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Samsung fascinate specs 384 mb ram?

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What does this mean for us? Possible that we only have 384 megs of ram?

and this is a dev issue how? it belongs in the Q&A section.

Since a lot of people here are trying to figure out how to free up ram up to the 512 limit ( or even close to it) it could belong here.

This has been discussed at length how much ram ourphones have. Posting a picture of a vzw ad does not helped dev's do anything with freeing up our ram.
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Hmm, just checked gsmarena and there is nothing on the ram of the fascinate, so this might just be true. O.O On gsmarena, it shows as all the other galaxy s phones with 512 mb of ram.
if it is, that kinda sucks, even though you get camera flash, i would gladly take the extra 130mb~ or so of ram :/

Can I just make a quick point here without stepping on anyone's feet?
When you buy a computer advertised to have 4gb of ram, do you actually get to use all 4gb of that ram? No. Your computer takes some of it and divides it up for other purposes. Some is strictly for the OS, some goes and get dedicated to your GPU, and the rest you get to use. The story is the same for our phones. There is a 512mb chip in there for ram. You will only get to use ~380mb of it.
Same for a hard drive. As I've said once before...
Miztaken1312 said:
Sure you buy a 1TB hard drive, but you actually only get to use around 850GB of it due to formatting and whatnot.
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It's all there, you just won't ever get to use it all for yourself.

miztaken1312 said:
Can I just make a quick point here without stepping on anyone's feet?
When you buy a computer advertised to have 4gb of ram, do you actually get to use all 4gb of that ram? No. Your computer takes some of it and divides it up for other purposes. Some is strictly for the OS, some goes and get dedicated to your GPU, and the rest you get to use. The story is the same for our phones. There is a 512mb chip in there for ram. You will only get to use ~380mb of it.
Same for a hard drive. As I've said once before...
It's all there, you just won't ever get to use it all for yourself.
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That is cuz how microsoft's file system, NTFS, which counts 1024 kb = 1 mb. That is why it is off. This has nothing to do with NTFS. This is most likely that the ram isnt there. If what you said is the case, that would mean all of the galaxy s phones would be advertised as 304 mb, cuz that is all the is usable at stock.
And your hard drive comparison, thats because for 1 TB to show up in windows, it would have to be 1024 GB instead of the normal 1000 GB just because NTFS has a different way of counting bytes.

miztaken1312 said:
Can I just make a quick point here without stepping on anyone's feet?
When you buy a computer advertised to have 4gb of ram, do you actually get to use all 4gb of that ram? No. Your computer takes some of it and divides it up for other purposes. Some is strictly for the OS, some goes and get dedicated to your GPU, and the rest you get to use. The story is the same for our phones. There is a 512mb chip in there for ram. You will only get to use ~380mb of it.
Same for a hard drive. As I've said once before...
It's all there, you just won't ever get to use it all for yourself.
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No, that is a really terrible analogy. You buy a 1TB hard drive. You get 1TB, counted in decimal. Just because you don't comprehend the difference between binary and decimal doesn't mean you're suddenly losing space. IT IS THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE.
Pretend I point to a can of paint and say it is navy blue. Some other guy comes along and says it is actually 000080 in RGB Hex value. You return your can of pain to the store and yell at the manager that you didn't get navy blue.
That's pretty much what you're saying about hard drives. You are not losing anything at all. Period. End of discussion. A computer simply interprets bits in a different numbering system than what we are used to (binary vs. decimal). There is no magic. There is no loss.
Likewise, your 4GB of RAM analogy is also incredibly flawed. When I buy 4GB of RAM, do I get 4GB? Yes, absolutely. There is exactly 4096KB of RAM there. I can have it sitting on my desk and there is 4GB there. I can install it in my machine and there is 4GB there. What it is used for is irrelevant. It is still 4GB that I paid for. I know that for a fact.
For our phones, we do not know for sure that there is exactly 512MB of RAM and, even if we did, we do not know if there is exactly 208MB of RAM being used for system processes or dedicated to the GPU. It could just be reserved for absolutely no purpose or it could not exist at all (after all, 208MB of RAM is an absurdly large amount of RAM to use for the system when we're still using EVEN MORE for android processes we can clearly see in any decent task manager). You don't know and neither do I.

It has nothing to do with the NTFS file system. It has to do with how the OS counts (megabyte vs mebibyte - base 10 vs base 2).
In regards to RAM, PC manufacturers do state if the GPU is using shared memory. Other than a non-discrete GPU, RAM in a computer isn't typically statically reserved.
The Galaxy S has never had 384~ MB available to the user. The most that can be squeezed out at present, and still have a fully functional phone, is 340~ MB.

So perhaps a developer has more to say about this... since they DEVELOP? It is awful lot of RAM to be used for unknown stuff

Eh, he still has a point. There's 512 there, just some of it is used for the system. I forgive Samsung for this since all android phones (heck, all OS's) suffer this phenomena.
I read somewhere that Samsung chose to statically allocate it rather than dynamically, just to really increase stability. So the cappy may be worse but still you always see this in some form
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Then why Galaxy Tab shows 444 of available RAM?

Because that's a tablet?
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The specs of the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab are the same, apart from the screen resolution.. Even the Quadrant scores are the same.

DirtySoul said:
The specs of the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab are the same, apart from the screen resolution.. Even the Quadrant scores are the same.
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You just said the RAM was different.
Anyways, that doesn't change my point that some RAM is always taken by the system OS. Android is a little unique in that each hardware distributor is allowed to tweak the OS so the level of system RAM reserved changes but its still there always
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fatttire said:
You just said the RAM was different.
Anyways, that doesn't change my point that some RAM is always taken by the system OS. Android is a little unique in that each hardware distributor is allowed to tweak the OS so the level of system RAM reserved changes but its still there always
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They said the amount of *AVAILABLE* RAM shows differently. Insinuating that when two pieces of hardware that are identical show different amounts of available RAM (available, not physically present) that there is something else going on that we the user aren't aware of.
Unknowns like this lead to people asking questions. People asking questions lead to answers. Answers lead to optimizations by brilliant XDA developers. Brilliant XDA developers making optimizations lead to terribly happy users like myself.
So it's in the interest of everyone posting in these forums to ask questions and try to come up with possible answers besides "No".
Yes, we know OSes use RAM and allocates it to various things. I think the issue as stated by others already is that we don't know how MUCH RAM is being used by the OS in our case.
If one device says we have 340 MB RAM available, and another almost identical device says 444 MB RAM available then that means it's POSSIBLE that our brilliant XDA developers could discover how to free up another 100 MB RAM to do fascinating things with.
It's NOT possible for them to discover that if people asking questions and helpful suggestions are shut down by negative people simply stating "NO".

https://github.com/cmsgs/android_device_samsung_galaxys/blob/master/config
you can go here and check out the reserved memory allocation. See line 766 and 1394 under "reserved memory config." the reserved mem adds up to approx. 140 mb. give or take a few. That would put us pretty close to 512. Some of that can be freed up as has been done on the i9000 forum. They have successfully freed up 40-50 mb to be used as free ram, although freeing up too much from certain locations can have negative results such as hindering 720p playback. See speedmod froyo in the i9000 forum for details. [KERNEL] SpeedMod Froyo 340MB RAM Optimized + Sharpness fix by Hardcore. I also think sztupy, developer of z4mod (I believe) had something to do with it.
Just a matter of time and hopefully we will have the same.

I know they're both advertised as having 512MB, but the Tab has more physical RAM than the phone. You can find a post somewhere in the forum talking about the memory chip configuration. The Tab has 128MB more than the phone. That's the primary reason the Tab has so much more available memory.

crazililazn said:
That is cuz how microsoft's file system, NTFS, which counts 1024 kb = 1 mb. That is why it is off. This has nothing to do with NTFS. This is most likely that the ram isnt there. If what you said is the case, that would mean all of the galaxy s phones would be advertised as 304 mb, cuz that is all the is usable at stock.
And your hard drive comparison, thats because for 1 TB to show up in windows, it would have to be 1024 GB instead of the normal 1000 GB just because NTFS has a different way of counting bytes.
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I just had to chime in - to satisfy the MS/HDD argument, an even better analogy: You purchase a Dell computer that is advertised to have a 500gb HDD. It arrives at your door only for you to find that (GASP!) the Windows install took 10gb, leaving you with only 490gb.
I believe that most if not all mobile handset manufacturers do this to some extemt. My Droid Incredible had 16gb of onboard storage advertised. They didn't mention that 4gb of that was reserved for the actual Android OS. It honestly never crossed my mind to feel swindled - it's just how it is.
That being said, I grow tired of this thread popping up as bumped when I check the Dev Forums for updates. While this discussion certainly has merit, it's nothing new to developers, nor does it have merit for them in particular.
Mods, can we get this thread locked or moved?

Z4mod is from Z4ziggy
tiger4j said:
https://github.com/cmsgs/android_device_samsung_galaxys/blob/master/config
you can go here and check out the reserved memory allocation. See line 766 and 1394 under "reserved memory config." the reserved mem adds up to approx. 140 mb. give or take a few. That would put us pretty close to 512. Some of that can be freed up as has been done on the i9000 forum. They have successfully freed up 40-50 mb to be used as free ram, although freeing up too much from certain locations can have negative results such as hindering 720p playback. See speedmod froyo in the i9000 forum for details. [KERNEL] SpeedMod Froyo 340MB RAM Optimized + Sharpness fix by Hardcore. I also think sztupy, developer of z4mod (I believe) had something to do with it.
Just a matter of time and hopefully we will have the same.
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[Q] PC upgrade planned... any suggestion?

Hey everyone,
I got my first laptop about 6 months back and in comparison to it my desktop just feels slow! My Desire HD even feels quicker! I have about £300 pounds to spend on an upgrade but I am not sure how to have the biggest effect on my system. At the moment I have...
Intel Core2 Duo 6600
Asus P5W-DH Deluxe
GeForce 9800 GTX+
2x 1GB OCZ PC-2 6400 Platinum
Western Digital Raptor 74GB (OS)
2x Samsung F1, 1Tb in Raid 1 (Main)
Enermax Liberty 500W
I use this machine for the normal office and web activities, as an FTP server to serve my media to laptop and phone, and occasional video encoding. I have two ideas about what to upgrade...
1) Swap my raptor for a SSD and chuck in a new Core 2, Quad Core CPU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...14&subcat=1427
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=6&subcat=567
2) Make the move to i5 (Mobo, CPU and Memory) and sacrifice getting a SSD
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=339&subcat=
I guess it all comes down to how good the SSD is? Anyways, I just wanted your opinions?
Thanks
Ed

32gb corsair/ocz ssd and 2-4gb extra ram , maybe a q6600 (they go for dirt cheap and oc nicely)
this should be about 200-220 pounds , any money spent higher than that this on an upgrade is unreasonable
also with ssd , as long as its a brand the newer the better , make sure ur not gettin some 1-2 yr old leftover from stock

My primary drive with my OS on is currently 74 GB. This is the perfect size for me as it's always got 60 - 70 GB of data on. If I get a SSD I would probably want it to be a similar size. 32 GB just seems too small. Maybe something like this...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-059-OC&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910
Also with the new Intel G3 and new Sandforce controllers coming out I figured current generation SSD's will drop a bit in price. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
It's interesting you suggested memory. For some stupid reason it didn't come to mind that I am just scraping Windows 7's minimum requirements. I guess its things like that which make me always ask on forums first! A fresh 4 GB ram would probably help a lot more than an upgraded CPU. I was looking at something like this...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-026-KS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=813
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-096-GL&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=813
Geil has better timings but I have heard good things about Kingston HyperX...
This CPU and memory comes in at under £200 well below my budget and will probs make the world of difference! All the feedback I can get is appreciated!

Former lead tech at Asus phone technical support says this:
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128441
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103894
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226103 (x2)
Sound Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102034
Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102915
SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227551

you dont need a sound card nowdays for the typical user ... and he isnt a gamer so i guess he doesnt need a better gfx , gtx+ is fairly decent , around a 4870 or 4890 , should be able to play crysis 2 on hardcore setting
also there decent enuff 775 cpu's to make the jump to am3 or intel i series unreasoned
and coming from a 3.5gb ddr1 400 config to a 2gb , later 6gb ddr3 1600 config i can tell the speed of the ram is hardly noticable , the trouble starts when it runs out

souljaboy said:
you dont need a sound card nowdays for the typical user ... and he isnt a gamer so i guess he doesnt need a better gfx , gtx+ is fairly decent , around a 4870 or 4890 , should be able to play crysis 2 on hardcore setting
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Very true! Also with the price of that recommended mobo, CPU and RAM in the UK I could get for a similar amount the core i5 option I found which is probably better...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=339&subcat=
Instead I like the sound of the cheaper option (SSD and RAM). That would probably fit my demands, and if not I can make another upgrade and carry across the SSD.
Has anyone got a convincing argument to not go for a SSD and 4Gb RAM?

keep the 2gb , and ull have 6 .

Can I do that? Would you put the new memory sticks in A1 and B1, and the old sticks in A2 and B2. That way the total in channel A would equal the total in channel B?

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new rams go in orange old in black and you should be gettin dual channel ... ull need a 64bit os tho

any of the new sandybridge cpu's are nice. I upgraded from an e6600 at the beginning of the year (new mobo and mem, kept hdd and everything else) and the upgrade was night/day.

slabyk said:
any of the new sandybridge cpu's are nice. I upgraded from an e6600 at the beginning of the year (new mobo and mem, kept hdd and everything else) and the upgrade was night/day.
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ive done the same from amd single core 1800mhz to quad core 3400mhz and on my day to day tasks(other than games) i find myself waiting for my slow hdd as i did with the old comp ... ssd would be the first thing i get ... but im always busy changing phones

Haven't really tried SSDs yet... I have way too much stuff to use an SDD effectively. I'd suggest that you go for upgrades that'll stay for a while, like going for a REALLY good processor, mobo and RAM combo and then start thinking about upgrading the other stuff.

souljaboy said:
ive done the same from amd single core 1800mhz to quad core 3400mhz and on my day to day tasks(other than games) i find myself waiting for my slow hdd as i did with the old comp ... ssd would be the first thing i get ... but im always busy changing phones
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I was worried the same thing would happen to me. Everyone I have spoken to who made the jump to a SSD has been amazed.
sakai4eva said:
Haven't really tried SSDs yet... I have way too much stuff to use an SDD effectively. I'd suggest that you go for upgrades that'll stay for a while, like going for a REALLY good processor, mobo and RAM combo and then start thinking about upgrading the other stuff.
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I have 2TB of media but my plan is to put OS on SSD and media on other drives. That setup should use SSD effectively. I agree completely with the rest of your post. I would love a nice new 'REALLY' good SandyBridge CPU, Mobo and RAM but that will blow my budget apart. By getting a good SSD it will stay for a while and be transferable from any system to any system too.
If I am unhappy with SSD choice I can always save again and make the move to SandyBridge at a later date.
I want so steer the whole conversation in a new direction now...
What SSD would people recommend?

Im struggling with my SSD choice. I know good solid options are the Intel X-25M and the OCZ Revodrive. I can get both of these in 80Gb options for about £170.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-004-IN&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-057-OC&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910
I know that for the same price I can get the new Intel SSD's in a 120GB variant but reviews suggest that the Intel X-25M and the OCZ Revodrive both beat the new Intel. As my aim is performance and as i dont need that extra space on my primary drive i have ruled it out.
The question is should I future proof my buy by stretching my budget to an OCZ Vertex 3.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-071-OC&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=1427
What do you all think?

Neither Get your budget to £220 then get an intel 510 120GB
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-009-IN
Just look at those speeds (450 read, 250 write) + You get a free game... Also I notice you linked to overclockers.co.uk too.... Do you have an account on their forums?

MacaronyMax said:
Neither Get your budget to £220 then get an intel 510 120GB
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-009-IN
Just look at those speeds (450 read, 250 write) + You get a free game... Also I notice you linked to overclockers.co.uk too.... Do you have an account on their forums?
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They weren't even up on the site when I looked! I thought they were going to be way more money than that but at that price i'm sold. Also made my mind up on RAM...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-190-CS&tool=3
Both of these should have my PC feeling like a different machine!
I only overclockers forums last week and I haven't posted there yet. Cant comment on whether they have a good community is that's what you were wondering
To get advice on this upgrade I only posted here and on PCstats. I still havent heard anything on PCstats. I thought XDA would be pretty poor as its for mobile devices but the responses have been pretty good.
Thanks everyone!!

get a modded os for perf ;-) like modded roms

edcoppen said:
They weren't even up on the site when I looked! I thought they were going to be way more money than that but at that price i'm sold. Also made my mind up on RAM...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-190-CS&tool=3
Both of these should have my PC feeling like a different machine!
I only overclockers forums last week and I haven't posted there yet. Cant comment on whether they have a good community is that's what you were wondering
To get advice on this upgrade I only posted here and on PCstats. I still havent heard anything on PCstats. I thought XDA would be pretty poor as its for mobile devices but the responses have been pretty good.
Thanks everyone!!
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Haha Aweome although... Is your motherboard DDR3 or 2 compatible? If it's DDR3 don't get that, it wontwotk haha, plus... Check amazon too... Last week I got 8GB DDR3 1333mhz for £65
haha naa... I signed up like last week too they're okay, helped me out on some stuff
Also xda is full of nerds and stuff so yeah... Your very likley r to get a response here

Might give up Nexus S for G2x :(

Is it a good idea? I'm tempted to sell off my Nexus and get the G2x the 15th when it comes out.
Discuss?
(If this is the wrong section, my bad, I'll gladly ask a mod to move it or delete it)

I also have a mytouch4g. I am going to keep my Nexus S because it is too good of a phone to sell in my opinion but I'm definitely selling the mytouch and getting the g2x.
Nexus S

The g2x looks very good but just cause it has a duel core
Doesn't make it better then the nexus s the ns will always get the first updates
over any phone on android plus the 1ghz hummingbird is a beast ..... I do
Like the g2x tv out options but when comes to speed the nexus s is just so fast I don't see how
they can make it any faster if I was u I would keep the nexus

512mb ram =(

Both have 512 mb of ram, but honestly you don't need more.
I really hate people that think more ram = more speed.
You probably think that 100 gb of ram would make a beast phone.
Anyways: Buying he G2x is plain stupid, android is not optimized to take advantage of dualcores, and the gpu is also weaker than the SGX 540.
The phone itself is kind of hard to hold, when I tried it in the store, it was just bad.
The sound is worse, the screen is worse, it lags more, there are no developers on any of the Tegra 2 devices (almost), its just a bad move to do that.
Stick with faster updates and a better phone in speed, stability, screen, sound, and other stuff.
The G2x is a great phone, but all its problems or disadvantages outweigh the positives.
Please do your self a favor and stop wasting your time thinking about this.

dario3040 said:
Both have 512 mb of ram, but honestly you don't need more.
I really hate people that think more ram = more speed.
You probably think that 100 gb of ram would make a beast phone.
Anyways: Buying he G2x is plain stupid, android is not optimized to take advantage of dualcores, and the gpu is also weaker than the SGX 540.
The phone itself is kind of hard to hold, when I tried it in the store, it was just bad.
The sound is worse, the screen is worse, it lags more, there are no developers on any of the Tegra 2 devices (almost), its just a bad move to do that.
Stick with faster updates and a better phone in speed, stability, screen, sound, and other stuff.
The G2x is a great phone, but all its problems or disadvantages outweigh the positives.
Please do your self a favor and stop wasting your time thinking about this.
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A lot of people really like the lg Optimus 2x. I also think I'm gonna get the g2x anyways because I like new gadgets. Paulobrien is one of the major android developers in my opinion, and he is using the 2x. Not trying to argue with you, just my reasons for wanting to get it, although I am not going to sell my nexus. I'm sure teamdouche will have someone with the g2x too, I think I saw koush or kmobs tweet about how they are gonna get it, I forgot which one of them
Nexus S

dario3040 said:
Both have 512 mb of ram, but honestly you don't need more.
I really hate people that think more ram = more speed.
You probably think that 100 gb of ram would make a beast phone.
Anyways: Buying he G2x is plain stupid, android is not optimized to take advantage of dualcores, and the gpu is also weaker than the SGX 540.
The phone itself is kind of hard to hold, when I tried it in the store, it was just bad.
The sound is worse, the screen is worse, it lags more, there are no developers on any of the Tegra 2 devices (almost), its just a bad move to do that.
Stick with faster updates and a better phone in speed, stability, screen, sound, and other stuff.
The G2x is a great phone, but all its problems or disadvantages outweigh the positives.
Please do your self a favor and stop wasting your time thinking about this.
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There are already many ROM options for the LG O2X. I don't see why the T-mobile G2X will not work with these.

Honestly I/O is right around the corner!!! I would wait to see what google has up its sleeves before I jump ship to the G2X. Its not all about hardware guys, the Nexus S is still one of the top of the line phones!!!

i'm jumping ship as soon as i get the Tmobile USA version
the SNS is not getting nearly as much attention from DEV & Coders as the N1 did

dario3040 said:
Buying he G2x is plain stupid, android is not optimized to take advantage of dualcore
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I'm sorry, but where are people getting this information from?
Everything on android uses threading or else the UI would be unusable. Threads are delegated to the available cores, more cores equals better performance.
You can have UI thread doing it's own thing and in the background have another thread calling sqlite, fetching a bitmap, crunching some numbers or whatever.
See that nice and smooth Flash video playing and your browser still being able to do other things ..threading.
You may not notice it on light applications, but anything that does heavier work will benefit from multiple cores.

why is this in the galaxy s II section.... lol

AllGamer said:
i'm jumping ship as soon as i get the Tmobile USA version
the SNS is not getting nearly as much attention from DEV & Coders as the N1 did
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Lets make that NO dev atention
JD

bbm21 said:
why is this in the galaxy s II section.... lol
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I don't know lmao, I posted it in the General Section of the Nexus S and it got moved?

dario3040 said:
Both have 512 mb of ram, but honestly you don't need more.
I really hate people that think more ram = more speed.
You probably think that 100 gb of ram would make a beast phone.
Anyways: Buying he G2x is plain stupid, android is not optimized to take advantage of dualcores, and the gpu is also weaker than the SGX 540.
The phone itself is kind of hard to hold, when I tried it in the store, it was just bad.
The sound is worse, the screen is worse, it lags more, there are no developers on any of the Tegra 2 devices (almost), its just a bad move to do that.
Stick with faster updates and a better phone in speed, stability, screen, sound, and other stuff.
The G2x is a great phone, but all its problems or disadvantages outweigh the positives.
Please do your self a favor and stop wasting your time thinking about this.
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Are you sure the Tegra 2 GPU is weaker than the SGX540? I lag on my Nexus S playing need for speed :/.
The screen is worse, I would miss the Super Amoled, maybe it's best to wait for the Galaxy S 2 and skip the G2X all together

The G2x does look nice but I've been spoiled to much with the super amoleddisplay on my vibrant so I'll stick with the SGS2.
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This thread wasn't even move to right section
anyways release date announced
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none contract $499
Im waiting for galaxy S2 hopefully the none tegra version has SGX543

demo23019 said:
This thread wasn't even move to right section
anyways release date announced
none contract $499
Im waiting for galaxy S2 hopefully the none tegra version has SGX543
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Nope, will have a Mali 400 quad core gpu
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JupiterDroid said:
Lets make that NO dev atention
JD
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Its quite sad too because it's a very very capable phone
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Serious_Beans said:
Is it a good idea? I'm tempted to sell off my Nexus and get the G2x the 15th when it comes out.
Discuss?
(If this is the wrong section, my bad, I'll gladly ask a mod to move it or delete it)
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To welcome yourself back to the random reboot days? Jk
Hopefully due to completely different software, hopefully the g2x has none of the 2z issues.

Yeah, it's a great phone, but the screen :/, after using SAMOLED I can't go back to LCD.

Multitasking - Not enough RAM

Hi all. I picked up an Optimus 2X for cheap during a sale, and overall I'm quite satisfied with it. However, one problem is the lack of RAM which ironically makes multi-tasking less smooth than on older single-core phones like the HTC Desire.
The Optimus 2X has 384MB RAM available to the system, where as most high-end phones have 512MB and some even 1GB. Even the old Nexus One had 512MB. After startup with Android 2.3, only about 150MB is available, which quickly decreases to ~100MB.
I know the whole Free RAM = Wasted RAM argument, but this has real-world implications with this phone.
For example, if you open the web browser and then use some other applications for a while and switch back, the page is not longer in memory but has to be reloaded. It's the same with other apps, they quickly get kicked out of RAM when you run other apps, forcing them to reload.
How does CM7 compare in terms of RAM usage? I'm guessing the LG bundled apps and background tasks use up quite a bit of RAM?

that remaining ram id because of the tegra gpu, 128mb is allocated I think.. about ram management, I'm using miui and downloaded sd data from a game then browsed the forums via browser then switched back to the download and its still intact, returned to the browser and all tabs still ok,
i think most stock based roms behave the same as yours
Sent from my Optimus 2X using Tapatalk

Advice regarding ram availaibilty and buying new device
Guys i need your advice since it is slightly related to current topic. So , here it is
i am going to buy a phone tomorrow
I was thinking of Optimus 2x.
I am coming from Nokia S60v5 and u can imagine the Ram problems there so i am very sensitive to the issue of less ram availaible.
1) how much free ram does O2x offer on a)stock 2.3 b) CM7 ?
2) I have the Option of Buying either O2x ,Oblack or Galaxy Sl(indian version of galaxy s) as price of all 3 are similar , which one would you choose, doesn't Oblack offer more free RAM than O2x ?
3) A little research tells me that nvidia havnt released their drivers, and god knows when LG will come out with ICS ,just wanted to know are there any chances/news or assurances of CM9 supporting O2x coz if chances are bleak wudn't i be better off with Oblack?

1.b) mine is up for about 40 hours and i did lots of mt, and i got 169mb free.
i dont see a problem with the ram size, its all super smooth here. and to my knowledge most people that know nothing about ram think more=faster which is not the case...
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grognaz said:
1.b) mine is up for about 40 hours and i did lots of mt, and i got 169mb free.
i dont see a problem with the ram size, its all super smooth here. and to my knowledge most people that know nothing about ram think more=faster which is not the case...
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I'm no expert but having used computers since the VIC 20, I don't think I know "nothing" about RAM. That machine had 3.5KB of RAM which was fine back then, but there's a reason modern devices have more RAM than that. More *is* better in many cases.
My HTC Desire starts of with about 260MB free out of 576MB total, where as the Optimus 2X starts with ~180MB free (reflecting the 128MB that gets allocated by the Tegra2 GPU). This means less RAM available for applications you launch and want to keep in RAM. It's *mostly* "super smooth" here too, but it's annoying when e.g. the web browser or Google Earth gets kicked out of RAM and have to reload, since this adds several seconds when switching tasks. Applications themselves are super responsive, it's only when task-switching between several large applications that this happens.
droweed said:
that remaining ram id because of the tegra gpu, 128mb is allocated I think.. about ram management, I'm using miui and downloaded sd data from a game then browsed the forums via browser then switched back to the download and its still intact, returned to the browser and all tabs still ok,
i think most stock based roms behave the same as yours
Sent from my Optimus 2X using Tapatalk
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I guess I'll try some third party ROMs and see how they behave. LG do bundle a lot of useless stuff with the stock ROM that you can't stop from starting automatically by default.
prabhjitsinghwalia said:
Guys i need your advice since it is slightly related to current topic. So , here it is
i am going to buy a phone tomorrow
I was thinking of Optimus 2x.
I am coming from Nokia S60v5 and u can imagine the Ram problems there so i am very sensitive to the issue of less ram availaible.
1) how much free ram does O2x offer on a)stock 2.3 b) CM7 ?
2) I have the Option of Buying either O2x ,Oblack or Galaxy Sl(indian version of galaxy s) as price of all 3 are similar , which one would you choose, doesn't Oblack offer more free RAM than O2x ?
3) A little research tells me that nvidia havnt released their drivers, and god knows when LG will come out with ICS ,just wanted to know are there any chances/news or assurances of CM9 supporting O2x coz if chances are bleak wudn't i be better off with Oblack?
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The Optimus 2X is not a bad phone at all. The display and build quality are very nice, the size is just right. Battery life is also quite good (for an Android phone, which still means you have to charge it every night). It's the only dual-core phone out of the ones on your list, which puts it in the same league as the Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Nexus in many ways.
I'm sure we'll get ICS eventually but it might be a longer wait than for something like the Nexus S. You'd better be prepared to root and switch to a different ROM however. Considering how long it took LG to release their version of Android 2.3 I wouldn't count on them releasing anything in 2012, if at all.
I have 187MB of RAM free after a clean boot with stock 2.3 (Version 20L), if I go directly to Programs and look at the amount of free RAM under the Running tab.

Also another thing that's bugging me off is
-O2x, i have heard reboots itself, now the very reason why i am buying a new phone is that my Nokia phone kept rebooting even when the battery was full, whether on stock OS or custom Firmware.That pissed me off.
-Does this issue still exists in newer Handsets after updating to 2.3 , becoz if it does wouldn't i be better off buying Lg Optimus black because i am stretching my budget just to accommodate the dual core of O2x and if after spending such a large amt it still reboots , i would be heartbroken
waiting for some helpful replies as i will be buying one of Oblack or O2x yesterday itself

I just installed CM7.1 and I'm happy to report that it now has 246MB of free RAM after a clean boot. Keep in mind that this is a completely clean install, where as my stock installation had a couple of widgets and notification apps going. But there's still a significant difference.
So part of the problem is that the LG launcher and customizations are not very optimized and waste a lot of RAM. Of course, the phone is still missing 128MB RAM when compared to other similar phones, but with a less bloated ROM, it's less of a problem. Let's hope the RAM requirements of ICS won't be too much higher.
Spontaneous reboots can be caused by many things. Android will reboot if an application hangs so completely that the phone ignores all input. It could also be a hardware problem such as overheating or low voltage. My O2X has never rebooted on its own so far. My HTC Desire started doing this when using the 3G radio a lot, likely due to overheating. That's why I switched to the O2X. Keep in mind that everything is pretty much "on the edge" with these devices that pack so much power into a small package. Avoid warming the device up in your jeans pocket (use an outer pocket of your jacket if possible) or using it heavily while its charging.

i didnt refer it to you when i was writing about the ram stuff... anyways, if you need more ram there is a kernel which can free i think up to 96mb from the gpu or so. so if you dont play games or recored hd then you might give it a try. kernel is called vorks stepchild or something like that and can be found in dev section. sorry cant copy links from xda app
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Just a quick mention for the Nexus S here, that has the exact same RAM configuration, and Google are putting out ICS for it, so it can't be a huge problem.

JimmiG said:
How does CM7 compare in terms of RAM usage? I'm guessing the LG bundled apps and background tasks use up quite a bit of RAM?
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It's crazy, stock rom Opera wouldn't even background after 2 seconds.. With CM7 I have RAM compression on 20% or something and Opera stays open for hours, it's great. There are kernels which have 32-128MB RAM hacks too that steal back from the GPU section. IronKrnl comes to mind.
There are some implications, 32MB loses reboot (which is nothing), 64MB+ gets dodgier.
grognaz said:
i dont see a problem with the ram size, its all super smooth here. and to my knowledge most people that know nothing about ram think more=faster which is not the case...
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You know nothing about RAM if you believe that statement then... Tell me, what about the operating system panicing to closs apps to free RAM, and falling on it's ass doing so is faster?

Use scripts like Supercharger, or Juwe ram script modified by Vadonka (search threads in dev section). Or System Tuner where you can easily modify freemem parameters.

try installing CM 7.2.0 plus ironkrnL ramhack here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1359307
I recommended the 64mb hack ver.
the newest built already stable enough for daily use.
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I'm using Juwe11's Ram Manager Pro in market (paid app). There is a free version also.

Brought my O2x !
Thanks for your advice guys, bought my O2x today , will be updating to stock 2.3 today.
a) any pre update advice ?
b) i dont intend to use stock rom for long, and as i am new to android and my previous nokia only taught me about making Custom Firmwares , So plz tell me which modded 2.3 should i use ? what is this i am reading about that the kernel is from someone else ? rom from some other Mod ? and also this baseband stuff ?

a) Try not to use it. The froyo ROMs are crap and will probably give you a poor opinion of the phone and/or AIDs
b) CyanogenMod, IMO

info about cm in general
i understand Cyanogen mod is an after market firmware,so
a) is it a custom rom or does it use the vendor's phone's rom ?
b) i understand we can also change kernel's , so does CM modifies the kernel ?

prabhjitsinghwalia said:
Thanks for your advice guys, bought my O2x today , will be updating to stock 2.3 today.
a) any pre update advice ?
b) i dont intend to use stock rom for long, and as i am new to android and my previous nokia only taught me about making Custom Firmwares , So plz tell me which modded 2.3 should i use ? what is this i am reading about that the kernel is from someone else ? rom from some other Mod ? and also this baseband stuff ?
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a. do not update to official 2.3. rooting it is pain in the ass. rooting froyo is easy. and official 2.3 is still sakk ess.
b. CM7 is your answer.
prabhjitsinghwalia said:
i understand Cyanogen mod is an after market firmware,so
a) is it a custom rom or does it use the vendor's phone's rom ?
b) i understand we can also change kernel's , so does CM modifies the kernel ?
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a. custom rom. you can google it.
b. cm use its own kernel. plus there are 3rd party kernel to optimize it further.

Questions
a) How will rooting help me?
b) i suppose i cant downgrade to 2.2 from 2.3 , right?
c) i can still use cm7 after updating to froyo right?

Yeah you'll be able to switch back and forth stock ROMs via Smartflash or KDZ, and you will be able to use CM no matter what version you have installed.

^now thats quiet helpful , just to be sure i am updating to 2.3 using lg's official crap whatever that is coz thats taking years to check/buffer whatever. or do u ppl use KDZ?

[Q] Question To The Developers About The RAM

When I look at the XSP device info, the ram size 766 mb even though the phone is 1 gb
compared with another 1 gb ram phone, in the device info it says 971 mb, so that results in about 200 mb free extra memory in the second phone
I searched a lot and couldn't find anything about this.
Is there a way to make the Xperia SP show 900+ mb?
before anyone says that its system reserved, how come the second phone has a much smaller reserved value?
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Second phone is Tengda T94 (chinese phone) the multitasking difference in the XSP cannot be compared to the T94, the T94 is so much better
its very frustrating to look around for a solution for a 1 gb ram phone! to get better multitasking!!! i feel like im looking for a solution for an entry android device. i love this phone i wish i can find a way to get better multitasking as its an important basic smartphone feature

I think its just bad ram management. My SP on CM10.2 works without problems
Shows about 841 mb (total)
Sony Software can't do this!
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cachanilla86 said:
I think its just bad ram management. My SP on CM10.2 works without problems
Shows about 841 mb (total)
Sony Software can't do this!
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Is there anyway I can do you think on the stock rom as I can't unlock my bootloader
everyone please guide us

tegr96 said:
Is there anyway I can do you think on the stock rom as I can't unlock my bootloader
everyone please guide us
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It is something to do with the kernel I think
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there is nothing u could do in stock ROM unless u greenify everything + remove every bloatwares
but theres nothing wrong with the running ram, just let it filled... android is different alot than PC, in android the RAM is used to be filled, its normal... i remember some XDA members said that "unused ram is a wasted ram"
MAYBE, sony intented to do that to limit the apps prosessing

im not a developer and i dont understand why the 2 phones i mentioned both 1 gb ram and 1 show quarter missing , can anyone at least explain to us why does such a thing exist, ive been looking everywhere online but i couldnt find an answer! is it really that hard to answer?
is there a solution to make the sp show 900+ mb in system info in antutu benchmark

tegr96;47670505 is it really that hard to answer?[/QUOTE said:
Yes it is
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well i found the answer, this 250 mb of ram that is hidden is reserved for the gpu as i read on some article.
and there could be a way to amend that a little bit through some kernel.
im now disappointed and thinking about replacing this phone as multitasking is very poor and its a basic feature of a smart phone.
its strange to see a chinese phone that is 110 usd faster with better multitasking and even the screen quality and gaming is better! why cant a top company like sony do something to give access to the 1 gb ram which is very needed for basic use

tegr96 said:
well i found the answer, this 250 mb of ram that is hidden is reserved for the gpu as i read on some article.
and there could be a way to amend that a little bit through some kernel.
im now disappointed and thinking about replacing this phone as multitasking is very poor and its a basic feature of a smart phone.
its strange to see a chinese phone that is 110 usd faster with better multitasking and even the screen quality and gaming is better! why cant a top company like sony do something to give access to the 1 gb ram which is very needed for basic use
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next time try to read everything you can and sort out all your questions BEFORE buying something, helped me before XD

tegr96 said:
im not a developer and i dont understand why the 2 phones i mentioned both 1 gb ram and 1 show quarter missing , can anyone at least explain to us why does such a thing exist, ive been looking everywhere online but i couldnt find an answer! is it really that hard to answer?
is there a solution to make the sp show 900+ mb in system info in antutu benchmark
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
don't think more Ram will get you faster, new chips it is ..( bigger Cpu Cache, bigger GPU, Dual channel memory )
sony need those 200mb for gpu, because it's a multimedia hd phone and gaming phone ( 320 gpu like xz :fingers-crossed: )...so you get hd movie recorder , hd games, even you can trow this to hd tv ...
i have this $200 chinnese quadcore with msm8225 , 203 gpu,1Gb ram ... and i believe xsp faster than this chinnese quadcore
and this phone don't have NFC, can't play full hd movie, lags on hd games, can't record full hd movie, no os update, and the list will go on ...
antutu about 13k on this chip, on quadcore mediatek chip about 16k, xsp about 21k ... you tell me who is the fastest ...
so, don't bother what is show on bench, user experience is...:laugh:

tegr96 said:
well i found the answer, this 250 mb of ram that is hidden is reserved for the gpu as i read on some article.
and there could be a way to amend that a little bit through some kernel.
im now disappointed and thinking about replacing this phone as multitasking is very poor and its a basic feature of a smart phone.
its strange to see a chinese phone that is 110 usd faster with better multitasking and even the screen quality and gaming is better! why cant a top company like sony do something to give access to the 1 gb ram which is very needed for basic use
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Please no more chinese phone jokes,
unless you found one with a Snapdragon 600/800 etc, the GPU performance is in those 110 USD chinese "Super phones" is very poor.
Not even comparable to the Adreno 225 let alone 320.
regards

Haha,my friend has a sgs4 and that has 2gb ram and 1.81 user accesible.At times his phone has 700-900 mb free...so dont complain

Phone is very good.And i honestly believe that another 100-150 MB of ram wouldnt make any difference...They would in my previous xperia X8 which had 27MB free ram all the time...But when you have 350+ free as i do now, being 500 wont change a thing.
With 250 EUR i got a phone with almost the performance of xpZ (yeah cause of 720 screen but its ok for me ) that wont slow down on everything you throw at it.So dont complain about the little missing RAM which as said is not wasted but is being used but for the GPU.:good: