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Spice Steller Horizon (MI-500) being Launched

Now this is good, could have been AWWSOMME....but still good...
Great thing is the price: 11,999 Only
Spice MI-500 Specification
1 GHz dual core Qualcomm Snapdragon processor and a dedicated 300 MHz GPU
4.0 Android ICS operating system
512 RAM
5 inch Capacitive Touchscreen
Dual SIM (GSM+GSM) Card Slot
5 Mega Pixel rear Camera & VGA
4 GB Internal Memory
32 GB Expandable Memory
Wi-Fi/GPS
2150 BATTERY that's a lot of juice....
Still trying to figure out the original OEM. Any leads.....

Two younger cousins also Launched
Spice has also launches 2 younger siblings...
Spice Steller MI 425
ICS ready dual sim smartphone Called Spice Mi-425, the smartphone comes with Android 2.3 operating system, 1 Ghz processor and a 5 megapixel camera.
the phone is based on Android 2.3, it is upgradable to Android ICS operating system as it has bare minimum requisite hardware like 1 Ghz processor and 512 of RAM.Mi-425 comes with 5 megapixel autofocus camera with LED flash along with a VGA front camera for video chats. a 2000 Mah Battery
BIG Drawback : Only 140 MB Internal Memory!
The phone is now available from Saholic for Rs 9,999.
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Spice Stellar Horizon Craze Mi-355.
It comes with Android 2.3 Gingerbread operating system but is upgradable to Android 4.0.
This dual SIM smartphone too has a 5 megapixel rear camera along with 0.3 megapixel front camera. Besides, this 3.5 inch capacitive touchscreen bearing phone has an 800 Mhz processor, 1420 mAh battery and usual features like Bluetooth, WiFi, GPS etc.
Will be available by end of month for 6,999 Only....

I also keeping a close eye on MI-500, waiting for a review from "IGYAAN"
I m trying to get more information about the screen, but i m not able found info regarding the resolution of the screen(anyone know's can share it here)...!!
all in all look's like a decent deal. But i am bit worried about the how good community support this device will get, after all without it it's not that fun in using Android...!!

Community support will be guys like you, I also have an eye on it, btw screen reso.will be wvga (800*400)

c_anuraag said:
Now this is good, could have been AWWSOMME....but still good...
Great thing is the price: 11,999 Only
Spice MI-500 Specification
1 GHz dual core Qualcomm Snapdragon processor and a dedicated 300 MHz GPU
4.0 Android ICS operating system
512 RAM
5 inch Capacitive Touchscreen
Dual SIM (GSM+GSM) Card Slot
5 Mega Pixel rear Camera & VGA
4 GB Internal Memory
32 GB Expandable Memory
Wi-Fi/GPS
2150 BATTERY that's a lot of juice....
Still trying to figure out the original OEM. Any leads.....
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sorry to let you know guys, but no dual-core from qualcomm supports dual-sim, only msm7227/ arm v6 & /a arm v7 supports, which are not at par
also i highly doubt if its a broadcomm dual core with power vr530/35 which is on most china phones, but i cant be sure , just adding my opinion
also the 512mb. is not good, seeing its gonna updated to ics & got a dual core may be qualcomm/broadcomm, as games & other stuff will strugle for performance due to lacking ram, same issues can be seen with optimus 2x & xperia play (sony not updating it to ics because games wont works well on ics + 512MB. ram) & you can also check playing mass effect inifilator on ics + on gb. & see the difference, it will crash after some time on bonus levels (the culprit is low ram)
,gonna buy it if it got 1GB. ram
+ no complain for wvga, we can use lower dpi as it got bigger screen,
m' gonna pay upto 17k if it got real s3/s4 qualcomm soc + 1GB. ram

yes, even Spice MI-425 also has msm7227 and adreno 200 so we need to see the specs of this MI-500 very closely.

mi-425 hands on-
http://www.themobileindian.com/news/6933_Hands-on-Spice-Stellar
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...oid-4-0-phone-Rs-12K/articleshow/13895423.cms

Yeah 512 RAM is definitely a bummer....but launch is still a month away...maybe final specs are different...
Lets watch...

And 480x800/850 262K colors for a 5" screen(my guess)
I do expect atleast a 16m colors atleast for same resolution.
They could increase the price for a 720p screen and win the market...

For me the bummer are:
- 512 mb ram still (atleast increase by 256 to 768 mb)
- Still 5.0 MP cam
Not sure about the screen res as of now but definitely 840X480 could be OK if the color supported are 16M as its the same case with my Archos Tablet whose screen is quite crisp.
Rgds
Sandy

hi
this looks intresting may be ill wait for some time and then upgrade
i did fall in love with the HTC one X but it was t costly for me
but this looks ok for me thanks guys for the info

The Mobile Indian has put up a first look, looks like a Chinese variant being shown off.
The link
From the looks of it, looks like 480x800, 262k (not 16M) or my eyes deceive me

after one year spice mi 410 got its competitor in terms of spec and price.
this is just vfm.

guys have a look on it, its horizon (MI 500)
http://www.themobileindian.com/news/6935_First-Look-Spice-Stellar-Horizon

vivekb said:
guys have a look on it, its horizon (MI 500)
http://www.themobileindian.com/news/6935_First-Look-Spice-Stellar-Horizon
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hi
one thing for sure they are improving the looks now with the new range

screen in poor maybe 16m colour, but colours are warm similar to mi-410
also no led for camera(@ p5
but @page 1-2 they say it got a led flash
+ (doubt starts here) www.themobileindian.com/news/6935_First-Look-Spice-Stellar-Horizon_3
" Spice has used the same Snapdragon
processor as in the Mi-425, but a slightly
bigger 300 MHz GPU to tackle the extra load
from the larger screen.
Spice Stellar Horizon has a 4 GB internal
memory as well as 512 MB RAM which will also
aide its performance (Internal memory enables
faster performance)."
this site is one of the poorest reviewers
1. they say it got dual core on page 1 but on 3 they say it got same chip as mi 425
2. they say gpu @300 compared to mi 425, to cope with large screen, now how will it help as resolution is same i think wvga for both, 4" 5" dont matters, also as far i know on orig. htc desire adreno 200 was clocked at 92-108mhz. + doing 720p vid. rec. + play at highest, and if its adreno 200 as parkhi say & m conc. for dual sim thing, such higher oc' is not possible for old chip by 200% without liquid nitrogen cooler
+ if its really got a dual core, then it must have hd video rec. atleast 720p or something
3. + they say 4gb. int. mem. with 512mb. ram will help stability, now how int. mem. had to do anything with ram
any the themed rom looks cool with sauve hd icons
they are whole bunch of noobs, the indian mobile guys
spice had already used confusing adv. earliar also they said mi 270 dual core (cpu + gsm radio cpu for dual sim spp) & dedicated gpu @333 but there wasnt any gpu, some said the other radio cpu is gpu, i bought mi-410 becuase i know it was a ideos x6 variant but latter i knew it was foxconn and now we got no official support or anything, so i wont go for spice again>> this ome game is not good,
my next mobile-
sony> htc > huawei> ome > samsung
good bye friends m' getting myself a new phone next month, maybe a evo 3d so i wont be frequent to this forum
good bye guys, thanks for everything
i will still own this phone till it get sold

Nitin even I'm thinking of selling this but why Samsung is last in your list and is Huawei better than Samsung, What is OME?
Thanks

hi
the Bad part is even though Spice has so many showroom at least in Bangalore they do have quite a lot.They dont promote their own Mobiles in their show room
just walk in to any show room and u will have to ask for their own brand to get info on the same very sad in deed. if this was my show room and my Brand the 1st thing i would do is start seriously promoting my Mobiles
at least show it to every customer who walks in .I just dont understand why Spice does not do it

haree said:
I just dont understand why Spice does not do it
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I think you are talking about Spice HotSpots and they know that what they sell is just chinese re-branded and nothing of high quality and the showrooms doesn't run on these goods, they advertise HTC and Samsung.
the policy is same even on saholic (their official online store)

paarkhi said:
I think you are talking about Spice HotSpots and they know that what they sell is just chinese re-branded and nothing of high quality and the showrooms doesn't run on these goods, they advertise HTC and Samsung.
the policy is same even on saholic (their official online store)
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hi
yea u are right buddy but what the hell its their product and logically speaking if it was mine and my show room id at least show it to all the walk in customers

Just wondering..no need 2 fight

hey all
its about 1 month since i started to search what my new smart phone (my first actually) should be.....now the last battle is between xperia z and lumia 920.....i hate that there rnt many videos about them together on YouTube....i just have 2 points to ask about....screen and processor....i know that u will say Z is HD and 441 PPI 5 inch..........and lumia is 4.5 .HD and so........i know it i just want some1 who tried both is there rly big difference in the display?.....the same about processor..Big difference?.......i saw the theoritical way....i need to hear about ur practice ^_^
BTW i cant try both phones as neither of them is in my city......thats why iam asking u Friends ^_^
thanks in advance

abokorayem said:
hey all
its about 1 month since i started to search what my new smart phone (my first actually) should be.....now the last battle is between xperia z and lumia 920.....i hate that there rnt many videos about them together on YouTube....i just have 2 points to ask about....screen and processor....i know that u will say Z is HD and 441 PPI 5 inch..........and lumia is 4.5 .HD and so........i know it i just want some1 who tried both is there rly big difference in the display?.....the same about processor..Big difference?.......i saw the theoritical way....i need to hear about ur practice ^_^
BTW i cant try both phones as neither of them is in my city......thats why iam asking u Friends ^_^
thanks in advance
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I tried both. The 920 is good but the system (Windows Mobile) it's running on is a complete disaster (Lack of apps, ugly UI, etc). It's build and design is also nothing less than pathetic in comparison to the Z. You won't notice a big difference in the pixel density unless you put your eyes very close to the display but I would still side with the Z because if a dead pixel arises, it will much harder to notice it on the Z, since its display is much more densely packed with them. The processor is also superior on the Z but what the 920 has, will suffice for most tasks aside from the newest and latest games (Once again, the Z wins here because it's more future-proof).
On a side notice, could you try to write nicer next time, the use of shorthand is annoying.

Traczyk said:
I tried both. The 920 is good but the system (Windows Mobile) it's running on is a complete disaster (Lack of apps, ugly UI, etc). It's build and design is also nothing less than pathetic in comparison to the Z. You won't notice a big difference in the pixel density unless you put your eyes very close to the display but I would still side with the Z because if a dead pixel arises, it will much harder to notice it on the Z, since its display is much more densely packed with them. The processor is also superior on the Z but what the 920 has, will suffice for most tasks aside from the newest and latest games (Once again, the Z wins here because it's more future-proof).
On a side notice, could you try to write nicer next time, the use of shorthand is annoying.
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thanks 4 ur help
just a question.....if i didnt know that xperia z is quad and lumia is dual....would i notice that in performance?
about WP 8 i actually love it .....llack of apps will be fixed gradually...and i heard that xperia z lags more than lumia 920..true?.............and what about battery life?
thanks in advance

abokorayem said:
thanks 4 ur help
just a question.....if i didnt know that xperia z is quad and lumia is dual....would i notice that in performance?
about WP 8 i actually love it .....llack of apps will be fixed gradually...and i heard that xperia z lags more than lumia 920..true?.............and what about battery life?
thanks in advance
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quad and dual are very noticible.. quad can fast proccesing in apps,ofcors its quad, ull notice that on dual core. u might take catching up sometime when opening an app.. (windows phone for me not that useable by my daily basis).. im using ZL same specs in Z.. i dont have any problems with it.. my suggestion is use Z.. battery life so far not an issue anyways.. its on how you use ur phone..

julianalexander said:
quad and dual are very noticible.. quad can fast proccesing in apps,ofcors its quad, ull notice that on dual core. u might take catching up sometime when opening an app.. (windows phone for me not that useable by my daily basis).. im using ZL same specs in Z.. i dont have any problems with it.. my suggestion is use Z.. battery life so far not an issue anyways.. its on how you use ur phone..
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thanks 4 ur reply but about processor let me agree and disagree aswell..........dual vs quad ofcourse quad wins but lumia runs WP8 with no lags at all....in some vids that i watched on Youtube i saw that devices with Quad core as Xperia z and With Android just lags a bit....they said something about adware..malware wich slows android down

abokorayem said:
thanks 4 ur reply but about processor let me agree and disagree aswell..........dual vs quad ofcourse quad wins but lumia runs WP8 with no lags at all....in some vids that i watched on Youtube i saw that devices with Quad core as Xperia z and With Android just lags a bit....they said something about adware..malware wich slows android down
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Yes,as my friend using wp8 i used it for a few minutes,my observation is the the os is light,very minimal use of processing,i agree aswell,but for having quad im sure it helps fast speed, ofcors by the help of ram to take effect.. Quad integrates on multi tasking and as what i say,ram is there to help.. And it boils to what you comfortably using.. Lets keep this thread very useful. On some other threads comparing etc. Is been lockdown..
:thumbup::thumbup:
sent from my C6502

julianalexander said:
Yes,as my friend using wp8 i used it for a few minutes,my observation is the the os is light,very minimal use of processing,i agree aswell,but for having quad im sure it helps fast speed, ofcors by the help of ram to take effect.. Quad integrates on multi tasking and as what i say,ram is there to help.. And it boils to what you comfortably using.. Lets keep this thread very useful. On some other threads comparing etc. Is been lockdown..
:thumbup::thumbup:
sent from my C6502
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I agree all the way with u but....i got something to say which will need confirmation from u
that this is : If iam not a gamer or care alot about heavy 3d games....Lumia 920 would match me more,right?
I mean camera...speakers....even display (bravia engine is only on in photos and vids while HD+ and pure motion r always on)
oh btw....after the buttons bar (the grey one) how large the screen is?4.8 inchs or what?
Thanks in advance

abokorayem said:
hey all
its about 1 month since i started to search what my new smart phone (my first actually) should be.....now the last battle is between xperia z and lumia 920.....i hate that there rnt many videos about them together on YouTube....i just have 2 points to ask about....screen and processor....i know that u will say Z is HD and 441 PPI 5 inch..........and lumia is 4.5 .HD and so........i know it i just want some1 who tried both is there rly big difference in the display?.....the same about processor..Big difference?.......i saw the theoritical way....i need to hear about ur practice ^_^
BTW i cant try both phones as neither of them is in my city......thats why iam asking u Friends ^_^
thanks in advance
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First of all let's compare both phones in spec.
You can check it here for more info: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4967&idPhone2=5204
But the most important features.
Screen:
Lumia 920: HD 1280x768 4.5" 332 ppi
Xperia Z: FULL HD 1920x0180 5" 441 ppi
There is quite a difference between full hd and hd also the ppi are much higher in the XZ, so the pictures/full hd videos will look much crisp on the XZ.
Weight
L920: 185 g (6.53 oz)
XZ: 146 g (5.15 oz)
The L920 is heavy, 40g more than the XZ. You will notice that
Memory / Storage
L920: 1Gb RAM / 32GB No sd-card slot
XZ: 2Gb Ram / 16GB Sd card slot
Ram depends on the OS and the usage. Storage is bigger on the L920 by default but no option to increase the storage.
Bluetooth
L920: 3.2
XZ: 4.0
If you use bluetooth a lot the 4.0 protocol is much reliable.
Camera:
L920: 8 MP, 3264 x 2448 pixels, Carl Zeiss optics, optical image stabilization, autofocus, dual-LED flash
XZ: 13.1 MP, 4128x3096 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
If I'm not wrong, L920 camera is much better in low light condition and in general terms.
OS
L920: Microsoft Windows Phone 8
XZ: Android OS, v4.1.2
Android has much more apps than WP8 in the market, the customization of android is endless (you can access file system, modify the whole rom, kernel) rather than in the wp8 is much more limited.
CPU / GPU
L920: Dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait / Adreno 225
XZ: Quad-core 1.5 GHz Krait /Adreno 320
Depends on OS and usage. Quad-core much faster than Dual-core.
Radio
L920 No
XZ: Stereo FM radio with RDS
If you need Radio FM, it's a no brainer. XZ has it, L920 doesn't. Obviously there is always Internet Radio that works using data mobile.
Battery:
L920: 2000mAh
XZ: 2330mAh
Price (SIM free):
L920: £399 Carphone Warehouse
XZ: £489 Carphone Warehouse
L920 is cheaper
Around the same battery life.
Right, now. Ask yourself this questions.
What are you going to use the phone for?
What is your budget?
Do you use app intensive taks? Playing heavy CPU/GPU intensive games?
Do you find useful the Water/Dust resistance on the XZ, (ie it's protected from rain, failing into water by accident)?

wawyed said:
First of all let's compare both phones in spec.
You can check it here for more info: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4967&idPhone2=5204
But the most important features.
Screen:
Lumia 920: HD 1280x768 4.5" 332 ppi
Xperia Z: FULL HD 1920x0180 5" 441 ppi
There is quite a difference between full hd and hd also the ppi are much higher in the XZ, so the pictures/full hd videos will look much crisp on the XZ.
Weight
L920: 185 g (6.53 oz)
XZ: 146 g (5.15 oz)
The L920 is heavy, 40g more than the XZ. You will notice that
Memory / Storage
L920: 1Gb RAM / 32GB No sd-card slot
XZ: 2Gb Ram / 16GB Sd card slot
Ram depends on the OS and the usage. Storage is bigger on the L920 by default but no option to increase the storage.
Bluetooth
L920: 3.2
XZ: 4.0
If you use bluetooth a lot the 4.0 protocol is much reliable.
Camera:
L920: 8 MP, 3264 x 2448 pixels, Carl Zeiss optics, optical image stabilization, autofocus, dual-LED flash
XZ: 13.1 MP, 4128x3096 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
If I'm not wrong, L920 camera is much better in low light condition and in general terms.
OS
L920: Microsoft Windows Phone 8
XZ: Android OS, v4.1.2
Android has much more apps than WP8 in the market, the customization of android is endless (you can access file system, modify the whole rom, kernel) rather than in the wp8 is much more limited.
CPU / GPU
L920: Dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait / Adreno 225
XZ: Quad-core 1.5 GHz Krait /Adreno 320
Depends on OS and usage. Quad-core much faster than Dual-core.
Radio
L920 No
XZ: Stereo FM radio with RDS
If you need Radio FM, it's a no brainer. XZ has it, L920 doesn't. Obviously there is always Internet Radio that works using data mobile.
Battery:
L920: 2000mAh
XZ: 2330mAh
Price (SIM free):
L920: £399 Carphone Warehouse
XZ: £489 Carphone Warehouse
L920 is cheaper
Around the same battery life.
Right, now. Ask yourself this questions.
What are you going to use the phone for?
What is your budget?
Do you use app intensive taks? Playing heavy CPU/GPU intensive games?
Do you find useful the Water/Dust resistance on the XZ, (ie it's protected from rain, failing into water by accident)?
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First of all, let me thank u 4 ur effort
secondly:about screen being Crisp or so...i heard that naked eye cant differentiate between both as if its higher than 300 PPI its almost the same
Iam not keen on gaming or so i will buy it mainly for reading e-books,taking pics and watching vids(not that much even)
About Water resistant....iam from a dry country...No rains for 3-4 years actually so it doesnt matter 4 me

abokorayem said:
First of all, let me thank u 4 ur effort
secondly:about screen being Crisp or so...i heard that naked eye cant differentiate between both as if its higher than 300 PPI its almost the same
Iam not keen on gaming or so i will buy it mainly for reading e-books,taking pics and watching vids(not that much even)
About Water resistant....iam from a dry country...No rains for 3-4 years actually so it doesnt matter 4 me
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Then zl is ur choice compromising the water resistant.. Even ur not gamer better specs still.. Use quad. Xperia z to say..
About the softkeys,theres a mod resizing that to 25 and black and depending what size u want. 48dpi is stock softkeys.. Lot of devlopers on z.
sent from my C6502

abokorayem said:
First of all, let me thank u 4 ur effort
secondly:about screen being Crisp or so...i heard that naked eye cant differentiate between both as if its higher than 300 PPI its almost the same
Iam not keen on gaming or so i will buy it mainly for reading e-books,taking pics and watching vids(not that much even)
About Water resistant....iam from a dry country...No rains for 3-4 years actually so it doesnt matter 4 me
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Take into account that appart from the DPI, one is HD (720p) and the other is Full-HD (1080p), there is a difference between them. You will notice it while browsing a website and zooming to read, it will be much sharp in the XZ.
If you are going to read e-book you will find it more easier in a bigger screen, 5" vs 4.5" is quite a difference in screen size.
At the end of the day is a matter of preference, Android vs WP8. Right now I think Android is a better OS in terms of app and support. Also XZ has the technological advantage compared to the L920. For the price of both I would go for the XZ, personally. As someone said before, XZ is more future-proof, a Dual core and 720p is getting obsolete and 1gb ram is quite low imho. If you are not convinced with the XZ, there are other options: Samsung, HTC, LG.
The best thing to do is go to a shop and hold both at the same time, try most of the features and go for the one your guts tells you.
If I helped you, you could press the thanks button

wawyed said:
Take into account that appart from the DPI, one is HD (720p) and the other is Full-HD (1080p), there is a difference between them. You will notice it while browsing a website and zooming to read, it will be much sharp in the XZ.
If you are going to read e-book you will find it more easier in a bigger screen, 5" vs 4.5" is quite a difference in screen size.
At the end of the day is a matter of preference, Android vs WP8. Right now I think Android is a better OS in terms of app and support. Also XZ has the technological advantage compared to the L920. For the price of both I would go for the XZ, personally. As someone said before, XZ is more future-proof, a Dual core and 720p is getting obsolete and 1gb ram is quite low imho. If you are not convinced with the XZ, there are other options: Samsung, HTC, LG.
The best thing to do is go to a shop and hold both at the same time, try most of the features and go for the one your guts tells you.
If I helped you, you could press the thanks button
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already pressed thanks putton ^_^
what do u think of this
LG Optimus G LS970?

so xperia z or LG Optimus G LS970?

abokorayem said:
so xperia z or LG Optimus G LS970?
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After settling for 5 inch phone, I would never go for anything below it. I have seen the Optimus g is person . It's quite nice. If I'm not wrong the specs of Optimus g and xperia z is almost the same s4 pro quad core with 2 gb ram. Except it's not full hd like the xz and at a lower ppi 318 vs xz's 441. And no ip55/57 rating. The screen looks nice but I haven't tried reading on it. I just watch a video playback.
Sent from my Xperia Z

abokorayem said:
so xperia z or LG Optimus G LS970?
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I had them both in my hand , my friend's LG and a co-worker had the Xperia... Personally I ordered the Xperia Z and waiting for it. It's much more solid built and I believe strongly in Sony , not to be the fanboy but ask around and everyone will tell you that LG will never be competion to Sony unless you want to spend less !!!

[Q] Question To The Developers About The RAM

When I look at the XSP device info, the ram size 766 mb even though the phone is 1 gb
compared with another 1 gb ram phone, in the device info it says 971 mb, so that results in about 200 mb free extra memory in the second phone
I searched a lot and couldn't find anything about this.
Is there a way to make the Xperia SP show 900+ mb?
before anyone says that its system reserved, how come the second phone has a much smaller reserved value?
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Second phone is Tengda T94 (chinese phone) the multitasking difference in the XSP cannot be compared to the T94, the T94 is so much better
its very frustrating to look around for a solution for a 1 gb ram phone! to get better multitasking!!! i feel like im looking for a solution for an entry android device. i love this phone i wish i can find a way to get better multitasking as its an important basic smartphone feature

I think its just bad ram management. My SP on CM10.2 works without problems
Shows about 841 mb (total)
Sony Software can't do this!
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I think its just bad ram management. My SP on CM10.2 works without problems
Shows about 841 mb (total)
Sony Software can't do this!
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Is there anyway I can do you think on the stock rom as I can't unlock my bootloader
everyone please guide us

tegr96 said:
Is there anyway I can do you think on the stock rom as I can't unlock my bootloader
everyone please guide us
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It is something to do with the kernel I think
Sent from my C5303 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

there is nothing u could do in stock ROM unless u greenify everything + remove every bloatwares
but theres nothing wrong with the running ram, just let it filled... android is different alot than PC, in android the RAM is used to be filled, its normal... i remember some XDA members said that "unused ram is a wasted ram"
MAYBE, sony intented to do that to limit the apps prosessing

im not a developer and i dont understand why the 2 phones i mentioned both 1 gb ram and 1 show quarter missing , can anyone at least explain to us why does such a thing exist, ive been looking everywhere online but i couldnt find an answer! is it really that hard to answer?
is there a solution to make the sp show 900+ mb in system info in antutu benchmark

tegr96;47670505 is it really that hard to answer?[/QUOTE said:
Yes it is
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well i found the answer, this 250 mb of ram that is hidden is reserved for the gpu as i read on some article.
and there could be a way to amend that a little bit through some kernel.
im now disappointed and thinking about replacing this phone as multitasking is very poor and its a basic feature of a smart phone.
its strange to see a chinese phone that is 110 usd faster with better multitasking and even the screen quality and gaming is better! why cant a top company like sony do something to give access to the 1 gb ram which is very needed for basic use

tegr96 said:
well i found the answer, this 250 mb of ram that is hidden is reserved for the gpu as i read on some article.
and there could be a way to amend that a little bit through some kernel.
im now disappointed and thinking about replacing this phone as multitasking is very poor and its a basic feature of a smart phone.
its strange to see a chinese phone that is 110 usd faster with better multitasking and even the screen quality and gaming is better! why cant a top company like sony do something to give access to the 1 gb ram which is very needed for basic use
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next time try to read everything you can and sort out all your questions BEFORE buying something, helped me before XD

tegr96 said:
im not a developer and i dont understand why the 2 phones i mentioned both 1 gb ram and 1 show quarter missing , can anyone at least explain to us why does such a thing exist, ive been looking everywhere online but i couldnt find an answer! is it really that hard to answer?
is there a solution to make the sp show 900+ mb in system info in antutu benchmark
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
don't think more Ram will get you faster, new chips it is ..( bigger Cpu Cache, bigger GPU, Dual channel memory )
sony need those 200mb for gpu, because it's a multimedia hd phone and gaming phone ( 320 gpu like xz :fingers-crossed: )...so you get hd movie recorder , hd games, even you can trow this to hd tv ...
i have this $200 chinnese quadcore with msm8225 , 203 gpu,1Gb ram ... and i believe xsp faster than this chinnese quadcore
and this phone don't have NFC, can't play full hd movie, lags on hd games, can't record full hd movie, no os update, and the list will go on ...
antutu about 13k on this chip, on quadcore mediatek chip about 16k, xsp about 21k ... you tell me who is the fastest ...
so, don't bother what is show on bench, user experience is...:laugh:

tegr96 said:
well i found the answer, this 250 mb of ram that is hidden is reserved for the gpu as i read on some article.
and there could be a way to amend that a little bit through some kernel.
im now disappointed and thinking about replacing this phone as multitasking is very poor and its a basic feature of a smart phone.
its strange to see a chinese phone that is 110 usd faster with better multitasking and even the screen quality and gaming is better! why cant a top company like sony do something to give access to the 1 gb ram which is very needed for basic use
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Please no more chinese phone jokes,
unless you found one with a Snapdragon 600/800 etc, the GPU performance is in those 110 USD chinese "Super phones" is very poor.
Not even comparable to the Adreno 225 let alone 320.
regards

Haha,my friend has a sgs4 and that has 2gb ram and 1.81 user accesible.At times his phone has 700-900 mb free...so dont complain

Phone is very good.And i honestly believe that another 100-150 MB of ram wouldnt make any difference...They would in my previous xperia X8 which had 27MB free ram all the time...But when you have 350+ free as i do now, being 500 wont change a thing.
With 250 EUR i got a phone with almost the performance of xpZ (yeah cause of 720 screen but its ok for me ) that wont slow down on everything you throw at it.So dont complain about the little missing RAM which as said is not wasted but is being used but for the GPU.:good:

Little expert Help!

First greeting to everyone  !
This may not be a problem but I have to ask because it is a very mixed emotions regarding software upgrades on Sony Xperia Z namely what it is.
I currently have on my Xperia Z stock software J.B 4.1 my qestion and care is next:
If I'm update my phone to KitKat 4.4
How mutch ram memory using KitKat is it use more or less ram memory from J.B refers to
the normal operation of the phone?
(now under J.B my phone spending 1GB of ram i hope KitKat using less ram)!
And second question is refers to the heating device if heated more or less playing or working?(now my phone have solid heat when im gaming and not eny heat when i working browzing and other stuff)
Now that you know about what is dilema and would any help welcome 
I hope that some of you have already upgraded the software on Xperia Z and I can say firsthand some professional things about my questions!
Thanks in advice 

And here we go again... What is people's obsession with having oodles of free ram....?
Also, this should probably be in Q&A section.

technaudio said:
And here we go again... What is people's obsession with having oodles of free ram....?
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if You do not know what you'll say do not say anything!
My qestion is totaly valid so better if you write something clever and specific than writing criticism!!!
technaudio said:
Also, this should probably be in Q&A section.
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Admin move post to right section!

King salac said:
First greeting to everyone  !
This may not be a problem but I have to ask because it is a very mixed emotions regarding software upgrades on Sony Xperia Z namely what it is.
I currently have on my Xperia Z stock software J.B 4.1 my qestion and care is next:
If I'm update my phone to KitKat 4.4
How mutch ram memory using KitKat is it use more or less ram memory from J.B refers to
the normal operation of the phone?
(now under J.B my phone spending 1GB of ram i hope KitKat using less ram)!
And second question is refers to the heating device if heated more or less playing or working?(now my phone have solid heat when im gaming and not eny heat when i working browzing and other stuff)
Now that you know about what is dilema and would any help welcome 
I hope that some of you have already upgraded the software on Xperia Z and I can say firsthand some professional things about my questions!
Thanks in advice 
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Calm down bro
resource wise KK is lighter than JB (in vanilla android atleast)
Ram usage will depend on what applications are running in the background
The reason why your phone is heating up while gaming is because it will put strain on both CPU and GPU, it will be the same if you use KK also
Many people have issue with battery life in KK.

I actually find the ram usage on JB is less than KitKat and the device temperature is the same on all android version for me
Tapatalk'ed from my Xperia™ Z (C6602) running Dirty Unicorns ROM!

androidtweaker1 said:
Calm down bro
resource wise KK is lighter than JB (in vanilla android atleast)
Ram usage will depend on what applications are running in the background
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Ok mate dont worry !
I dont use lot of app and standard stock sony but like i said what is usage of ram memory in standby on Kitkat versus J.B thats the real question!
Just to said when my phone is in standby app that are running the example look at the picture belov:
Example 1
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"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
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"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
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Example 2
Thats all app that working in my phone all the time about 10-12app More or less!
My question remain is kitkat stock sony lighter(as O.S) than J.B?
androidtweaker1 said:
The reason why your phone is heating up while gaming is because it will put strain on both CPU and GPU, it will be the same if you use KK also
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Ouu but i don't have no problem with the heating so I just wanted to find out whether the gaming under Kitkat heat more phon then gaming under J.B if anyone knows from personal experience!
Im gaming on my Xperia Z just fine and no excessive heating of phone !
androidtweaker1 said:
Many people have issue with battery life in KK.
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The batteru is fine I am satisfied with the length!

Can somevone please post a screenshot of running app in
K.K O.S like i did in J.B O.S
it would help me a lot

Free RAM is wasted RAM. There is no point in obsessing about how much free RAM you have at any one time, unless a poorly coded app has a memory leak or something. Android will automatically free some RAM if it's needed in normal usage.
There is no problem with the RAM management in the stock KitKat rom, so it's safe to upgrade.
Sent from my C6603 using Tapatalk

King salac said:
Can somevone please post a screenshot of running app in
K.K O.S like i did in J.B O.S
it would help me a lot
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I have 1.1 GB ram free

This is my typical free ram but my device is deodexed with lots of mods. plus the sony media apps updates and features are better which in turn make them bigger which takes more ram.

King salac said:
Ok mate dont worry !
I dont use lot of app and standard stock sony but like i said what is usage of ram memory in standby on Kitkat versus J.B thats the real question!
Just to said when my phone is in standby app that are running the example look at the picture belov:
Example 1
Example 2
Thats all app that working in my phone all the time about 10-12app More or less!
My question remain is kitkat stock sony lighter(as O.S) than J.B?
Ouu but i don't have no problem with the heating so I just wanted to find out whether the gaming under Kitkat heat more phon then gaming under J.B if anyone knows from personal experience!
Im gaming on my Xperia Z just fine and no excessive heating of phone !
The batteru is fine I am satisfied with the length!
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Rebooting your phone may help, 20 days without switching off...?

RE:
King salac said:
First greeting to everyone  !
This may not be a problem but I have to ask because it is a very mixed emotions regarding software upgrades on Sony Xperia Z namely what it is.
I currently have on my Xperia Z stock software J.B 4.1 my qestion and care is next:
If I'm update my phone to KitKat 4.4
How mutch ram memory using KitKat is it use more or less ram memory from J.B refers to
the normal operation of the phone?
(now under J.B my phone spending 1GB of ram i hope KitKat using less ram)!
And second question is refers to the heating device if heated more or less playing or working?(now my phone have solid heat when im gaming and not eny heat when i working browzing and other stuff)
Now that you know about what is dilema and would any help welcome 
I hope that some of you have already upgraded the software on Xperia Z and I can say firsthand some professional things about my questions!
Thanks in advice 
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Hi,
I have 1Gb of Free Ram on KK.
I think you must alteast update to 4.3 or 4.2.2 if you want to be on JB
as 4.2.2 provies bugs update and also better temp managemant which will reduce your heating.
and 4.3 provied better fast and smooth UI and less of lags and more free RAm.

For the god-knows-how-many-th time;
kingvortex said:
Free RAM is wasted RAM. There is no point in obsessing about how much free RAM you have at any one time, unless a poorly coded app has a memory leak or something. Android will automatically free some RAM if it's needed in normal usage.
There is no problem with the RAM management in the stock KitKat rom, so it's safe to upgrade.
Sent from my C6603 using Tapatalk
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technaudio said:
For the god-knows-how-many-th time;
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LOL. It seems many people are still ingrained in the old ways of Windows, where RAM management was awful and have a need to see a lot of free RAM when they check.
There is no need to ever check in a normally functioning Android/Linux OS. The only time I ever see how much RAM is in use is if I have to enter the "Apps" section of the settings for some other reason.
Sent from my C6603 using Tapatalk

itsmesam89 said:
Hi,
I have 1Gb of Free Ram on KK.
I think you must alteast update to 4.3 or 4.2.2 if you want to be on JB
as 4.2.2 provies bugs update and also better temp managemant which will reduce your heating.
and 4.3 provied better fast and smooth
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I have to 1Gb free ram like you see on example so no discussion about that ! I dont have any bug on JB 4.1 or heating problems like i said in previous post its working just fine!
But thanks on the info about free ram !
technaudio said:
For the god-knows-how-many-th time;
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i got my anserver so, sory about other peple interested too about free ram seams to me its a popular question
kingvortex said:
LOL. It seems many people are still ingrained in the old ways of Windows, where RAM management was awful and have a need to see a lot of free RAM when they check.
There is no need to ever check in a normally functioning Android/Linux OS. The only time I ever see how much RAM is in use is if I have to enter the "Apps" section of the settings for some other reason.
Sent from my C6603 using Tapatalk
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Ok i know that but i need a strait anserver just to be sure mate !
But thanks for the info anywau!
technaudio said:
Rebooting your phone may help, 20 days without switching off...?
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No need for that my phone running without a glitch
See picture below:
And i dont have feeling like i must to restart my phone for me restart is a last of last of last options so no need for that !
Anywau thanks to all I got my anservers now i know what i need to doo!
Maybe this post will hel some other people too !

androidtweaker1 said:
I have 1.1 GB ram free
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Me too
Dirty unicorns

[ROOT][Thermal Fix] FSC Thermal Mod

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Faster Smarter Cooler (FSC) .. A well balanced Snapdragon 810
Code:
** Your warranty is now not void.
**
** I am not responsible for bricked devices, dead SD cards, thermonuclear
** war, You take the full responsibility of your actions
**
Update July 31, 2018
This thread is marked as discontinued. This means that It won't be updated so don't bother asking and I will not publish any more posts here or contribute to the general discussion. However, I might add files from time to time if necessary.
How it works
The default thermal cooling mechanism on Sony flagships isn't very efficient. This MOD basically starts throttling the frequencies gradually at certain optimal temperatures allowing the device to cool-down faster while maintaning a good performance.
Main advantages
- Improved overall performance
- Less heat & faster cool down
- Maintain a consistent performance for extended periods of time
- Prolonged camera usage, video recording
- Suitable for daily usage & gaming
Compatibility
Code:
- Xperia Z3+ Z4 Z5 (All variants)
Downloads
[URL="https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/development/mod-fsc-1-0-dont-sacrifice-performance-t3670586"]https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/development/mod-fsc-1-0-dont-sacrifice-performance-t3670586
Performance Benchmarks (Attached below)
OUTDATED
I know It's a phone not a PC but it's an accurate way to see how well we can handle stress
The following tests are done at room temperature on Xperia Z5 E6653 using the following set-up :
- RR ROM
- Kernel by @zacharias.maladroit NovaCore_I.1_n_1_10_C_1_6_3
Two consecutive tests each time are done with no delay between for : Stock thermal engine, FSC, FSC+
More tests for stock ROM/KERNEL can be found HERE

Instructions
- Flash the zip
- Reboot and enjoy
Extras
- Use a more reliable kernel, for LOS,Carbon,RR,crDroid I recommend latest by @zacharias.maladroit
I highly recommend my LKT™ Mod .. very smooth and battery friendly on Z5
Telegram : https://t.me/FSC_XDA​

Thanks for your contribution to this community.
One question, why did u remove GPU control from emmc therm 0? This doesn't seem a very good idea to me, because from my testing it seems the GPU is generating the most heat.
I have made a thermal mod too, a while ago. Look it up, it's somewhere on XDA (too lazy to search, lol)
I'll keep an eye on this interesting project.
Regards.

langeveld024 said:
Thanks for your contribution to this community.
One question, why did u remove GPU control from emmc therm 0? This doesn't seem a very good idea to me, because from my testing it seems the GPU is generating the most heat.
I have made a thermal mod too, a while ago. Look it up, it's somewhere on XDA (too lazy to search, lol)
I'll keep an eye on this interesting project.
Regards.
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Thanks for passing by , I did not remove GPU control give [emmc_therm__2.DEFAULT] a look.
I kept values as close to stock .. Actually decreased frequencies from 630 to 510 in temp range 48900 - 53200
I kept them as close to stock because main focus is the cpu for current version
I'll see what I can do further with GPU tweaking in next versions
Just re-uploaded FSC+ and the stock restoration zip (fixed a small issue with the zip)
____________________________________________
EDIT : New version is up please re-download I'm certain everyone will love it .. enjoy
Now using a very friendly and balanced GPU scaling based on nexus 6p nougat thermal engine

Great job there, stock z5 is terrible in performance terms really so mods are apreciated. Thanks!!!
Gpu is responsible for overheting in my opinion allso, it surges in terms of heat when under load and then all throttles down cause of it.
I still managed to get somewhat similar results with settings that worked for me till now (disabled qualcom core control) modified thermal.config (not my work).
Staring temperature prior to test:
52 cpu. 56 gpu. 41,7 batt
Geek Bench 411
first run
1442 single core
3407 multi core
Second run
1361 single core
3270 multicore
3D MARK (very demanding test)
Slingshot extreme test start from cold device scored 1883
Slingshot extreme test imediate second run scored 1770
End temperature after tests:
59 cpu. 64 gpu. 46,2 batt
I use .5.11 rooted stock
---------- Post added at 01:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:56 AM ----------
Could be possible to contain gpu very low somehow so it does not produce excessive heat, so cpu can be maintained at higher frequ?
I use kernel aduitor but it seems i cannot control gpu temp. Like i would really like it to.

stipi69 said:
Great job there, stock z5 is terrible in performance terms really so mods are apreciated. Thanks!!!
Gpu is responsible for overheting in my opinion allso, it surges in terms of heat when under load and then all throttles down cause of it.
I still managed to get somewhat similar results with settings that worked for me till now (disabled qualcom core control) modified thermal.config (not my work).
Staring temperature prior to test:
52 cpu. 56 gpu. 41,7 batt
Geek Bench 411
first run
1442 single core
3407 multi core
Second run
1361 single core
3270 multicore
3D MARK (very demanding test)
Slingshot extreme test start from cold device scored 1883
Slingshot extreme test imediate second run scored 1770
End temperature after tests:
59 cpu. 64 gpu. 46,2 batt
I use .5.11 rooted stock
---------- Post added at 01:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:56 AM ----------
Could be possible to contain gpu very low somehow so it does not produce excessive heat, so cpu can be maintained at higher frequ?
I use kernel aduitor but it seems i cannot control gpu temp. Like i would really like it to.
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Please remember that this MOD IS NOT INTENDED FOR HARDCORE GAMING/CRUSHING PERFORMANCE LIMITS (even though can handle it) but rather to give more balance and satisfy everyone, here's is a quick 3D Mark test for both stock and FSC 1.1 (2 runs each)
Heat handling obviously improved since score dropped by less than- 100 point compared to -400 on default engine and all that time temperature always stayed below 42 unlike stock .. I'm not really into pushing the GPU since it's not that powerful and overheat fast but I'll see what I can do more for further optimization if needed .

Awesome mods, Seems very potential. I'm testing and will share my experience soon.
Thanks a bunch, mr. @korom42

Interesting... Would this mod work on non-stock rom (crDroid) ?

korom42 said:
Thanks for passing by , I did not remove GPU control give [emmc_therm__2.DEFAULT] a look.
I kept values as close to stock .. Actually decreased frequencies from 630 to 510 in temp range 48900 - 53200
I kept them as close to stock because main focus is the cpu for current version
I'll see what I can do further with GPU tweaking in next versions
Just re-uploaded FSC+ and the stock restoration zip (fixed a small issue with the zip)
____________________________________________
EDIT : New version is up please re-download I'm certain everyone will love it .. enjoy
Now using a very friendly and balanced GPU scaling based on nexus 6p nougat thermal engine
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I uploaded original file and my modified file (based on carbon ROM, but almost the same as stock Sony) to show u the changes I made.
Take a look and feel free to use the GPU values as a comparison.
Im getting very good results with these values.
Regards.

What to difference between [MOD] FSC Thermal Engine 1.1.zip with [MOD] FSC+Thermal Engine 1.1.zip file?

I'm keen to try this on my Moto X force/ space heater.
What exactly does this change? As it's been designed for the Sony I just want to know it's not likely to hard brick the device (soft brick is fine, I can reflash if it all goes wrong).
Thanks for developing this anyway

sirdoha said:
Awesome mods, Seems very potential. I'm testing and will share my experience soon.
Thanks a bunch, mr. @korom42
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Thanks for passing by .. glad to help, enjoy ..
nreuge said:
Interesting... Would this mod work on non-stock rom (crDroid) ?
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Yes it is compatible with all roms as mentioned above
langeveld024 said:
I uploaded original file and my modified file (based on carbon ROM, but almost the same as stock Sony) to show u the changes I made.
Take a look and feel free to use the GPU values as a comparison.
Im getting very good results with these values.
Regards.
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Click to collapse
Nice tweaks there thanks for sharing !
UriahNazarian said:
What to difference between [MOD] FSC Thermal Engine 1.1.zip with [MOD] FSC+Thermal Engine 1.1.zip file?
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Read the notes from 2nd post
c9701141 said:
I'm keen to try this on my Moto X force/ space heater.
What exactly does this change? As it's been designed for the Sony I just want to know it's not likely to hard brick the device (soft brick is fine, I can reflash if it all goes wrong).
Thanks for developing this anyway
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You can give it a try, just backup thermal-engine.conf file found in \system\etc.
FSC+ is recommended, to make sure that it's working open kernel auditor and look for unused frequencies history at the bottom for big you have find 1824 and 1958 (at least) and 1555Mhz (at least) for small cores, if not restore your original thermal-engine.conf because it's not working and share it here if you interested I may tweak a version for your device when I'm free .

Do I need to turn on these settings on EX kernel manager to take advantage of your mod?
Sent from my sumire_dsds using XDA Labs

korom42 said:
You can give it a try, just backup thermal-engine.conf file found in \system\etc.
FSC+ is recommended, to make sure that it's working open kernel auditor and look for unused frequencies history at the bottom for big you have find 1824 and 1958 (at least) and 1555Mhz (at least) for small cores, if not restore your original thermal-engine.conf because it's not working and share it here if you interested I may tweak a version for your device when I'm free .
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Thanks; I'll give it a go and feed back. It might be a few days until I get the opportunity.

Anybody tested this on Marshmallow?

Anyone tested camera after installing this mode? Looks buggy for me on stock 7.1.1 FW
Sent from my E6633 using Tapatalk

sry for asking that question, but how do you apply that mod? can you post a guide for that? ^^' i really want to try that mod, because of the heating problems

TrayK said:
sry for asking that question, but how do you apply that mod? can you post a guide for that? ^^' i really want to try that mod, because of the heating problems
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Flash it via TWRP recovery

shehabskull said:
Anyone tested camera after installing this mode? Looks buggy for me on stock 7.1.1 FW
Sent from my E6633 using Tapatalk
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tested on Xperia Z5 7.1.1, Camera feels laggy / stuttering, however great effort; heat is definitely controlled. hope we fix the camera issue also feels laggy if running multiple apps such as facebook, chrome, etc.

xperia z5 android 7.0.0
bleibt beim sony logo mit dem weißen bildschirm stehen.
leider kein erfolg, habe das handy mittlerweile 5 mal neu geflasht....
laut twrp erfolgreich, chache auch geleert, dann dead.