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[Q] Amount of RAM?

I thought in read in the specs before buying this phone that it had 512 MB of RAM.
When I check in my task manager it says I only have 326 MB of RAM total..
Don't tell me we (Canadians) have less ram than everyone else??

it is not just the Canada version
all SGS phones have 512 of RAM but only 326 available for end users the rest are used by the phone services

Isn't it a 2.1 thing?
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The kernel supports up to 326MB RAM. Newer versions support full 512MB.
I guess when Froyo is out officially we will have full 512MB support.

Its sounds to me this phone was made for frayo and 2.1 is just each what they had to go with the Iphone 4 would have gotten alot of sgs customers If the galaxy didn't release when it did
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phandroid.com has a couple of shots of a Leaked Samsung Fascinate Equipment Guide . The second photo is quite interesting, it says
Onboard memory : 512MB Flash/384MB RAM
What does that mean ?? We have 384MB of RAM after all ??
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PhoenixFx said:
phandroid.com has a couple of shots of a Leaked Samsung Fascinate Equipment Guide . The second photo is quite interesting, it says
Onboard memory : 512MB Flash/384MB RAM
What does that mean ?? We have 384MB of RAM after all ??
That's another phone.. Doesn't mean much.
Our official news/press release said we have 512MB, so we have 512MB. Don't get too worried. Samsung may have decided simply to put the RAM to better use for now (to speed up other areas). Apparently, the epic uses a RAM disk to speed things up, so it's possible ours has a 160MB Ramdisk too
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Ok that's it, I'm selling my phone now.
Well, let's hope Froyo shows us the light.

andrewluecke said:
That's another phone.. Doesn't mean much.
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I am relatively new to android, but from what I have read on the internet Fascinate is simply another Galaxy S variant customized to Verizon, just like Captivate, Vibrant and Epic 4G, isnt it ?? Why would they mess around with the core components just for one carrier ?
andrewluecke said:
Our official news/press release said we have 512MB, so we have 512MB. Don't get too worried. Samsung may have decided simply to put the RAM to better use for now (to speed up other areas). Apparently, the epic uses a RAM disk to speed things up, so it's possible ours has a 160MB Ramdisk too
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I would like to believe that too , My only concern is Gingerbread compatibility. I know even if we have 512MB Gingerbread is not guaranteed. But 384MB means a definite no go , right ??

PhoenixFx said:
I am relatively new to android, but from what I have read on the internet Fascinate is simply another Galaxy S variant customized to Verizon, just like Captivate, Vibrant and Epic 4G, isnt it ?? Why would they mess around with the core components just for one carrier ?
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They added a flash for one... It might be to save money for the carrier. But, this variant uses EVDO which I believe is US only, and its possible they need more space on the circuit board too, for other features they add. Either way, our phone is advertised as 512MB.
PhoenixFx said:
, My only concern is Gingerbread compatibility. I know even if we have 512MB Gingerbread is not guaranteed. But 384MB means a definite no go , right ??
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Nobody knows. In the rumour world, there is a crapload of BS. Don't believe anything you hear unless Google says it directly (and publicly). Remember, Kevin Rose told us he SAW the iPhone before it was released, and it had multiple batteries. And that guy constantly says rumors (the only ones I see him ever get right are obvious ones or ones which have proof already if you know where to look). If rumors by idiots like him consume the the internet in hours, its easy for anyone else to do the same.
To the best of my knowledge, Google has never stated the RAM required.. That being said, the epic 4g apparently uses a 160GB RAMdisk to speed it up. It's possible our phone does the same (which explains the memory gap). But I have seen nobody prove or disprove whether we have 512MB of RAM which can be accessed by the OS. All I know is that Samsung have stated we do and haven't retracted it..

@andrewluecke: Come oon man must you QOUTE a big picture and the write some words as a comment?? WTF we are not stupid we now that you answered to the post abowe!!!

omaga said:
@andrewluecke: Come oon man must you QOUTE a big picture and the write some words as a comment?? WTF we are not stupid we now that you answered to the post abowe!!!
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Don't blame me, I didn't even notice.. These forums should be thumbnailing the pics anyway

The photo is in line with previous speculation that the galaxy s has 384mb ddr(?) ram and 128mb onedram(fast ram dedicated to graphics??) / onenand(not actually ram??? 0_0) .. its all a bit confusing.
EDIT: found the relevant topics
http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742244
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7642223
EDIT2: at first I was a little concerned, but after reading the other topics, I'm fairly reassured that the "ram issue" isn't really a bit issue at all, once compared to nexus one, desire etc.

SEMC seems to run a Sony Ericsson blog. And his post is mainly guesses, as with the others. Nobody has actually proven anything. However, the arguments against 512MB of ram are that 128MB is flash, and that Samsung don't know the difference between RAM and flash (which doesn't make too much sense, as they clearly differentiate between the two elsewhere).
Until proven otherwise, there is no reason to believe that we don't have 512MB of physical RAM.

oswade said:
EDIT2: at first I was a little concerned, but after reading the other topics, I'm fairly reassured that the "ram issue" isn't really a bit issue at all, once compared to nexus one, desire etc.
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I checked it as well, the Desire has 576 mb but it shows only 400 mb,
my old X10 has 384 but only shows 270 mb, it might be the kernel, but Ive read on a unreliable website that the rest was dedicated to the GPU just like a shared videocard on a Laptop...

Yeah, it's likely some is dedicated towards GPU and such, and it's likely to be OneDRAM. But, there doesn't seem to be any definitive proof..

iam sure its the kernel guys.. my old desire after flash mod kernel can get full 512mb and free memory up to 300mb using advanced task manager..

Samsung fascinate specs 384 mb ram?

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What does this mean for us? Possible that we only have 384 megs of ram?

and this is a dev issue how? it belongs in the Q&A section.

Since a lot of people here are trying to figure out how to free up ram up to the 512 limit ( or even close to it) it could belong here.

This has been discussed at length how much ram ourphones have. Posting a picture of a vzw ad does not helped dev's do anything with freeing up our ram.
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Hmm, just checked gsmarena and there is nothing on the ram of the fascinate, so this might just be true. O.O On gsmarena, it shows as all the other galaxy s phones with 512 mb of ram.
if it is, that kinda sucks, even though you get camera flash, i would gladly take the extra 130mb~ or so of ram :/

Can I just make a quick point here without stepping on anyone's feet?
When you buy a computer advertised to have 4gb of ram, do you actually get to use all 4gb of that ram? No. Your computer takes some of it and divides it up for other purposes. Some is strictly for the OS, some goes and get dedicated to your GPU, and the rest you get to use. The story is the same for our phones. There is a 512mb chip in there for ram. You will only get to use ~380mb of it.
Same for a hard drive. As I've said once before...
Miztaken1312 said:
Sure you buy a 1TB hard drive, but you actually only get to use around 850GB of it due to formatting and whatnot.
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It's all there, you just won't ever get to use it all for yourself.

miztaken1312 said:
Can I just make a quick point here without stepping on anyone's feet?
When you buy a computer advertised to have 4gb of ram, do you actually get to use all 4gb of that ram? No. Your computer takes some of it and divides it up for other purposes. Some is strictly for the OS, some goes and get dedicated to your GPU, and the rest you get to use. The story is the same for our phones. There is a 512mb chip in there for ram. You will only get to use ~380mb of it.
Same for a hard drive. As I've said once before...
It's all there, you just won't ever get to use it all for yourself.
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That is cuz how microsoft's file system, NTFS, which counts 1024 kb = 1 mb. That is why it is off. This has nothing to do with NTFS. This is most likely that the ram isnt there. If what you said is the case, that would mean all of the galaxy s phones would be advertised as 304 mb, cuz that is all the is usable at stock.
And your hard drive comparison, thats because for 1 TB to show up in windows, it would have to be 1024 GB instead of the normal 1000 GB just because NTFS has a different way of counting bytes.

miztaken1312 said:
Can I just make a quick point here without stepping on anyone's feet?
When you buy a computer advertised to have 4gb of ram, do you actually get to use all 4gb of that ram? No. Your computer takes some of it and divides it up for other purposes. Some is strictly for the OS, some goes and get dedicated to your GPU, and the rest you get to use. The story is the same for our phones. There is a 512mb chip in there for ram. You will only get to use ~380mb of it.
Same for a hard drive. As I've said once before...
It's all there, you just won't ever get to use it all for yourself.
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No, that is a really terrible analogy. You buy a 1TB hard drive. You get 1TB, counted in decimal. Just because you don't comprehend the difference between binary and decimal doesn't mean you're suddenly losing space. IT IS THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE.
Pretend I point to a can of paint and say it is navy blue. Some other guy comes along and says it is actually 000080 in RGB Hex value. You return your can of pain to the store and yell at the manager that you didn't get navy blue.
That's pretty much what you're saying about hard drives. You are not losing anything at all. Period. End of discussion. A computer simply interprets bits in a different numbering system than what we are used to (binary vs. decimal). There is no magic. There is no loss.
Likewise, your 4GB of RAM analogy is also incredibly flawed. When I buy 4GB of RAM, do I get 4GB? Yes, absolutely. There is exactly 4096KB of RAM there. I can have it sitting on my desk and there is 4GB there. I can install it in my machine and there is 4GB there. What it is used for is irrelevant. It is still 4GB that I paid for. I know that for a fact.
For our phones, we do not know for sure that there is exactly 512MB of RAM and, even if we did, we do not know if there is exactly 208MB of RAM being used for system processes or dedicated to the GPU. It could just be reserved for absolutely no purpose or it could not exist at all (after all, 208MB of RAM is an absurdly large amount of RAM to use for the system when we're still using EVEN MORE for android processes we can clearly see in any decent task manager). You don't know and neither do I.

It has nothing to do with the NTFS file system. It has to do with how the OS counts (megabyte vs mebibyte - base 10 vs base 2).
In regards to RAM, PC manufacturers do state if the GPU is using shared memory. Other than a non-discrete GPU, RAM in a computer isn't typically statically reserved.
The Galaxy S has never had 384~ MB available to the user. The most that can be squeezed out at present, and still have a fully functional phone, is 340~ MB.

So perhaps a developer has more to say about this... since they DEVELOP? It is awful lot of RAM to be used for unknown stuff

Eh, he still has a point. There's 512 there, just some of it is used for the system. I forgive Samsung for this since all android phones (heck, all OS's) suffer this phenomena.
I read somewhere that Samsung chose to statically allocate it rather than dynamically, just to really increase stability. So the cappy may be worse but still you always see this in some form
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Then why Galaxy Tab shows 444 of available RAM?

Because that's a tablet?
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The specs of the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab are the same, apart from the screen resolution.. Even the Quadrant scores are the same.

DirtySoul said:
The specs of the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab are the same, apart from the screen resolution.. Even the Quadrant scores are the same.
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You just said the RAM was different.
Anyways, that doesn't change my point that some RAM is always taken by the system OS. Android is a little unique in that each hardware distributor is allowed to tweak the OS so the level of system RAM reserved changes but its still there always
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fatttire said:
You just said the RAM was different.
Anyways, that doesn't change my point that some RAM is always taken by the system OS. Android is a little unique in that each hardware distributor is allowed to tweak the OS so the level of system RAM reserved changes but its still there always
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They said the amount of *AVAILABLE* RAM shows differently. Insinuating that when two pieces of hardware that are identical show different amounts of available RAM (available, not physically present) that there is something else going on that we the user aren't aware of.
Unknowns like this lead to people asking questions. People asking questions lead to answers. Answers lead to optimizations by brilliant XDA developers. Brilliant XDA developers making optimizations lead to terribly happy users like myself.
So it's in the interest of everyone posting in these forums to ask questions and try to come up with possible answers besides "No".
Yes, we know OSes use RAM and allocates it to various things. I think the issue as stated by others already is that we don't know how MUCH RAM is being used by the OS in our case.
If one device says we have 340 MB RAM available, and another almost identical device says 444 MB RAM available then that means it's POSSIBLE that our brilliant XDA developers could discover how to free up another 100 MB RAM to do fascinating things with.
It's NOT possible for them to discover that if people asking questions and helpful suggestions are shut down by negative people simply stating "NO".

https://github.com/cmsgs/android_device_samsung_galaxys/blob/master/config
you can go here and check out the reserved memory allocation. See line 766 and 1394 under "reserved memory config." the reserved mem adds up to approx. 140 mb. give or take a few. That would put us pretty close to 512. Some of that can be freed up as has been done on the i9000 forum. They have successfully freed up 40-50 mb to be used as free ram, although freeing up too much from certain locations can have negative results such as hindering 720p playback. See speedmod froyo in the i9000 forum for details. [KERNEL] SpeedMod Froyo 340MB RAM Optimized + Sharpness fix by Hardcore. I also think sztupy, developer of z4mod (I believe) had something to do with it.
Just a matter of time and hopefully we will have the same.

I know they're both advertised as having 512MB, but the Tab has more physical RAM than the phone. You can find a post somewhere in the forum talking about the memory chip configuration. The Tab has 128MB more than the phone. That's the primary reason the Tab has so much more available memory.

crazililazn said:
That is cuz how microsoft's file system, NTFS, which counts 1024 kb = 1 mb. That is why it is off. This has nothing to do with NTFS. This is most likely that the ram isnt there. If what you said is the case, that would mean all of the galaxy s phones would be advertised as 304 mb, cuz that is all the is usable at stock.
And your hard drive comparison, thats because for 1 TB to show up in windows, it would have to be 1024 GB instead of the normal 1000 GB just because NTFS has a different way of counting bytes.
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I just had to chime in - to satisfy the MS/HDD argument, an even better analogy: You purchase a Dell computer that is advertised to have a 500gb HDD. It arrives at your door only for you to find that (GASP!) the Windows install took 10gb, leaving you with only 490gb.
I believe that most if not all mobile handset manufacturers do this to some extemt. My Droid Incredible had 16gb of onboard storage advertised. They didn't mention that 4gb of that was reserved for the actual Android OS. It honestly never crossed my mind to feel swindled - it's just how it is.
That being said, I grow tired of this thread popping up as bumped when I check the Dev Forums for updates. While this discussion certainly has merit, it's nothing new to developers, nor does it have merit for them in particular.
Mods, can we get this thread locked or moved?

Z4mod is from Z4ziggy
tiger4j said:
https://github.com/cmsgs/android_device_samsung_galaxys/blob/master/config
you can go here and check out the reserved memory allocation. See line 766 and 1394 under "reserved memory config." the reserved mem adds up to approx. 140 mb. give or take a few. That would put us pretty close to 512. Some of that can be freed up as has been done on the i9000 forum. They have successfully freed up 40-50 mb to be used as free ram, although freeing up too much from certain locations can have negative results such as hindering 720p playback. See speedmod froyo in the i9000 forum for details. [KERNEL] SpeedMod Froyo 340MB RAM Optimized + Sharpness fix by Hardcore. I also think sztupy, developer of z4mod (I believe) had something to do with it.
Just a matter of time and hopefully we will have the same.
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[Q] PC upgrade planned... any suggestion?

Hey everyone,
I got my first laptop about 6 months back and in comparison to it my desktop just feels slow! My Desire HD even feels quicker! I have about £300 pounds to spend on an upgrade but I am not sure how to have the biggest effect on my system. At the moment I have...
Intel Core2 Duo 6600
Asus P5W-DH Deluxe
GeForce 9800 GTX+
2x 1GB OCZ PC-2 6400 Platinum
Western Digital Raptor 74GB (OS)
2x Samsung F1, 1Tb in Raid 1 (Main)
Enermax Liberty 500W
I use this machine for the normal office and web activities, as an FTP server to serve my media to laptop and phone, and occasional video encoding. I have two ideas about what to upgrade...
1) Swap my raptor for a SSD and chuck in a new Core 2, Quad Core CPU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...14&subcat=1427
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=6&subcat=567
2) Make the move to i5 (Mobo, CPU and Memory) and sacrifice getting a SSD
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=339&subcat=
I guess it all comes down to how good the SSD is? Anyways, I just wanted your opinions?
Thanks
Ed

32gb corsair/ocz ssd and 2-4gb extra ram , maybe a q6600 (they go for dirt cheap and oc nicely)
this should be about 200-220 pounds , any money spent higher than that this on an upgrade is unreasonable
also with ssd , as long as its a brand the newer the better , make sure ur not gettin some 1-2 yr old leftover from stock

My primary drive with my OS on is currently 74 GB. This is the perfect size for me as it's always got 60 - 70 GB of data on. If I get a SSD I would probably want it to be a similar size. 32 GB just seems too small. Maybe something like this...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-059-OC&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910
Also with the new Intel G3 and new Sandforce controllers coming out I figured current generation SSD's will drop a bit in price. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
It's interesting you suggested memory. For some stupid reason it didn't come to mind that I am just scraping Windows 7's minimum requirements. I guess its things like that which make me always ask on forums first! A fresh 4 GB ram would probably help a lot more than an upgraded CPU. I was looking at something like this...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-026-KS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=813
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-096-GL&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=813
Geil has better timings but I have heard good things about Kingston HyperX...
This CPU and memory comes in at under £200 well below my budget and will probs make the world of difference! All the feedback I can get is appreciated!

Former lead tech at Asus phone technical support says this:
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128441
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103894
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226103 (x2)
Sound Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102034
Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102915
SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227551

you dont need a sound card nowdays for the typical user ... and he isnt a gamer so i guess he doesnt need a better gfx , gtx+ is fairly decent , around a 4870 or 4890 , should be able to play crysis 2 on hardcore setting
also there decent enuff 775 cpu's to make the jump to am3 or intel i series unreasoned
and coming from a 3.5gb ddr1 400 config to a 2gb , later 6gb ddr3 1600 config i can tell the speed of the ram is hardly noticable , the trouble starts when it runs out

souljaboy said:
you dont need a sound card nowdays for the typical user ... and he isnt a gamer so i guess he doesnt need a better gfx , gtx+ is fairly decent , around a 4870 or 4890 , should be able to play crysis 2 on hardcore setting
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Very true! Also with the price of that recommended mobo, CPU and RAM in the UK I could get for a similar amount the core i5 option I found which is probably better...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=339&subcat=
Instead I like the sound of the cheaper option (SSD and RAM). That would probably fit my demands, and if not I can make another upgrade and carry across the SSD.
Has anyone got a convincing argument to not go for a SSD and 4Gb RAM?

keep the 2gb , and ull have 6 .

Can I do that? Would you put the new memory sticks in A1 and B1, and the old sticks in A2 and B2. That way the total in channel A would equal the total in channel B?

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new rams go in orange old in black and you should be gettin dual channel ... ull need a 64bit os tho

any of the new sandybridge cpu's are nice. I upgraded from an e6600 at the beginning of the year (new mobo and mem, kept hdd and everything else) and the upgrade was night/day.

slabyk said:
any of the new sandybridge cpu's are nice. I upgraded from an e6600 at the beginning of the year (new mobo and mem, kept hdd and everything else) and the upgrade was night/day.
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ive done the same from amd single core 1800mhz to quad core 3400mhz and on my day to day tasks(other than games) i find myself waiting for my slow hdd as i did with the old comp ... ssd would be the first thing i get ... but im always busy changing phones

Haven't really tried SSDs yet... I have way too much stuff to use an SDD effectively. I'd suggest that you go for upgrades that'll stay for a while, like going for a REALLY good processor, mobo and RAM combo and then start thinking about upgrading the other stuff.

souljaboy said:
ive done the same from amd single core 1800mhz to quad core 3400mhz and on my day to day tasks(other than games) i find myself waiting for my slow hdd as i did with the old comp ... ssd would be the first thing i get ... but im always busy changing phones
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I was worried the same thing would happen to me. Everyone I have spoken to who made the jump to a SSD has been amazed.
sakai4eva said:
Haven't really tried SSDs yet... I have way too much stuff to use an SDD effectively. I'd suggest that you go for upgrades that'll stay for a while, like going for a REALLY good processor, mobo and RAM combo and then start thinking about upgrading the other stuff.
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I have 2TB of media but my plan is to put OS on SSD and media on other drives. That setup should use SSD effectively. I agree completely with the rest of your post. I would love a nice new 'REALLY' good SandyBridge CPU, Mobo and RAM but that will blow my budget apart. By getting a good SSD it will stay for a while and be transferable from any system to any system too.
If I am unhappy with SSD choice I can always save again and make the move to SandyBridge at a later date.
I want so steer the whole conversation in a new direction now...
What SSD would people recommend?

Im struggling with my SSD choice. I know good solid options are the Intel X-25M and the OCZ Revodrive. I can get both of these in 80Gb options for about £170.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-004-IN&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-057-OC&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910
I know that for the same price I can get the new Intel SSD's in a 120GB variant but reviews suggest that the Intel X-25M and the OCZ Revodrive both beat the new Intel. As my aim is performance and as i dont need that extra space on my primary drive i have ruled it out.
The question is should I future proof my buy by stretching my budget to an OCZ Vertex 3.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-071-OC&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=1427
What do you all think?

Neither Get your budget to £220 then get an intel 510 120GB
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-009-IN
Just look at those speeds (450 read, 250 write) + You get a free game... Also I notice you linked to overclockers.co.uk too.... Do you have an account on their forums?

MacaronyMax said:
Neither Get your budget to £220 then get an intel 510 120GB
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-009-IN
Just look at those speeds (450 read, 250 write) + You get a free game... Also I notice you linked to overclockers.co.uk too.... Do you have an account on their forums?
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They weren't even up on the site when I looked! I thought they were going to be way more money than that but at that price i'm sold. Also made my mind up on RAM...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-190-CS&tool=3
Both of these should have my PC feeling like a different machine!
I only overclockers forums last week and I haven't posted there yet. Cant comment on whether they have a good community is that's what you were wondering
To get advice on this upgrade I only posted here and on PCstats. I still havent heard anything on PCstats. I thought XDA would be pretty poor as its for mobile devices but the responses have been pretty good.
Thanks everyone!!

get a modded os for perf ;-) like modded roms

edcoppen said:
They weren't even up on the site when I looked! I thought they were going to be way more money than that but at that price i'm sold. Also made my mind up on RAM...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-190-CS&tool=3
Both of these should have my PC feeling like a different machine!
I only overclockers forums last week and I haven't posted there yet. Cant comment on whether they have a good community is that's what you were wondering
To get advice on this upgrade I only posted here and on PCstats. I still havent heard anything on PCstats. I thought XDA would be pretty poor as its for mobile devices but the responses have been pretty good.
Thanks everyone!!
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Haha Aweome although... Is your motherboard DDR3 or 2 compatible? If it's DDR3 don't get that, it wontwotk haha, plus... Check amazon too... Last week I got 8GB DDR3 1333mhz for £65
haha naa... I signed up like last week too they're okay, helped me out on some stuff
Also xda is full of nerds and stuff so yeah... Your very likley r to get a response here

Spice Steller Horizon (MI-500) being Launched

Now this is good, could have been AWWSOMME....but still good...
Great thing is the price: 11,999 Only
Spice MI-500 Specification
1 GHz dual core Qualcomm Snapdragon processor and a dedicated 300 MHz GPU
4.0 Android ICS operating system
512 RAM
5 inch Capacitive Touchscreen
Dual SIM (GSM+GSM) Card Slot
5 Mega Pixel rear Camera & VGA
4 GB Internal Memory
32 GB Expandable Memory
Wi-Fi/GPS
2150 BATTERY that's a lot of juice....
Still trying to figure out the original OEM. Any leads.....

Two younger cousins also Launched
Spice has also launches 2 younger siblings...
Spice Steller MI 425
ICS ready dual sim smartphone Called Spice Mi-425, the smartphone comes with Android 2.3 operating system, 1 Ghz processor and a 5 megapixel camera.
the phone is based on Android 2.3, it is upgradable to Android ICS operating system as it has bare minimum requisite hardware like 1 Ghz processor and 512 of RAM.Mi-425 comes with 5 megapixel autofocus camera with LED flash along with a VGA front camera for video chats. a 2000 Mah Battery
BIG Drawback : Only 140 MB Internal Memory!
The phone is now available from Saholic for Rs 9,999.
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Spice Stellar Horizon Craze Mi-355.
It comes with Android 2.3 Gingerbread operating system but is upgradable to Android 4.0.
This dual SIM smartphone too has a 5 megapixel rear camera along with 0.3 megapixel front camera. Besides, this 3.5 inch capacitive touchscreen bearing phone has an 800 Mhz processor, 1420 mAh battery and usual features like Bluetooth, WiFi, GPS etc.
Will be available by end of month for 6,999 Only....

I also keeping a close eye on MI-500, waiting for a review from "IGYAAN"
I m trying to get more information about the screen, but i m not able found info regarding the resolution of the screen(anyone know's can share it here)...!!
all in all look's like a decent deal. But i am bit worried about the how good community support this device will get, after all without it it's not that fun in using Android...!!

Community support will be guys like you, I also have an eye on it, btw screen reso.will be wvga (800*400)

c_anuraag said:
Now this is good, could have been AWWSOMME....but still good...
Great thing is the price: 11,999 Only
Spice MI-500 Specification
1 GHz dual core Qualcomm Snapdragon processor and a dedicated 300 MHz GPU
4.0 Android ICS operating system
512 RAM
5 inch Capacitive Touchscreen
Dual SIM (GSM+GSM) Card Slot
5 Mega Pixel rear Camera & VGA
4 GB Internal Memory
32 GB Expandable Memory
Wi-Fi/GPS
2150 BATTERY that's a lot of juice....
Still trying to figure out the original OEM. Any leads.....
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sorry to let you know guys, but no dual-core from qualcomm supports dual-sim, only msm7227/ arm v6 & /a arm v7 supports, which are not at par
also i highly doubt if its a broadcomm dual core with power vr530/35 which is on most china phones, but i cant be sure , just adding my opinion
also the 512mb. is not good, seeing its gonna updated to ics & got a dual core may be qualcomm/broadcomm, as games & other stuff will strugle for performance due to lacking ram, same issues can be seen with optimus 2x & xperia play (sony not updating it to ics because games wont works well on ics + 512MB. ram) & you can also check playing mass effect inifilator on ics + on gb. & see the difference, it will crash after some time on bonus levels (the culprit is low ram)
,gonna buy it if it got 1GB. ram
+ no complain for wvga, we can use lower dpi as it got bigger screen,
m' gonna pay upto 17k if it got real s3/s4 qualcomm soc + 1GB. ram

yes, even Spice MI-425 also has msm7227 and adreno 200 so we need to see the specs of this MI-500 very closely.

mi-425 hands on-
http://www.themobileindian.com/news/6933_Hands-on-Spice-Stellar
+ mi-500 image-
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...oid-4-0-phone-Rs-12K/articleshow/13895423.cms

Yeah 512 RAM is definitely a bummer....but launch is still a month away...maybe final specs are different...
Lets watch...

And 480x800/850 262K colors for a 5" screen(my guess)
I do expect atleast a 16m colors atleast for same resolution.
They could increase the price for a 720p screen and win the market...

For me the bummer are:
- 512 mb ram still (atleast increase by 256 to 768 mb)
- Still 5.0 MP cam
Not sure about the screen res as of now but definitely 840X480 could be OK if the color supported are 16M as its the same case with my Archos Tablet whose screen is quite crisp.
Rgds
Sandy

hi
this looks intresting may be ill wait for some time and then upgrade
i did fall in love with the HTC one X but it was t costly for me
but this looks ok for me thanks guys for the info

The Mobile Indian has put up a first look, looks like a Chinese variant being shown off.
The link
From the looks of it, looks like 480x800, 262k (not 16M) or my eyes deceive me

after one year spice mi 410 got its competitor in terms of spec and price.
this is just vfm.

guys have a look on it, its horizon (MI 500)
http://www.themobileindian.com/news/6935_First-Look-Spice-Stellar-Horizon

vivekb said:
guys have a look on it, its horizon (MI 500)
http://www.themobileindian.com/news/6935_First-Look-Spice-Stellar-Horizon
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hi
one thing for sure they are improving the looks now with the new range

screen in poor maybe 16m colour, but colours are warm similar to mi-410
also no led for camera(@ p5
but @page 1-2 they say it got a led flash
+ (doubt starts here) www.themobileindian.com/news/6935_First-Look-Spice-Stellar-Horizon_3
" Spice has used the same Snapdragon
processor as in the Mi-425, but a slightly
bigger 300 MHz GPU to tackle the extra load
from the larger screen.
Spice Stellar Horizon has a 4 GB internal
memory as well as 512 MB RAM which will also
aide its performance (Internal memory enables
faster performance)."
this site is one of the poorest reviewers
1. they say it got dual core on page 1 but on 3 they say it got same chip as mi 425
2. they say gpu @300 compared to mi 425, to cope with large screen, now how will it help as resolution is same i think wvga for both, 4" 5" dont matters, also as far i know on orig. htc desire adreno 200 was clocked at 92-108mhz. + doing 720p vid. rec. + play at highest, and if its adreno 200 as parkhi say & m conc. for dual sim thing, such higher oc' is not possible for old chip by 200% without liquid nitrogen cooler
+ if its really got a dual core, then it must have hd video rec. atleast 720p or something
3. + they say 4gb. int. mem. with 512mb. ram will help stability, now how int. mem. had to do anything with ram
any the themed rom looks cool with sauve hd icons
they are whole bunch of noobs, the indian mobile guys
spice had already used confusing adv. earliar also they said mi 270 dual core (cpu + gsm radio cpu for dual sim spp) & dedicated gpu @333 but there wasnt any gpu, some said the other radio cpu is gpu, i bought mi-410 becuase i know it was a ideos x6 variant but latter i knew it was foxconn and now we got no official support or anything, so i wont go for spice again>> this ome game is not good,
my next mobile-
sony> htc > huawei> ome > samsung
good bye friends m' getting myself a new phone next month, maybe a evo 3d so i wont be frequent to this forum
good bye guys, thanks for everything
i will still own this phone till it get sold

Nitin even I'm thinking of selling this but why Samsung is last in your list and is Huawei better than Samsung, What is OME?
Thanks

hi
the Bad part is even though Spice has so many showroom at least in Bangalore they do have quite a lot.They dont promote their own Mobiles in their show room
just walk in to any show room and u will have to ask for their own brand to get info on the same very sad in deed. if this was my show room and my Brand the 1st thing i would do is start seriously promoting my Mobiles
at least show it to every customer who walks in .I just dont understand why Spice does not do it

haree said:
I just dont understand why Spice does not do it
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I think you are talking about Spice HotSpots and they know that what they sell is just chinese re-branded and nothing of high quality and the showrooms doesn't run on these goods, they advertise HTC and Samsung.
the policy is same even on saholic (their official online store)

paarkhi said:
I think you are talking about Spice HotSpots and they know that what they sell is just chinese re-branded and nothing of high quality and the showrooms doesn't run on these goods, they advertise HTC and Samsung.
the policy is same even on saholic (their official online store)
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hi
yea u are right buddy but what the hell its their product and logically speaking if it was mine and my show room id at least show it to all the walk in customers

[SPECS] Sony Xperia E1 Specifications - General Discussions

Hey all
I've changed the OP of this thread with specification listings as i thought it may be more helpful.:good:
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Specifications:
Display - TFT, 4.0 inches, 480 x 800 pixels (~233 ppi pixel density)
Chipset - Qualcomm MSM8210 Snapdragon 200
CPU - Dual-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A7
GPU - Adreno 302
RAM - 512 MB
Memory - 4 GB, microSD, up to 32 GB
Camera - 3.15 MP, 2048 x 1536 pixels
Secondary Camera - N/A
Sensors - Accelerometer, proximity, compass
Connectivity - Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Wi-Fi Direct, hotspot, Bluetooth v4.0
Battery - 1700 mAh
Dimensions - 118 x 62.4 x 12 mm
Weight - 120 g
Color Availability - Black, Purple, White​

Xperia E1
Hey Guys. This section from my understanding was made for the more lower end devices at much cheaper prices with still capabilities of mid-range/high end performances. Well, what about the upcoming Xperia E1?
It should be in here because:
1) It is the follow on from the current Xperia E in this section.
2) It is affordable and mid-range, like the devices in this sections.
3)Specs are decent (Dual Core 1.2 Ghz, Android 4.3, only 512MB of RAM) and so can be improved (RAM Swapfiles/Increasers, CM11 or Android 4.4.2, Maxed CPU with Greenify).
What do you think? And to top it off - Over than the Swapper for Root making Swapfiles, does anyone know how to actually increase the RAM of the Xperia E (Virtual or Internally?). I have 409MB Max Ram and I want to add 512MB more from my Class 4/4GB Sd card. Any help? Because RAM will increase my game's performance by far.
STAY ON TOPIC - Xperia E1, Opinions on the phone, release date, leaked secrets about it, will it be on this forum???

No offense dude, but you should never mention the E1 in this section of xda... Makes us lament our decisions (and hate Sony even more)
EDIT : I will answer your question about RAM though.
An SD card is MUCH MUCH slower than RAM. AFAIK, RAM is the fastest memory of any machine.
So even if you do use the SD card, it will be extremely slow.
That slow.
sent from my Xperia E (C1504) using xda Premium
HIT THE THANKS BUTTON IF I WAS OF ANY HELP

The E1.... is a crap phone in its range and should be avoided at all costs. In it's range, we've got the Xperia M, Galaxy S Duos 2, and (after some stretching of the budget) the Moto G. You seriously think anybody would want this thing? The prices introduced in Germany are (from amazon.de) EUR 144. This is roughly equal to Rs. 12k, the price of an Xperia M. An S Duos 2 comes for Rs. 11k.
Note that the price is for Germany - looking at India's economy, I think it won't be released for less than 13k.

Ohh...
Sorry I was going for Xperia m as my summer choice anyway...
Sent from my C1605 using xda app-developers app

XPeRIAeUSeR said:
Hey Guys. This section from my understanding was made for the more lower end devices at much cheaper prices with still capabilities of mid-range/high end performances. Well, what about the upcoming Xperia E1?
It should be in here because:
1) It is the follow on from the current Xperia E in this section.
2) It is affordable and mid-range, like the devices in this sections.
3)Specs are decent (Dual Core 1.2 Ghz, Android 4.3, only 512MB of RAM) and so can be improved (RAM Swapfiles/Increasers, CM11 or Android 4.4.2, Maxed CPU with Greenify).
What do you think? And to top it off - Over than the Swapper for Root making Swapfiles, does anyone know how to actually increase the RAM of the Xperia E (Virtual or Internally?). I have 409MB Max Ram and I want to add 512MB more from my Class 4/4GB Sd card. Any help? Because RAM will increase my game's performance by far.
STAY ON TOPIC - Xperia E1, Opinions on the phone, release date, leaked secrets about it, will it be on this forum???
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Xperia E1 might go to the Xperia L, Xperia M sections too. Maybe its a Semi-Tamsui (if you know what I mean) like the Xperia E itself.

the xe1 is a class for it self ... i mean it comes with a completely new chipset (qct s400; 2x1,2ghz cortex a7+adreno 302) ... and dunno but it comes without front cam ?!
and btw xperia m/l comes with qct snapdragon s4 plus and this means that they have a better gpu (i think so),so when you like music more than play games or something buy e1,for performance i would definitely choose m/l cause of cortex a9 cores and andreno 305.

XPeRIAeUSeR said:
Hey Guys. This section from my understanding was made for the more lower end devices at much cheaper prices with still capabilities of mid-range/high end performances. Well, what about the upcoming Xperia E1?
It should be in here because:
1) It is the follow on from the current Xperia E in this section.
2) It is affordable and mid-range, like the devices in this sections.
3)Specs are decent (Dual Core 1.2 Ghz, Android 4.3, only 512MB of RAM) and so can be improved (RAM Swapfiles/Increasers, CM11 or Android 4.4.2, Maxed CPU with Greenify).
What do you think? And to top it off - Over than the Swapper for Root making Swapfiles, does anyone know how to actually increase the RAM of the Xperia E (Virtual or Internally?). I have 409MB Max Ram and I want to add 512MB more from my Class 4/4GB Sd card. Any help? Because RAM will increase my game's performance by far.
STAY ON TOPIC - Xperia E1, Opinions on the phone, release date, leaked secrets about it, will it be on this forum???
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E1 firmwares and other stuff wont work for E ......so i dont care even a bit for E1
and the ram swaping damages memory card if used for a long time ,,,life of the card decreases

This is a very cool phone, the case is just a little thick.

Damn Cool
I love the Xperia E1: It looks awesome (really similar to the Xperia Z1 Compact), it has the Walkman button and it has Android 4.3 .
And from the first Russian hands-on it seems that the display is really bright and colorful, and it seems very fast
P.S : The price in Italy is 119 euros, so who has Miro, Tipo and E can switch to it without spending a lot of money
P.P.S: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBhjpTLsUK8 New hands on of E1

just bought e1 dual today... at rm499 + free 8gb microsd, its way better than my older tipo single. and i still cant root it, yet. now trying to update to the newest software version. other than the loud 100db speaker, i would say it win over tipo because: bigger screen resolution, a litter faster chip, and louder speaker. other than that, everything is copied over.

zzztidurvirus said:
just bought e1 dual today... at rm499 + free 8gb microsd, its way better than my older tipo single. and i still cant root it, yet. now trying to update to the newest software version. other than the loud 100db speaker, i would say it win over tipo because: bigger screen resolution, a litter faster chip, and louder speaker. other than that, everything is copied over.
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Hey, how is the gaming? Im Malaysian too..is it ok? No lag even playing hardcore games like asphalt 8, mc4 or else?
Sent from my C1505 using xda app-developers app

kuugatitan98 said:
Hey, how is the gaming? Im Malaysian too..is it ok? No lag even playing hardcore games like asphalt 8, mc4 or else?
Sent from my C1505 using xda app-developers app
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i didnt have those games yet. maybe tonight i try to get asphalt 8. weird, antutu seems to crash whenever it reaches the graphics test (the screen with those fishes swimming). still no way to root it, yet. testing the e1dual with raging thunder 2, it runs smoothly, way better than tipo (better graphics, maybe?)
Update:
No asphalt 8 for e1d today. no wifi, h+ on maxis? too expensive for me... Suggestions?

Can anyone get a System Dump of E1 for me
Thanks

aazzam16661 said:
Can anyone get a System Dump of E1 for me
Thanks
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here's the firmware (extract what you need youreself ) http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-j-e/general/ftf-xperia-e1-dual-d2105-20-0-b-0-68-t2691570

Grimlock007 said:
here's the firmware (extract what you need youreself ) http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-j-e/general/ftf-xperia-e1-dual-d2105-20-0-b-0-68-t2691570
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I have downloaded it, but I don't know how to extract the System Files and the Ramdisk

aazzam16661 said:
I have downloaded it, but I don't know how to extract the System Files and the Ramdisk
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Open the .ftf with WinRar and extract system.sin. In Flashtool go to tools>sin editor and extract system.sin. You will get a system.ext4 file(Linux archive file). Use any Linux archiver to extract the folders in the system.ext4 file.
For the ramdisk you can use this tool: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1262656
You just need to extract the kernel.sin from the .ftf and follow the instructions. If you do not have Linux, Cywgin with perl installed should do.
Hope that helps
Mats

aazzam16661 said:
I have downloaded it, but I don't know how to extract the System Files and the Ramdisk
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yea...follow the stuff what matspunt said...
anyway ..may we know what plans you have with the files? roms? app porting?

Grimlock007 said:
yea...follow the stuff what matspunt said...
anyway ..may we know what plans you have with the files? roms? app porting?
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Well, I have Nothing Do to. I haven't Tried to port a Xperia Rom
So, I want to port this rom to The Legendary HD2
May not work
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MatsPunt said:
Open the .ftf with WinRar and extract system.sin. In Flashtool go to tools>sin editor and extract system.sin. You will get a system.ext4 file(Linux archive file). Use any Linux archiver to extract the folders in the system.ext4 file.
For the ramdisk you can use this tool: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1262656
You just need to extract the kernel.sin from the .ftf and follow the instructions. If you do not have Linux, Cywgin with perl installed should do.
Hope that helps
Mats
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Thanks, Worked Perfectly
Now deodexing in Kitchen and then Gonna port to my HTC HD2

aazzam16661 said:
Well, I have Nothing Do to. I haven't Tried to port a Xperia Rom
So, I want to port this rom to The Legendary HD2
May not work
---------- Post added at 10:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:27 PM ----------
Thanks, Worked Perfectly
Now deodexing in Kitchen and then Gonna port to my HTC HD2
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O! good luck! ... yea xperia roms are a bit difficult to port i think....but you have experience with HTC(which is also not easy....right?) so that'll help