the Note 5's Exynos chip is superior to the Note 4's. Each generation of new (not revised) chips are a leap above their predessors. S-810 being the exception because while it hit its performance expectations you could fry an egg with it.
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
Samsung Galaxy Note5 Pros
Exquisite design
More compact, with better screen-to-body size ratio
Better performance thanks to the superior hardware
Better battery life
Improved S Pen features
Revamped TouchWiz UI
Wireless fast charging out of the box
Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Pros
microSD card slot
Removable battery
Superior rear camera performance in certain scenes
Slightly better call quality
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http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
Thanks for the opinion/feedback.
Some people are power users and when you have two of the most powerful sports cars side by side àll of a sudden performance becomes one of the most important deciding factors and not just cargo space or gas mileage if that makes sense.
Knowing the Note 5 is the latest and greatest, I'm not expecting the performance to be night and day vs the already proven note 4.
However I would like to know if the hype really is worth the extra 3-400 more dollars considering everything Samsung left off the table (no SD, no ir, removable battery etc)
My question is, is the performance of the 7420 processor a big noticeable difference vs the 5433 on the Note 4 or is it a small noticeable difference?
Keep in mind this is touchwiz Not Apple
P.S most articles & reviews are comparing the Note 4 Snapdragon vs the Note 5 Exynos which really isn't that fair a comparison. (Including the one you linked above)
I'm looking for real world feedback on Exynos vs Exynos.
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CafeKampuchia said:
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
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Noticeable when, in the UI, running a benchmark, playing a game?
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Noticeable when, in the UI, running a benchmark, playing a game?
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Just overall how fluid is the OS and overall user experience?
I had a chance to test the Note 5 at Best Buy recently and really liked the experience.
Everything was instant iphone like.
Have to admit love or hate them, Apple builds a rock solid user experience on lesser hardware and Android as great as it is can take a page from Apple based on this aspect alone.
While using the Note 5, I didn't experience any lag which for Samsung has been a problem with the user experience for years.
Of course the 805 Snapdragon Note 4 sitting next to it had some lag going through the menus, web browsing, email usage videos on Touchwiz etc
Wasn't bad but noticeable from time to time.
Even after rebooting the phone.
Granted both units were stock and the Note 4 was over a year old BUT I've never had a chance to use the Exynos Note 4 which everyone seems to praise for its snappy performance.
So I say this to ask for those of you who have use both the N910C and now the Note 5, how close would you say the Exynos Note 4 user experience is compared to the Note 5 based on what I said above?
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My question is, is the performance of the 7420 processor a big noticeable difference vs the 5433 on the Note 4 or is it a small noticeable difference?
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The SoC alone doesn't determine performance. The Note 5 has uber-fast UFS storage and LPDDR4 RAM including an extra GB of the latter. That and the streamlining and minimization Samsung's done with the UI and their apps contribute to a huge and noticeable difference in performance. It's especially noticeable when working with big I/O sensitive apps like S Note and Gallery. Whether that's worth X$ more is up to you.
I'm looking for real world feedback on Exynos vs Exynos.
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Feedback on performance is subjective. This article compares the two Exynos chips. If you're looking at the SoC alone it's pretty clear the 7420 is a huge generational leap over 5430/3.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9330/exynos-7420-deep-dive
tiguy99 said:
Just overall how fluid is the OS and overall user experience?
I had a chance to test the Note 5 at Best Buy recently and really liked the experience.
Everything was instant iphone like.
Have to admit love or hate them, Apple builds a rock solid user experience on lesser hardware and Android as great as it is can take a page from Apple based on this aspect alone.
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There is more to user experience than fluid animations in the UI, and trends in the market have proven that out. Apple has done more apeing of Android in recent years than the other way around. For example, they told us that the 3G/4/4s were the perfect size for user experience. Android OEMs proved that optimizing a display for the eyes by making it larger was more important than optimizing it for the thumb. Apple made fun of Android, but since the iPhone 5 their displays have gotten larger. They also had the perfect screen resolution before increasing theirs to match Android starting with the iPhone 6.
In the UI, Apple used to mock widgets as confusing and unnecessary UI clutter before they added something sorta like widgets to iOS. They also had to catch up to Android's better implementation of notifications. And iOS is still famously non-customizable, which keeps lots of people away from it.
So obviously Android is doing a few things right when it comes to user experience, which is why I wrote:
CafeKampuchia said:
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
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I don't need Apple propagandists telling me what perfect user experience is so I'll think their designers and engineers have miraculously produced that for me.
If fluid animations in the UI is what defines good user experience for you, then you should consider the iPhone S6 Plus. I hear it's a great device.
This video is exactly what I'm talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoZkqT_CItc
In 2015, you don't hear those stories coming from the Apple camp and lets face it you still hear that coming from Android users with newer devices.
To me the Note 5 is the first Android phone I've used that's "lag free" in fluidity.
That may not mean much to you guys but I'd say that's damn good considering the amount of lag complaints re: touchwiz all over the internet.
Which leads me back to my original point...I don't need to "just buy an iphone if I want to avoid lag!"
In my opinion, I think that's an absurd comment considering the power these devices have and the fact I'm on an Android tech forum praising the Note 5 for its speedy performance!!!!
Being very familiar with both OSs & phones and a fan of good tech overall, I say its good to see both camps producing great products.
I'm just asking for those of you who've owned and used both Note 4 & 5 Exynos versions, how would you say the performance and user experience has been for you?
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I'm just asking for those of you who've owned and used both Note 4 & 5 Exynos versions, how would you say the performance and user experience has been for you?
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Well...I have owned both the Note 4 Exynos and Snapdragon versions, and atm I have the Note 5.
The N4 SD we can disregard completely as the Exynos version is much smoother and faster, and without the overheating issues of the SD.
The N4 Exynos with stock rom I found basically pretty smooth, but even so still some improvements were necessary.
With a custom rom and custom kernel (and a couple other build.prop tweaks) everything was rather very smooth and fast and I could use my N4 almost to full satisfaction.
I am specifically referring to scrolling behaviour and speed of opening apps. Also worth mentioning is RAM management (far too quickly closing of recent apps).
This has never been great on TW phones, and indeed this goes for both Note 4's and also the Note 5.
Now...the Note 5. Speed and smoothness are exceptional imo, even on stock rom and without a custom kernel. But...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
So, I rooted my Note 5 and applied some build.prop tweaks and now RAM management is great.
I can easily open more than 15 (!) apps and not have them closed automatically by TW. Scrolling is also a bit more smooth with the build.prop tweaks implemented.
Thirdly you can activate the 'Enforce GPU rendering' option within Developer Menu. It does help somewhat with smoother scrolling.
So...that's it. Hoping my info is helpful to you.
Thanks Daffie!
That's exactly what I was looking for
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Well...I have owned both the Note 4 Exynos and Snapdragon versions, and atm I have the Note 5.
The N4 SD we can disregard completely as the Exynos version is much smoother and faster, and without the overheating issues of the SD.
The N4 Exynos with stock rom I found basically pretty smooth, but even so still some improvements were necessary.
With a custom rom and custom kernel (and a couple other build.prop tweaks) everything was rather very smooth and fast and I could use my N4 almost to full satisfaction.
I am specifically referring to scrolling behaviour and speed of opening apps. Also worth mentioning is RAM management (far too quickly closing of recent apps).
This has never been great on TW phones, and indeed this goes for both Note 4's and also the Note 5.
Now...the Note 5. Speed and smoothness are exceptional imo, even on stock rom and without a custom kernel. But...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
So, I rooted my Note 5 and applied some build.prop tweaks and now RAM management is great.
I can easily open more than 15 (!) apps and not have them closed automatically by TW. Scrolling is also a bit more smooth with the build.prop tweaks implemented.
Thirdly you can activate the 'Enforce GPU rendering' option within Developer Menu. It does help somewhat with smoother scrolling.
So...that's it. Hoping my info is helpful to you.
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...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
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Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
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Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
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Hmm...that sure is weird indeed...but good news for you I based my point on my own experience, and also on user experience on Dutch Note 5 forum and XDA, as well as several news stories / reviews which also had the RAM management issue. Strange case apparently then of some Note 5's performing well and other don't
Oh and btw...I was referring very specifically to recent apps being CLOSED unnecessarily by TW. From your remark it isn't clear whether you have this issue or you don't. You only say 'there is no slowdown and no RAM issues'. I have no slowdown on my Note 5. Just making sure everybody's on the same page here
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tiguy99 said:
Thanks Daffie!
That's exactly what I was looking for
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You're very welcome :good:
ECdOc said:
Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
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They are "present" in recent apps visually but when you re-open them you'll find they reload. Samsung's explanation is that apps beyond a certain (unexplained) threshold are killed to maximize battery life. It doesn't really affect me the way I use my phone but it bothers the crap out of some people.
Here's a video
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Oh and btw...I was referring very specifically to recent apps being CLOSED unnecessarily by TW. From your remark it isn't clear whether you have this issue or you don't. You only say 'there is no slowdown and no RAM issues'. I have no slowdown on my Note 5. Just making sure everybody's on the same page here
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BarryH_GEG said:
They are "present" in recent apps visually but when you re-open them you'll find they reload. Samsung's explanation is that apps beyond a certain (unexplained) threshold are killed to maximize battery life. It doesn't really affect me the way I use my phone but it bothers the crap out of some people.
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Thanks for the clarification, I have never noticed an issue with apps reloading but probably because it really doesn't make a difference as quick as everything opens. I'll keep an eye on it though.
I also agree with both of you, with the speed of the Note 5 opening apps is no problem really...even when they are closed automatically too quickly. With my former Note 4 this really was an issue. Not so much with the Note 5 :good:
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It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
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This link is a good example of what we've been discussing for the past 2 days
I messed around with a Note 4 (SM-N910C/Exynos 5433) right after a Note5 at a Samsung store in Bangkok today. I noticed no lag, frame drops or hesitation in either device. Both were running 5.1.1.
Awesome!! BIG Thanks to everyone in this thread.
Your feedback and thoughts are exactly what I need to make my decision
CafeKampuchia said:
I messed around with a Note 4 (SM-N910C/Exynos 5433) right after a Note5 at a Samsung store in Bangkok today. I noticed no lag, frame drops or hesitation in either device. Both were running 5.1.1.
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Does anyone have any thoughts about the long term use of this processor.
Just to explain my query better, I usually keep my phone's for at least 3 year's. I currently have the Huawei P20 PRo which has been a brilliant phone and still runs flawlessly.
I would like to go back to pixel, the pixel 5, because of the software and the simplicity and beauty of the photos.
A concern I have is the processor. Will it be as good in 2 to 3 year's? Obviously you can't guess at future of software and programs which may need greater processing power.
I don't have a technical background so this question may be a bit basic and not easy to answer.
But I would just be interested in anyone's thoughts on this.
My two cents, we've gotten to a point where phone processors are great and software isn't getting massively more intense. Of course it will be "slower" than newer "top end" cpus, but one of the things to highlight from the review here on xda was the app opening time benchmark and compare between the S20 and the P5. Note how the P5 crushes the S20. You can also compare to the OP8T. Yes, the OP8T is faster. But are you really going to notice the difference between 20ms and 10ms to open Chrome? I won't...
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I think the longevity of a phone nowadays is based on the battery life.
And the pixel 5 with this tremendous battery life has this well covered.
Some people will even put maybe 1 cycle every two days. So this also means that after 3 years. The battery should have much more health
(My pixel 2 has 70-75% health and my pixel 4 93% health. Both had similar battery life when they were brand new)
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My two cents, we've gotten to a point where phone processors are great and software isn't getting massively more intense. Of course it will be "slower" than newer "top end" cpus, but one of the things to highlight from the review here on xda was the app opening time benchmark and compare between the S20 and the P5. Note how the P5 crushes the S20. You can also compare to the OP8T. Yes, the OP8T is faster. But are you really going to notice the difference between 20ms and 10ms to open Chrome? I won't...
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Thanks, it's not an easy question to answer I know and I suspect I wouldn't notice the difference either
thesebastian said:
I think the longevity of a phone nowadays is based on the battery life.
And the pixel 5 with this tremendous battery life has this well covered.
Some people will even put maybe 1 cycle every two days. So this also means that after 3 years. The battery should have much more health
(My pixel 2 has 70-75% health and my pixel 4 93% health. Both had similar battery life when they were brand new)
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Perhaps longevity was not quite the right word to use , as I was really looking at the processor life and performance over time rather than the battery. I don't know what the battery health is like on my P20 but it's still lasting more than a day after 3 year's so hopefully the 5 will be as good if not better
i think it is hard to say and it really depends on how google maintains the software and optimizes it especially for this phone. If google has success with their own soc the pixel might look comparatively week in 1-3 pixel generations. Comparing the pixel 5 to other phones is hard because pricing differs so much around the world, but if you can get something like the onplus 8T for the same price? It's a hard sell to be honest.
I am still using my oneplus 3 which is still absolutely fine for day to day use. So you should be able to use the pixel until it won't get any updates anymore. Which is what i would say is the real limit of longevity on modern phones. The only reason i still enjoy my oneplus is that the community support is amazing and i already have a choice of multiple android 11 roms.
The oneplus only shows it's age when it comes to gaming and image processing times. So overall i wouldn't rely too much on a synthetic benchmark like the ones posted here because i don't think a few milliseconds in app opening times is ever going to be a problem. App opening is just something that is easy to compare but i think it's a more or less useless benchmark. So overall the pixel 5 should easily last a few years, it is a fine phone.
But if you are into gaming or just processing heavy tasks i don't think the Pixel is a great choice because other phones for the same price* just pack a bigger punch.
*depending on where in the world you are
Floge999 said:
i think it is hard to say and it really depends on how google maintains the software and optimizes it especially for this phone. If google has success with their own soc the pixel might look comparatively week in 1-3 pixel generations. Comparing the pixel 5 to other phones is hard because pricing differs so much around the world, but if you can get something like the onplus 8T for the same price? It's a hard sell to be honest.
I am still using my oneplus 3 which is still absolutely fine for day to day use. So you should be able to use the pixel until it won't get any updates anymore. Which is what i would say is the real limit of longevity on modern phones. The only reason i still enjoy my oneplus is that the community support is amazing and i already have a choice of multiple android 11 roms.
The oneplus only shows it's age when it comes to gaming and image processing times. So overall i wouldn't rely too much on a synthetic benchmark like the ones posted here because i don't think a few milliseconds in app opening times is ever going to be a problem. App opening is just something that is easy to compare but i think it's a more or less useless benchmark. So overall the pixel 5 should easily last a few years, it is a fine phone.
But if you are into gaming or just processing heavy tasks i don't think the Pixel is a great choice because other phones for the same price* just pack a bigger punch.
*depending on where in the world you are
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Thanks for your reply, I don't do gaming or anything particularly heavy, watch videos and you tube, social media and emails, although I do have quite a few apps
Another example I have was my brother's Pixel 1.
The phone was as fast as day 1. The only issue he had was the battery life, after 4-5 years was destroyed.
He tried to replace it and he failed (broke the screen) otherwise he would be still enjoying Pixel 1 with a nice battery life and smooth performance
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nchesh said:
Does anyone have any thoughts about the long term use of this processor.
Just to explain my query better, I usually keep my phone's for at least 3 year's. I currently have the Huawei P20 PRo which has been a brilliant phone and still runs flawlessly.
I would like to go back to pixel, the pixel 5, because of the software and the simplicity and beauty of the photos.
A concern I have is the processor. Will it be as good in 2 to 3 year's? Obviously you can't guess at future of software and programs which may need greater processing power.
I don't have a technical background so this question may be a bit basic and not easy to answer.
But I would just be interested in anyone's thoughts on this.
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Plenty of people in the world still happily using phones with a SD 835 (and even older to be fair). My Nokia 8.1 uses the SD 710 and feels just as snappy as my Pixel 5 and that is 2 years old.
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Plenty of people in the world still happily using phones with a SD 835 (and even older to be fair). My Nokia 8.1 uses the SD 710 and feels just as snappy as my Pixel 5 and that is 2 years old.
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I'm sure it is, I've always been one for going for the best processor I could afford, my Nexus 6p was a brilliant phone as is my present Huawei p20 pro, so it would a change for me to go for a so called lesser chip but the phone seems so good in all aspects, looking forward to it.
thesebastian said:
Another example I have was my brother's Pixel 1.
The phone was as fast as day 1. The only issue he had was the battery life, after 4-5 years was destroyed.
He tried to replace it and he failed (broke the screen) otherwise he would be still enjoying Pixel 1 with a nice battery life and smooth performance
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My Nexus 6p was brilliant too
nchesh said:
I'm sure it is, I've always been one for going for the best processor I could afford, my Nexus 6p was a brilliant phone as is my present Huawei p20 pro, so it would a change for me to go for a so called lesser chip but the phone seems so good in all aspects, looking forward to it.
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It's not necessarily about the fastest chipset. Like computers it's more about the marriage of components. And I think Google have achieved this with the Pixel 5. I'm finding mine just as fast if not faster than my one year old Samsung S10e. The OS and SoC really work hand in hand on this phone.
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It's not necessarily about the fastest chipset. Like computers it's more about the marriage of components. And I think Google have achieved this with the Pixel 5. I'm finding mine just as fast if not faster than my one year old Samsung S10e. The OS and SoC really work hand in hand on this phone.
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Thanks, I've ordered mine today so will look forward to receiving it and seeing how well it does
Frankly I do not understand this fantasy with the fastest chipset. When we are buying pcs how many of us actually buy a core i9 processor with 32gb ram and the best dedicated graphics? I bet like me most will stick to an i3 or i5 and by stats those are the ones most people buy.
Same goes with phones. I believe in a few years people will realize this and simply go with the mid end processor line up which just like the core i5 is good enough for everything most of the people will need anyway.
1000 plus for a flagship mobile phone every two years is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. The user experience should factor in a lot more than just the specs!
no, the processor isn't going to slow down in a few years.
battery is the main killer with aged phones.
don't worry about the processor.