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[Q] Amount of RAM?

I thought in read in the specs before buying this phone that it had 512 MB of RAM.
When I check in my task manager it says I only have 326 MB of RAM total..
Don't tell me we (Canadians) have less ram than everyone else??

it is not just the Canada version
all SGS phones have 512 of RAM but only 326 available for end users the rest are used by the phone services

Isn't it a 2.1 thing?
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The kernel supports up to 326MB RAM. Newer versions support full 512MB.
I guess when Froyo is out officially we will have full 512MB support.

Its sounds to me this phone was made for frayo and 2.1 is just each what they had to go with the Iphone 4 would have gotten alot of sgs customers If the galaxy didn't release when it did
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phandroid.com has a couple of shots of a Leaked Samsung Fascinate Equipment Guide . The second photo is quite interesting, it says
Onboard memory : 512MB Flash/384MB RAM
What does that mean ?? We have 384MB of RAM after all ??
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PhoenixFx said:
phandroid.com has a couple of shots of a Leaked Samsung Fascinate Equipment Guide . The second photo is quite interesting, it says
Onboard memory : 512MB Flash/384MB RAM
What does that mean ?? We have 384MB of RAM after all ??
That's another phone.. Doesn't mean much.
Our official news/press release said we have 512MB, so we have 512MB. Don't get too worried. Samsung may have decided simply to put the RAM to better use for now (to speed up other areas). Apparently, the epic uses a RAM disk to speed things up, so it's possible ours has a 160MB Ramdisk too
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Ok that's it, I'm selling my phone now.
Well, let's hope Froyo shows us the light.

andrewluecke said:
That's another phone.. Doesn't mean much.
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I am relatively new to android, but from what I have read on the internet Fascinate is simply another Galaxy S variant customized to Verizon, just like Captivate, Vibrant and Epic 4G, isnt it ?? Why would they mess around with the core components just for one carrier ?
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Our official news/press release said we have 512MB, so we have 512MB. Don't get too worried. Samsung may have decided simply to put the RAM to better use for now (to speed up other areas). Apparently, the epic uses a RAM disk to speed things up, so it's possible ours has a 160MB Ramdisk too
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I would like to believe that too , My only concern is Gingerbread compatibility. I know even if we have 512MB Gingerbread is not guaranteed. But 384MB means a definite no go , right ??

PhoenixFx said:
I am relatively new to android, but from what I have read on the internet Fascinate is simply another Galaxy S variant customized to Verizon, just like Captivate, Vibrant and Epic 4G, isnt it ?? Why would they mess around with the core components just for one carrier ?
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They added a flash for one... It might be to save money for the carrier. But, this variant uses EVDO which I believe is US only, and its possible they need more space on the circuit board too, for other features they add. Either way, our phone is advertised as 512MB.
PhoenixFx said:
, My only concern is Gingerbread compatibility. I know even if we have 512MB Gingerbread is not guaranteed. But 384MB means a definite no go , right ??
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Nobody knows. In the rumour world, there is a crapload of BS. Don't believe anything you hear unless Google says it directly (and publicly). Remember, Kevin Rose told us he SAW the iPhone before it was released, and it had multiple batteries. And that guy constantly says rumors (the only ones I see him ever get right are obvious ones or ones which have proof already if you know where to look). If rumors by idiots like him consume the the internet in hours, its easy for anyone else to do the same.
To the best of my knowledge, Google has never stated the RAM required.. That being said, the epic 4g apparently uses a 160GB RAMdisk to speed it up. It's possible our phone does the same (which explains the memory gap). But I have seen nobody prove or disprove whether we have 512MB of RAM which can be accessed by the OS. All I know is that Samsung have stated we do and haven't retracted it..

@andrewluecke: Come oon man must you QOUTE a big picture and the write some words as a comment?? WTF we are not stupid we now that you answered to the post abowe!!!

omaga said:
@andrewluecke: Come oon man must you QOUTE a big picture and the write some words as a comment?? WTF we are not stupid we now that you answered to the post abowe!!!
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Don't blame me, I didn't even notice.. These forums should be thumbnailing the pics anyway

The photo is in line with previous speculation that the galaxy s has 384mb ddr(?) ram and 128mb onedram(fast ram dedicated to graphics??) / onenand(not actually ram??? 0_0) .. its all a bit confusing.
EDIT: found the relevant topics
http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742244
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7642223
EDIT2: at first I was a little concerned, but after reading the other topics, I'm fairly reassured that the "ram issue" isn't really a bit issue at all, once compared to nexus one, desire etc.

SEMC seems to run a Sony Ericsson blog. And his post is mainly guesses, as with the others. Nobody has actually proven anything. However, the arguments against 512MB of ram are that 128MB is flash, and that Samsung don't know the difference between RAM and flash (which doesn't make too much sense, as they clearly differentiate between the two elsewhere).
Until proven otherwise, there is no reason to believe that we don't have 512MB of physical RAM.

oswade said:
EDIT2: at first I was a little concerned, but after reading the other topics, I'm fairly reassured that the "ram issue" isn't really a bit issue at all, once compared to nexus one, desire etc.
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I checked it as well, the Desire has 576 mb but it shows only 400 mb,
my old X10 has 384 but only shows 270 mb, it might be the kernel, but Ive read on a unreliable website that the rest was dedicated to the GPU just like a shared videocard on a Laptop...

Yeah, it's likely some is dedicated towards GPU and such, and it's likely to be OneDRAM. But, there doesn't seem to be any definitive proof..

iam sure its the kernel guys.. my old desire after flash mod kernel can get full 512mb and free memory up to 300mb using advanced task manager..

Galaxy S II quadrant benchmark

http://i55.tinypic.com/2qbagpg.jpg[/IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/dfafj4.jpg[/IMG]So I have been thourgly impressed by my thrill and I love it. However we just got the galaxy 2 in and I ran a quadrant score to compare and was devastated. The galaxy 2 destroyed my thrill and the infuse we tried against it. So I will be posting the three scores so everyone can see. I'm only posting this here in the thrill section since so many people have been debating between the two.
I live my thrill but may just have to jump ship after seeing this. They come out Sunday but most stores such as mine already have them
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If you care about benchmarks then the SGS2 will be the best device for you, spoken from a former SGS2 user.
However, if quadrant is all you care about, here is my Thrill running Thiaiz 1.3 w/ some build.prop tweaks and Supercharger V6.
NOTE: These tweaks make the phone actually feel faster.
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You will still be able to still score MUCH higher the SGS2 though because you can overclock the CPU and GPU, as well run these same tweaks.

Thrill didn't even make the list. LOL!

I don't see what is so impressive with that benchmark to be honest. My Thrill scores 2510 completely stock running Froyo.
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I just ran Quadrant again and scored 2720. This is a 100% stock phone. I only have root, no other tweaks yet. I may yet still return it, not sure yet. I like so many things about this device, just don't trust LG very much. Of course, I don't trust Samsung much either. I have been burned by them both in the past.

Realityfalse said:
http://i55.tinypic.com/2qbagpg.jpg[/IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/dfafj4.jpg[/IMG]So I have been thourgly impressed by my thrill and I love it. However we just got the galaxy 2 in and I ran a quadrant score to compare and was devastated. The galaxy 2 destroyed my thrill and the infuse we tried against it. So I will be posting the three scores so everyone can see. I'm only posting this here in the thrill section since so many people have been debating between the two.
I live my thrill but may just have to jump ship after seeing this. They come out Sunday but most stores such as mine already have them
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I actually topped that running the hacked together cm7 for the O3D on the Thrill. There's a screenshot in the cm7 thread in general. So don't get too discouraged...this Froyo LG gave us is just horrible. GB will be much more optimized for the Thrill than Froyo is.
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Racing666 said:
Thrill didn't even make the list. LOL!
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Its not that kind of list. It has a list of certain devices and some generic scores built into the app. It doesn't show any comparisons that the user actually runs.
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Get CM7 or some other custom ROMs on this thing running gingerbread (which is what it is being compared to with the SGS2) and the Thrill will be on top of the SGS2's score. I'm going to stick it out with the Thrill and see what's coming down the line. The only real thing the SGS2 has that is better than the Thrill, is the NFC (which doesn't even work yet supposedly). The Thrill having 3D is worth more than that for me.
When the next Nexus device comes out though, I will probably get it to rock along side my Thrill (unless by some miracle it has 3D in it, which I HIGHLY doubt).

I'm in the same boat. I just got the thrill but lack of gingerbread is killing me. My inspire on miui at only 1.2ghz beats it at most anything. In replacing the inspire I was looking for a phone that out of the box would equal maxxed out, balls to the wall speed on my inspire. I really feel like its being terribly handicapped by 2.2. My local att store claims that they are temporarily withholding the gs2 in my local market and sold me this phone instead.

Speed tweaks people, use them. The phone will be a LOT faster, trust me.

Killer Bee said:
Speed tweaks people, use them. The phone will be a LOT faster, trust me.
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Can you link the boosts your using to push your to that? My boss has the Galaxy S II now and after much debate and using the Galaxy for a bit i decided i like the Thrill better as an overall phone it simply has a better flow to it and does everything i need plus has the Wow factor with the 3D which, since i work at at&t in one of stores this proves more beneficial to me in the long run. I would love to have some form of boost to put my Thrill up there closer to the Galaxy.

Realityfalse said:
Can you link the boosts your using to push your to that?
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For stock:
Build.prop tweaks
Supercharger V6
If you want my specific set up, then you will need Root and CWM. Flash Thiaiz Rom and follow his instructions for "extra speed", replace the build.prop with this one, and then install Supercharger V6.
Realityfalse said:
My boss has the Galaxy S II now and after much debate and using the Galaxy for a bit i decided i like the Thrill better as an overall phone it simply has a better flow to it and does everything i need plus has the Wow factor with the 3D which, since i work at at&t in one of stores this proves more beneficial to me in the long run. I would love to have some form of boost to put my Thrill up there closer to the Galaxy.
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The SGS2 is and will be a much better phone (imo). The only thing the Thrill has over it is the 3D. The SGS2 has a better camera, audio chip, cpu/gpu, display, support, battery life, user-experience (a lot faster), etc. Unless you REALLY care about the 3D, I'd highly recommend the SGS2 over the Thrill.
As for you job, why can't you just get the AT&T SGS2 which has NFC?

Killer Bee said:
For stock:
Build.prop tweaks
Supercharger V6
As for you job, why can't you just get the AT&T SGS2 which has NFC?
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I prefer the Thrill because to the average user the ability of the galaxy II will go unnoticed and they will never "take it out of first gear" so to speak so the 3D feature of the Thrill weighs heavier to the clientele we service, atleast in my experience. If i show them a video of Avatar in 3D compared to a benchmark score of the Galaxy which do you think they are going to appreciate more?
And thanks for the tips im going to have to look into that rom you have and see how it will work for me. I have supercharger on mine now and the results have been minimal, though i am sure it is due to my lack of experience with Supercharger. I have the hard to kill launcher and the aggressive one settings. Any tips on how to tweak it?

Realityfalse said:
If i show them a video of Avatar in 3D compared to a benchmark score of the Galaxy which do you think they are going to appreciate more?
And thanks for the tips im going to have to look into that rom you have and see how it will work for me. I have supercharger on mine now and the results have been minimal, though i am sure it is due to my lack of experience with Supercharger. I have the hard to kill launcher and the aggressive one settings. Any tips on how to tweak it?
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Probably the SGS2 if you compared them side-by-side. The benchmark would make them think "this is one faster so its better" and when you compare the LCD on the Thrill to the SAMOLED+ on the SGS2 they will see MUCH better colors on the SGS2 and think that it is a higher quality phone, and the price also suggests this. Also, when your demoing the SGS2 you can compare it to any smartphone's browser in the store and I guarantee you the SGS2 will load it up first. You can say that's a combination of the phones fast 1.2GHz processor and AT&T's 4G network.
Personally, I think its easier to sell a SGS2 than a Thrill to someone either knowledgeable or ignorant. Anyways, I use option 7 (multi-tasking) for Supercharger.

If I'm running the thriller rom, would the supercharger do anything in terms of performance

Yes, Supercharger should make your phone faster no matter what Rom you're on (even stock).

So, what was the GS2 quadrant score? I just ran it and got 2678 and have had over 2700 before. Completely stock and unrooted.

Killer Bee said:
Probably the SGS2 if you compared them side-by-side. The benchmark would make them think "this is one faster so its better" and when you compare the LCD on the Thrill to the SAMOLED+ on the SGS2 they will see MUCH better colors on the SGS2 and think that it is a higher quality phone, and the price also suggests this. Also, when your demoing the SGS2 you can compare it to any smartphone's browser in the store and I guarantee you the SGS2 will load it up first. You can say that's a combination of the phones fast 1.2GHz processor and AT&T's 4G network.
Personally, I think its easier to sell a SGS2 than a Thrill to someone either knowledgeable or ignorant. Anyways, I use option 7 (multi-tasking) for Supercharger.
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I very highly doubt the "average" user would give a rats rear about benchmarks and would much prefer watching a video in 3D. As for everyone always placing the SGSII with "Higher Benchmarks" above the thrill. Let's think for a second, once the thrill has a new Kernel and GB which the SGSII has than they will most likely be on par on benchmark scores. Secondly the thing that threw me for a loop the most about the SGSII is the fact that you have to BUY an adapter for the dang phone to even use HDMI capability when almost all of the newer phones coming out have a dedicated HDMI port and are coming with the cables. As for the SuperAmoled + that is only going to take you so far considering the resolution is still the basic 480X800. Also in regards to what loads the browser faster go look at the video reviews between these two. The thrill actually did that faster in the video's ironically. So yea throw in the No HDMI unless you pay MORE money plus the 3D plus the fact that the Thrill is Very close to on par with the SGSII without GB yea do the math a little bit on which would be easier to sell at that point. Truthfully the SGSII is an easier sell to Geek's than your Average person and even than the 3D is very cool and this phone has a Lot of potential that it is not utilizing with Froyo.

malickie said:
I very highly doubt the "average" user would give a rats rear about benchmarks and would much prefer watching a video in 3D.
Secondly the thing that threw me for a loop the most about the SGSII is the fact that you have to BUY an adapter for the dang phone to even use HDMI capability when almost all of the newer phones coming out have a dedicated HDMI port and are coming with the cables.
As for the SuperAmoled + that is only going to take you so far considering the resolution is still the basic 480X800. Also in regards to what loads the browser faster go look at the video reviews between these two. The thrill actually did that faster in the video's ironically. So yea throw in the No HDMI unless you pay MORE money plus the 3D plus the fact that the Thrill is Very close to on par with the SGSII without GB yea do the math a little bit on which would be easier to sell at that point.
Truthfully the SGSII is an easier sell to Geek's than your Average person and even than the 3D is very cool and this phone has a Lot of potential that it is not utilizing with Froyo.
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I don't think they would care about benchmarks itself, but I do think they would interpret them as the SGS2 being faster, and its natural to want the fastest device.
Its not common for phones to come with cables that connect your phone to your TV. I was actually really surprised when AT&T included one with the Infuse and Thrill.
SAMOLED+ provides much better quality/colors and the 800x480 screen resolution is standard on Android (meaning all apps fit it the screen perfectly). As for the browser, no. The SGS2 is faster in any comparison I've seen and from my own experience with both. Its also hw accelerated so it will be smoother than any other Android device.
Lets say the Average Joe knows nothing about these two phones and so he looks at their spec sheet. 2.3 Vs. 2.2, 8MP Vs. 5MP, SAMOLED+ Vs. LCD, 1.2Ghz Vs. 1.0Ghz, 1GB RAM Vs. 512MB Ram, 16GB Vs 8GB, Thin Vs. Fat, Light Vs. Heavy. If he used the devices he would also find the experience on the SGS2 faster and smoother in everything and the screen would make the Thrill's look washed out. He looks at 3D content and either he likes it or it hurts his eyes. He then compares the pros/cons of both and the only thing the Thrill has over the SGS2 is the 3D and price.
The SGS2 sells itself.

My benchmark on thrill
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Killer Bee said:
I don't think they would care about benchmarks itself, but I do think they would interpret them as the SGS2 being faster, and its natural to want the fastest device.
Its not common for phones to come with cables that connect your phone to your TV. I was actually really surprised when AT&T included one with the Infuse and Thrill.
SAMOLED+ provides much better quality/colors and the 800x480 screen resolution is standard on Android (meaning all apps fit it the screen perfectly). As for the browser, no. The SGS2 is faster in any comparison I've seen and from my own experience with both. Its also hw accelerated so it will be smoother than any other Android device.
Lets say the Average Joe knows nothing about these two phones and so he looks at their spec sheet. 2.3 Vs. 2.2, 8MP Vs. 5MP, SAMOLED+ Vs. LCD, 1.2Ghz Vs. 1.0Ghz, 1GB RAM Vs. 512MB Ram, 16GB Vs 8GB, Thin Vs. Fat, Light Vs. Heavy. If he used the devices he would also find the experience on the SGS2 faster and smoother in everything and the screen would make the Thrill's look washed out. He looks at 3D content and either he likes it or it hurts his eyes. He then compares the pros/cons of both and the only thing the Thrill has over the SGS2 is the 3D and price.
The SGS2 sells itself.
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Yes but do you think the extra 100 dollars is worth that phone that will be outdated in half of a year? Nobody can judge the Thrill because they never advertised it, no commercials were released and everybody is amazed at the phone and they always ask what kind it is. It's a great phone, and it has and puts forward some amazing performances.

[Q] Is it worth upgrading my I9000?

Now I got all of your attention with a vague subject header
4 months ago, I bought a samsung galaxy i9000 because, prior to that I was on an E72, so anyway wow, world of difference, but on my I9000, I can play pretty much all the high end games, for now at least, i'm not a serious gamer, so to me, amazing graphics as it is..
At the time I bought the I9000 because I wanted to be plan free, but now my contract on the E72 ran out and now I can upgrade... should I buy a Galaxy S2?
Given that Dual Core ARM processor support for apps is fairly limited, I can't really imagine most tasks requiring more than 1gig of CPU power, I can watch divx, play games, GPS, it's pretty much all perfect, except with the odd couple of hangs the I9000 gets every now and then I love my galaxy so much lol...
So can anyone give me 3 realistic reasons to upgrade?, be as technical as you wish, I know the hardware it supports, I just need to validate my need to buy a new phone yes, games will load faster, but still.. they work just fine if you wait an extra 10 seconds for the game to load?..
Reasons for upgrading? please?
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1gb ram, you can run more stuff, active development, ics
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ok let's reword it a little, what could i /do/ that i can't do now albeit a little laggier and slower, that includes the ICS port for the i9000

I own a GTI-9000 myself, and my wife owns a GTI-9100. I have played around with her phone quite a bit and the nicest thing about it is the speed. Everything is snappier, loads faster, and seems to just perform better all around. Not to mention you get a bigger screen. 4" to 4.5" is a decent enough difference, especially for HD gaming.
Couple that if you get the Galaxy Nexus you get factory ICS. No need to root or do anything fancy to get it to work. Plus everything works 100% with full support.
Honestly if I could upgrade I would. I like my wife's phone more than mine. Basically if you really like your GTI-9000, there's no reason a better version of it wouldn't be of value to you. That's how I feel about it.

Aside from stock ics, camera and better cpu I don't think there's anything else worth noting (except you got a new look ) But for some games you just can't play it with I9000 like Asphalt 6: Adrenaline HD (I was crying when its price drop to 10c to celebrate 10 billion downloads on the android market T^T) There's more but I think if you browse the market with your phone you will not find it cuz it only show the ones you can play. As for stock ICS, I think Samsung ROM won't beat the CM team's ROM anyway :X

thanks for the replies...
you know what, I was curious about what you said about Asphalt 6 (still sounds like a rude word to me lol) anyway, I actually installed it and ran it, it's actually quite smooth on my I9000, but I usually idle around 100-129meg free using a combination of killing event application triggers (eg keeping keeping certain apps from launching on power save features on a rooted device), and advanced task manager..
Anyway, Asphalt 6 is actually smoothish occasionally, it drops a fps and you can see it jerk, but it only lasts for a split second... i also tried 'Fast 5' try that on the galaxy 2, on my I9000, i'd have to say the game is playable at a pinch, the framerate is simply not cutting it...
So, then, I have to upgrade my entire phone for 1 single game then lol

look, I'll give you guys an example...
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^^ my phone, Samsung Galaxy I9000 (16gb version, 4 months old, came with 2.3 now on 2.3.3, now my 3D graphics score is 1106.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4a-sphr07c
above is the new galaxy nexus, which has a dual core, it has a faster cpu, by rights, it should really own a phone as old as the i9000 fair to say..
but, if you break, it down you'll see that the nexus's GPU power only gives it's a slight boost, 3D 1226 on the galaxy nexus, and on a humble I9000 GS, we have 1106..
Now what gives the impression of a superior score, is of course, double/triple the memory and significant IO/read/writes.., when it comes to Asphalt 6 on the I9000 vs I91000, there's really not much difference on that game...
but when it comes to I9000 and the I91000 for say Fast 5 and next generation games which use the dual cores properly and efficiently, then we will see leaps and bounds between single cores and dual/quad..
But we're all playing the catch up game, and the catch up game really is the I91000 so most games and most programs will run perfectly on the i9000 i should suspect albiet it may take 2x as long to load up, 2x long to run, and only 80% as smooth as the I91000...
Or maybe I just have a freaky ARM processor and everyone elses I9000 is significantly slower GPU than the one i have... no idea.... i might go investigate that now... (after investigation, it's average i9000).... so there you go

You are operating under the assumption that benchmark scores actually mean anything significant.

The Galaxy S and Galaxy Nexus use the same GPU though.

S2 rocks
you should upgrade to s2 because :-
1. better camera with LED flash
2. bigger display with AMOLED+ display
3. 1GB ram to make it lagfree
4. high GPU for heavy games
5. DUAL core proc...1.2 which can be overclock to 1.5 if you want
6. vast list of custom rom to finish the word lag from your phone
i think they are enough for you...i still have many points!!
hit thanks if i was helpful to you.

update, we ordered the upgrade.. $29AUD a month with a $4 data plan (we already have 2 phones 2 plans, we don't need to make that many phone calls so the cheapest plan works out just fine for us, since calling each other 24/7 is free)
That works out to about $33 USD a month at the current exchange rate.. $0 upfront for the phone, but... the catch is it will be on a 12month plan, but since this phone will keep up with the competition concerning applications support dual core, I think this phone will be a worthy competitor for playing games on even 3 years off.. maybe near the bottom of the list of the benchmarks, but will be one hell of a player of the high range cheaper phones.... playing even the latest of games i'm sure...

i will buy me every version of galaxy s!
y? because im a fan of them
but for real there is no reason for me to change to s2...

I think I regret buying the Nexus 4

I had the HTC One S before, but wanted the Google Nexus experience (vanilla Android, latest updates (and on this phone compared to the One S quad core, 2GB RAM, etc..) and the price was too good to pass up. I mean, the value for money with this phone is amazing, I don't think I have ever seen, or will ever see better, but...
Coming from the One S, it seems like a huge step down. The phone seems a lot bigger in comparison (mainly width and especially depth), yet when taking into consideration the on screen back/home buttons, the screen is pretty much the same size, but a little wider (maybe 5mm)
Also, when doing a Quadrant test, the One S looks much smoother on the video parts, and the overall score is miles better (score of 6452 vs 4798) on everything
One S v Nexus 4
CPU: 9211 v 10402
RAM: 12383 v 7020
I/O: 7408 v 4149
2D: 1014 v 247
3D: 2245 v 2173
The One S also has HTC Sense which I like (but can live without)
Maybe I will get used to this phone, or just appreciate it more when the next update comes out, but in the mean time I don't really see a huge improvement in speed/responsiveness or the screen over the One S
I can imagine it being a huge improvement over plenty of other phones however, but I think the One S is unbelievably underrated and actually more powerful than I thought it was before. I feel like the Nexus 4 is a downgrade for me right now. I understand the Nexus is thicker because of the wireless charging plate? Well, this is something I would give up for a slimmer phone, especially considering the phone doesn't come with a wireless charging unit.
I don't wanna sound like I'm just bashing the phone, is there anything I should try out on the Nexus 4 that I would be missing on other phones (already tried Photosphere which is great btw)

There is already a nexus 4 vs any other phone thread present as a sticky in which this should have been posted. Didn't need a whole new thread dedicated to this
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Honestly, noone cares...

I think I regret reading your thread

ingenious247 said:
I think I regret reading your thread
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Awe man you beat me to it:good:

Eh, if anything, I'm sure you could probably trade back for a One S.
Both are great phones, but at least you can say you gave the Nexus 4 a try.

I don't get why people care so much about the quadrant score. Nexus 4 runs very smooth; no lag at all. Does it makes you feel special when u see a higher number? Most of the stuff OP mentioned could been avoided if he/she done a little research before purchasing N4. It all comes down each user likeness. Now days just Google any phone vs any phone and you will see a very great comparison of every spec.
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badboy47 said:
I don't get why people care so much about the quadrant score. Nexus 4 runs very smooth; no lag at all. Does it makes you feel special when u see a higher number? Most of the stuff OP mentioned could been avoided if he/she done a little research before purchasing N4. It all comes down each user likeness. Now days just Google any phone vs any phone and you will see a very great comparison of every spec.
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This. Quadrant is a random number generator at best.

naripsta said:
Eh, if anything, I'm sure you could probably trade back for a One S.
Both are great phones, but at least you can say you gave the Nexus 4 a try.
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I like the Nexus 4, but I really like the One S too
In fact one thing I just noticed (found in another Google search) is if you put them side by side on a table they're the same depth (of course the One S is slimmer in the middle)
Maybe I need to get used to the feel of it...
I'm gonna use the Nexus 4 for one full week instead of the One S and see how it goes
Anything you recommend me trying out on the N4?
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I don't get why people care so much about the quadrant score. Nexus 4 runs very smooth; no lag at all. Does it makes you feel special when u see a higher number? Most of the stuff OP mentioned could been avoided if he/she done a little research before purchasing N4. It all comes down each user likeness. Now days just Google any phone vs any phone and you will see a very great comparison of every spec.
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Nah I don't care about the Quadrant score, but the scores just really surprised me. I think the RAM comes down to LPDDR2 (low power DDR2 instead of DDR2) and I don't know about the I/O (thought it was all flash storage)
The GPU results surprised me though (the video looks smoother) as I thought the N4 had a dedicated GPU chip?
One of the problems I think is everybody compares phones to the One X, nobody has really done any great One S v Nexus 4 comparisons

The nexus 4 runs fast, is a great phone to use, has sufficient battery life for me, and cost half of the HTC phone you mentioned.
I really don't see the point in running benchmarks all day and not worrying about real usage and real cost. If you want to be a benchmark jockey you will always be running after the latest and greatest phone and lusting after every new phone ever 2 months.
The nexus 4 is a great phone and a solid purchase. If you regret buying it, sell it and get something else. But if your nexus 4 isn't defective in some way realize that the problem is with you and your inability to be happy with anything, and not with the phone that is a great performer and great value. I can already see that you're the kind of guy who will never be happy with anything, as you owned an HTC One S and then bought a phone that came out 6 months later. You won't be happy with anything as long as you see something shinier. You are the perfect customer.

Quadrant gets weird scores on Nexus 4, no one really 100% sure why.
Try Antutu, with a bionic optimised rom (most roms have this now) you get 21000+ scores; Antutu had to be updated when Nexus 4 (with 4.2.1) came out because of weird low scores, quadrant was never updated.
Also get your full screen by removing the nav bar and using something else like pie controls from LMT.
edit.. also '3dmark' test will show you the adreno320 in the nexus4 blowing everything else away.

You're incredibly stupid to base your phone choice over some benchmarks.

meangreenie said:
Quadrant gets weird scores on Nexus 4, no one really 100% sure why.
Try Antutu, with a bionic optimised rom (most roms have this now) you get 21000+ scores; Antutu had to be updated when Nexus 4 (with 4.2.1) came out because of weird low scores, quadrant was never updated.
Also get your full screen by removing the nav bar and using something else like pie controls from LMT.
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Yeah, I have seen some people posting Quadrant scores of like 7500+ on the Nexus 4
I'm still running stock everything (unrooted) - maybe I need to just root it and try some different ROMs, etc..
Pie Control looks sweet too, will check it out

bsaidmalta said:
You're incredibly stupid to base your phone choice over some benchmarks.
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leave it out

Quadrant doesnt like 4.2. Antutu and 3Dmark are better guages of performance.

LooieENG said:
Anything you recommend me trying out on the N4?
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Hmm, not sure really. The Nexus 4 is pretty much that, a Nexus device with pure Android. I can see why it may (not saying that it does for you) be boring or not as flashy. But there's not much to try out for the Nexus 4. Everything is pretty basic and minimalistic, and that's why some go for the Nexus I suppose.
With the N4, you get a decent device that can run with the best of them. If you're into flashing ROMs, pretty much almost every ROM posted here will work with very very minimal bugs, if any bugs at that. Although the One S isn't a bad device at all, so it's really up to you. :good:

My Nexus 4 absolutely fly's.. it speeds through everything.
It's all well and good having a number on a screen but I owned a HTC ONE briefly and many apps on that lagged yet run fine on my Nexus 4?

Oh great another one of these threads. IB4L
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Can you please give your phone to me? I will pay you 50 $ because its so not good and you can go back to your wonderfull htc one s... :banghead:
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LooieENG said:
Yeah, I have seen some people posting Quadrant scores of like 7500+ on the Nexus 4
I'm still running stock everything (unrooted) - maybe I need to just root it and try some different ROMs, etc..
Pie Control looks sweet too, will check it out
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yea, if you are running your device at 1.8ghz+ and have other things optimized(custom rom/custom kernel), itll score high. at stock speeds and the stock rom/kernel it will never get close.
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Galaxy S5 with QHD and Snapdragon 805 announced

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/18/korean-samsung-galaxy-s5-has-qhd-snapdragon-805
Only for Korean market.

Oh Dear.... soon to be an influx of Samsung haters, saying the usual things like Samsung can go to hell, Samsung betrayed us ect ect ect.
Me i will continue to enjoy my bog standard S5, until i decide next year what to replace it with.

Too bad it's a korean exclusive for now

I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...

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I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...
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Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?

Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.

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Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?
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So?? I don't get your logic.

paddylaz said:
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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There's been quite a bit of discussion in the M8 comparison thread about the impact of QHD on the LG G3. Cliff notes:
- Performance on S-801 took a pretty big hit
- Battery life took a hit
- Display contrast, black levels, and reflectivity all took hits
S-805 isn't a minor upgrade. It and Adreno 440 should allow QHD to perform as well and most likely better than S-801/1080P. So battery life and the quality of Samsung's QHD display are questions left to answer. The M8 thread also has discussion on the value of going from 1080P to QHD which is really pretty limited.

paddylaz said:
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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Performance isn't 'canceled out' since the 805 can handle Ultra HD (4K) screens. The following scteenshot is from Qualcomm's site which summarizes the specs of both the 801 and 805. Snapdragon 805 breakdown
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However, QHD content is currently limited to whatever bloat comes pre-installed from Samsung and wallpapers you can find online . As a result, people can't yet take full advantage of of that high res screen until app developers update their apps and there are very little YouTube videos above 1080p.

3GB RAM vs 2GB in the S5.
Great Samsung. Great.

That phone is a beast. But so is the regular galaxy S5. I don't think ppl should be upset really, its business. If you enjoy your phone then just enjoy it.
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There will be little or no QHD (2K) native content. Commercial content will be 1080p or UHD (4K). That means it'll be up and down scaled which impacts image quality. QHD is a marketing ploy of questionable value. Lots of reasons supporting this in the M8 comparison thread.

This is indeed a good read regarding Snapdragon 805's cpu and gpu power.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8035/qualcomm-snapdragon-805-performance-preview
From there I got couple important points:
The 805 can handle a QuadHD resolution device at the same frame rate and with same performance that an 801 can drive a 1080p device.
It is said to use 20% less power and provide 40% more performance compared to an 800 SoC
The 805 has small (comparatively) cpu boost and significant gpu and video engines boost.
The GPU tests were there. It nailed pretty much everything.
The 805 has HEVC HW decoder, but no HEVC HW Acceleration until the 810 SoC comes out in H1 2015.
I personally did not know what HEVC was. It is actually H.265 codec that provides magnificent video output at much lower bitrate than ax264/h.264 encoded video.
I curiously downloaded Big Buck Bunny 1080p encoded with HEVC that sized only 130 MB. The h.264/x264 encoded video was available at the Big Buck Bunny's official website to download which was roughly 700 MB. The 130 MB file indeed provided great output compared to its regular 700MB variant!

The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.

Apoxx said:
The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.
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Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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Yeah alot of times, many apps have to reload when multitasking, it´s clearly not as good at multitasking as the note3 for instance.

WizeGuyDezignz said:
Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-600<>1080p/S-800<>QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.

BarryH_GEG said:
So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-6001080p/S-800QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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Same here. And it's a Korea exclusive, I don't know why people are whining.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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That´s because the phone hibernates apps before it ever reaches full RAM usage. More RAM = more open apps which allows for faster multitasking. You´d think this was basic knowledge by now.
I´m sure you all have switched to an open app only to have it reload like it was first opened.
Coming from an iPhone with 1GB of ram I am overly aware of this issue.
And no I do not want the new S5, I just wish Samsung had put 3gb in the S5 in the first place, like they did in the note3.