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Might give up Nexus S for G2x :(

Is it a good idea? I'm tempted to sell off my Nexus and get the G2x the 15th when it comes out.
Discuss?
(If this is the wrong section, my bad, I'll gladly ask a mod to move it or delete it)

I also have a mytouch4g. I am going to keep my Nexus S because it is too good of a phone to sell in my opinion but I'm definitely selling the mytouch and getting the g2x.
Nexus S

The g2x looks very good but just cause it has a duel core
Doesn't make it better then the nexus s the ns will always get the first updates
over any phone on android plus the 1ghz hummingbird is a beast ..... I do
Like the g2x tv out options but when comes to speed the nexus s is just so fast I don't see how
they can make it any faster if I was u I would keep the nexus

512mb ram =(

Both have 512 mb of ram, but honestly you don't need more.
I really hate people that think more ram = more speed.
You probably think that 100 gb of ram would make a beast phone.
Anyways: Buying he G2x is plain stupid, android is not optimized to take advantage of dualcores, and the gpu is also weaker than the SGX 540.
The phone itself is kind of hard to hold, when I tried it in the store, it was just bad.
The sound is worse, the screen is worse, it lags more, there are no developers on any of the Tegra 2 devices (almost), its just a bad move to do that.
Stick with faster updates and a better phone in speed, stability, screen, sound, and other stuff.
The G2x is a great phone, but all its problems or disadvantages outweigh the positives.
Please do your self a favor and stop wasting your time thinking about this.

dario3040 said:
Both have 512 mb of ram, but honestly you don't need more.
I really hate people that think more ram = more speed.
You probably think that 100 gb of ram would make a beast phone.
Anyways: Buying he G2x is plain stupid, android is not optimized to take advantage of dualcores, and the gpu is also weaker than the SGX 540.
The phone itself is kind of hard to hold, when I tried it in the store, it was just bad.
The sound is worse, the screen is worse, it lags more, there are no developers on any of the Tegra 2 devices (almost), its just a bad move to do that.
Stick with faster updates and a better phone in speed, stability, screen, sound, and other stuff.
The G2x is a great phone, but all its problems or disadvantages outweigh the positives.
Please do your self a favor and stop wasting your time thinking about this.
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A lot of people really like the lg Optimus 2x. I also think I'm gonna get the g2x anyways because I like new gadgets. Paulobrien is one of the major android developers in my opinion, and he is using the 2x. Not trying to argue with you, just my reasons for wanting to get it, although I am not going to sell my nexus. I'm sure teamdouche will have someone with the g2x too, I think I saw koush or kmobs tweet about how they are gonna get it, I forgot which one of them
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dario3040 said:
Both have 512 mb of ram, but honestly you don't need more.
I really hate people that think more ram = more speed.
You probably think that 100 gb of ram would make a beast phone.
Anyways: Buying he G2x is plain stupid, android is not optimized to take advantage of dualcores, and the gpu is also weaker than the SGX 540.
The phone itself is kind of hard to hold, when I tried it in the store, it was just bad.
The sound is worse, the screen is worse, it lags more, there are no developers on any of the Tegra 2 devices (almost), its just a bad move to do that.
Stick with faster updates and a better phone in speed, stability, screen, sound, and other stuff.
The G2x is a great phone, but all its problems or disadvantages outweigh the positives.
Please do your self a favor and stop wasting your time thinking about this.
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There are already many ROM options for the LG O2X. I don't see why the T-mobile G2X will not work with these.

Honestly I/O is right around the corner!!! I would wait to see what google has up its sleeves before I jump ship to the G2X. Its not all about hardware guys, the Nexus S is still one of the top of the line phones!!!

i'm jumping ship as soon as i get the Tmobile USA version
the SNS is not getting nearly as much attention from DEV & Coders as the N1 did

dario3040 said:
Buying he G2x is plain stupid, android is not optimized to take advantage of dualcore
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I'm sorry, but where are people getting this information from?
Everything on android uses threading or else the UI would be unusable. Threads are delegated to the available cores, more cores equals better performance.
You can have UI thread doing it's own thing and in the background have another thread calling sqlite, fetching a bitmap, crunching some numbers or whatever.
See that nice and smooth Flash video playing and your browser still being able to do other things ..threading.
You may not notice it on light applications, but anything that does heavier work will benefit from multiple cores.

why is this in the galaxy s II section.... lol

AllGamer said:
i'm jumping ship as soon as i get the Tmobile USA version
the SNS is not getting nearly as much attention from DEV & Coders as the N1 did
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Lets make that NO dev atention
JD

bbm21 said:
why is this in the galaxy s II section.... lol
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I don't know lmao, I posted it in the General Section of the Nexus S and it got moved?

dario3040 said:
Both have 512 mb of ram, but honestly you don't need more.
I really hate people that think more ram = more speed.
You probably think that 100 gb of ram would make a beast phone.
Anyways: Buying he G2x is plain stupid, android is not optimized to take advantage of dualcores, and the gpu is also weaker than the SGX 540.
The phone itself is kind of hard to hold, when I tried it in the store, it was just bad.
The sound is worse, the screen is worse, it lags more, there are no developers on any of the Tegra 2 devices (almost), its just a bad move to do that.
Stick with faster updates and a better phone in speed, stability, screen, sound, and other stuff.
The G2x is a great phone, but all its problems or disadvantages outweigh the positives.
Please do your self a favor and stop wasting your time thinking about this.
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Are you sure the Tegra 2 GPU is weaker than the SGX540? I lag on my Nexus S playing need for speed :/.
The screen is worse, I would miss the Super Amoled, maybe it's best to wait for the Galaxy S 2 and skip the G2X all together

The G2x does look nice but I've been spoiled to much with the super amoleddisplay on my vibrant so I'll stick with the SGS2.
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This thread wasn't even move to right section
anyways release date announced
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none contract $499
Im waiting for galaxy S2 hopefully the none tegra version has SGX543

demo23019 said:
This thread wasn't even move to right section
anyways release date announced
none contract $499
Im waiting for galaxy S2 hopefully the none tegra version has SGX543
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Nope, will have a Mali 400 quad core gpu
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JupiterDroid said:
Lets make that NO dev atention
JD
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Its quite sad too because it's a very very capable phone
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Serious_Beans said:
Is it a good idea? I'm tempted to sell off my Nexus and get the G2x the 15th when it comes out.
Discuss?
(If this is the wrong section, my bad, I'll gladly ask a mod to move it or delete it)
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To welcome yourself back to the random reboot days? Jk
Hopefully due to completely different software, hopefully the g2x has none of the 2z issues.

Yeah, it's a great phone, but the screen :/, after using SAMOLED I can't go back to LCD.

SM-G906S New benchmark emerges

Samsung 'G906S' appears in benchmark results with 1440p display, Snapdragon 805
The article can be read here.
http://m.androidcentral.com/samsung-g906s-phone-appears-benchmark-results-1440p-display
Looks like this could be a beastly variant of the s5. Thoughts?
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Could be very possible, or it could be faked.
what i am intrigued about is, has there ever been a different variant of a flagship device with differences such as camera and screen size?
Could it maybe be a different line of product like maybe galaxy round 2 or something? :S

There was a benchmark a couple months ago for SM-900S with a 5.2in QHD display, 3GB, Snapdragon 805, etc...so I'm not holding my breath over this latest "benchmark".

I think it' fake. The score is too low.
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S as in Android Silver edition? A reason why we haven't heard anything about the GPE S5? Just throwing that out there
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dragon135 said:
I think it' fake. The score is too low.
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Qualcomm only just started sampling the 805 chips, so it's only fair that benchmark scores are low. I think it's real, far too many indications were out there for months, and several SM-G900 leaks turned out to be accurate. The reason for no confirmation of the SM-G906 is because, in my view, Samsung is holding out for higher QHD yield and the SD805/A420 to support the high resolution. Hence no announcement just yet. Also, because the S5 was announced earlier than S-series before, there's a larger time gap between the year's top phone and phablet, where the premium series could fit just in, around May or June. It all makes sense.

BoneXDA said:
Qualcomm only just started sampling the 805 chips, so it's only fair that benchmark scores are low. I think it's real, far too many indications were out there for months, and several SM-G900 leaks turned out to be accurate. The reason for no confirmation of the SM-G906 is because, in my view, Samsung is holding out for higher QHD yield and the SD805/A420 to support the high resolution. Hence no announcement just yet. Also, because the S5 was announced earlier than S-series before, there's a larger time gap between the year's top phone and phablet, where the premium series could fit just in, around May or June. It all makes sense.
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Actually it doesn't. If QC is just sampling them now, you think their mass production will be ready by may or june?

degast said:
Actually it doesn't. If QC is just sampling them now, you think their mass production will be ready by may or june?
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I don't see why not, if Samsung, Nokia etc. got their hands on the 805 samples in March, that leaves them 4 months until a June launch to get drivers ready, plenty of time. Early QHD benchmarks ran on SD800 and only recently the SD805 popped up, indicating Sammy got the samples in the past couple of weeks, and they are already running the benchmarks so drivers are in a healthy state.

BoneXDA said:
I don't see why not, if Samsung, Nokia etc. got their hands on the 805 samples in March, that leaves them 4 months until a June launch to get drivers ready, plenty of time. Early QHD benchmarks ran on SD800 and only recently the SD805 popped up, indicating Sammy got the samples in the past couple of weeks, and they are already running the benchmarks so drivers are in a healthy state.
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At any rate, I don't see why they would just want to create a QHD screen, that brings literally no improvement over the current displays, it just brings disadvantages (more battery use, more CPU/GPU intensive,...). It would be better for them to improve other statistics of the phone.
E.g.: keep 1080p display and soon the 3Dmark benchmarks will run at 60fps with newer SoCs.
Look at it this way: the S5 with Sn-801 SoC will run just as performant as the S5(+?) with Sn-805, and that all because of a screen that draws 60% more power but looks the same.

degast said:
At any rate, I don't see why they would just want to create a QHD screen, that brings literally no improvement over the current displays, it just brings disadvantages (more battery use, more CPU/GPU intensive,...). It would be better for them to improve other statistics of the phone.
E.g.: keep 1080p display and soon the 3Dmark benchmarks will run at 60fps with newer SoCs.
Look at it this way: the S5 with Sn-801 SoC will run just as performant as the S5(+?) with Sn-805, and that all because of a screen that draws 60% more power but looks the same.
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While I'm not all that excited about a QHD screen on a ~5"ish screen, ppl. comparing the Oppo Find 7's QHD phablet screen to a Note 3' 1080p did say it's sharper and text is easier, smoother to read. Besides, contrary to logic, there is no correlation between screen resolution and battery drain, the Galaxy S4's, Note 3's and G2's larger-than-predecessor FHD screens are each more efficient than the S3's Note 3's and Optimus G's 720p. So there is no battery disadvantage.

BoneXDA said:
While I'm not all that excited about a QHD screen on a ~5"ish screen, ppl. comparing the Oppo Find 7's QHD phablet screen to a Note 3' 1080p did say it's sharper and text is easier, smoother to read. Besides, contrary to logic, there is no correlation between screen resolution and battery drain, the Galaxy S4's, Note 3's and G2's larger-than-predecessor FHD screens are each more efficient than the S3's Note 3's and Optimus G's 720p. So there is no battery disadvantage.
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There is a big (read huge) battery difference:
1080p screen: 2.073.600 pixels
QHD screen: 3.686.400 pixels
In other words 78% more pixels.
And you are saying that doesn't drain more battery?

degast said:
There is a big (read huge) battery difference:
1080p screen: 2.073.600 pixels
QHD screen: 3.686.400 pixels
In other words 78% more pixels.
And you are saying that doesn't drain more battery?
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I've already said that the larger / higher pixel count S4 / N3 / G2 screen is more efficient than the S3 / N2 / OptG, that's cause the screen area didn't change much (more pixels needing less light to bright it up), while energy saving improved faster than resolution. Which is why the S5 AMOLED is larger, brighter AND more efficient than the S4, which is larger, brighter, higher res AND more efficient than the S3's, which is larger, brighter, higher res AND more efficient than the S2.
So yeah, there is no direct correlation between resolution and battery drainage increase. Whatever effect it may have power saving technology is advancing faster. A QHD AMOLED should do just fine.

BoneXDA said:
I've already said that the larger / higher pixel count S4 / N3 / G2 screen is more efficient than the S3 / N2 / OptG, that's cause the screen area didn't change much (more pixels needing less light to bright it up), while energy saving improved faster than resolution. Which is why the S5 AMOLED is larger, brighter AND more efficient than the S4, which is larger, brighter, higher res AND more efficient than the S3's, which is larger, brighter, higher res AND more efficient than the S2.
So yeah, there is no direct correlation between resolution and battery drainage increase. Whatever effect it may have power saving technology is advancing faster. A QHD AMOLED should do just fine.
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Until battery tests show up, I'm not going to discuss it anymore, but you will find that it will require a lot more CPU/GPU power to deliver similar quality compared to current devices.

degast said:
Until battery tests show up, I'm not going to discuss it anymore, but you will find that it will require a lot more CPU/GPU power to deliver similar quality compared to current devices.
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No need to discuss, I've already told you how it's so. Each year Samsung increased screen size and pixel count (S5 not counting, but it's far better than the S4), and decreased power consumption. They know what they are doing mate, see video playback hours (least CPU intensive screen-on test).

BoneXDA said:
No need to discuss, I've already told you how it's so. Each year Samsung increased screen size and pixel count (S5 not counting, but it's far better than the S4), and decreased power consumption. They know what they are doing mate, see video playback hours (least CPU intensive screen-on test).
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Still, it's going to require more GPU ticks to give a similar performance than on lower pixel devices.

It's fake. No point in arguing/debating over a fake benchmark. Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

degast said:
Still, it's going to require more GPU ticks to give a similar performance than on lower pixel devices.
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Anywhere but heavy gaming it won't show, Adreno is efficient in 2D tasks. Gaming will be affected, but the S5 posted some of the best gaming battery results. Trust me on this, if it comes, and surely with 3000mAh at least, the phone will have similarly good endurance as the latest Sammies.
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There is most definitely a difference in battery life with a bigger screen. You are comparing apples to oranges by comparing last year's models battery life to this year's. What you should be thinking about is would the battery life be affected in the s4 if it was the same specs with an qhd v hd screen? Of course it would, both the processor and the gpu have work harder to power the extra pixels. What would be way cooler would be instead of wasting a years worth of efficiency gains on screen resolution, use those gains for improved performance and battery life. I think those specs are soon going to be the spec war targets.
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QUOTE=djdurban;51669376]There is most definitely a difference in battery life with a bigger screen. You are comparing apples to oranges by comparing last year's models battery life to this year's. What you should be thinking about is would the battery life be affected in the s4 if it was the same specs with an qhd v hd screen? Of course it would, both the processor and the gpu have work harder to power the extra pixels. What would be way cooler would be instead of wasting a years worth of efficiency gains on screen resolution, use those gains for improved performance and battery life. I think those specs are soon going to be the spec war targets.
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Seriously?dont even look at other phones just look at note 3 and yet the s5 outlasts it that means everything,

I don't think so... Maybe that spects will be realeased about Q3/Q4 2014, with the Note 4 (with bigger display of course), LG G3 or Nexus 6.
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Video Reviews

Video reviews, now organized by date.
03/09/2014 - Marques Brownlee - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Impressions!
03/09/2014 - Btekt - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 hands on - IFA 2014
26/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Unboxing
27/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 In Depth Part 1: Fingerprint
28/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Front Facing Wide-Angle 2K
29/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Adaptive Fast Charging
30/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Benchmarks - (Thanks @emix)
30/09/2014 - Android Authority - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Unboxing and First Impressions!
01/10/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 + 128GB micro SDXC SanDisk Test
02/10/2014 - Android Authority - Samsung Galaxy Note 4: S Pen
02/10/2014 - TacticalMissions - Galaxy Note 4 Ultra Slow Motion, 4K, 16 Megapixel Camera Test (Thanks @TacticalMission)
03/10/2014 - Android Authority - Multitasking
03/10/2014 - UNDERkg - All the Galaxy Note 4 side by side
04/10/2014 - GSMArena - Hands on
05/10/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - S-View Cover
05/10/2014 - Android Authority - Full Review
06/10/2014 - MsBlackoreanlady - One week after
07/10/2014 - ThePapiGfunk - Gaming On The NEW Samsung Galaxy Note 4! [HD]
07/10/2014 - Danny Winget - Nice review (thanks again Emix)
11/10/2014 - PhoneArena - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Review
11/10/2014 - DetroidBORG - Samsung Galaxy Note 4: Unboxing & Review
15/10/2014 - PocketNow - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Review: The Best of What's Big
17/10/2014 - Btekt - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 speed sketching!
17/10/2014 - MobileTechReview - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Review
17/10/2014 - Flossy Carter - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Unboxing
23/10/2014 - Galaxy Note 4 Unboxing and First Impressions!
24/10/2014 - Well, not exactly a review (nor english) but we can see the Dual SIM slots here

Wow! The fingerprint works pretty good. I was worried about it. That is the only feature i likes on Apple devices. But this is very good now.

JoganJani said:
Wow! The fingerprint works pretty good. I was worried about it. That is the only feature i likes on Apple devices. But this is very good now.
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Agreed, seems better than on Galaxy S5. But, well... would be even better if we could just rest the finger on it instead of scrolling (like on iPhone) but still pretty neat.

joelteixeira said:
Agreed, seems better than on Galaxy S5. But, well... would be even better if we could just rest the finger on it instead of scrolling (like on iPhone) but still pretty neat.
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I guess if samsung copied that idea apple would try to sue, so samsung were left to try something else.

RCJ89 said:
I guess if samsung copied that idea apple would try to sue, so samsung were left to try something else.
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It's possible RCJ89 but I don't know for sure if Apple could sue for this... Motorola Atrix had fingerprint sensors years ago and I think that the improvement on the way it "reads" it's a natural evolution. But anyway, they sue for everything.

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It's possible RCJ89 but I don't know for sure if Apple could sue for this... Motorola Atrix had fingerprint sensors years ago and I think that the improvement on the way it "reads" it's a natural evolution. But anyway, they sue for everything.
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Apple is sue master (seuing machine ; ). They can sue for anything. I saw they were sueing for mere scrolling effect. They sew for icon pattern, Search feature etc.
If apple's sell is down...or competition is hard, then apple fires from sue machin.
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ipsuvedi said:
Apple is sue master (seuing machine ; ). They can sue for anything. I saw they were sueing for mere scrolling effect. They sew for icon pattern, Search feature etc.
If apple's sell is down...or competition is hard, then apple fires from sue machin.
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True fact! They not even know the meaning of innovation anymore. :\

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Thanks Emix, updating the original post with this new video.

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Why does the Note 3 destroy the Note 4 in several of these benchmarks??

Low FPS on -screen is expected, but off-screen? There's something wrong

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Low FPS on -screen is expected, but off-screen? There's something wrong
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The benchmarks used are all pointless, except Antutu. If you want to test the GPU no benchmark beats 3D Mark (The physics test is also great for testing the CPU speed).

Toss3 said:
The benchmarks used are all pointless, except Antutu. If you want to test the GPU no benchmark beats 3D Mark (The physics test is also great for testing the CPU speed).
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Hope you're right! Gotta wait and see, but this lack of information even after S. Korea's release is killing me.

New video on first post guys. 128GB MicroSD Card :good:

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The benchmarks used are all pointless, except Antutu. If you want to test the GPU no benchmark beats 3D Mark (The physics test is also great for testing the CPU speed).
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DelBoy, who has an enynos version, posted the score of 16.239 on 3D Mark, which is less then the 17~18k from S5 (S801) and far behind the 19k from S5 "Prime" (S805).
What now? Maybe we should start considering that the 5433 isn't that great, at least for gaming.

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DelBoy, who has an enynos version, posted the score of 16.239 on 3D Mark, which is less then the 17~18k from S5 (S801) and far behind the 19k from S5 "Prime" (S805).
What now? Maybe we should start considering that the 5433 isn't that great, at least for gaming.
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I know, thought the Mali T760 would have been a lot faster (could still be due to unoptimised drivers (the results aren't consistent)), but still the CPU is what matters when it comes to a smooth performing phone.
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Some reviews of LG G3 were stating that SD801 (GPU) was not the optimal driver for running the whole system in QHD! I wonder now what will they will say with Note 4 Exynos GPU which is weaker than SD801 , it is at Note 3 SD800 level instead of SD805 level

SAVVAS. said:
Some reviews of LG G3 were stating that SD801 (GPU) was not the optimal driver for running the whole system in QHD! I wonder now what will they will say with Note 4 Exynos GPU which is weaker than SD801 , it is at Note 3 SD800 level instead of SD805 level
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I had a Tegra 3 device (LG 4X HD) and they had this same optimization bla bla which NEVER came. The phone was fast for the time (2012), but not so good for gaming.
I wouldn't say the GPU is weaker than S801, but it's starting to look like less powerful than S805 for sure.
Do you think after unlocking to 64-bit would increase the GPU performance or this is just a long shot?

I think Samsung intentionally kept the GPU down, probably they will go all out in Exynos 7420. Otherwise can't explain why the kept the memory bandwidth so low. 760 can have upto 16 cores, at 10 core count it should be on par with K1.

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Do you think after unlocking to 64-bit would increase the GPU performance or this is just a long shot?
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The performance may go up but that's for CPU I don't know or expect GPU improvement other than possible future update of GPU drivers.
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I think Samsung intentionally kept the GPU down, probably they will go all out in Exynos 7420. Otherwise can't explain why the kept the memory bandwidth so low. 760 can have upto 16 cores, at 10 core count it should be on par with K1.
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Hey man , that scores you have posted are nowhere near from what I have seen from 2 members here in XDA. And the scores that I found show that it is close to Adreno 330 levels. Samusung should have at least match it close to Adreni 420.

Going to use 1080p on this device for a few days

I'm going to downscale the device resolution to 1080p for a few days if the 2K screen really affects the battery that bad.. If you want to do this, download Resolution Changer from Google Play, and set the screen res to 1080x1920 480 dpi, apply and reboot (important to reboot, if not, the UI will be messed up)
Going to edit this in 3 days. Cheers!

Unless you only use up exactly 1920x1080 pixels on the screen battery life is not going to change much.
Right now that resolution just causes the screen to upscale so the only battery savings would be from the gpu working less driving a lower resolution. The screen which is the main batt hog will still be drawing power as per normal.

Unless you are 3D gaming at 2K then there will be little savings if any. 2D is pretty easy to render at 2K Resolution. And the GPU is probably optimized for 2K and NOT 1080p. So you might actually see a performance decrease running lower resolutions like the old days of Voodoo2 GPU on PC. I dont know... benchmark it and see.

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Unless you are 3D gaming at 2K then there will be little savings if any. 2D is pretty easy to render at 2K Resolution. And the GPU is probably optimized for 2K and NOT 1080p. So you might actually see a performance decrease running lower resolutions like the old days of Voodoo2 GPU on PC. I dont know... benchmark it and see.
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There is no such a optimization for a specific resolution.

Lodix said:
There is no such a optimization for a specific resolution.
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Good job you work for Samsung and are privvy to their device drivers etc and cleared that up for us.

Jonathan-H said:
Good job you work for Samsung and are privvy to their device drivers etc and cleared that up for us.
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Exactly that.
To the moderator's, just close this thread before it becomes a cesspool.

scoopdreams said:
Unless you only use up exactly 1920x1080 pixels on the screen battery life is not going to change much.
Right now that resolution just causes the screen to upscale so the only battery savings would be from the gpu working less driving a lower resolution. The screen which is the main batt hog will still be drawing power as per normal.
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unfortunately, this is the correct response. even though the human eye cannot spot the difference between 2K and 1080p if the screen isn't right on your eyes (there have been several articles about it on XDA portal..interesting reading), lowering the resolution on this device is useless as your phone will power the extra pixles(they are still there) but the GPU just won't process them.
2K was and will be a marking gimmik to sell more phones. just like 64 bit.
hopefully we'll see a 5.5' flagship this year with 1080p- same view as 2K on 5.5' screens and with 6+ SOT easily.

scoopdreams said:
Unless you only use up exactly 1920x1080 pixels on the screen battery life is not going to change much.
Right now that resolution just causes the screen to upscale so the only battery savings would be from the gpu working less driving a lower resolution. The screen which is the main batt hog will still be drawing power as per normal.
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That is correct, but there's one more thing:
the GPU won't work less. Whatever power is saved not having to draw the full size of the screen, will be spent upscalling the 1920x1080 image to 2560x1440. I bet that this upscalling can draw even more power from the battery than simply let it work on its native resolution.
So, if your intention is to save power, reducing the resolution is a bad idea, and it is totally useless.
The only reason to lower the resolution is if you have eyesight problems.

tal123 said:
unfortunately, this is the correct response. even though the human eye cannot spot the difference between 2K and 1080p if the screen isn't right on your eyes (there have been several articles about it on XDA portal..interesting reading), lowering the resolution on this device is useless as your phone will power the extra pixles(they are still there) but the GPU just won't process them.
2K was and will be a marking gimmik to sell more phones. just like 64 bit.
hopefully we'll see a 5.5' flagship this year with 1080p- same view as 2K on 5.5' screens and with 6+ SOT easily.
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With Snapdragon 810 forget about it xD
The LG G Flex 2 has a poor battery life taking in mind the Full HD+ 3000mAh + the supposed lower power Snapdragon 810.

Lodix said:
With Snapdragon 810 forget about it xD
The LG G Flex 2 has a poor battery life taking in mind the Full HD+ 3000mAh + the supposed lower power Snapdragon 810.
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''Thankfully, the battery isn't as persnickety as the rest of the phone: It typically managed about 13 hours on a single charge, all while I was futzing around in HipChat and Hangouts, firing off emails from CloudMagic and playing the occasional documentary in the background on YouTube. When it came time for our standard video-rundown test (all together now: looping a 720p video with screen brightness set to 50 percent), the new G Flex held out for ten hours and 13 minutes before needing a top-up. As it turns out, the charger's no slouch either; it takes the phone from 0 to 50 percent in about an hour, and it'll top off the battery completely in less than an hour after that.''
http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/18/lg-g-flex-2-review/
I'm reading mixed reviews about the LG F Flex 2. however all in all I don't think 10 SOT at 50% brightness is less than amazing (they didn't put a chart showing comparisons to other phones, but personally I don't get more then 5.5 SOT on the note 4 no matter what)

tal123 said:
''Thankfully, the battery isn't as persnickety as the rest of the phone: It typically managed about 13 hours on a single charge, all while I was futzing around in HipChat and Hangouts, firing off emails from CloudMagic and playing the occasional documentary in the background on YouTube. When it came time for our standard video-rundown test (all together now: looping a 720p video with screen brightness set to 50 percent), the new G Flex held out for ten hours and 13 minutes before needing a top-up. As it turns out, the charger's no slouch either; it takes the phone from 0 to 50 percent in about an hour, and it'll top off the battery completely in less than an hour after that.''
http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/18/lg-g-flex-2-review/
I'm reading mixed reviews about the LG F Flex 2. however all in all I don't think 10 SOT at 50% brightness is less than amazing (they didn't put a chart showing comparisons to other phones, but personally I don't get more then 5.5 SOT on the note 4 no matter what)
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Personal usages are subjective and I don't care about them.
It is not 10hours of SOT in normal usage, it was a test.
In GSMarena where they do pretty well battery Test comparisons, they show a mediocre scores from what you should have expected.

At The same standard-test, Engadget says that Note 4 get 13h.
But 50% brightness on Note 4 is two times higher (291nits) than on the GFlex 2 (152nits).
So results are pretty poor on the Gflex 2 considering the fact that both have the same max brightness.

tal123 said:
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2K was and will be a marking gimmik to sell more phones. just like 64 bit.
hopefully we'll see a 5.5' flagship this year with 1080p- same view as 2K on 5.5' screens and with 6+ SOT easily.
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Once you use phone with Gear VR you will know that even 2K is not enough.
Sent from my SM-N910T using XDA Free mobile app

And you also have to take in mind pentile matrix. A RGB panel with the same resolution looks more shaper.

galaxynote2 said:
I'm going to downscale the device resolution to 1080p for a few days if the 2K screen really affects the battery that bad.. If you want to do this, download Resolution Changer from Google Play, and set the screen res to 1080x1920 480 dpi, apply and reboot (important to reboot, if not, the UI will be messed up)
Going to edit this in 3 days. Cheers!
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Antutu results:
48715 with 2k resolution
52553 with 1080
Interesting.. but the samsung keyboard size is bad. How can i fix it¿?
Thanks

nacholo said:
Antutu results:
48715 with 2k resolution
52553 with 1080
Interesting.. but the samsung keyboard size is bad. How can i fix it¿?
Thanks
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I get 52526 at 2K:
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Amazing score! It,s possible to get more than 56k in your phone at 1080!!
Enviado desde mi SM-N910F mediante Tapatalk

My N910F scored lower in 1080p then it did in 2k.
The highest score is default resolution.

General The US & Canada has a new OnePlus 10 Pro that might make you regret buying the older one

Fyi
The US has a new OnePlus 10 Pro that might make you regret buying the older one
If you already bought a OnePlus 10 Pro in the US, we have some bad (or maybe good?) news: there is a better version coming.
www.androidauthority.com

It just 12GB/256GB is coming. Nothing different. In China has other top configuration is 16GB/512GB

galaxys said:
Fyi
The US has a new OnePlus 10 Pro that might make you regret buying the older one
If you already bought a OnePlus 10 Pro in the US, we have some bad (or maybe good?) news: there is a better version coming.
www.androidauthority.com
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If I had bought direct from OnePlus,yeah,I'd have a bit of buyer's remorse.
But,I got mine from T-Mobile w/a killer trade-in allowance.
The full MSRP of $899 the phone was covered w/my OnePlus8 that I bought direct from One Plus for $249, specifically to use for the trade-in,so no regrets here.

This company just can't help but piss off its customers, can it?

Besides storage I don't see a benefit from 8 to 12GB of RAM.
Tbh 12 consumes more battery
256 should be standard tbh, 512 for the higher price point

dladz said:
Besides storage I don't see a benefit from 8 to 12GB of RAM.
Tbh 12 consumes more battery
256 should be standard tbh, 512 for the higher price point
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The power consumption difference is not that great and more multitasking capability should always be welcomed. At a $70 premium, if given the choice when I'm in the market for a new device, 12/256 would be a no-brainer over 8/128. Obviously I wouldn't object to 12/512 either but I don't think that can happen for $70 and I wouldn't pay more than that.

EtherealRemnant said:
The power consumption difference is not that great and more multitasking capability should always be welcomed. At a $70 premium, if given the choice when I'm in the market for a new device, 12/256 would be a no-brainer over 8/128. Obviously I wouldn't object to 12/512 either but I don't think that can happen for $70 and I wouldn't pay more than that.
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Exactly. That extra 4gb of ram uses virtually no more battery and perks up the phone.
Under heavy app loading it's really great to have.

EtherealRemnant said:
The power consumption difference is not that great and more multitasking capability should always be welcomed. At a $70 premium, if given the choice when I'm in the market for a new device, 12/256 would be a no-brainer over 8/128. Obviously I wouldn't object to 12/512 either but I don't think that can happen for $70 and I wouldn't pay more than that.
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Hmmmm it does use more battery buddy, plus do you see a benefit from it? I've never maxed out 8GB on any phone lol.
Each to their own, but don't tell me there isn't an overhead for more RAM because there is.
I wish there wasn't but there is.
Either way, was just making a comment. I have my phone so I honestly couldn't care less, haven't you got a 9 pro anyway? You're on the 10 forums more than the 9

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Exactly. That extra 4gb of ram uses virtually no more battery and perks up the phone.
Under heavy app loading it's really great to have.
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What does it help? Just honestly one situation it benefits.
I've got my zRAM off, I use a lot of RAM because of it...I had the 12GB 8 pro before this and the difference in ability to multi task is negligible. I honestly don't think any apps utilise it.
If it was a game changer i would never have gone for 8.
We should do some tests, see how the 12 matches up to the 8. I think the difference will be minor at best.
Battery wise I'm still waiting to get knocked off my perch with 11+ hours SOT with nornal ish usage

dladz said:
Hmmmm it does use more battery buddy, plus do you see a benefit from it? I've never maxed out 8GB on any phone lol.
Each to their own, but don't tell me there isn't an overhead for more RAM because there is.
I wish there wasn't but there is.
Either way, was just making a comment. I have my phone so I honestly couldn't care less, haven't you got a 9 pro anyway? You're on the 10 forums more than the 9
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People who play lots of mobile games notice a difference. I have stuff get closed on me all the time when I am switching between apps even without lots of gaming. 12GB would have been my ideal but I didn't want to spend the money.
Power consumption doesn't necessarily increase all that much if the chip is binned better, which usually is what happens with higher capacity modules.
I have a 9 but I read the 9 Pro and 10 Pro forums too.

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What does it help? Just honestly one situation it benefits.
I've got my zRAM off, I use a lot of RAM because of it...I had the 12GB 8 pro before this and the difference in ability to multi task is negligible. I honestly don't think any apps utilise it.
If it was a game changer i would never have gone for 8.
We should do some tests, see how the 12 matches up to the 8. I think the difference will be minor at best.
Battery wise I'm still waiting to get knocked off my perch with 11+ hours SOT with nornal ish usage
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Watch to ancient N10+ completely grease the S22U in the last minutes of this vid.
Appalling the S22U even with a light load wasn't that much faster loading apps.
The S22U used had 8gb of ram vs the N10+'s 12gb. That likely played a large part in this. I wish they had used the 12gb variant as well in this test. Also unknown is the N10+'s OS version, presumably 11; how would one loaded with Android 9 and 10 done?
These are the things mainstream reviewers ignore as they whistle past the graveyard on their way to the bank.
In the Samsung lineage you don't see a huge performance drop until you go to the N9.
Extra ram is as it has always given an added measure of working capacity and future proofing.
Even the N10+'s older ram consumes little extra power, new ram is at least 20% more efficient.
Is it needed? No. Is it nice to have? Yes.
Invariably I will always go with a larger ram in any phone especially nowadays. I remember the dog days of 4gb of phone ram... it wasn't pretty.
N10+ running on Pie, normal ram loading:
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EtherealRemnant said:
People who play lots of mobile games notice a difference. I have stuff get closed on me all the time when I am switching between apps even without lots of gaming. 12GB would have been my ideal but I didn't want to spend the money.
Power consumption doesn't necessarily increase all that much if the chip is binned better, which usually is what happens with higher capacity modules.
I have a 9 but I read the 9 Pro and 10 Pro forums too.
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Not talking about binning mate, I do play games so I know when there's a drop, I'm not seeing one. And i push to the limits.
Not talking about the the CPU either but powering and using but not filling an extra 4GB of RAM 100% will use more power. It's just fact buddy, I'd like to live in LA LA land but I don't.
Either way, if you can use the 12 and that's your thing then brilliant but I've never seen a user case for it.
Storage yep I'm in board with that.. But the RAM for me is a negligible upgrade for numbers and get little gains be stamina drops.
Anyway, each to their own, not bashing just don't see it as a loss to have 8 instead of 12.

blackhawk said:
Watch to ancient N10+ completely grease the S22U in the last minutes of this vid.
Appalling the S22U even with a light load wasn't that much faster loading apps.
The S22U used had 8gb of ram vs the N10+'s 12gb. That likely played a large part in this. I wish they had used the 12gb variant as well in this test. Also unknown is the N10+'s OS version, presumably 11; how would one loaded with Android 9 and 10 done?
These are the things mainstream reviewers ignore as they whistle past the graveyard on their way to the bank.
In the Samsung lineage you don't see a huge performance drop until you go to the N9.
Extra ram is as it has always given an added measure of working capacity and future proofing.
Even the N10+'s older ram consumes little extra power, new ram is at least 20% more efficient.
Is it needed? No. Is it nice to have? Yes.
Invariably I will always go with a larger ram in any phone especially nowadays. I remember the dog days of 4gb of phone ram... it wasn't pretty.
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I understand Sammy's playing by the "rules" but let's see a 12GB OnePlus10 pro out pace an 8GB
I doubt it'll happen buddy.
More then happy to run any bench Vs any 12

dladz said:
I understand Sammy's playing by the "rules" but let's see a 12GB OnePlus10 pro out pace an 8GB
I doubt it'll happen buddy.
More then happy to run any bench Vs any 12
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Doesn't really matter as this is our lot.
I stopped doing benchmarks long ago, the heatpipe is well seated
What I really like to see is the same model benchmarked and compared for practical usage/speed running Android 9 through 12.

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Not talking about binning mate, I do play games so I know when there's a drop, I'm not seeing one. And i push to the limits.
Not talking about the the CPU either but powering and using but not filling an extra 4GB of RAM 100% will use more power. It's just fact buddy, I'd like to live in LA LA land but I don't.
Either way, if you can use the 12 and that's your thing then brilliant but I've never seen a user case for it.
Storage yep I'm in board with that.. But the RAM for me is a negligible upgrade for numbers and get little gains be stamina drops.
Anyway, each to their own, not bashing just don't see it as a loss to have 8 instead of 12.
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More RAM does not automatically equal more power consumption. Higher quality silicon requires less power for the same demand and it's actually not at all uncommon for the required voltage to go down with higher density memory because it needs higher quality silicon to maintain the same ability to process tasks without errors at the same frequency and it can also be more sensitive to higher voltages that lower quality silicon handles fine. It's not really something to worry about anyway as LPDDR5 isn't anywhere near as power hungry as the main components in the phone - the CPU and GPU cores as well as the modem. It's unlikely to make any power drain difference that would be noticeable to the end user but the performance gains realized by the phone being able to dynamically cache the apps a person uses (the RAM Boost setting in your phone uses predictive pre-loading like this) most definitely is.

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More RAM does not automatically equal more power consumption. Higher quality silicon requires less power for the same demand and it's actually not at all uncommon for the required voltage to go down with higher density memory because it needs higher quality silicon to maintain the same ability to process tasks without errors at the same frequency and it can also be more sensitive to higher voltages that lower quality silicon handles fine. It's not really something to worry about anyway as LPDDR5 isn't anywhere near as power hungry as the main components in the phone - the CPU and GPU cores as well as the modem. It's unlikely to make any power drain difference that would be noticeable to the end user but the performance gains realized by the phone being able to dynamically cache the apps a person uses (the RAM Boost setting in your phone uses predictive pre-loading like this) most definitely is.
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It's not a case of higher density its a case of more modules? They all require juice to run..
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Dude Google if you don't believe me.
As I've said even without power consumption, you don't benefit from more RAM anyway. Not from 8-12 maybe from 4-6 of 6-8 but not over 8

dladz said:
It's not a case of higher density its a case of more modules? They all require juice to run..
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Dude Google if you don't believe me.
As I've said even without power consumption, you don't benefit from more RAM anyway. Not from 8-12 maybe from 4-6 of 6-8 but not over 8
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Even if you are correct and it is a second module required (I am too lazy to go actually look up what LPDDR5 modules exist to prove which of us is correct), you're talking about a negligible power difference anyway. Like I said, LPDDR5 is designed to be low power (literally what the LP means), so it's not using much to begin with. What does it matter if you lose a few seconds of battery? It doesn't.
You're also saying you don't benefit without knowing one way or the other. You're painting with way too broad a brush here. I can make a virtual machine that needs 8GB of RAM right now and make use of 12GB today, that's not even taking into account the advancement of predictive algorithms using the memory to boost the speed of app launches or future changes to Android (Android's memory requirements increase practically with each new major release).

EtherealRemnant said:
Even if you are correct and it is a second module required (I am too lazy to go actually look up what LPDDR5 modules exist to prove which of us is correct), you're talking about a negligible power difference anyway. Like I said, LPDDR5 is designed to be low power (literally what the LP means), so it's not using much to begin with. What does it matter if you lose a few seconds of battery? It doesn't.
You're also saying you don't benefit without knowing one way or the other. You're painting with way too broad a brush here. I can make a virtual machine that needs 8GB of RAM right now and make use of 12GB today, that's not even taking into account the advancement of predictive algorithms using the memory to boost the speed of app launches or future changes to Android (Android's memory requirements increase practically with each new major release).
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How can you say I'm being too broad then mention a virtual machine?
It's a phone buddy, show me real world, get the phone and try to beat my SOT and I'll hold my hat up to you. Until then mate it's just hearsay (Depp)
Either way, it's fine man in not bothered I don't to fall out man, you've got a 9 I'm guessing you're happy, in happy with my 10 so let's leave it there yea
It's all good. I've read 12 takes more juice, my logic fun being a techie for decades supports that theory, and I've had better battery on every 8 over every 12, do the results for me at least have some for themselves.
But again, don't want to argue man.

Screw oneplus

I'm pretty ****ing pissed.
Literally bought this phone 11 days ago (6-1) from the OnePlus website. Arrived 6-9. Today is 6-11 (not even 1am EST)
Your Order #A112205313242270114(placed on 2022-05-31 01:11:57) (estimated dispatch date 2022-06-01 UTC)
Not even 48 ****ing hours and it has been outdated/replaced/demoted.
Really ****ing pissed.
Still have my 1+9, thinking about returning the 10 out of spite and then good-riddancing them for good.